YTSEJAM Digest 4324
Today's Topics:
1) Re: more on OiAl
by "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
2) Instructional videos
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
3) OiAl Bitchin' Already
by Graham John Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
4) Re: trivia on cdnow
by "Marcos Ot?vio" <motavio@geocities.com>
5) RES: YTSEJAM digest 4323
by AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
6) concert from hell (KX,GC,Division) review
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
7) concert review part 2
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
8) Re:Ytsesax/OiaL Release Date
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4323
by "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
10) King's X "Tape Head" review
by Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
11) STOPING THE Macedonia thread
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) DoE
by erodger@fore.com
13) Hello again / Swing / Savatage / FW / Apocolyptica
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
14) infamous/6:00
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
15) Re: infamous/6:00
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
16) Yngwie and Alexander
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
17) MP3
by Todd <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu>
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:17:22 -0300
From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: more on OiAl
Message-ID: <361CAD52.32359321@uol.com.br>
Carlos Alfaro wrote:
>
> um.. just listening to take away my pain with the sax player...
> i know this is just my opinion but.. one thing is the little sax solo on
> another day which i love.. but this is TOO MUCH.... i mean...the sax is
> all over the song....takes away from the original... i dont know..
> i just think its too much sax.. i know lots of people who already dont
> like TAMP ( me NOT being one of them ) will hate this version....
Well, at least the OiAL version is based on the demo version, which most
of the people seem to prefer, instead of the album 'latin' version... I
like them all, so I don't care much... :)
Cassiano
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:21:49 -0300
From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Instructional videos
Message-ID: <004101bdf1b5$1bc4d160$4e58d3c8@escritorio>
To Calvin6s & whoever may be interested in Angra's Kiko Loureiro
instructional video :
Contact me at gbressanjr@sti.com.br , and I can give you some reviews about
it and how to get it !
Ps. I think I have that Lynch video..
Gilberto
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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 03:31:32 +1000
From: Graham John Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: The Moanjam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: OiAl Bitchin' Already
Message-ID: <36126AF4.A9160003@sydney.net>
You know I half expected this, but the bitchin has started already
about the new live album, geez............and it isn't even out yet.
Some of you would bitch about winning a new car cos it was the wrong
colour or didn't have a CD player...........:)
But I guess I am just as bad, bitchin about bitchin :)
Now back to the real news.....
Graham
PS. For Sydney/Australian jammers Utopia Records here in Sydney have
some cool DT shirts, plus thousands of cds, including all the lastest
from Angra, Yngwie, Superior, Enchant and heaps more, email em at
rock@utopia.com.au
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:53:27 -0300
From: "Marcos Ot?vio" <motavio@geocities.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: trivia on cdnow
Message-ID: <01c701bdf277$98ec60a0$c448fea9@marcos>
i can't find the link to this game...can you give me the complete url?
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Trevor W. Hoit <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
Para: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Data: Quarta-feira, 7 de Outubro de 1998 07:37
Assunto: trivia on cdnow
>
>Hey everyone,
>Go play the trivia game on http://www.cdnow.com
>I won $50 credit!
>Trevor
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:54:03 -0300
From: AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RES: YTSEJAM digest 4323
Message-ID: <CB9A835262C6D1118B3B00805FEA2A719C404C@CORREIO>
Mike Bahr wrote:
>> In other news, there are two different "The Dance of
Eternity" boot CDs
>> out there.. one without the "The" if I recall right. One is
a single
>> disc show from Buffalo, and is OK in its own right. The
other is a
>> 2-disc set from the Limelight in New York City, and is the
>> highly-regarded boot of yore with the old ACOS and sampled
Eve on it.
>> Neither are particularly hard to find anymore.
Can you Mike (or anybody else), please, tell me where to find "The Dance
of Eternity" - original silvers, 2CD from the Limelight, NY?
