YTSEJAM Digest 4346
Today's Topics:
1) Royal Hunt
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
2) Re: Funk Fingers
by "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com>
3) Re: Odd Time Stuff
by darkstar@netxpress.com
4) Re: NEW ARTICLE/FAQ submission
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
5) Re: Odd Time Stuff
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
6) Re: love on the Jam??
by Ibanez506@aol.com
7) Re: PS on FunkFingers
by "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com>
8) Re: Tool
by Ibanez506@aol.com
9) Re: Odd Time Stuff
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
10) Iron Maiden's Virtual XI *GASP!* / Anathema
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
11) Re: Odd Time Stuff
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Sig this!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) Re:Prog Metal cd's from "Hellas" Greece.
by "Nikos@Tama-Greek band" <s9763230@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au>
14) Yanni & "Felitsa"
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) font sux?
by "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com>
16) Re: Labels, labels, labels...
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
17) WTF?!?!
by "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com>
18) Love is Dead? Long Live Love!!!!!
by NikBrooks@aol.com
19) Love is Dead? Long Live Love!!!!!
by NikBrooks@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:06:23 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Royal Hunt
Message-ID: <3627FB9F.1A59721B@home.com>
> D.C. Cooper sings for Royal Hunt, a melodic metal band (with emphasis on
> symphonic keyboards, but still fairly heavy). He's on their latest (and
> IMHO finest) album, "Paradox", and the very good previous album, "Moving
> Target."
Yes. Get "Paradox". Get it. Get it today. Now.
"Moving Target" is excellent too.
Get them both.
- Joe D.
jdeangelo@home.com
Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:58:54 -0700
From: "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Funk Fingers
Message-ID: <000c01bdf97a$14af48c0$096dcbd1@george>
Funk Fingers DO EXIST!!!
They are made, basically, from drumstick-like dowels, dipped in a
rubberizing tool-dip. They're used to hammer the bass-strings with the
right hand while fretting with the right, and they sound AWESOME. for a
clue as to how they sound, check out the bassline to King Crimson's "People"
on THRAK and B'Boom.
LT
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:27:14 -0700
From: darkstar@netxpress.com
To: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Odd Time Stuff
Message-ID: <36282AB2.1F9@netxpress.com>
Thanks matt for the input. Oh, and about that 9/8 time..let me see if
this is correct.. i could count it like 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5? Im jsut now
getting into the 'crazy world' of odd time 8)
--darkstar
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:16:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: NEW ARTICLE/FAQ submission
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.981016220822.27474A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 AyameYuki@aol.com wrote:
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|I was flipping through BassPlayer's newest edition ( Nov 98' ) and i saw one
|of those subsciption tags...i thought " this will be BS im sure " but i was
|wrong. Lo and behold, John Myung has written a new column...will it stick
|around for all us little people who play bass ?
JM started writing the bi-monthly column "Deep Six" in the aug 98 issue. you
must be looking at the oct 98 issue. and it's an interesting column. i'm only
a 5-stringer but exercises are kool and worth the effort. will it stick
around? who knows.
pfft. i don't need no steenkin high C...
shouts out to: d-man, dr. teeth(long time no see)
-- john jens + jjens@webzone.net + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Odd Time Stuff Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981016235500.21576A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Actually, 9/8 time is almost always counted in three groups of three. So it'd be ONE two three FOUR five six SEVEN eight nine. Compound meters (6/8, 9/8, 12/8, etc) are almost always in groups of three (more modern music might have it be in other groups than that, but traditionally it's always supposed to be in threes).
If you're counting 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 then it should really be written in a different time signature.
------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage! ------------------------------------------- "Friends are people who help you move. But REAL friend help you move BODIES." -------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:01:50 EDT From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: love on the Jam?? Message-ID: <3a81b5c3.362816ae@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-10-16 16:36:49 EDT, you write:
<< , but LOVE IS DEAD. There is no such thing. Women are, and always will be, evil. Evil, by definition, is anything that is at once both unreasonable and unnatural. Now, compare that definition to 90% of the chicks that you know. See? Female Jammers, dont get upset, Im sure youve got an equally sexist viewpoint on men, but, the sad thing is, thats true too. There is no love, there is no compassion, the only thing you can cling to that wont leave you dead and stinkin' is yourself. >>
Wow can everyone feel the love spewing? I've got this strange warm and fuzzy feeling, I wonder what it is??
