YTSEJAM Digest 4333
Today's Topics:
1) European Online CD Stores
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
2) Re: Tool serious NDTC
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
3) ytseradio
by djhutch@siu.edu
4) UACM
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
5) Re: European Online CD Stores
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
6) Re: ytseradio
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
7) ELP Tribute
by NikBrooks@aol.com
8) DeLuca in Symphony X?
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
9) Bill Bruford
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
10) satch
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
11) re: Iron Maiden
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
12) Guest singers.
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
13) Voices influence
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
14) LTE Music Book?
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
15) Questions about Spocks Beard, and Empty Tremor
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
16) Re: Questions about Spocks Beard, and Empty Tremor
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
17) Help with other prog...
by Kerrbacca@aol.com
18) Tyranny and suff...
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4331
by "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:48:44 +0200
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: European Online CD Stores
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981012174844.006b3ab4@unet.univie.ac.at>
hey jammers...
does anyone know if there is a European online store cos i dont want to send
my cash to the US all the time (rather expensive, so it doesnt really pay to
order, since i'd have to pay the same as if i bought it in the store here).
i think theres some german jammers here so thanks for helping (and if there
should be an austrian jammer, contact me please, but i dont think this happens)
see ya
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download my ingenious demo at http://www.users.cloud9.net/~textral/dryheat.html
Dryheat (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:47:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Tool serious NDTC
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.981012124057.30606D-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Layne Lowery wrote:
|
|2. Aenima (track 13) is about calofornia falling into the ocean but
|more specifically it is based on the book "Lucifer's Hammer" by larry
|niven and Jerry Pournelle. I highly recommend this book cuz it is
it, along w/ the album as a whole, is also heavily influenced by the comedy
stylings of the late great Bill Hicks (one of his cds is call Arizona Bay,
re-released on Rykodisc).
find out more: http://toolshed.down.net (which seems to be down har-d-har
right now).
-- john jens + jjens@webzone.net + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:56:24 -0600 From: djhutch@siu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ytseradio Message-ID: <l03110703b247f2e5211e@[131.230.208.227]>
hi there. im kinda new to this whole ytsejammer thing and i was wondering what this whole ytseradio is about. what is it, where can i hear it, etc. any info would be greatly appreciated
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:26:34 EDT From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UACM Message-ID: <f099a619.362249da@aol.com>
Hey Mark,
Great new look on UACM.
Nikki
~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live -- J. Myung~~
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:37:00 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: European Online CD Stores Message-ID: <36224C4C.555C8876@pacbell.net>
Manuel wrote: > > hey jammers... > does anyone know if there is a European online store
You could try "CDnow Europe" at http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1450242330/pagename=/RP/CDN/mainmenu.html/lclst=1 (I know that's an ugly url, but it's really not through anyone's credit account).
You can use that link, or just go to the main CDnow page http://www.cdnow.com and click on the link that says "Shipping to Europe or the Middle East?"... it's on the left side near the top of the main page.
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl _________________________________________ THOUGHTS - The Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:38:09 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ytseradio Message-ID: <36224C91.19FFCC01@pacbell.net>
djhutch@siu.edu wrote: > > hi there. im kinda new to this whole ytsejammer thing and i was wondering > what this whole ytseradio is about. what is it, where can i hear it, etc. > any info would be greatly appreciated
Go to http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio for all the information.
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl _________________________________________ THOUGHTS - The Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:06:13 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ELP Tribute Message-ID: <b39ad909.36225325@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/12/98 2:31:15PM, you write:
> > The tracklisting and credits for the ELP tribute can be found on > Under A Cyber Moon (News And Information/Other Side Projects)... > According to Magna Carta, it's scheduled for release in February > 1999. > >
d'OH!!!!
