YTSEJAM Digest 4332
Today's Topics:
1) Fates Warning - Dream Theater & Prince
by AL <al@isd.net>
2) more trash info
by "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
3) Been doing some thinking...
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
4) Nationality inheritance/acquiral (sp?) [was:Nationalities Etc.] [[NDTC]]
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
5) JLB on Tyranny
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4331
by AyameYuki@aol.com
7) Iron Maiden
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
8) Re: JLB on Tyranny
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
9) Re: Tool, and stuff that's sure to get me flamed
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
10) Re: JLB on Tyranny
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
11) Tyranny
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
12) Re: Tool serious NDTC
by META SECTION <meta@dreamt.org>
13) re:Nationalities
by Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr>
14) Re: Iron Maiden
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) d'Oh
by NikBrooks@aol.com
16) DT Nationalities
by NikBrooks@aol.com
17) $1.13 for the new live DT at CDNOW!!!
by "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:23:50 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fates Warning - Dream Theater & Prince
Message-ID: <362202E6.C04B8129@isd.net>
That subject should get your attention...
Someone asked:
Q- Why hasn't anyone said anything about Still Life?
A- Because those of us that have it are still in shock.
Fates Warning's "Still Life" is a must have for all Fates fans.
The recording is great. (a little hot on the high end) The performance
is first rate. If I went into a full review, I would start babbling like a 16 year
old school girl who's describing her "new" boyfriend. Get this disk!!!
If OiAL is anywhere near this good, I'm going to lock myself in the basement
and play it until the Police (Law enforcement, not the band) drag me away kicking
and screaming. The charges: Public nudity, providing an attractive nuisance, loud
music, Failure to yield to an emergency vehicle, (don't ask) possession of a controlled
substance (the CD's) and... Displaying an unauthorized sign in a public place.
(Dream Theater Rules!) The public place you ask??? Remember, I live in Minnesota.
Can you say "Mall of America?" I may even post one on Prince's front lawn.
You know him, he's the dude that uses a funky symbol to replace a lame stage
name. A.K.A. Roger Nelson. I call him: SQN (Don't ask) Oh, why not..
SKINNY
QUEER
--NELSON!
Fooled ya, didn't I?
Sorry if I offended any pole puffers ;o) -- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh" --Sam Kinison
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:45:26 +0200 (CEST) From: "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: more trash info Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981012154244.15743C-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
for those who care: I've heard Myung is chinese,not korean but i cant confirm that. As about Derek,he's half armenian,half greek (yeah his parents live here in greece! u dont wanna know where exactly,the names'd scare you off :) )
asmodel
ps Anathema's Alternative 4 kicks butt!
______________________________________ In just a moment your life can slip away Wasting time by wasting chances When all that's left here is emptiness and hope It's always darkest before the dawn will show.. __________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:49:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Been doing some thinking... Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981012094742.37742B-100000@archa8.cc.uga.edu>
..and I've come to the conclusion that Angra's Firworks is one of the best albums I've ever heard. Not only in the powermetal genre, but one of the best, period.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Angra--Fireworks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
"Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God." -Joe DeAngelo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:59:25 -0300 (GMT+3) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nationality inheritance/acquiral (sp?) [was:Nationalities Etc.] [[NDTC]] Message-ID: <199810121359.KAA31559@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:35:11 EDT >From: Uroborosss@aol.com >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Nationalities Etc. >Message-ID: <e272cb63.3621a31f@aol.com> > >> From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net> >> Subject: nationalities of DT members >> >> Shut up. >> They were all born in the USA, they're American. > >So if a German couple spends a year in France and has a child there, the child >is French and not German? Because it was born in France? Its parents both
Actually, this depends on the country. There are two basic rules for getting a nationality:
1) "ius solis" - you are -say- chilean if you were born in Chilean territory. 2) "ius sanguinis" - you are chilean if your father and/or mother is chilean.
Not every country applies both rules. Per instance, Chile (and USA, too) apply both. Most european countries (including France and Spain) apply only 2). Argentina applies only 1).
This leads to things like this:
a) my father is chilean, I'm born in Spain ==> I'm chilean, not spanish (ius sanguinis for Chilean nationality, no ius solis for spanish).
b) my father is spanish, I'm born in the USA ==> I'm both spanish AND american (ius sanguinis for the first, ius solis for the second).
c) my father is argentinian, I'm born in France ==> I have *no* nationality (no ius sanguinis in Argentina, no ius solis in France).
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:07:38 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: JLB on Tyranny Message-ID: <36220D2A.453A1936@trw.com>
I haven't seen much talk about it on here, but does anyone else think JLB sounds great on his short verse on I Believe from Shadow Gallery's new one-Tyranny?
BTW-this cd gets better and better every listen...
NP:Shadow Gallery-Tyranny -- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | |----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:20:44 EDT From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4331 Message-ID: <463e056.3622103c@aol.com>
hey everybody. i just got FFI. I took a look at Awake...and im just wondering...how do you get THAT much stamina to play for like 10 minutes ? (well...i cant say much, my band plays Sweet Home Alabama and some other DT songs ( we suck as of now ) ) anyways,
i can totally relate to You Not Me,Just Let Me Breathe,and Hollow Years. that should have been the order ( its just like high school for me ( im a freshman...this year will suck as it already does ) its a pain in the ass.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:39:15 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Iron Maiden Message-ID: <36221493.F92DD855@home.com>
Hello all.
