YTSEJAM Digest 4317
Today's Topics:
1) Hollow Years isn't commercial
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
2) I hope I'm subscribed now!
by "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
3) Re: Billy Cobham, Tribal Tech, Kevin Moore (NOT vs. Derek)
by "Karol and Prof. Miroel" <miroel@uol.com.br>
4) Re: Billy Cobham, Tribal Tech, Kevin Moore (NOT vs. Derek)
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
5) Re: MUSIC: the phantom menace!!!
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
6) Livetime AND a New Rock Mag in the UK
by NikBrooks@aol.com
7) Livetime AND a New Rock Mag in the UK
by NikBrooks@aol.com
8) ytsejam shirts
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
9) Rocking in the UK
by NikBrooks@aol.com
10) Rocking in the UK
by NikBrooks@aol.com
11) Anna Lee and Annabel Lee
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
12) CD selection matching the mood...
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
13) Enchant
by Richard Warren <rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com>
14) LIVEtime
by Portnoy420@aol.com
15) Once in a lifetime cover art...
by O-P Komonen <komoolli@econo.hamkk.fi>
16) Re: Awesome recordings! (Yngwie)
by "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:05:49 +0100
From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hollow Years isn't commercial
Message-ID: <006001bdefc1$bd52f8e0$1ab259c3@simon-s-pc>
Hi
Just thought I'd point out something I noticed the other day when
listening to FII. People have been saying that DT are going commercial
and all I can say is, No way. Take for example Hollow years which is the
most commercially acceptable track on FII (yet I always think that the
texture created by that song reminds me of Sting, probably due to the
use of the nylon guitar). The other day I stuck this song on and noticed
something that I hadn't noticed before.
During the chorus (first one especially) I had assumed (not having
properly listened to it) that it was a straight forward rock/pop drum
part i.e.. kick on 1+3 snare on 2+4 and quaver or 8th note hi-hat.
However it isn't it is in fact extremely cool and progressive, yet not
too complicated. Not only is it cool and progressive sounding it also
has a bit a classical based theory behind it (very prog), because the
kick drums is outlining the main accents of the military style snare
rolls that can be heard just before it (minus 1 accent I think) sort of
like repetition between instruments in an orchestra. It is for this
reason that I really like drummers like MP and a lot of jazz and fusion
drummers, because they treat the drums as an instrument and not a time
keeper. If people want a time keeper (which the pop industry seem to
want) to go bang bang bang bang, then they should buy a metronome.
Now I think that parts such as this which appear all through FII prove
that DT are the prog band that everybody loves (or should).
On a different note (perhaps C#), I just got a programme of the front of
Personal Computer World called Spinner Plus which acts as like a radio
on the net and plays music while you surf, I know thats not special but
what is, is that its got a progressive channel. I just used it and was
listening to Dixie Dregs, Lemeur Voice, Kansas, and Dream Theater. I
also tried the metal channel and got Queensryche (that song from last
action hero).
Simon Christie
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:08:22 -0700
From: "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I hope I'm subscribed now!
Message-ID: <000201bdefdb$1ec8e300$b40b73cf@oemcomputer>
I sent a subscription email last night, so I hope I'm on.
I just moved in July, so had to take a temporary break from the Dream
Theater email.
I understand that Once in a Lifetime is due out OCT 27, right? I CAN'T
WAIT!!!! I saw them in Fort Worth, and they were EXCELLENT live!!
Also, I ordered Shadow Gallery's new CD "Tyranny". Is this incredible or
what??!! I've listened to it a couple times, and it ROCKS and is a great
concept album. It seems like they're trying to portray a concept similar to
Operation: mindcrime. If anyone hasn't gotten this CD yet, then CHECK IT
OUT! It's awesome.
Hopefully this email posted.
Jon Case
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:22:14 -0300
From: "Karol and Prof. Miroel" <miroel@uol.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Billy Cobham, Tribal Tech, Kevin Moore (NOT vs. Derek)
Message-ID: <01bdefcc$4ab0a7a0$LocalHost@uol.com.br.uol.com.br>
Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:34:22 +0300, "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi> wrote:
>I'm under an impression that
>there is this record by Henderson and Willis with a title Tribal
>Tech and some albums by a band Tribal Tech, still with Henderson
and
>Willis. I'm not sure about this but you should find the right
>albums from Scott Henderson section (if your local record shop
has
>one, that is).
When I asked about TT here on the jam some time ago, some people
answered me and one of them even gave me a TT album (thanks
Brian!! :)! It's by Scott Henderson and TT and it's called
_Nomad_.
Really good music and awesome players!!! Willis is really one of
the best bassist I've ever heard (add to that list also Myung and
Tony Levin, of course).
But I dunno more about this. Don't know if Scott has always been
with TT or what... If anybody knows, please, mail me or the list!
