YTSEJAM Digest 4338
Today's Topics:
1) Tool?
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
2) Re: Tool?
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
3) lateral processes
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
4) Re: Fantasy DT WHAT?
by "Marcos Ot?vio" <motavio@geocities.com>
5) Hey Drummers
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
6) Re: Hey Drummers
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
7) Re: partha
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
8) Re: Hey Drummers
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Bill Bruford
by "earthblind, starbound" <leper@mindspring.com>
10) Re: How I heard of DT
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
11) That crazed DJNo
by darkstar@netxpress.com
12) Radio Stations...
by Dominic Turcotte + Manon Grenier <doomman@total.net>
13) Re: Question 'bout playing MP3 (NDTC)
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
14) NDTC-Alex Skolnick question
by "Dave Boland" <hellstorm@hotmail.com>
15) Re: That crazed DJNo
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
16) Odd Times and Misc Guitar questions
by darkstar@netxpress.com
17) No Pain No Gain?
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
18) Re: Odd Time Signatures
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:13:44 EDT
From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tool?
Message-ID: <5f5e7e85.3623ecb8@aol.com>
<<Tool is what Dream Theater would have been had DT started ten years later.>>
Oh My !!!
Now that's some seriously controversial bait. :-) Who's going to bite
first?
_____Nikki______________________
~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~
~~I'm Learning to Live. --J. Myung~~
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Tool?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9810132048260.15106-100000@voyager.cris.com>
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 Nshsunsfan@aol.com wrote:
>
> <<Tool is what Dream Theater would have been had DT started ten years later.>>
>
> Oh My !!!
>
> Now that's some seriously controversial bait. :-) Who's going to bite
> first?
"Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden"
Or have we all forgotten about that song already?
/me waits for the newbies to start shouting "what the hell is that?!?!?!"
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:06:12 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: lateral processes
Message-ID: <19981014010612.5488.qmail@hotmail.com>
Lisnin to explorer's club right now, but left the liner
elsewhere.....didn't think Sherinian played on this disc at all? Or am I
forgetting something?
>
>I was looking at the liner notes for the Explorer's Club disc and it
>says Labrie and Petrucci as appearing courtesy of East/West. Derek is
>not listed at all. So is Derek an offical member or a hired hand?
>we could form a Jihad and murder the infidel swine.
~~~~~
Wonder if Brendt and the guys would let us borrow that stilleto they've
buried in the sand?
>To all those who have won more that $5 off at CDNow,
>Are you frequent shoppers there. Perhaps CDNow is reserving the
>higher prizes for those who have already shelled money over, or is it
>completely random who wins what?
I bought something from them last month, tyranny in fact, and i only got
5 bucks off from that quiz thing.....i'm thinking I'm gonna wait another
week, play again, and see if i can't score OiaL for free or
something......i wonder if it is possible, as it seems, to grab a new
discount every week?
>Actually, mine's not exactly strange, though I thought it was at the
>time. My sister's then-fiance played me "The Big Medley" one night,
Nice tale, Andrew.....but I have to ask......a "then-fiance"? did they
break up or get married? (or maybe get married and then break up?)
partha
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:46:41 -0300
From: "Marcos Ot?vio" <motavio@geocities.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fantasy DT WHAT?
Message-ID: <000201bdf717$eeec1640$abaefea9@marcos>
>WHAT? No LEARNING TO LIVE? VOICES? You have got to be kidding me!!!!
And
>only Ytsejam and BMS for Encore? Wow! Especially for a Fanty Set list,
you gotta think big!!/.......
the most great play list could be:
When Dream and day Unite (entirety)
Images And Words (entirety)
Awake (entirety)
A Change Of Seasons (entirety)
Falling Into Infinity (entirety)
or in another order....
uhu!!! this would be cool!!! hehehe! :)
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Marcos Otávio Fernandes
http://www.geocities.com/thetropics/1749
motavio@geocities.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:35:35 -0500
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hey Drummers
Message-ID: <01bdf712$f0e8c2e0$135099d1@default>
There's alot of drummers on the jam....Question-how are you dampining your
bass drum, or are you? I been using a pillow in each of my bass drums and it
works pretty good, but I'm thinking of switching over to Remo Muff'l Rings.