Well, thanks to the Ytsejam I finally lost my Operation:Mindcrime-virginity a month or two ago (can't believe it took this long for me to get O:M!). Also recently got my first Vai CD, PaW.
Now it seems like it's time (ok, ok....long overdue) for me to check out Iron Maiden. I'm always hearing about these guys on the 'jam, but I've never heard any of their stuff, with the exception of "Can I Play With Madness" (I think), and I've seen the video for "Hell is From Here to Eternity" (or something like that).
Here's my first question: The last few times I've checked the stores for them, I can't find ANY of their CD's except for Virtual XI, X-Factor, and I think one other one (and I'm not referring to ONE store...... more like 5 or so). I did hear something about re-issues, or re-masters or something, is this the reason I can't find their discs? Also, if this is the case, when do the new ones come out (been two weeks or so since I checked)?
OK, here's Q #2: What CD should I start with? It doesn't necessarily have to be their BEST CD (I'd almost rather work my way TO the best stuff, than listen to the best CD or two - then be disappointed by the rest). For example: I might like Load/Reload if I'd never heard Master of Puppets, Lightning, Justice, or TBA. I'm actually thinking about grabbing Virtual XI (for the reason I've stated above)- I've heard very bad reviews of it from the diehard/longtime Maiden fans, but some pretty decent reviews from the less hardcore fans. Plus it looks cool. ;-)
In advance I thank you kind sirs and ladies,
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:00:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JLB on Tyranny Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.981012095651.49828B-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
=09Can anybody compare (i couldnt find another word...) Tyranny to=20 Carved in Stone? Have SG gotten even better? I have the CiS cd, but i=20 dont play it very often because of the "cheesy" vocals (they sound kinda=20 cheesy to me). Anyway, i downloaded the Mystery song mp3 off Mosh=B4s site,= =20 and i liked it more than most of CiS. Not to mention the "cheeseless"=20 vocals on that one.
Mauricio
On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Pat Daugherty wrote:
>=20 > I haven't seen much talk about it on here, but does anyone else think > JLB sounds great on his short verse on I Believe from Shadow Gallery's > new one-Tyranny? >=20 > BTW-this cd gets better and better every listen... >=20 > NP:Shadow Gallery-Tyranny > --=20 > |----------------------------------------------------------------| > | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | > | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | > |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D| > | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | > |----------------------------------------------------------------| >=20
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:27:25 +0200 From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tool, and stuff that's sure to get me flamed Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981012172721.0068ac10@mail.muc.de>
Hi all,
>Also, everyone on this list should own Tool's aenima album. It's great! >It has a lot of prog influence, too. It just really kicks ass. Plus, >these guys can be really funny. In the title song about wanting the >world to end: "I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied. Learn to >swim." And I just found out, for anyone who cares, that track 10, which >sounds like a nazi speech or something, is actually a recipe for >poundcake.
I totally agree... go out and buy this album - now! Only one little correction: track 10 is called "Die Eier von Satan" which could be translated to "The balls/eggs of Satan", the german word "Eier" has both meanings. The lyrics (if you like) are actually a recipe for hash-cookies (oh my god this is illegal - I hope the feds aren't scanning the ytsejam...) which does not include any eggs at all. hence the "...und keine Eier!" part (check my .sig)
obDTC: I just got the new Shadow Gallery CD and it really rocks. Compared to Carved in Sand: I don't hear anything cheesy as someone mentioned and the production is way better! 9/10
read you - jerry :--)
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:40:21 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JLB on Tyranny Message-ID: <362222E5.7354D66C@netvision.net.il>
Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote: > > =09Can anybody compare (i couldnt find another word...) Tyranny to=20 > Carved in Stone? Have SG gotten even better? I have the CiS cd, but i=20 > dont play it very often because of the "cheesy" vocals (they sound kinda=20 > cheesy to me). Anyway, i downloaded the Mystery song mp3 off Mosh=B4s site,= > =20 > and i liked it more than most of CiS. Not to mention the "cheeseless"=20 > vocals on that one. > > Mauricio >
I've always found CiS to be a bit cheesy... you know, the complicated lyrics and the vocals... although the lyrics remaind somehow cheesy, Tyranny is definitely superior to CiS. The vocals are much stronger, the duets are impressive and the overall sound of the CD is excellent, comparing to CiS which sounded like it was recorded in someone's basement. This CD is one of 10 CDs i've purchased last week and it is one of the best.
The rest are:
Marillion - Clutching at Straws (which I like best) Fish - Sunsets on Empire Explorer's Club AoI, which I find inferior to LTE Magellan - Test of Wills - the weakest CD of all Return to Forever - the aniversery CD (double CD - the best of this amazing supergroup) Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy - also a favourite Angra - Angels Cry - not so good as I expected, and I can't listen to that Kate Bush song! Spock's Beard - Beware of Darkness & The Kindness of Strangers, of which I find BoD to be a bit better. Thoughts is a brilliant song!