Alexandro
Curitiba, Brazil
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:11:28 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: concert from hell (KX,GC,Division) review
Message-ID: <361CC810.297BEC73@trw.com>
I went to the Kings X, Galactic Cowboys, and Division show last night at
Jaxx in Springfield VA. It turned out to be a very very late night...
We get down there early to eat some pizza at the joint next door. Mike
and Matt from Division stop over and tell us that KX called from
Knoxville at 1pm that afternoon saying they are on the way. Well, that
is like 10 hours away. On weekends at Jaxx the headliner comes on at
midnight. Yesterday, KX was supposed to be on by 10pm. Division went on
at 8:30 with the whole stage empty except for their stuff as the bus
hadn't arrived yet. They did a decent set, with a few sound problems.
They played a lot of the new material from the new cd which they
released yesterday. (Buy this!) Well finally at around 10:30 I think the
bus arrived. So GC comes on at 11:30 and plays about an hour. They
played a few songs from the new disc. The new disc has quite a few
catchy songs which sound great live. For a band with a new drummer, they
sounded great. KX finally went on at 1:15 and played about 1 hour and 20
-25 minutes. For no sound check they sounded great. They played a mix of
songs from the new disc and their hits. The new songs sound killer so
the new album should be great. So I drive the hour+ to get home and go
to bed at 4am. I am way too wired to sleep so I try vainly and finally
sleep at approximately 5:30. I'm up at 7:30 to go to work.
Check out this tour if you can.
NP:Division-Ascension to Eternity
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:12:43 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: concert review part 2 Message-ID: <361CC85B.E1B32E2@trw.com>
Oh yeah I forgot that the KX show was sold out, so get your tickets in advance. The words of Jaxx's owner "a sell out is 300 we have 700+ here tonight"...
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:Ytsesax/OiaL Release Date Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.981008101152.7187A-100000@gs.bass.org>
In the last exciting installment of the ytsesoap opera, Carlos bemoaned: >TAMP <snip> sax player <snip> this is TOO MUCH.
Well, this has gotta be a first: someone complaining about too much sax. Usually, we guys can't get enough. Hehe.
BTW, for the newbies, Release day for OiaL is 27/10/98. Mark thy calendars now.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month:
The fight's begun; they've been released...
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:05:55 -0700 From: "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4323 Message-ID: <199810081458.JAA09195@wichita.fn.net>
> >. There > is no guitarist in the world that doesn't have emotion when they play. WE all > express it in own way.
Thanks for putting that out. Someone that agrees with me, but emotional playing is still to general. It's what kind of emotion the musician wants to express.
Thanks CJBass
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:11:10 +0200 From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: King's X "Tape Head" review Message-ID: <361CD60E.2A93@wxs.nl>
A review of King's X "Tape Head" is up at http://www.scriba.org/w3m3/trax/kx_th.htm
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:41:09 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: STOPING THE Macedonia thread Message-ID: <361CC0F5.5E7C45BC@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:47:29 +0200 > From: Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> > Subject: Macedonia (NO F*****G DTC) > > we shouldn't bring this thread to the ytsejam list. It's complety > out of topic, besides I think that political discasions are not allowed > here. Lets keep it to our own private inboxes. I think Dushko would > agree (by the way I don't have anythink against you ppl from FYROM, its > always the damn politicians).
I already discussed it privately with Asmodel and TRIED to cut it. So you guys are on your own. (Skadz, it's not me I sware! ;)
> And the rest of the Balkan don't get involved, it's non of you busines > (that goes for Victor and Matej).
Ha-ha!
> And by the way Alexander the Great was > indeed Greek, (historians says so)!!!!
