YTSEJAM Digest 4340
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Hey drummers
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
2) E-Q pads
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
3) Re: How did you hear of DT?
by "Anderson, Brian D" <BAnderson@sdms.usa.xerox.com>
4) Digitech 2120 Presets (NDTC)
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
5) 5 years in a livetime
by Michael Torres <lilmikey@creighton.edu>
6) CDNow Discounts
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
7) flamboyant MUSICVOX Spacerangers
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
8) NDTC: TSO & KC
by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mats_Rydstr=F6m?=" <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
9) Reminiscin' on my start w/ DT...
by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
10) Re: Echoed $10 CDNow discount
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
11) re: Too 80's - What does it mean?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
12) Re cdnow question
by "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
13) Recommendations for introduction to guitar
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
14) Re: Too 80's - What does it mean?
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
15) Re: Maiden
by schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry)
16) tool/DT
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
17) Re: odd time stuff
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
18) Re: How did you hear of DT?
by MentolPyro@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:31 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Hey drummers
Message-ID: <199810141808.LAA16483@odin.ax.com>
You know, over the years I've tried all kinds of shit for
dampening my kick drum. I tried muffle rings but,
unfortunately, they do exactly that, muffle. Not dampen.
Any attack I had gotten out of my kick was instantly
transformed into mush. Especially when playing with others,
The punch just gets lost. I used a pillow for a number of
years, but then on a lark, I stuffed my old Masters of
the Universe sleeping bag in there. This has been the
best solution I've come up with thus far. I haven't tried
non Masters of the Universe sleeping bags, so I'm not
sure if they'll work as well. :)
-an aural hand
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:38 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: E-Q pads
Message-ID: <199810141808.LAA16482@odin.ax.com>
My only problem with these things is that they work really
well only when you're playing fairly aggressively. Try
playing something (like...Take Five, for example) that
requires different intensities on the kick and the softer
notes get lost. I'm going to cruise home and try Dan's
twisted t-shirt method.
Two posts. Fuck yeah.
-an aural hand
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:44:09 -0400
From: "Anderson, Brian D" <BAnderson@sdms.usa.xerox.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: How did you hear of DT?
Message-ID: <201BB34B3A73D1118C1F00805F1582E88C2D23@x-wb-0128-nt8.wrc.xerox.com>
MaxArbot@aol.com said . . .
> Hey, I was just curious how everyone here initially heard of Dream
Theater. I
> can remember my first time (uh...). I'd like to hear everyone's stories
about
> their introduction to DT.
Might I politely suggest that everyone send these stories to him through
personal email. Seeing as how this thread has come up numerous times.
Unless of course, you have a real good, original story. (i.e. something
other than hearing PMU on the radio in '92). Just a suggestion.
Oh, and congratulations may be in order. JP's wife went into labor
yesterday. Hopefully everything worked out ok. This is causing some
problems with the recording of LTE2 . . . so stay tuned to Tony Levin's road
diary (http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm) . . . I'm sure he'll keep us
informed.
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:43:32 +0100
From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Digitech 2120 Presets (NDTC)
Message-ID: <000b01bdf7a2$aa9fbd80$2ab259c3@simon-s-pc>
Hi
I was wondering if any of the guitarists on here had the 2120 and would
be willing to tell me the parameters for some of the artist presets
since I have the 2112 and was interested in the presets but I don't want
to pay about =A3100 to get the upgrade chip.
Thanks
Simon Christie
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:52:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Michael Torres <lilmikey@creighton.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 5 years in a livetime
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.981014134930.11429A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>
well i've been away from the jam for a little bit and i was wondering if
it was known whether or not DT's new video would ever come out on DVD??
thanks
mike
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:59:35 -0700
From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CDNow Discounts
Message-ID: <ADAIEHOECNEACAAA@my-dejanews.com>
> I don't think the discount is just to the return
> shoppers, I've played twice, and both times I
> recieved the $5.00 discount. And I've spent
> well over 300 dollars at CDnow.
I don't think that was the question. Yeah, you're going to get something every time you 'play' the trivia thing, but if I'm someone who is continually raking CDNow over the coals (and I am) I'm wondering if I'll ever get more than the $5 discount. Having said that, the first time I played, I got $10 off, and the second time, I got $5. Think I'll get $5 off from here on out? I don't know...
P.S., I got the Hamm/Gambale/Smith album for a total of $7.98. It's a great album - more jazzy than I'm used to, but Gambale seems to mix it up a bit - one moment he sounds like he's still playing with Chick Corea and the next he sounds like Satch.
But I got it for Hamm anyway, who is great on it. Did any other Hamm fan notice that the extended solo in the middle of 'Wrong and Strong' is really one of the tunes from his second solo album 'Kings of Sleep'? THAT kind of honked me off, but I can forgive the guy since he's my favorite and if there was no Stu I'd have to become a huge Wooten fan, and as much as I like Victor, he's SO good that he sometimes wanders into wankerville. How's that for flamebait?