And does anyone know some more bands of this same style that are
worth checking out?
Thanks,
Karol!
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:41:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Billy Cobham, Tribal Tech, Kevin Moore (NOT vs. Derek)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.03.9810041540490.1358-100000@panix2.panix.com>
On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Karol and Prof. Miroel wrote:
> When I asked about TT here on the jam some time ago, some people
> answered me and one of them even gave me a TT album (thanks
> Brian!! :)! It's by Scott Henderson and TT and it's called
> _Nomad_.
"Illicit" is a pretty cool one as well.
Jens. <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:48:11 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MUSIC: the phantom menace!!!
Message-ID: <199810041948.OAA08818@busprod.com>
>-matt:
>boy, i thought your post was going to be star wars related. :)
>in case anyone cares, the title of the new star wars prequel is 'the phantom
>menace'.
heh... I thought I heard a collective "he's gotta be kidding" from the star
wars followers when they announced that title!
>-Cyberduke:
>And than I received revelation from her: "You like music right? So it's
>just something you enjoy in it. You look at the painting and you love
>it, enjoy it, like it. Same feeling like while you're listening your
>fave music!"
ok.. here's an experiment... next time you visit an "art " gallery have
someone take a picture of your face as you look at one of those paintings
you just don't get. Then next time you play DT for some friend of yours take
out that picture close one eye and compare it to the look on their face. Now
think about the thoughts you were having when you made that face....
"What the F**k?"
Next best thing to being a "real" psychic!
>-Dave
>(drummer for BLIND DATE)
>P.S; I laughed when I read that Bruce stares at his CD
>collection- looking for music to take that matches his mood
>that day. I do the EXACT same thing! :)
And nothings worse than grabbing the wrong cd, getting halfway to work and
thinking "I should've grabbed the King's X.... Damn bastard cut me off...
the m++f++er..... I'll show him!!!... wait... cool song... "
here's an intersting quote from a Kevin Moore interview:
"I'm also very influenced by long car trips." -Kevin Moore
There's just something about driving around, alone with only your stereo and
a million other punks trying to make you crash and burn that drives the
human psyche?
_bruce
_bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:12:54 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Livetime AND a New Rock Mag in the UK
Message-ID: <6cc92e28.3617d6c6@aol.com>
Hi folks and welcome to the next episode of the Nikjam ;-)
Darth1@aol.com asked:
(1)> Puppies on Acid: Newbie question here... What album is this off of?
Never heard it before... Ive seen the name floating around everywhere... clue
me in please.
It is the introduction to THE MIRROR from DT's album AWAKE and they often play
it during their set (on the current tour anyway).
(2) > I cant wait to hear Lines In the Sand live!
It rocks! Preceded by Del-Boy Shenanigan's kb solo on Once in A Livetime
double live CD. He plays around with the main melody and shreds it up a bit.
(3) > LTE - State of Grace
My fave track from LTE at the moment.
ALSO, my 2p:
Dream Theater will be featured in the second issue of a new rock mag called
CLASSIC ROCK. The first issue is out now (by the same publishers as Metal
Hammer, ie., Dennis) and features G&R, Marillion, Thin Lizzy, Genesis etc.
Free CD on the front. Second issue will be out at the beginning of December.
If you have problems finding it at all, just email or phone the company
(Dennis Publishing) at the front of a Metal Hammer magazine.
Rock is dead ...................... long live Classic Rock!
(Actually it never went away. It was just subject to censorship by the music
press in this country, the UK, which is why I decided to make it my business
to change all that.)
Lots of love from
N
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:12:53 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Livetime AND a New Rock Mag in the UK
Message-ID: <13fa9c29.3617d6c5@aol.com>
Hi folks and welcome to the next episode of the Nikjam ;-)
Darth1@aol.com asked:
(1)> Puppies on Acid: Newbie question here... What album is this off of?
Never heard it before... Ive seen the name floating around everywhere... clue
me in please.
It is the introduction to THE MIRROR from DT's album AWAKE and they often play
it during their set (on the current tour anyway).
(2) > I cant wait to hear Lines In the Sand live!
It rocks! Preceded by Del-Boy Shenanigan's kb solo on Once in A Livetime
double live CD. He plays around with the main melody and shreds it up a bit.
(3) > LTE - State of Grace
My fave track from LTE at the moment.
ALSO, my 2p:
Dream Theater will be featured in the second issue of a new rock mag called
CLASSIC ROCK. The first issue is out now (by the same publishers as Metal
Hammer, ie., Dennis) and features G&R, Marillion, Thin Lizzy, Genesis etc.
Free CD on the front. Second issue will be out at the beginning of December.
If you have problems finding it at all, just email or phone the company
(Dennis Publishing) at the front of a Metal Hammer magazine.