Is anyone using them, and if so do you like them?
Mike
Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:52:25 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Hey Drummers
Message-ID: <000e01bdf715$4ac1ca30$3a1110ac@viper.clemson.edu>
>There's alot of drummers on the jam....Question-how are you dampining your
>bass drum, or are you? I been using a pillow in each of my bass drums and
it
>works pretty good, but I'm thinking of switching over to Remo Muff'l
Rings.
>Is anyone using them, and if so do you like them?
i noticed this in some drummer's ad in a drum mag: twist up a t-shirt or a
towel and use masking tape or duct tape or whatever and tape it to the
junction where head meets shell at the bottom, on the head that you hit.
ykwim? it sounds different, i personally like the pillow touching both heads
but that's me, you might want more tone in the bass drums, in which case
this is a good alternative. moo.
--Dan McCormack (dmc@dreamt.org) http://www.clemson.edu/~demccor/
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: partha Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981013220507.26357A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
>>Actually, mine's not exactly strange, though I thought it was at the >>time. My sister's then-fiance played me "The Big Medley" one night, > >Nice tale, Andrew.....but I have to ask......a "then-fiance"? did they >break up or get married? (or maybe get married and then break up?) > >partha
Actually, he's still around, but they're not in the same kind of relationship. My sister broke up with him, but the rest of the family thinks they're going to get back together. I hope they do; he's a great guy.
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hey Drummers Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981013221159.26995A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
> There's alot of drummers on the jam....Question-how are you dampining > your bass drum, or are you? I been using a pillow in each of my bass > drums and it works pretty good, but I'm thinking of switching over to > Remo Muff'l Rings. Is anyone using them, and if so do you like them? > > Mike > Homewks@Sound.Net
Actually, I have a drummer friend who absolutely 100% swears by a little piece of equipment called an E-Q Pad. It's a pad that hooks to the batter side of a bass drum. What it does is this: when the drum gets hit by the beater, the pad gets dropped away from the head for a split second, then immediately smacks back onto the drum head to muffle it. It provides a premium sound, whether you're in a living room (which is where my friend practices) or in a full concert hall.
------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage! ------------------------------------------- "Friends are people who help you move. But REAL friend help you move BODIES." -------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:28:48 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <leper@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bill Bruford Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981013222848.007a9b00@pop.mindspring.com>
> >> I figured I would share a bit of news with YtseJam from the King Crimson >> mailing list, Elephant Talk. I haven't seen this subject pop up at all >> here, but I figured some jammers would find it interesting. As of the >> present day, Bill Bruford is no longer a member of King Crimson. Why? >> Robert Fripp is an arrogant asshole (but he is still, IMHO, the greatest >> guitar player of all time.) Just figured I'd let you guys know! > > Hey, Chris, please give us some details! I really can't believe >how this Bill Bruford can play like that. The man's a machine!
As of today (as far as Elephant Talk announces), Fripp is thinking of this. Nothing has been decided, and nothing is official.
To know why, go to the DGM website and see Fripp's own thoughts. I'm not sure of the address, but you can find a pointer to it on http://www.elephant-talk.com.
- "Maybe I'm paranoid, yeah, that's my problem. You almost have to be, when you look like me." -- Kevin Moore Against a Sickness: To the Female Double Principle God http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:34:06 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: How I heard of DT Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.02.9810140029400.24321-100000@catatau>
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> Until I got to college. I met my now-best friend, we hit it off, and > started discussing music one day. He told me about this great band he > liked to listen to called Dream Theater. It was at about that point that > I told him about this experience I'd had with The Big Medley (keeping in > mind I didn't know the name of the band nor did I know the title of the > song), and he exclaimed, "Oh my God! That's Dream Theater!" To which I > was absolutely amazed that it worked out as well as it did. Ever since > that day, when I first heard other DT music, I have been a fan.
You know, Andrew, yours gotta be among the be most interesting stories about how one got into Dream Theater... Really... Wow.