Mike
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:04:35 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: flamboyant MUSICVOX Spacerangers
Message-ID: <01BDF7B1.1AF86380@14.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:39:32 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mats_Rydstr=F6m?=" <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
To: "The Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDTC: TSO & KC
Message-ID: <008401bdf7aa$5f499240$3e25ed82@mats>
Yea'y'all!
Excuse my ignorance but what the hell is this great Trans Siberian =
Orchestra that I keep hearing about? I haven't really been able to put =
two and two together from the disparate posts I've read through the =
years. I usually do, though.
Another thing: I'm a big KC fan, but obtaining all the ProjeKCt??? =
albums will cost me, a lot... so I'm looking for suggestions from =
someone who has them all. At least I'll know where to start. What are =
they like compared to each other and previous KC material?
Grateful for any hints! Use private email if you want. Ppl in the =
Stockholm area of Sweden, tune into 95,3 MHz on Sat 17 Oct, 11-12 AM for =
PROG-O-RAMA!
/Mats
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:45:53 -0400
From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Reminiscin' on my start w/ DT...
Message-ID: <3624FF71.C792A9C6@bah.com>
Hmmm.... How I was turned on to Dream Theater...
OK, I was dating this girl about four and a half years ago and we were absolutely crazy about each other MOST of the time...the other half of the time she was either sucking up my free time (MAN'S PERSONAL TIME:== BITCH LEAVE ME ALONE - not to any female jammerz trying to understand the complex inner
workings of a man's psychi) or hitting on every other guy in sight. To make a long story short, I joined the Marine Corps and we broke up. The guy she rebounded onto looked/talked/acted/had comparable sense of humor to Bob Saggat. Eeeesh. 'Nuff sed.
Where does DT come in, you are wondering?
Well, after boot camp, we start talking and have all these happy wonderful feelings for each other and all that shit, so I come over and she's playing DT - who Bob Saggat introduced her to. I don't notice DT cuz I'm in the process of getting down her pants (female jammerz - this is male insight
#2...pussy takes preferrence over music any day.)
So Bob Saggat finds out and flips.
And the two get engaged like every other couple that gets pumped out of my college, and set a date. (logical thing to do after she cheats on you, huh?)
Enter DT. At this time, yer ol' pal Looeee is wondering how he can dazzle the socks off this chick and cause her to leave Bob for good. I pick up the DT CD that I vaguely recall hearing that night, a guitar, an amp, the tab to I&W, and decide to learn guitar and master every song on the album within
8 days - the day they were getting married.
I failed, they got married, and I was left with a crappy Yamaha guitar.
However....they are now miserable, I got a chick with WAY bigger bazoombas, and I got irreversibly hooked on DT as a result. Still haven't "mastered" even one of their songs (although others tell me I'm pretty damn good), but I have fun trying.
Life kicks ass.
Sorry to bore y'all.
-Looooooooeeeeeeeee
Corporal, Electrical Engineer, Consultant, Geeeetarist, and loather of "Full House".
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:05:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Echoed $10 CDNow discount
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.981014150226.47762A-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
=09I echo that too! I have purchased some cd=B4s off CDNOW, and i have=20
played 2 times that music trivia thing, and got a $5 discount twice....:(
It barely covers the S&H charges.....if anyone knows about that $10=20
discount link, please post it.
=09Also, do we get any kind of discount if we access CDNOW from the=20
UACM site?
Mauricio
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Luke Bateup wrote:
>=20
> > I echo Lisa Marie...Where is the $10 discount on CDNow?
>=20
> > Jon
>=20
> I also echo both Jon and Lisa. Where is this $10 discount?
>=20
> I just put in quite a large order at CDNOW, $10 off would help quite a
> bit, since the bill still has to be converted into Aus. dollars which'll
> send it up even more. I anyone knows, please enlighten us!
>=20
> Cheerin'
>=20
> Luke.
>=20
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Too 80's - What does it mean?
Message-ID: <19981014201301.9384.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
Ivan Navarro <inavarro@mdo.net> and his 10,000 basement monkeys wrote:
> IMHO, "80's" in the context of "too 80's" equals "Glam" - That style
of
> hard rock that was all about "the look" with loud guitars and high
vocals.
I think that's pretty much correct. Although the "too 80's" label is
usually directed at glam, I think it also includes most of the 80's
metal.
I've interogated some people who don't like DT, and usually it's the
vocals which immeadiatly put them into the "oh no, it's too 80's"
mode. (We're talking about the high pitch and general style). Any
amount of lead guitar also tends to put them in this mode.