So now we have to wait even LONGER for it ;-p
Anyhow, for those of you who don't have the net here is the full tracklist= ing (pinched from UACM of course):
Emerson Lake & Palmer Tribute (Full credits for Robert Berry are missing but will be added as soon as they come in)
Tocatta Trent Gardner - Arrangement and Keyboards Matt Guillory - lead synth solos Peter Banks - Lead Guitar Pat Mastelotto - Drums Wayne Gardner - Bass + R.Guitar =A0 Endless Enigma Trent Gardner - Arrangement, Vocals and Keyboards Geoff Downes - Lead Synth solo on outro Mike Portnoy - Drums Wayne Gardner - Bass + R. Guitar =A0 The Sheriff Trent Gardner - Arrangement, Keyboards, and vocal on outro Peter Banks - Lead Guitar Mike Portnoy - Drums John Wetton - Vocals Mark Robertson - Hammond Organ Wayne Gardner - Bass, R. Guitar and Acoustic guitar =A0 Bitches Crystal Trent Gardner - Arrangement and Keyboards Pat Mastelotto - Drums John Wetton - Vocals Igor Khoroshev - Piano solo Wayne Gardner - Bass + R. Guitar =A0 A Time And A Place Trent Gardner - Arrangement and Keyboards John Novello - Organ solo James LaBrie - Vocals Martin Barre - Lead Guitar Doane Perry - Drums Wayne Gardner - Bass + R. Guitar =A0 Hoedown Robert Berry - Bass Simon Phillips - Drums Jerry Goodman - Violin Marc Bonilla - Guitar Jordan Rudess - Keyboards =A0 Tarkus Robert Berry - Bass Simon Phillips - Drums Derek Sherinian - Keyboards James LaBrie - Vocals Marc Bonilla - Guitar =A0 Knife's Edge Robert Berry - Bass Simon Phillips - Drums Marc Bonilla - Guitar Glenn Hughes - Vocals Erik Norlander - Keyboards =A0 Karn Evil #9 Robert Berry - Bass, Guitar, Vocal Simon Phillips - Drums Mark Wood - Violin Jordan Rudess - Keyboards =A0 The Barbarian Robert Berry - Bass, Guitar? Simon Phillips - Drums Igor Khoroshev - Keyboards =A0 =A0 N
PS: For those who have not heard of Igor Khoroshev, he was playing kb on t= he Yes tour earlier this year
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:16:26 -0500 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DeLuca in Symphony X? Message-ID: <000e01bdf614$d34d9de0$46739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>Symphony X has a new bass player for four weeks now, Thomas Miller had to leave >the band because of health problems. I've seen them live a couple of days ago, >it was one of the best shows I've seen for a long time!! Incredible!! >The name of the new guy is Andy DeLuca (he's only 22 years old!!) and IMO he >fits well into the band. Apart from Symphony X he's working on a project with >two Cynic members.
ROFLMAO!!! Andy DeLuca?!? Hehehe... I know him pretty well... :) He's a fantastic bassist... he started as a full on metalhead like my friends and I. He was really into Metallica and Iron Maiden when he started out. He got into prog because of Rush and DT and stuff, though he hates everything after I&W. Spent about 2 years at Berklee, where he was nicknamed "Death Metal Andy" (he HATED this) because he was working on lots of Cynic, Cannibal Corpse, and Death tunes, etc. He's also (last time I heard him play) big on jazz. Been doing the Aebersold thing. He's pretty schooled... he was accepted to Miami, but I think he declined for money reasons. He's got perfect pitch, and has done the "6 hours a day, every day" practice regimen for about 7 years now (I think that's how long he's been playing bass). He's definitely a natural talent. He was the bassist in one of my high school bands, as well as someone I used to hang with up until this past summer when we got in a pretty huge fight which left him Greyhounding it back from Tampa (we made every attempt to contact him.) This dude can keep up with just about anyone on bass... he did the Racer X thing and the death metal thing. He was a big influence on me getting into jazz, as well as getting myself into a better practice schedule. He was working on a project with another temporary Berklee-ite named Santiago Dobles, who is a great guitarist (7 stringer). This project involves Sean Reinert of Cynic on drums and percussion, and probably a guest slot by Sean Malone on Stick (not a full member of the band, as he's just started his Fellowship at one of the Oregon Universities.) He also had 2 projects with Eric Rutan (Morbid Angel, etc) that I don't know what's up with. I guarantee you, DeLuca is AT LEAST as capable a bassist as Miller, in any technical aspect (you should hear him do his Wooten/Oteil stuff!) and probably moreso. I know he'd hate to have me talking about his playing, but since I think he hates me now anyways, that's life. I don't know how his writing is, because as long as I knew him, he only showed me like 2 of his own compositions (over about 5 years or so). BTW, I THINK he's 23, but I could be mistaken.
