YTSEJAM Digest 4335
Today's Topics:
1) fritter pops
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
2) up da irons
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
3) one last one
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
4) Re: Petrucci's Speed Skills
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) CDNow Discount and Galactic Cowboys
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
6) Those damned motherfuckers.......(excuse my language, but this is serious)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
7) Tool/Dream Theater
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
8) Question 'bout playing MP3 (NDTC)
by "Dick" <dick_rascal@softhome.net>
9) Re:Iron Maiden
by Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4334
by Kyrre <Kyrre.Trohjell@hit.uib.no>
11) cdnow
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
12) CDNow quiz/discounts/paying way ????????
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
13) Re: MP in Poughkeepsie/Millbrook
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
14) Re:FII tab book (particularly ToT)
by "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
15) Re: CDNow Discount and Galactic Cowboys
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
16) Fates album poll...
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
17) Re: Question 'bout playing MP3 (NDTC)
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
18) Non-prog reviews and various bollocks
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:21:51 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: fritter pops
Message-ID: <19981013052151.19999.qmail@hotmail.com>
regarding citizenship
> 1) "ius solis" - you are -say- chilean if you were born in
> Chilean territory.
> 2) "ius sanguinis" - you are chilean if your father and/or mother
> is chilean.
and another determination, something that happens every four years or
so.......
3) are you good enough to play for the world cup team of the country you
were born? if not, pick the other parent's nationality
partha
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:27:15 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: jdeangelo@home.com
Subject: up da irons
Message-ID: <19981013052716.24668.qmail@hotmail.com>
About Iron maiden
Joe, depends on what your other tastes are.....and knowing at least one
of them to be Savatage, I would tell you to pick up early to mid-Bruce
Dickinson Iron Maiden......
meaning, albums like Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind and Powerslave
as starters.......would the rest of you concur with that 'tage
comparison?
those are my fave maiden albums, in reverse order, anyway.....
as for the enhanced discs, i saw them listed at CD Now, though i didn't
see if they were already released or if they were now only on
pre-order........
"Somewhere in time" and "7th son of a 7th son" are probably the most
prog-like Maiden albums, if any can be thusly described.....
the later stuff.....ummmm.....let's just say Adrian Smith left the band
after 7th son, and maiden suffered for his loss......imo, of
course......
partha
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:35:54 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: one last one
Message-ID: <19981013053554.20194.qmail@hotmail.com>
of course, with the vagaries of e-mail, this will probably show up on
the jam BEFORE the other two or three i just sent.....trust me, and you
know ou can, that i ain't the next dreamnday......
Initial thoughts on Tyranny
1) does it sound like Carved in Stone part II? musically, maybe,
although there are no annoying, and cloying acoustic interludes between
EVERY track.....
2) production is far better, i think.....i mean, something is far
better, because I am truly enjoying this CD, whereas Carved in Stone
remains #1 on my "Failures that I bought based on #ytsejam
recommendations" list (not that there are many, y'all just overhyped CiS
way too much)........they might have done well to beef up the guitar
parts a bit production-wise, still a little lacking for my tastes (and
Mosh's)
the vocal harmonies might be a bit cheesy, but hey, who cares, because
I'm enoying them....the piano/acoustic tracks, some of the weaker points
on CiS, are strengths here, especially that duet with Laura
Jaeger....I'm with Graham, any onfo about her might be appreciated......
about Labrie's contribution....anyone wanna give me a track time?
haven't heard it yet.....same goes for DC cooper's line/s
heard early buzz on tyranny saying that it sounded like they had been
listening to a bit of Savatage.....I don't really hear that influence
much, but there are bits and pieces in there that remind me of another
band that I am totally failing to come up with the name of right
now......so it'll have to wait........
partha
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:04:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Petrucci's Speed Skills
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981013015813.27374A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
> If he's really playing that, then I dub JP the fastest guitarist Ive
> ever heard.