I think it's all a reaction to the excess of guitar gods and glam (ala
Poison) that occured in the 80's and early 90's. It just got too big
to be "cool" anymore. Plus you had all of the complaints that it was
too technical, you can't dance to it, it's not "happy" music, the big
hair and make-up look ridiculus, etc. Rap took over, and then mutated
into hip-hop (for all of those people who wanted to dance). And then
grunge arose for those who wanted the rock sound, but didn't want the
80's stigma.
It's just the same thing that happened when disco ruled the world in
the 70's/early 80's. Everyone got sick of it, and for many years,
anything that resembled disco was looked down upon. Punk took over,
and then mutated (and split) into "New Wave" and "speed" metal. Speed
metal pretty much combined again with classic rock, metal and glam,
and we then have what some people refer to as "too 80's". So really DT
is as 80's as it gets. They are a combination of all the rock styles
that are called "too 80's". (Classic rock, speed metal, and a little
glam).
But hey, look at disco. It came back, and so will metal. DT can make
big money sometime around 2010, doing a progressive metal nastalgia
tour. ;o)
my $.04, BH
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:11:10 -0700
From: "Wes <Beavis> Foll" <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re cdnow question
Message-ID: <199810142011.NAA16038@sc.llu.edu>
>From: ClPuritan@aol.com
>Subject: CDNow Quiz Question
>To all those who have won more that $5 off at CDNow,
>Are you frequent shoppers there. Perhaps CDNow is reserving the higher prizes
>for those who have already shelled money over, or is it completely random who
>wins what?
>Mark
I played one week and only got a $5 discount, but didn't use it. Then I
played again last week and got $10 off. I am a regular shopper there, but I
doubt that had anything to do with it. It is just luck of the draw I guess.
I hope I can get that $50!!
Beavis (Wes Foll)
++The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.
++The pessimist fears it is true.
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:31:45 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Recommendations for introduction to guitar
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9810141530070.25422-100000@jaca>
Hi, All.
Well, after reading many and many 'jams, I'm now motivated to
learn to play an instrument. I'd like to learn how to play a guitar.
I'm not pretentious to be a super shredder (to be honest, I don't
like most of the shredding I know, with some notable exceptions like
Liquid Tension Experiment, but other than that...). I just want to focus
on some music that I find beautiful, like some Dream Theater songs, the
acoustic passages from the Opeth albums, some things Steve Howe has
composed and some Baroque music (for instance, Bach's lute concertos).
Of course, before I start specializing on some techniques, I'll
need to learn the basics. Given my preferences, do you have any
recommendations? Any books that will give me a solid introduction to the
instrument (and that I should buy)? Any hints on how to choose a guitar??
I think that I'll start with an acoustic guitar, since it's cheaper and
doesn't need many accessories.
Please, keep in mind that I know next to nothing about music. I'd
even dare to say that the most I know about music is how to press the
"Play" button of my CD player. :-)
Thank you for any recommendations, Roger...
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:44:43 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Too 80's - What does it mean? Message-ID: <001201bdf7b3$7a024e20$3a1110ac@viper.clemson.edu>
>But hey, look at disco. It came back, and so will metal. DT can make >big money sometime around 2010, doing a progressive metal nastalgia >tour. ;o)
disco came back? huh? did i miss something? That one commercial on TV for the fabulous disco compilation doens't count as a comeback :) Moo.
--
Dan McCormack (dmc@dreamt.org) http://www.clemson.edu/~demccor/
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:12:47 -0500 From: schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Maiden Message-ID: <19981014.162636.10270.0.schnapster@juno.com>
>The new enhanced cd's already came out. I was at Tower yesterday and >they had the whole collection. As to which cd to get first... LIVE >AFTER DEATH. No question about it. New enhanced CDs? I am really going to sound like a dumbass right now, but could someone give me some details on this? I haven't checked any Maiden info for a little while. And yes, I would definitely recommend Live After Death to start with. Great recording and performance, and it gives a pretty decent cross-section of Maiden's earlier stuff (i.e. Powerslave and before).
Dale R> Newberry
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:49:31 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tool/DT Message-ID: <36251C6B.4F5@goodnet.com>
OK, I apologize for blatantly baiting that last one. It was something that just sprung full forth in my mind and I wanted to blurt out to see what the hardcore DT contingent would think.
Would DT indeed have been more like Tool in another day and age? Perhaps. Tool never impressed me early on... Undertow I didn't like, and then of course when it caught on, every Johnny Bandwagon bought Opiate and played it, and I didn't like that either. It was not until AEnima that they finally made an album that I would consider as having conceptual cohesion... and the vast improvement in the bass playing and the lyric work was what finally got me thinking, "YES, these guys are FINALLY doing something somewhat like prog. Now I have something to listen to until DT's next album."