I hope this guy finds a good therepist, he's gonna need it! Later, Juli (a female jammer, not easily offended)
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:09:07 -0700 From: "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: PS on FunkFingers Message-ID: <001d01bdf983$fd90d000$096dcbd1@george>
Funk Fingers were not invented as a simulation of a picking sound. The story was that jerry marotta (PGabriel's drummer at the time) drummed on TLev's bass, and he liked the sound so much that he had one of the techs see if he could devise a way for the sound to be duplicated. Basically it was "Can we do that again?" and the answer was yes. They were first used on Steam, Sledgehammer and sundry other PGabriel songs.
--LT
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:23:42 EDT From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tool Message-ID: <74b696b6.36281bce@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-10-16 00:33:41 EDT, you write:
<< I would DEFINITELY not consider Tool progerssive in the technical sense, >> Hmmm I would have to disagree with this statement. Two reasons why. 1. Danny Carey (drummer) is like a machine this guy can play anything just listen to some of his fills over odd time. 2. After 6 months of playing 46 & 2 the middle section still gives me fits. Listen very carefully to the part at 4:05. In this part the guitar and bass take turns adding notes to throw off the count then the drums kick in with this incredible fill and then breaks into a kick ass off time (sounding) groove. Most definitely prog in the technical sense. * Please note that this is not a flame just an opinoin and explanation.
Later, Juli
NP: Fates Warning - Still Life
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:45:06 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Odd Time Stuff Message-ID: <003a01bdf988$e9970920$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>Actually, 9/8 time is almost always counted in three groups of three. So >it'd be ONE two three FOUR five six SEVEN eight nine. Compound meters
that's in the world of normal music, in which 9/8 is just an wasy way to write a triplet or shuffle feel in 3/4. However, here in the world of prog, 9/8 appears the same if not more often as 4/4 plus an eigth note.
>If you're counting 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 then it should really be written in a >different time signature.
in what time signature would you write it? i think it's still 9/8. moo.
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:51:56 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Iron Maiden's Virtual XI *GASP!* / Anathema Message-ID: <3628226C.17EEE36B@home.com>
Hi again everybody,
Well, I firstly want to thank everybody who had Iron Maiden suggestions for me (there were a LOT of you guys!). Thanks for all the great (and often very detailed) responses.
I was kinda torn between all the suggested "must have" albums, and my desire to hear the newer stuff (w/ Blaze Bayley) without having to compare the poor S.O.B. to Mr. Dickinson. Here's what I ultimately decided: I went ahead and got one of each - my copy of "Piece of Mind" should be here any day (excited to hear this! - and if I like it "Powerslave" and "7th Son....." are probaly next), and I picked up "Virtual XI" the other day. Well, that leads me to the inevitable review of "Virtual XI".
Okay, here goes. For starters, I'm glad I could listen to this album without any previous I.M. experience, because believe it or not, I actually kinda like it. I'll admit it does have it's weaknesses, especially the VERY repetitive lyrics on a few of the songs (like "Angel & the Gambler"), and a few songs that are just generally unremarkable. What I did like about the album is (believe it or not again) Blaze . I don't think his singing skill is anything spectacular, but at the same time I feel that his voice (with it's somewhat deep quality) really fits the music well! I know everybody's going to disagree with me here, but if I had to give VXI a letter grade, it'd probably be a B-. Lose the repetitive lyrics (especially on "The Angel & the Gambler"- which otherwise would be a really cool song IMO) and it'd be a B.