Rock is dead ...................... long live Classic Rock!
(Actually it never went away. It was just subject to censorship by the music
press in this country, the UK, which is why I decided to make it my business
to change all that.)
Lots of love from
N
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:26:04 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ytsejam shirts
Message-ID: <3617D9DC.357AC6B7@bigfoot.com>
I was surprised to learn how many people didn't know there was a new
ytsejam shirt. I figure I'll make another mention of it now, for anyone
who missed my previous announcements. Sorry if you know all this
already:
There's a new ytsejam shirt. It costs $15 plus $3 for shipping, and is a
high-quality black shirt with a heart-print on the front and full image
on the back. Scans of the shirt are on my website, at
www.j51.com/~mrasiel. The only size left at this time is XL. Feel free
to e-mail me w/questions.
Thank you!
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop smart. Shop...S-mart."------------------------------
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:42:17 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rocking in the UK Message-ID: <99bf108a.361807d9@aol.com>
Welcome to today's second instalment of the Nikjam (smirk).
More on the new magazine which features some decent bands ..... at last!!
As we all know, Kerrang is now for 15 year olds and Metal Hammer is heading that way.
Classic Rock is edited by Jerry Ewing and Dave Ling. Derek Oliver (whose name you will find on various DT albums) is also a contributor. Tel 0171 631 1433, fax 0171 917 7655, e-mail production.oneshots@dennis.co.uk if you wish to suggest future bands to feature or find out when/where you can buy the magazine. There have been many bands mentioned and reviewed on the ytsejam and there must be many more out there who deserve press.
Other bands featured this month include Bruce Dickinson, Mott the Hoople, Deep Purple and Brian May.
Next issue, in addition to Dream Theater, featured bands are Black Sabbath, Rush, Journey, Kings X and more.
Two examples from the news section are the new UK album from John Wetton et al, the DT double live CD 'Once in a Livetime' and the Rush triple live CD, 'Different Stages'.
As far as the muso mags (Guitarist and Bassist) are concerned, interviews and transcriptions I have personally had published so far include:
Guitarist; John Petrucci (DT), Steve Howe (Yes), Reb Beach (Alice Cooper), Glenn Tipton (Priest), Paul Gilbert (additional text for the big article on him in Guitarist recently), Michael Schenker, Rick Nielsen (Cheap Trick),
Bassist; John Myung bassline transcription, Nibbs (Saxon), Maxine Petrucci (Vixen), Tom Petersson (CT) and Thin Lizzy/Limehouse Lizzy and there's more to come.
So now we can hopefully can start reading about bands we all know and love again in the UK instead of having to put up with the subversive censorship of the last few years .........
N
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:42:16 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rocking in the UK Message-ID: <3b58af09.361807d8@aol.com>
Welcome to today's second instalment of the Nikjam (smirk).
More on the new magazine which features some decent bands ..... at last!!
As we all know, Kerrang is now for 15 year olds and Metal Hammer is heading that way.
Classic Rock is edited by Jerry Ewing and Dave Ling. Derek Oliver (whose name you will find on various DT albums) is also a contributor. Tel 0171 631 1433, fax 0171 917 7655, e-mail production.oneshots@dennis.co.uk if you wish to suggest future bands to feature or find out when/where you can buy the magazine. There have been many bands mentioned and reviewed on the ytsejam and there must be many more out there who deserve press.
Other bands featured this month include Bruce Dickinson, Mott the Hoople, Deep Purple and Brian May.
Next issue, in addition to Dream Theater, featured bands are Black Sabbath, Rush, Journey, Kings X and more.
Two examples from the news section are the new UK album from John Wetton et al, the DT double live CD 'Once in a Livetime' and the Rush triple live CD, 'Different Stages'.
As far as the muso mags (Guitarist and Bassist) are concerned, interviews and transcriptions I have personally had published so far include:
Guitarist; John Petrucci (DT), Steve Howe (Yes), Reb Beach (Alice Cooper), Glenn Tipton (Priest), Paul Gilbert (additional text for the big article on him in Guitarist recently), Michael Schenker, Rick Nielsen (Cheap Trick),
Bassist; John Myung bassline transcription, Nibbs (Saxon), Maxine Petrucci (Vixen), Tom Petersson (CT) and Thin Lizzy/Limehouse Lizzy and there's more to come.
So now we can hopefully can start reading about bands we all know and love again in the UK instead of having to put up with the subversive censorship of the last few years .........
N
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:53:31 -0400 From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Anna Lee and Annabel Lee Message-ID: <000d01bdeff2$3180f160$efdeca98@rob>
Hey Jammers,
While we're on the "discusion" of how awsome Anna Lee is, I have one quick question. Is there any connection between Anna Lee and Edgar Allen Poe's Annabel Lee? Maybe a character symbolism or something. I love Poe's works (especially the Pit and the Pendullem) but haven't read Annabel Lee in a while and dont quite remember it. That would be cool if they or SX did something related to Poe's work.