But obviously this opinion isn't common nor even accepted CW... the Tool fans by and large defend Tool's earlier work, and DT fans that don't like Tool definitely aren't about to give AEnima a listen (not that they don't hear Stinkfist, Eulogy, H, 46+2, and AEnema on the radio every day) so it's a question that will remain largely unanswered.
On to a similar subject with a different band: Galactic Cowboys. I've heard ATEOTD about a hundred times now. They REALLY don't know what the word "subtle" means. Initially I liked the album a great deal... but now it's... well, too obvious. Not rewarding. Just a big whine. I dunno. I was expecting more. It's a good thing the MF suite SOUNDS so good, or I'd really be let down. Look, GC, we know you got shafted by Geffen. Enough already... write about something else. Opinions, anyone?
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:13:22 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: odd time stuff Message-ID: <1998101418826441@ix.netcom.com>
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 darkstar@netxpress.com wrote:
> > Hey fellow jammers! > I need some help.. > > Could anyone give me a run down on how to count and treat odd time > signatures? I think i have the jist of it, just don't know where > to accent which beat(s). Secondly, I have been playing guitar for about > 4 years now, and i have declined in my technical ability as > a player, while at the same time growing melodicly (sp). i have a new > guitar instructor (the other one went AWOL) and have learned a new way > of approaching music and scales. > > My theory is blurred between this new method (chordal) and the > old(modal) approaches.I was thinking of just doing technical exercises > and not worry about scales,keys, chords etc.. What im hoping to do is > extiguish my memory of theory so i can rebuild using the new method and > then moving on the modal stuff..Ive already learned C,G,D major scales > over, now instead of it being in one movable position its in a series of > 'blocks' that connect and allow me to go from C on 7th string to > serveral octaves higher at 20th fret of the high E. Part of the reason i > want to retrain my theory is that i just got a 7 string, and i would > like to to some jazz baseline things as well as the harder stuff. >
sometimes, at least for me, if I'm learning a song with some odd stuff in it, or perhaps its an original, I tend to learn the riff or chord progression and get the "feel" of it, and not worry about counting over and over in my head "one two three four five, one two three four, etc). Although, sometimes its really a necesity that you do count (in one of my band's originals the riff alternates 4/4 and 9/8, and you REALLY have to count the 9/8, you cant feel it, at least I cant yet, its a new song ;-) Anyway, on the 7 string, if you are wanting to learn more Jazz 7 string style (rather than shred or metal), I suggest tuneing your 7th string to a low A, which is what most Jazz 7 strign players do. I dont know the exact reason for this, but I believe its because you have the bass strings in 5ths now (A and E) as opposed to 4ths (B and E) which (I'm guessing) makes it easier to play bass type stuff on. I know a lot a Jazz players will use something like a .080 for the low A, but then again, most of them use .011 sets or even 12's. If you';re the one to use lighter sets (.010 or .009 sets) you'd prolly want to try a .060 if you are planing to tune down to A, otherwise, a .056 is what most guitarists use for the low B.
Matt ===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:01:49 EDT From: MentolPyro@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: How did you hear of DT? Message-ID: <13131ee7.36252d5d@aol.com>
my story aint that interesting (neither is my literary style) but here goes: last summer (97) i was listening to the radio, 94.1 WJJO, Madison's Solid Rock, and there were two songs that whenever i heard i turned the stereo up cuz i absolutely LOVED them: Burning My Soul and Trust or something by Megadeth. I actually thot that Trust was better, and originally thot Trust was by Dream Theater, and was dissapointed when i did some research (downloaded the official songbook) and didn't find that song anywhere. So I go to the store to see if they carry any Dream Theater or Dream Theatre, something, i knew the name, and lo and behold they don't , but , neverfear! i am a member of BMG music club! so i decide to purchase Images And Words and Awake hoping that BMS was on there (dont even ask why i didn't know it wasnt despite already checking out the songbook....) So i receive them, dont think much, you know i didn't notice any of the musicianship being only 14 and having only mainstream exposure up to that point. Actually if it weren't for Dream Theater, Bush and Nirvana, arguably (or whatever) similar bands, would still be my faves...... but i got them and thot the transition from The Mirror to Lie was cool, and kinda listened to some parts, initially liking Pull Me Under and other such songs. Then one day I come racing down to the bus stop with a revelatious (don king version of "revelation-like") expression and continue to exclaim "I LOVE DREAM THEATER!" it just happened, the songs had sunk in! and after many moons, i gave other songs a chance, eventually realizing i'd love any song they made , so i'd listen to all of them knowin i'd like em soon enough and damn , when i noticed BMG got Falling Into Infinity in stock, i was so bleepin excited, and when i received it i almost had cardiacal malfunctions but haha~! i had heard none of the stuff about it so i developed my own opinions of the songs and loved em all!!!!
anyway, there you go.....
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