I wish some friend of mine (I mean close, local friend) introduced me to some band I end up really loving... I've actually got into many of the bands I'm into due to my own "research" or recommendations from people from Internet (and they say that the Internet isn't important in the lives of people -- if it's contributed to a person's culture, how can it be that bad?).
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:21:31 -0700 From: darkstar@netxpress.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: That crazed DJNo Message-ID: <362434DB.61B8@netxpress.com>
Quoted From Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> On Tuesday 13 oct.
> > I figure I'll make it easy on the guy. I'm not going to be picky - > I'll settle for any song. Here's what transpired; > > "Yeah, could you please play some Dream Theater for me? It doesn't > matter which song. Thanks!" > "No." > "Huh?" > "Sorry dude, we're not gonna play it." > "Really? Why not?" > "Too 80's man. Way too 80's......"
Ive been sitting here trying to think of a way to sum up all my thoughts. WEll here it is :That is whack to say the least. This guy makes Archie Bunker look like a regular Einstein!
> DT's first CD was '89
Exactly, where this guy..uh thing.. gets off saying that DT is too 80's i don't know. I'd be willing to bet he's never heard of DT at all. Radio stations are funny, one of my radio stations ( 99.5 Kiss, they play rock/alternative styles in san antonio)will hype a band they don't even play, like Grand Funk RailRoad (and if i remember right, Santana) in a 30 sec promo, but will only announce DT's appearance in the form of a 'this month coming to town' sound bites. Either way the San Antonio show rocked the house!!!
Where the **** did that radio station dig up a DJ like that?! Put this guy in the back, shuffling cd's and sorting mail. Oh well his job is prolly like most radio hosts that ive heard, that is to say that they make snappy remarks for quick sound bits to play for ratings.
This is my first post so i don't wanna go off on a blitzkreig (sp) and get banned :0 But i'd stack this guy and radio station in the 'flaming idiots' category, and try to enact a coup and make them play some tracks off of OiaL, particullarly when the band goes into Freebird and back into the song (for get which on, i think its TtT), (correct me if im wrong ive only heard about whats on the album but have yet to listen to it). and tell me that thats too 80's. In the show they played here in town they went into 'enter sandman' and back into TTT then later went into Freebird jam flawlessly, now how the hell that can be called 80's is beyond me.
Well ill stop writing a book and maybe my next post will be a Readers Digest form 8)
Till next time, take it easy Darkstar
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:14:55 -0500 From: Dominic Turcotte + Manon Grenier <doomman@total.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Radio Stations... Message-ID: <3624253F.897931D@total.net>
Hi all!
In the radio station line, I'm from Quebec city and there's only one station I can hear DT, but it's only in backgrounds while the animators are speaking!!! And they won't play them for whatever bad reason they could think of! How frustrasting!!
Later!
Doom the Fated
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:14:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Question 'bout playing MP3 (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.981013220229.12107A-100000@short-eared.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> I dunno... ive never had any problem with playing mp3's while > using/opening/scrolling other applications,...so there must be Cpu dependent
Well, this is straight from the Winamp FAQ:
III-2. Q: Why does Winamp skip when I scroll a window down in Netscape or Word, even though I have a P2-400?
A: Your video card is taking bus bandwidth from your soundcard, there is nothing that Winamp can do or could do.
And I have the same problem on my computer (especially with Netscape), though it's fast enough (P200) to decode MP3's without any problem. Maybe it depends on which applications you run.
Mark McEuen mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:22:41 PDT From: "Dave Boland" <hellstorm@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC-Alex Skolnick question Message-ID: <19981014032241.20868.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi, anyone have the Ytsejam which talks about how Alex Skolnick is looking for a web help? my roommate is interested, he just started doing it! please send it DIRECTLY to me, as to not clog the Ytsejam up unnecessarily! thanks, ja mats, dave boland
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:22:39 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: That crazed DJNo Message-ID: <001a01bdf721$e5987fc0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>it). and tell me that thats too 80's. In the show they played here in >town they went into 'enter sandman' and back into TTT then later went >into Freebird jam flawlessly, now how the hell that can be called 80's >is beyond me.
when was the black album released? '91. sounds recent but that was 7 years ago. i was in middle school. when was freebird recorded? i dunno an exact date but it's on my Sounds of the Seventies cd. i wouldnt use old songs as examples of how DT can't be called outdated :) moo.