Okay, enough about I.M. for today. Is anybody familiar with Anathema? I was in Media Play the other day, and SOMETHING (no idea what) compelled me to grab Anathema's "Eternity". I really don't know why I bought it - I've heard of the group, but honestly didn't even know what style of music it was (for all I knew it was cookie-monster vocals Death-metal)! Anyhow, I'm glad I got it, because it's really pretty cool (albeit a different type of music than I'm used to listening to). Probably the best way I could describe it would be to say that it's VERY mellow doom-metal with heavy Pink Floyd influence, and with mostly clean, dreamy vocals. The only CD I've heard that's pretty close to it is Tiamat's "Deeper Kind of Slumber".
Is anybody here familiar with these guys? Could you tell me a little more about them and their other CD's? Also, is "Eternity" a concept album (it seems to be)?
Thanks folks,
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:00:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Odd Time Stuff Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981017005526.23547A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, TheCowGod wrote:
> > that's in the world of normal music, in which 9/8 is just an wasy way to > write a triplet or shuffle feel in 3/4. However, here in the world of prog, > 9/8 appears the same if not more often as 4/4 plus an eigth note. > > >If you're counting 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 then it should really be written in a > >different time signature. > > in what time signature would you write it? i think it's still 9/8. moo. >
Well, to be quite blunt, aren't we talking about normal music? In actuality, there ARE 9 eighth notes in the measure, but that doesn't mean it should be counted as a 9/8 measure. In truth, it's probably going to be considered as a 4/8 bar and a 5/8 bar (or a 2/4 bar and a 5/8 bar, actually), because the chances are you'll put the stress like this: ONE two three four FIVE six seven eight nine. You COULD write it as 9/8, but you'd have to be sure to write the stress down on the paper so the person playing it wouldn't think it was done as three sets of triplets. In this case, you'd write something like 9/8 (4+5).
I've been through all this in the past year (I'm a music major in college, my theory teacher DRILLED this stuff into my head for 9 months during Theory I & II). Sorry if I sound like I'm lecturing.
------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage! ------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like plants. I'm a vegetarian because I hate animals." -------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:24:58 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sig this! Message-ID: <01bdf996$dd36ab00$260d84d0@korgx3>
>> in what time signature would you write it? i think it's still 9/8. moo.
You know, I feel kind of pulled both ways. I can see the point of dividing the 4/4 + 1/8 note into 4/8 and 5/8, (otherwise you could say the entire Pull me Under sig is say 1301/2630 or something) but I would personally think it all depends on the way the feel goes. If the rythmn is actually going 1 & 2 & 1 & 2 & 3... I would say make it 4/8 and 5/8. But if the rythmic feel is 1&2&3&4&5... I would say it is a 9/8. Usually when I count the typical shuffle waltz in 9/8 I generaly count real fast 1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3. Yanni uses this on Felitsa, and if you don't listen to the rythmn, you can get lost real easy. Yes, Yanni is prog. :) But most of his odd signature stuff is a waltz type feel, but his waltes in 7/8 are the best. :) But the 5/4 part in Nostalgia is not to be decried either... Anyway, I digress...
The best rythmic technique to develop, I think, is to be able to not worry about the time sigs. :) It's something I (thankfully) haven't had to work hard to develop. Once you can subconsciously follow the patterns, you can better concentrate on the more difficult stuff (like those septlet runs at 312 bpm) :)
Grrrr..... -- KorgX3 gets all furry and puffy. Oh, no! I'm fluffy!
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:31:52 +1100 (EDT) From: "Nikos@Tama-Greek band" <s9763230@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:Prog Metal cd's from "Hellas" Greece. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981017172746.8096B-100000@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au>
Hello brothers and sisters.
I just picked up 2 prog metal disx from Greece.
1: Guardian Angel-----Oblivion Seas
2: Horizon's End-------Sculpture On Ice
These cd's are very progressive and melodic. See u's later.
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yanni & "Felitsa" Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981017025226.26117A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> Yanni uses this on Felitsa, and if you don't listen to the rythmn,
Well, I don't know about that. I play Felitsa on the piano, and I definitely feel the three-triplet beat. The next time you listen to it, try counting a three-beat to the music. I think you'll find that it's incredibly easy to do so.