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:22:41 -0400 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bill Bruford Message-ID: <36225700.9AEF4818@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I figured I would share a bit of news with YtseJam from the King Crimson mailing list, Elephant Talk. I haven't seen this subject pop up at all here, but I figured some jammers would find it interesting. As of the present day, Bill Bruford is no longer a member of King Crimson. Why? Robert Fripp is an arrogant asshole (but he is still, IMHO, the greatest guitar player of all time.) Just figured I'd let you guys know!
~Chris
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:29:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: satch Message-ID: <19981012192913.21777.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
I was just curious to see if any of you guys are catching Satch when he comes to The state Theater in Minneapolis Nov 6th. Should be a good show.
later,
== John
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Iron Maiden Message-ID: <19981012200807.18533.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> wrote:
> Well, thanks to the Ytsejam I finally lost my > Operation:Mindcrime-virginity a month or two ago (can't believe it took > this long for me to get O:M!).
Oh no, you started with the best first!
> Now it seems like it's time (ok, ok....long overdue) for me to check out > Iron Maiden. > OK, here's Q #2: What CD should I start with? It doesn't necessarily > have to be their BEST CD (I'd almost rather work my way TO the best > stuff, than listen to the best CD or two - then be disappointed by the > rest).
I always thought that "Piece of Mind" was Iron Maiden's classic. Lots of great songs on that one. (With the exception of "Quest for Fire", which is the lyrical equivalent of Velveeta).
my $.02, BH
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:11:13 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guest singers. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981012131113.0088ac30@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
>I have just got Shadow Gallery's "Tyranny". It's good, but when you get >such an awesome singer as James LaBrie to do guest vocals, why the hell >would you want to restrict him to 5 seconds (or thereabouts)?
I just ordered Tyranny, so I will check that out later. But this is exactly what I thought when I received Superior's Younique and found that Andre Matos' only sang 10 or 20 seconds on the one of the songs toward the end. The guy absolutely rocks so you have to give him at least a little time. Maybe a chorus or something. Sure, you have to keep it within the realms of the band, but there are some badass singers out there.
If you get a badass jazz player in to play, you dont let him just play a background, you let him have a 5-10 minute solo.
Just my thoughts.
Jon
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:16:00 +0100 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Voices influence Message-ID: <000701bdf61d$3a8633c0$29b259c3@simon-s-pc>
Hi
I asked this question a while back but got no response.
In the FAQ it says that Voices was influenced by a book called "cultural revolution". Does anyone know who wrote this book and what it's about.
Simon Christie
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:32:35 +0100 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LTE Music Book? Message-ID: <000501bdf61d$390d4f60$29b259c3@simon-s-pc>
Hi
Does anyone know if there is / or will be a music book for LTE. If there is isn't then there should be!
Simon Christie
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:13:41 +0100 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Questions about Spocks Beard, and Empty Tremor Message-ID: <000601bdf61d$39bcc940$29b259c3@simon-s-pc>
Hi
Since a lot of you seem to listen to the two bands mentioned in the header I was wondering if you could help me. I am thinking of buying a new prog album and have listened to clips of both SB and ET. The question I have concerns vocals. The major stumbling point as far as I'm concerned with in a prog band are the vocals. This is probably because the first prog band I liked was DT and the vocals can't get much better than that, (please don't start a flame war about vocalists). I like the instrumental stuff that I have heard from SB's latest album especially The good don't last (I think thats the name) its got a really good classical feel to it. However the only track I've heard with vocals is Cakewalk on Easy street and I'm not too keen on the vocals. So my question about SB is are all the vocals like this or only that track and also is there more instrumental work than vocals.
The ET stuff from Apocolokyntosis sounds really good. The only let down is the vocals again. The vocalist sounds like He's a really good singer, great technique and all but the tone is a bit too top end for me. It reminds me a lot of the 80's. However the instrumental stuff is really good. So what is the rest of the album like? since it is hard to tell from such small clips.
Sorry if I sound picky but sometimes you can end up paying quite a lot for a CD because not many people listen to this kind of music.
Please email me privately as not to take up jamspace.
If anyone else is interested in what people say about these bands email me and I will forward the messages to you.
Thanks in advance.