The best surprise was indeed CaS. I've heard bad reviews of this CD, and my CD dealer, which is a huge fan (the store's called 'Fugazi') said it sucks. Surprisingly enough, it has rarely left my CD player, and I listen to it at least once a day since I bought it 2 weeks ago.
So, buy Tyranny, and if you are a Marillion fan and don't have CaS, get it!
Cheers,
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | ICQ #16353527 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------
In an infinite Universe, there's no such thing as "there's no such thing".
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:53:54 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tyranny Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1012155354-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
I have just got Shadow Gallery's "Tyranny". It's good, but when you get such an awesome singer as James LaBrie to do guest vocals, why the hell would you want to restrict him to 5 seconds (or thereabouts)?
Having said that, I love the male/female duet later on. Can anyone tell me more about this wonderful Laura Jaeger person?
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:58:41 -0400 From: META SECTION <meta@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tool serious NDTC Message-ID: <36222731.4C0495BA@dreamt.org>
I must concur that tool is one of the most innovative bands out today.Aenima is an unbelievable album that flows together like any prog "concept" album. I have a two corrections about what people said before.....................
1. Track 10 is not really a recipe for pound cake, it is a recipe for hash brownies. I have a close friend that is German and i had her write out a word for word translation and I don't think "hashish" is an ingrediant of poundcake.... =)
2. Aenima (track 13) is about calofornia falling into the ocean but more specifically it is based on the book "Lucifer's Hammer" by larry niven and Jerry Pournelle. I highly recommend this book cuz it is unbelievable. Actually dream works ripped off a bunch of parts from that book when they made "Deep Impact" and are now being sued by the authors.
Anyway, Tool is great, Check out the CD. I am a HUGE prog fan and this disc is in my ALL TIMME TOP 10 and when you have a CD collection of over 600 discs, it's hard to acheive that status. Thanks for reading -- Layne Lowery Guitarist / Composer
META SECTION http://members.xoom.com/METASECTION/
ICQ UIN: 3696719
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:08:01 +0200 From: Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re:Nationalities Message-ID: <36223770.384FE66A@cc.uoa.gr>
Hi there jammers
> Nationalities. When I first met Derek I asked him where he got his > hair. It's > very thick, and very black, and can only be Mediterranean or Middle > Eastern. > He said it was from the Greek side of his family. Derek may have been > lying,
A lot of discussion about Greece lately on the jam :) Well from what I remember, in an interview at the Greek Metal Hammer Derek said that he is really related to Greek, in what way I don't know but he said that he has relatives here.
Keep jamming Mike
______________________ mailto:mzahar@cc.uoa.gr
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:15:47 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Iron Maiden Message-ID: <004801bdf5fb$bfeb30a0$0201010a@chuck>
>OK, here's Q #2: What CD should I start with? It doesn't necessarily >have to be their BEST CD (I'd almost rather work my way TO the best >stuff, than listen to the best CD or two - then be disappointed by the >rest).
I think their most accessible CD is "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son." It was the most popular, and IMO, was their best effort. After that, I would pick Powerslave, Piece of Mind, and (yes, even) The X-Factor. Although I preferred Bruce D. in the band, Blaze is great if you don't sit there and ponder if Bruce could've done it better. (Two completely differently styled singers). Another good one for the beginner might be "Fear of the Dark." I know quite a few people who claim this as their fave.
Up the Irons! -- KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:18:26 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: d'Oh Message-ID: <6f2e013d.362239e2@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/12/98 6:09:45AM, you write:
> >Which spell checker do you use? Mine always comes up as "chocy-starfish." > >What's a chocy-starfish anyway? :) >-- >KorgamsatronX3, the new sex toy for women.
You're both WRONG!!!! Everyone knows it is spelt choccy!!!!!
Love
N
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:18:21 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Nationalities Message-ID: <cb898351.362239dd@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/12/98 6:09:45AM, you write:
>Shut up. >They were all born in the USA, they're American. > >(Skadz, feel free to kick me in the ass for this retarded short post.) > > >Jeremy Hyde - tempus@alliance.net >http://www.lainet.com/~tempus
Dr Jekyll I presume? ;-p
Sorry folks I just HAD to .................
hahahahahahahaha
N
Tempus Fugit, Carpe Diem!!!
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:31:18 -0700 From: "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <follwes@sc.llu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: $1.13 for the new live DT at CDNOW!!! Message-ID: <199810121731.KAA00819@sc.llu.edu>
Hey all, check out how LOW the price was for my advance copy of Once In A Livetime!
> Our records >show that you've ordered the following items: > >DREAM THEATER/ONCE IN A LIVETIME (CD) > >The total amount for order # 2196927 is $1.13.
I got a $10 discount for the quiz, there was also a %30 discount as it was on the cd. Plus, for some other reason I got another $10 credit. I have no idea why. But, hey, $1.13 for a fucking NEW DOUBLE LIVE DT CD is almost like CDNOW paying me to take it off their hands!! haha Beavis (Wes Foll) ++The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.
++The pessimist fears it is true.
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