-------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage! -------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like plants. I'm a vegetarian because I hate animals." --------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:47:00 PDT From: "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: font sux? Message-ID: <19981017084700.4016.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey, guys. I hope you all know that while NO DT font will probably compare with the IAW font, this new one beats the HELL out of the FII font. It has a really futuristic look to it, not cheesy at all, IMHO!
C U around!
-maX
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:59:33 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Labels, labels, labels... Message-ID: <v01540b00b24e19bd9d5b@[205.134.228.56]>
Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> wrote:
>Prog Metal - Rush (2112/Hem/FtK era)*, Dream Theater**, Symphony X > Prog Rock - Gentle Giant*, Yes*, Genesis*, ELP*, Kansas*, Jethro Tull* > Italian Prog. Rock - Premiata Forneria Marconi*, Deus ex Machina
I would add more one Italian prog band. Le Orme!
> Rock in Opposition - Univers Zero*
Please do not forget Henry Cow (the pioneer of RIO music), Present, Art Zoyd, ZNR, Etron Fou, etc.
> Zehul - Shubb Niggurath
Ahh...do you mean "Zeuhl" music? That would be Magma (France).
Regards, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ICQ: #13676703
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:48:59 PDT From: "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WTF?!?! Message-ID: <19981017094900.2317.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>>LOVE IS DEAD. There is no such thing. Women are, and always will be, evil.<<<
Hey! How in the Hell could you say such a thing?!
I don't care how pissed off you may be at SOME girls, you have no right to talk this kind of shit. It has no place here!
Don't flame you? Fully document my ass! Want 2 kiss it, too?
It's assholes like you and Adolf Hitler who fuck over everyone else because of their own mental insanities. YOU can go crawl into a hole and die if you wish (will anyone care?), but what you said was WRONG, and I'll personally kick your fucking ass if I EVER get the chance! Are you deliberately trying to be an ass? If slime like YOU can state their opinions, I can state mine. And I'm not afraid of what you'll do. It'll only get you thrown off the list and not a soul would give a shit about you. Is THAT what you want? Besides it's COMPLETELY NDTC.
Well, I may be the only one to say anything, but I'm sure I'm not the only 1 you pissed off tonight.
Good work. <clap, clap>
Now get off our list!
-maX --- send hate-mail to < maxamundo@hotmail.com >
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:39:44 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Love is Dead? Long Live Love!!!!! Message-ID: <731f963d.362873f0@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/16/98 9:37:16PM, you write:
>LOVE IS DEAD. There is no such thing. Women are, >and always will be, evil. Evil, by definition, is anything that is at once >both unreasonable and unnatural. Now, compare that definition to 90% of the >chicks that you know. See? Female Jammers, dont get upset, Im sure youve got >an equally sexist viewpoint on men, but, the sad thing is, thats true too. > There is no love, there is no compassion, the only thing you can cling to >that wont leave you dead and stinkin' is yourself. > >-Chris
There is a saying, 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'. Seems it applies to men also ...
If you don't want female jammers to get upset then 'think before you post' (to quote Skadz) is perhaps the best way!
It is sad that this has to appear in the same week that LOVE appears (John and Rena Petrucci's new baby).
N
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:39:46 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Love is Dead? Long Live Love!!!!! Message-ID: <5f6efdbd.362873f2@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/16/98 9:37:16PM, you write:
>LOVE IS DEAD. There is no such thing. Women are, >and always will be, evil. Evil, by definition, is anything that is at once >both unreasonable and unnatural. Now, compare that definition to 90% of the >chicks that you know. See? Female Jammers, dont get upset, Im sure youve got >an equally sexist viewpoint on men, but, the sad thing is, thats true too. > There is no love, there is no compassion, the only thing you can cling to >that wont leave you dead and stinkin' is yourself. > >-Chris
There is a saying, 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'. Seems it applies to men also ...
If you don't want female jammers to get upset then 'think before you post' (to quote Skadz) is perhaps the best way!
It is sad that this has to appear in the same week that LOVE appears (John and Rena Petrucci's new baby).
N
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