Well, I have this to say about JP: The first time I REALLY noticed JP's
skills was in "Pull Me Under" (just before the chorus, each time), and I
was amazed even there, because I have never once heard anybody play at the
speed in which he does. As a matter of fact, I didn't think it was
possible for a person to pick a guitar string that fast at all. I
understand that Derek is there on the keyboards with him in a lot of that
song, especially on the fast phrases (at first I thought it was actual
harmony on the guitar, but then realized that it was keyboard), but that
is still some of the absolute most lickety-split guitar playing I've ever
heard. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if that guitar tablature book is
accurate, though.
On another note, this is my first post to the list (yay me), after having
read it for probably a week now. I hope to post more often.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:40:13 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CDNow Discount and Galactic Cowboys
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981012234013.008e0d40@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
>different people get different discounts. i for example got a $50 discount,
>and was able to get OiaL, 5YiaL, and a Death CD all for $6 including FedEx
>shipping :) moo.
Screw you. I only got a measly $5 discount. Still got Still Life for $11
though.
And I tried getting a second discount by just doing the quiz over again,
and it went through and gave me another $5 discount. I didnt actually go
through and all but order a CD to see if I would get it for real for a
second time, but it seems like a pretty glaring hole...I checked out the
rules and regulations, and it said that you can only have one per week, but
it still gave me a $5 discount the second time.
I have to say that Galactic Cowboys: At The End Of The Day is pretty
impressive. I really enjoy some of the vocal workand harmonies. I think
that is what makes this band. That and their variety. They play somewhat
mainstream stuff, but they always manage to add something to give a song a
catch.
When I say mainstream, I just mean not as complicated as DT. King's X is a
very good pick for a band similar to GC.
Later
Jon
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:49:51 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Those damned motherfuckers.......(excuse my language, but this is serious)
Message-ID: <3622F80E.5BD43052@home.com>
OK. I was listening to the radio the other day at work and I had on
97.1 Extreme Radio (formerly called K-Rock) here in Detroit. Now I
don't normally listen to the radio, but seeing as I was at work (and the
store had just closed) I figure I'll change the radio station from the
crappy top 40 station to some rock (granted this is crappy rock, but
it's still better than Top 40).
Alrighty, so I'm listening to the bullshit they're playing, and they
come on and say the phone # to call for requests. I think to myself
"that would be fantastic if they'd play some DT for me!" What the hell,
I pick up the phone and dial. After 8 or 10 rings, this guy comes on
and asks me my name, where I'm calling from, and what do I want to hear.
I figure I'll make it easy on the guy. I'm not going to be picky - I'll
settle for any song. Here's what transpired;
"Yeah, could you please play some Dream Theater for me? It doesn't
matter which song. Thanks!"
"No."
"Huh?"
"Sorry dude, we're not gonna play it."
"Really? Why not?"
"Too 80's man. Way too 80's......"
Does that just blow, or what?????? Bad enough DT doesn't get in regular
rotation...... but they won't even play it as a request! It's not like
I requested ACOS or LTL either, for God's sake!
Not to mention, obviously the guy is totally ignorant of DT, I mean DT's
first CD was '89, and their first fairly popular/recognized CD wasn't
until '92.......... so how HOW THE FUCK is that too 80's..........
Anyhow, if anybody cares to call the radio station and tell 'em what you
think (DETROIT jammers, step up here)
the # is (313) 298-9797
Oh, and KorgX3 - why don't you make up some nasty things to say about
the DJ's mom. ;-)
--- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:22:42 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tool/Dream Theater Message-ID: <36230DD2.53E6@goodnet.com>
Tool is what Dream Theater would have been had DT started ten years later.
-- - Mike Bahr - Wizard's Tower Gaming Center in Mesa, AZ (602-962-0151) - http://www.goodnet.com/~emerald/ - Magic, AD&D, SWCCG/STCCG and more! - Magic: the Gathering "Duelists' Convocation Level 2 Certified Judge" - d u r n i k@g o o d n e t.c o m - If it's nae Scottish,it's CRAP!