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:55:02 -0700 From: darkstar@netxpress.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Odd Times and Misc Guitar questions Message-ID: <36243CB6.77C6@netxpress.com>
Hey fellow jammers! I need some help..
Could anyone give me a run down on how to count and treat odd time signatures? I think i have the jist of it, just don't know where to accent which beat(s). Secondly, I have been playing guitar for about 4 years now, and i have declined in my technical ability as a player, while at the same time growing melodicly (sp). i have a new guitar instructor (the other one went AWOL) and have learned a new way of approaching music and scales.
My theory is blurred between this new method (chordal) and the old(modal) approaches.I was thinking of just doing technical exercises and not worry about scales,keys, chords etc.. What im hoping to do is extiguish my memory of theory so i can rebuild using the new method and then moving on the modal stuff..Ive already learned C,G,D major scales over, now instead of it being in one movable position its in a series of 'blocks' that connect and allow me to go from C on 7th string to serveral octaves higher at 20th fret of the high E. Part of the reason i want to retrain my theory is that i just got a 7 string, and i would like to to some jazz baseline things as well as the harder stuff. Thats all for now! thanks in advance, Darkstar
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:12:13 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: No Pain No Gain? Message-ID: <000301bdf728$d27ea6b0$3a1110ac@viper.clemson.edu>
hey hey, a while back (this is quite a while back) someone did some sort of a "music that doesn't suck" kind of thing where every week or month or whatever he/she'd post 2 mp3s with descriptions and URLs to the jam... first of all i'd like to know who thsi was but besides that one month you posted this one song called No Pain No Gain which is sort of a jazz rap song... i wanna know who this is and stuff. please e-mail me, whoever it was. (wild koba? kirby? seems like it was a nick like that...) thanks. oh and what happenned to that thing? i enjoyed it quite a bit. moo.
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Dan McCormack (dmc@dreamt.org) http://www.clemson.edu/~demccor/
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Odd Time Signatures Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981014012510.8647A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Okay, this is how you should break up musical odd-time signatures (such as 5/8, 7/8, 15/8, etc.):
Beats like 5/8 and 7/8 are a little bit easier, but they all have the same fundamental breakup; every measure will break up into groups of 2 or 3 (sometimes the 2 is actually 4, but it depends). For example: 7/8 will almost invariably break up into one group of 4 and then a group of 3 or into one group of 3 and then a group of 4 (ONE two three FOUR five six seven, or ONE two three four FIVE six seven). 5/8 will almost invariably be broken up into one group of three and then a group of two or one group of two and then a group of three (ONE two THREE four five, ONE two three FOUR five).
If you're having trouble breaking odd time signatures up, just remember that.
--Straight from the mouth of a music major. :)
------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage! ------------------------------------------- "Friends are people who help you move. But REAL friend help you move BODIES." -------------------------------------------
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 darkstar@netxpress.com wrote:
> > Hey fellow jammers! > I need some help.. > > Could anyone give me a run down on how to count and treat odd time > signatures? I think i have the jist of it, just don't know where > to accent which beat(s). Secondly, I have been playing guitar for about > 4 years now, and i have declined in my technical ability as > a player, while at the same time growing melodicly (sp). i have a new > guitar instructor (the other one went AWOL) and have learned a new way > of approaching music and scales. > > My theory is blurred between this new method (chordal) and the > old(modal) approaches.I was thinking of just doing technical exercises > and not worry about scales,keys, chords etc.. What im hoping to do is > extiguish my memory of theory so i can rebuild using the new method and > then moving on the modal stuff..Ive already learned C,G,D major scales > over, now instead of it being in one movable position its in a series of > 'blocks' that connect and allow me to go from C on 7th string to > serveral octaves higher at 20th fret of the high E. Part of the reason i > want to retrain my theory is that i just got a 7 string, and i would > like to to some jazz baseline things as well as the harder stuff. > > Thats all for now! thanks in advance, > Darkstar > > -- darkstar@netxpress.com > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =- Black Holes are where God divided by zero -= > =- -Stephen Wright -= > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >
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