=A0=A0=A0-Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com ICQ# 15762800 bassicrob@new-york.crosswinds.net DT MP3 Archive, Artwork, LTE Desktop theme, bass solos, and me http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:14:49 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CD selection matching the mood... Message-ID: <000001bdf005$ee3e3980$ad8c15cf@markphil>
Jam,
With the 6 CD changer in my car, I stare at my selection and change the discs about once a week (unless I get a new CD), so I usually select one type of every "mood" so I'm prepared for each mood I'll be in during the week. However, usually, I'll find I only listen to 1 or perhaps 2 of the 6 disc's during the week based on my prevailing mood. Since basically I'm only in my car to my school and back, I can't listen to really long songs (ie. ACOS, or anything above 10 minutes).
That's a little frusterating but what would be REALLY cool is to have a 100 or 124 disc changer for a car (I don't think they make them unfortunately) with a moble phone link to the internet CDDB database and a built in display on the dash board for selection... THAT WOULD BE COOL!...
Mark Philpot Music Creations Limited http://www.ccnet.com/~griphiam/musiccreations.htm
"In the Stream of Consciousness there is a river crying living comes much easier once we admit we're dying." -Dream Theater "Lines in the Sand"
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:12:28 -0500 From: Richard Warren <rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981004211225.006f75e8@mail.midsouth.rr.com>
I have just picked up 2 Enchant boot videos from '94. Does anyone have any other Enchant boot videos or audio? I have a ton of stuff to trade. You can see my list at the url below.
Later,
Richard
e-mail: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com www: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/rwarren
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:17:47 EDT From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LIVEtime Message-ID: <252d6646.3618567b@aol.com>
somebody seyz: (sorry, I didn't note who.....)
<<<And the stuff with DT's title of the live album: it's cool! Coping, cheating means, IMHO, somehting you take and try to hide, presenting it's your own. But in this case I see it as cool! DT KNOWS that everyone knows this is TH song title. So what's the big deal? It's cool title for live album.>>>>
Wasn't that Talking Heads tune called Once in a LIFEtime??? That is a common expression...NOT invented by David Byrne... I was playing on the word LIFE, and changed it to LIVE...
If I'm wrong, then call me a thief!!! But still check out the album (and even better...the video!)....
Mike Portnoy
PS - If this post possibly makes it to the Jam...It will be my 1st time in 5 or so posts....something is majorly wacky.......
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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:26:41 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <komoolli@econo.hamkk.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Once in a lifetime cover art... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981005122641.00943890@mail.surffi.net>
DON'T CLICK HERE unless you want to see the cover art for OIAL..
http://www.elektra.com/images/album/large/dream/075596230827.jpg
op777
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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 03:26:01 -0700 From: "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Awesome recordings! (Yngwie) Message-ID: <JFFKCEGPEOFPDAAA@mailcity.com>
>From: liquidrich@webtv.net >Subject: Awesome recordigs!
>For all the jammers who like good music check out the following: >Yngwie Malmsteen "Facing the Animal" > -this has Cozy Powell and Yngwie has never sounded so inspired. >Really fresh.
Cozy Powell... who cares? Yngwie always buys the best musicians available - he's had Barry Sparks, Shane Galaas, Jens Johansson, Mats Olausson, Barriemore Barlow and a pack of others. So what's so special with Cozy Powell, except that this was his last recording (?) ?
So, I guess you like "Facing the Animal", eh? I could just put another point of view, that I've listened to that as well, VERY carefully, in fact - and boy, it isn't worth the plastic it's been pressed upon!
I really despise my fellow countryman, for everything he stands for, both musically and by his image and style. Really fresh, yeah... now he's at last playing some other scale than harmonic E minor over a Em - C/E chord progression. He's actually playing both diminished scales and pentatonic ones! Fancy that! He's making progress here! And, whoa, the verse of track #3 goes in 7/8! But, it doesn't make the album in whole THE LEAST better!
Every f---ing Yngwie-song sounds just the same. Same idea, spinned over and over again. And the solos, they really suck. Well, he's fast (the fastest and most stabile guy I've heard...), but speed doesn't make that profound feeling and melody a good solo has (JP/Vai/Satch/Gilmour etc etc etc).
I guess these were two completely different opinions. If you consider buying FtA - listen to it. More than once. I find it really hard to believe that anybody can think good of FtA, no matter how many listens you have.
I dig neoclassical metal, and I used to like Yngwie. But no more. Not ever.
And please take note of that the only one I flame here is Yngwie.
O
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