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:29:25 +0700 From: "Dick" <dick_rascal@softhome.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Question 'bout playing MP3 (NDTC) Message-ID: <000a01bdf687$71b754e0$03000004@buzz>
Hello there Jammer,
When I play MP3 with Winamp on window and I open/scroll another window, the sound always distorted. Can you tell me how to fix that problem?
Thanks, and sorry for NDTC....
Greetings from Indonesia....
Dick Indonesian Jammer
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:02:31 +0200 From: Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:Iron Maiden Message-ID: <36232537.A57FCB9@cc.uoa.gr>
Hi jammers Well Iron Maiden really remastered their first 12 CD or so (I think). Two of them are Live. These CDs not only have two or more bonus tracks but each of them has also at least two video clips of the period the albums where released. Here in Europe they are already released.
Joe DeAngelo asked "What CD should I start with?" I'd say start from the beginning, the classics IRON MAIDEN & KILLERS. But on the other hand maybe you should start with LIVE AFTER DEATH, one the best live recording in the history of Metal (not to say of the millennium). In that album you can understand why the metal genre owns everything to bands like Maiden, Saxon, etc. (NWOBHM), and besides its one of the best of Maiden (with Bruce on Vocals).
Be well and keep jamming Mike
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:05:59 +0100 From: Kyrre <Kyrre.Trohjell@hit.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4334 Message-ID: <36232604.BD506C7D@hit.uib.no>
Juli wrote:
> As an avid Maiden fan I suggest: >Killers (original singer Paul Di'Anno) >Number Of The Beast (Bruce Dickenson's first w/ Maiden) >Piece Of Mind >Powerslave
Nice choices! But don=B4t forget Somewhere in Time! =20
>these are my personal favorites in no paticular order. >All of these have been re-released on Castle Records and come with a bonus >disc of 2 cover songs.
Never mind that! They have released them *again*! This time as enhanced discs with videos and interviews! (For PC and MAC). Can=B4t wait to check them out!
Kyrre. =20
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:32:59 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: cdnow Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E646@ms.kallback.com>
cdnow has LTE and Shadow Gallery Tyranny for $11.19 and OiaL for $17.48. They currently have a $10 off special and the trivia game for $5-$50 off. I don't see how they make any money. The average price I've paid for all my orders has been under $10 each. :) FYI
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:01:31 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CDNow quiz/discounts/paying way ???????? Message-ID: <3623411B.D9549C38@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:53:49 -0500 (CDT) > From: "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> > Subject: Cheap CDnow OiaL > > How'd the guy on here get this for only a buck somethin? I took > the quiz and got a $5 discount, and the cd was 30% off-that > only came out to about $13.
Can someone PLEASE tell me the URL for the CDNow quiz? But no www.cdnow.com please, the EXACT URL!
Also, is it possible that the paying takes place when I receive the package???
Thanks! -- Later, CyberDuke
Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:09:34 +0700 From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MP in Poughkeepsie/Millbrook Message-ID: <3623510D.B01FC046@pacific.net.ph>
> From: AnalogGal@aol.com > Subject: Galactic Mike!!!!! > > Just wanted to tell you about the Mike Portnoy sighting at the King's > X/Galactic Cowboys show at The Chance in Poughkeepsie, NY on Saturday night.
Wow,
That's cool...I guess LTE2 sessions must be going on back in Millbrook again, what with MP in that corner of the world. (I don't know if anyone had mentioned where LTE2 was going down.)