Simon Christie
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:42:42 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Questions about Spocks Beard, and Empty Tremor Message-ID: <008401bdf620$e1863fa0$3a1110ac@viper.clemson.edu>
>The ET stuff from Apocolokyntosis sounds really good. The only let down >is the vocals again. The vocalist sounds like He's a really good singer, >great technique and all but the tone is a bit too top end for me. It
maybe when he goes through puberty his voice will lower. :) moo.
--
Dan McCormack (dmc@dreamt.org) http://www.clemson.edu/~demccor/
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:59:40 EDT From: Kerrbacca@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Help with other prog... Message-ID: <bca7a05a.36226dbc@aol.com>
I'm looking for advice on some of our other favorite prog bands. Specifially under the Magna Carta label. I'm wondering about World Trade, Royal Hunt, Cairo, and Altura. I have tried most of the other bands under that label, but don't necassarily like them all. I love Shadow Gallery and Magellan, like Lemur Voice, and could pass on Enchant and Tempest. If anyone is familiar enough to make some recommendations, I would really appreciate it. E-mail me privately, of course! :)
Thanks all! - 'Bacca
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:06:18 -0700 From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tyranny and suff... Message-ID: <BCEIHKBGINBHBAAA@my-dejanews.com>
>take I Mother Earth, for example. They are all >wonderful, very talented musicians, they let their >talent show, their music isn't just 3-chord pop >(some of it is pretty complex, actually) but they >definitely have a very modern sound. I listened to >a Shadow Gallery album and had to re-check the >publication date to make sure it wasn't from 1987.
Hey, no fair. Somebody stole my brain...
1) IME Rules. 'Scenery and Fish'. Get it.
2) Tyranny, taken by itself, is a really good album.
3) Here's where I start to lose it. I get Tyranny in the mail, and the first thing I see when I open it is the picture of the band. I think to myself, 'Gee, not a SINGLE guy looks any different than they did three or four years ago' and then I think 'SYMBOLISM'.
Sure enough, the music hasn't changed either, it's just lost some of its rougher edges and the production is much better. Does that mean I don't like the album?
No!
But does it mean if the next SG album is another 'variations on a theme' I'll rush right out and get it?
No!
I don't want 'Carved in Stone' Part III. I know it's unfair to compare bands, but let's take someone like, say, Dream Theater. Say what you want about the more commercial aspects of FII (I like them), I think a great many people would agree that 'Lines in the Sand' rules. Could you imagine LitS on Images & Words? No. Awake? Maybe, but that's stretching it. The truth is, Lits is Dream 'looser, funkier' Theater, and band far down the musical road from where they started. Where is SG's LitS?
Maybe I'm all wet. SG is obviously a band about incremental changes to their formula, not radical ones, and maybe I should just appreciate them for what they are. But dammit, I want music to surprise me a little, and with Tyranny, I knew EXACTLY what I was buying before I'd even listened to it. I don't know that that will work the third time around...
Mike
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:24:12 -0700 From: "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4331 Message-ID: <199810122217.RAA26314@wichita.fn.net>
Jim Shields--wrote-------- Let me end this by saying that I absolutely love everything prog > stands for: having musical integrity, actually practicing your instrument > to be a skilled player, not following musical formulas, etc. I just think > prog should progress a little bit more. > > > PS - I'd be very willing to hear some INTELLIGENT discussion about my > little rant here, but let's keep the flaming to a minimum. (Let's have a > little, though, 'cause flames are always fun to read) > > Hey man I'm note going to flame you cause that is tireing. I totally agree with you. I am really happy to see popular bands with a prog influence, etc Tool even though its small, they know what people want to hear but the still play the way they want. Most people say progressive muisic is ahead of its time. My God when is it going to be time, we've been saying this since the early 70's with bands like Genesis and Yes, but Yes was playing what people are interested in even though they were progressive. I think it is very possible to do. Bands, in order to make money, have to play what the general public wants to hear, sorry fellow jammers but most of our views are outside the general public. I really think DT did this on FII, (I'm going to get hanged) it is really a nonmusician friendly album (did you ever play metropolis for someone who likes top forty, they just don't get it). Alot of the songs on there have potential for radio play, if they want to make money and keep playing. Don't get me wrong I've liked everything they have done, my favorite album is I&W but I think they have become musically better, hey its to be expected. Sorry to get off they point but in reallity all music has to progress,and if progressive music does hey maybe it will get to the top forty(evil words)
Later CJBass
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