It's correct that Alexander has nothing to do with us Macedonias BUT I also doubt he is Greek. He fighted against you! :)
> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:51:39 +0100 > From: Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si> > Subject: MACEDONIA and stop it... > > I have to back up Matej and Dushko. Macedonia was a republic in > Yugoslavia. I didn't even know Macedonia exitsts in Greece.And for > me it doesn't. Macedonia is a state, a former republic of Yugoslavia > that gained independence. > And if somebody is wondering I'm from Slovenia and don't Greece at all. > Flame on! > Sebastjan
Woohoo, brothers from former Yugoslavia uniting. :) So, any Croatian out there, Serbian maybe or Bosnian? ;)
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:39:05 +0200 (CEST) > From: "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> > > I promised the whole matter would end up there,most ppl in the list > are from the States and they dont care much about all this Balkan shit. > I've already talked with Dushko and,though we'll never agree-at least > on some topics- we respect each other,we dont need argueing.
I confirm this! :) EVEN Though we can't agree on some topics just because historians get corrupted by politics.
> But some slovenian guy pops in and speaks as if he's FYROM's (or > whatever its called,we call 'em Skopje,they call themselves > Macedonia,even Petrucciland sounds great to me!) advocate.
> Its more than obvious,you back up Dushko just becoz u once belonged > to the same country..
What's wrong with that? :)
> ps greetings to Dushko
Hi!
And last, please stop anoyne posting this to the jam! It's getting nervous, and we didn't even came to half of the lenght of Derek vs. Kevin thread! :) SO STOP IT! Damn, I posted simple line as a joke that goes: "X, I'm buying you dinner next time you come to Macedonia!" and all this thread started! :) I AM Macedonian, so I SAY TO YOU - stop it!
Appretiate all former YUs posts though, thanks, more on the attitude than the things you said!
-- Later, CyberDuke
Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:40:08 -0400 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DoE Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981008114008.00f13ba0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
> > In other news, there are two different "The Dance of Eternity" boot CDs >out there.. one without the "The" if I recall right. One is a single >disc show from Buffalo, and is OK in its own right. The other is a >2-disc set from the Limelight in New York City, and is the >highly-regarded boot of yore with the old ACOS and sampled Eve on it. >Neither are particularly hard to find anymore.
When did the Limelight 2 CD show become easily available again? A little while ago originals were trading for $100 or more, and were impossible to find from vendors. Just wondering if things have changed, or if this boot is still a gem. Also, what about Lost in the Sky? What's this one worth?
KAI
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:07:44 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hello again / Swing / Savatage / FW / Apocolyptica Message-ID: <361CE350.40A2D7EE@home.com>
Hello Y'ALL ;-)
Well, I'm back from an interesting trip to Houston, TX! (actually I got back a couple of days ago, but I'm lazy so......)
Yes, I managed to avoid; 1. Cowboy boots 2. Cowboy hats 3. Country music (though it's still better than the glut of rap that we have here in Detroit).
Didn't manage to avoid: Swing. While we were down there, two friends (of my friend who was getting married) took me to a swing club after the wedding. I NEVER thought that this might actually be cool...... but I'll be damned! It sure was! Aside from the (really good) live band we saw - Spies Like Us, in the car to/from we listened to some Royal Crown Revue, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, and Brian Setzer Orchestra. I went ahead and picked up "Big Bad Voodoo Daddy" when I got back to Detroit (if anybody's seen the rather funny movie "Swingers", this was the band in the movie). I have to say that this is a really cool disc, and any 'jammers who are looking to try something new might want to check it out (actually, I really think this would appeal to many of the more open minded jammers). Any of you already familiar with this stuff?
GOOD NEWS: I managed to score a couple of converts to DT when I was there.......
Here's something funny (small world kinda funny) for you Sava-fans: I played some Savatage for this friend of my friend down there (DWD, and TWoM). We were listening to TWoM (keep in mind I didn't meet this guy until just the day before.... and knew zero about him), and I was explaining the story concept to him. All of a sudden he's like "HOLY SHIT!" Remember the Maersk Dubai? This #&#&$%#* guy works for Maersk (don't worry..... he didn't throw anybody overboard)! He started there a little while ago, and some of the guys at work had just explained the whole insane story to him the other day!
I saw the new Fates Warning live CD "Still Life" yesterday at the store (I'll have to pick it up soon), and I'm a little surprised nobody has really posted any reviews or anything yet......... Cool cover on it, BTW.