-Rob
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:18:47 +0200 (CEST) From: "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:FII tab book (particularly ToT) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981013141055.12133B-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
I dont have that Tab book and I'm just a lousy guitarist,but I am pretty sure Petrucci CAN play quartets of 16ths at 216BPM. Why? Well,if you can play at 208-210 (and it sounds clean) then its really easy to play at 216 too,I'm not that good at guitar playing but long fragments of that etude really work..both at 208 and 216,sometimes even at 220..and -if i'm not mistaken- he plays another exercise on 3-note-per string patterns -some involve string skipping as well- at 186 BPM..that sounds much faster than 16ths at 216..get it? i just wonder if he can play 32ths at 400 BPM,i wouldnt be surprised if he actually can :) (doesnt need digital delay! ;-b)
one last thing,some guy asked about Iron Maiden's albums..they are all awesome (but No Prayer For the Dying and the 2 most recent ones) but he should really check out "The Number of the Beast" and Seventh son of a Seventh son"..
thanks, Asmodel
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:23:47 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CDNow Discount and Galactic Cowboys Message-ID: <001c01bdf6a4$575ddac0$3a1110ac@viper.clemson.edu>
>And I tried getting a second discount by just doing the quiz over again, >and it went through and gave me another $5 discount. I didnt actually go >through and all but order a CD to see if I would get it for real for a >second time, but it seems like a pretty glaring hole...I checked out the >rules and regulations, and it said that you can only have one per week, but >it still gave me a $5 discount the second time.
same here, once i had used the discount, it gave me another one ($5 this time), but once i had gotten that i couldn't get it again, so apparently if you order sumfin and use up the discount you can get another one... don't think this is how they meant it, must be a bug, but hey :) moo.
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:36:58 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates album poll... Message-ID: <3623496A.35426AEE@goodnet.com>
Now that Still Life has been out for a bit, time for a poll... Go to http://www.ivorygate.com/fw and vote for your favorite Fates album. Voting will stay open for a few more weeks, then I'll post the results (or you can just keep checking back at the website, if you are really curious)...
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:56:33 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Question 'bout playing MP3 (NDTC) Message-ID: <36234E01.5BF330B6@caribe.net>
Dick wrote:
> Hello there Jammer, > > When I play MP3 with Winamp on window and I open/scroll another window, the > sound always distorted. Can you tell me how to fix that problem? > > Thanks, and sorry for NDTC.... > > Greetings from Indonesia.... > > Dick > Indonesian Jammer
My guess is that, since the mp3's are CPU dependant... well... your cpu cant handle both .
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:13:41 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Non-prog reviews and various bollocks Message-ID: <01BDF6BC.10AAB770@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
here are two reviews of hard-to-get but very recommendable albums that my CD dealer finally managed to track down for me.
ATROX - Mesmerised
Take early Theatre Of Tragedy, early Celestial Season, early The 3rd And The Mortal (especially the female vocals and weird parts), add The Gathering and a dash of My Dying Bride and round everything off with a couple of acoustic tracks that didn't make the final cut of Ulver's album Kveldssanger and you've got this wonderful album by the Norwegian band ATROX. This album has it all - varied and contrasting vocal styles, atmosphere, doominess and darkness, competent musicianship, tantalizing songs. I'm not sure whether the band are still together or even when this album was released (96/97 I think). This is an almost perfect gothic/doom album that should please anybody who likes the bands mentioned above. Bug your CD dealers to find this gem. 10/10
ACRIMONY - Tumuli Shroomaroom
Another masterpiece is added to my rapidly-growing stoner/sludge/ doom section! Originally recorded back in 96, Peaceville released this little beauty in 97 to wide critical acclaim. This album proves that the Welsh are actually capable of doing more than playing rugby and shagging sheep. The strong and obvious influences of 70s bands like Black Sabbath and Hawkwind are combined with the massive, crushing heaviness of the 90s to give an album that is very trippy, almost hypnotic and simply cool. Fuzz, distortion and wahwah pedals abound. Seeing these guys live with Electric Wizard would be almost a dream come true (although I doubt if it would be possible to get both bands organized enough for all band members to be in the same place at the same time). Pass the mushrooms. 10/10
Buy Tool albums. Buy Bill Hicks albums. Listen to them carefully - you may learn something to your advantage. And why do so many people automatically assume that the track "Die Eier von Satan" is a sample of a speech by Hitler or something similar? That's like assuming every English sample is from the Gettysburg address. Perhaps I'm just getting more and more cynical as I get older.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: The Garden Of Delight - Paradise
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