I did pick up "Apocolyptica Plays Metallica By Four Cellos". My first impression: "EGADS! What the hell is this?!". After two or so listens I was starting to enjoy it though. I must say that some songs lend themselves more easily to the conversion than others. "Unforgiven" and "Master of Puppets" come across really well, whereas "Harvester of Sorrow" wasn't as good, for example.
Later,
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723)
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:13:12 PDT From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: infamous/6:00 Message-ID: <19981008161312.4743.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi oldtimers, I checked the FAQ twice but couldn't find the section where it explains why one of the shows where ACOS was performed years ago is known as an infamous show. Just because he changed the lines? I sort of curious about that. I got Charlie's video and it's ok, looks alittle like a Japan thing( in memory of Yngwie's first live video) and I am not sure if I'd like to share this insight of my youth with everybody on the street. But hey, what happened to John P.'s headbanging qualities on the road? He seems so relaxed, only on my last show in Duesseldorf 97 he was that kind of relaxed. Anyway, I am awaiting my copy of Static Progress today, whil another questions strucks me: the intro of 6:00, the drum fill.I am only a guitarist so I want to know if I hear correctly if I hear a group of 2 and then 4 groups of 3?
my rosebuds drowned today schnipp
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: infamous/6:00 Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.981008123622.10598A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Schnipp - wrote:
> > hi oldtimers, > I checked the FAQ twice but couldn't find the section where it explains > why one of the shows where ACOS was performed years ago is known as an > infamous show. Just because he changed the lines?
The Limelight 3/5/93 show (THE Dance of Eternity show) was infamous because it was the first time that ACoS was performed live in its entirety. It was very different than the album version and became a "cult classic" among DT fans at the time. It was also the catalyst behind the big Ytsejam petition that helped get ACoS recorded into the EP everyone knows and loves.
Plus, I believe that was the only show where Eve was performed with the samples....though there might be others...I think that may have been the first, if not the only.....
hope that helps, Al
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yngwie and Alexander Message-ID: <19981008164230.2233.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
Uroborosss@aol.com wrote:
> NeoClassical - music written > in the present but purposefully reminiscent of the classical period. To > say Yngwie Malmsteen "invented this style" is to say he deserves a medal of honor > for repeating a style of music that was popular a long time ago, and popular > for a long, long time. He's the closest thing I've ever heard to a "perfect" > guitar player, but was the style in existence before Yngwie?
Well, we're splitting hairs here now, aren't we? Let's just say that Yngwie MADE POPULAR a new style of PLAYING THE ELECTRIC GUITAR. Name it whatever you want.
Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> wrote:
> And by the way Alexander the Great was indeed Greek, (historians says so)!!!!
OK, let me clear this up for anyone who likes to argue ancient history and kill each other over it...
New archeological evidence has proven that Alexander the Great was actually from Madagascar. Studies show that he was 4 foot tall pygmy, and was very talented with a blow gun (which allowed him to rise to power). Because of this talent, he was sometimes called "Great". Over the years, confusion amoung translators lead to the belief that he might have been "Greek". Now his actual birthplace was a village in Madagascar called Maevetanana. Errors in the verbal history and subsequent translation have led some to believe that this was "Macedonia". Thanks to modern archeology, we can now put all of this arguing to rest. Alexander was not Greek or Macedonian. He was a little blow-gun toting pygmy.
And the current borders of countries in the "Balkan-Macedonian-Greek-Bulgarian" area have been found to have existed 1 million years ago. So legally, they should all stay right where they are... ;o)
my $.02, BH
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:45:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP3 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981008134350.23981A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
i have been having trouble downloading mp3s from certain places. when i download, it only downloads about 1/2 of the song and then stops. what the hell? i have downloaded other mp3s no problem. but for some reason when i try to download long island expressway, freeport jam, and other mp3s from the Rare DT recordings web page from the home page, shit happens. anyone know what the problem is and how i could fix it? thanks.
todd
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