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    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4353
     by David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
      2) Re: Long trips to see a band
     by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
      3) Stratovarius, Zero Hour.
     by Graham John Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
      4) The underappreciated Paul Craddick...
     by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
      5) Stratovarius:Destiny
     by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
      6) Japanese Tab books
     by META SECTION <meta@dreamt.org>
      7) FII
     by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
      8) Fucking bastards!!
     by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
      9) Sure Does...
     by MusicSnob@aol.com
     10) Powermad CD update
     by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
     11) Re: UACM and Voices
     by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
     12) Re: CDNow Trivia for week of 10/19
     by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
     13) 12th notes, 82nd notes, post it notes, etc...
     by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
     14) 5 Years video / OiaLT release dates, misc.
     by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
     15) Berklee and ignorance
     by FlatYer5s@aol.com
     16) *sigh*
     by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
     17) Top 20 Classics survey
     by ytse jam <ytse_classics@yahoo.com>
     18) 12th notes?
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 05:05:07 -0400
    From: David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4353
    Message-ID: <199810200905.FAA06734@promail1.ee.net>

    I just wanted to stop in and say....

    tuku tiki taka taketa waka waka wookeee

    ROFLMAO!
    :P
    Dave (aka buster) Hatlee

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:50:15 +0100
    From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: Long trips to see a band
    Message-ID: <362C6AE7.849AF947@mol.com.mk>

    > From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
    > Subject: traveling a lot to see a band live
    >
    > From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
    > > I traveled through 2 countries to see Dream Theater!
    > > Not 3 hours, 20 hours! Stupid?
    >
    > Hey, I can beat you at that. I traveled from Estonia to Hungary,
    > which makes 6 countries on the way. OK, maybe
    > I really didn't go there specifically for the Dream Theater
    > concert and perhaps it was just an additional bonus, but hey!

    So you didn't beat me afterall! ;))) Heh!

    > Thus, I've never really understood those posts where people sigh and say,
    > "Dream Theater [or any other band] 5 hours away from me. Goddamnit, it's
    > much too far. I guess I'll go get shitfaced over the grief instead." :-)

    Yeah right! Like: "Gee, I really wanted to go but under the
    circumstances it's REALLY a hard trip!" :)
    Shia!!! (or however you spell that Wayne/Garth sound ;)

    P.S. And please, I don't want to read the next 2 digests with 99.9% odd
    time content!!!!! Shut up and go practise! :)

    > Raitz
    -----------
    Later, CyberDuke

    Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/
    E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk
    ICQ# 17392722

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    Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 02:46:35 +1000
    From: Graham John Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Stratovarius, Zero Hour.
    Message-ID: <3615036B.27796904@sydney.net>

    > Subject: Stratovarius' Destiny...
    > It starts with some
    > female vocals, then the music kicks in, then Koltipelto takes over, and
    > then it eventually slows down and has a very epic feeling finish.

    Nope the intro is sung by a Finnish choir boy named Cantores Minores.
    Destiny is without doubt Stratovarius best album to date IMO.
    The use of choirs and an orchestra is done really well, giving
    everything
    a more 'epic' feel,there's seem to be a little more depth with the
    songwriting.
    Jens also seems to be given more space to strut his stuff.
    Timo Tolkki's guitar playing is certainly more emotional, his solo's are
    full of
    feeling and melody, but he still shreds too :)

    Zero Hour self titled
    This is basically a quite superb packaged demo CD, that looks and
    sounds as good as any major progressive band could release.
    The music is heavy and powerful prog and they have a great vocalist too
    boot.
    Hear some samples at http://zerohour.simplenet.com/
    I got my copy from http://www.arenamusic.com

    Gaz

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:48:34 +1000
    From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
    To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
    Subject: The underappreciated Paul Craddick...
    Message-ID: <362C6A82.CC0B5047@winshop.com.au>

    Mike wrote:

    > Paul Craddick (could there be a more under-appreciated player out
    > there?)

    Yes, his name is Sean Reinert. The most underrated drummer ever. (IMHO
    of course).

    Cheerin'

    Luke.

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:12:00 PDT
    From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Stratovarius:Destiny
    Message-ID: <19981020111201.24768.qmail@hotmail.com>

    I donīt like this album very much.There are only two songs that come
    close to the usual Strato-quality I have come to expect from them(S.O.S
    and Cold Winter Nights).Why, you ask?Simply because the melodies(The
    melody that starts the song Destiny is so lame that you donīt know
    whether to laugh or cry)arenīt very good and because this album seems to
    lack itīs own style.Itīs only Visions part two.Except itīs not nearly as
    good as Visions.

    -Ville-

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:44:56 -0400
    From: META SECTION <meta@dreamt.org>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Japanese Tab books
    Message-ID: <362C77B8.853662B7@dreamt.org>

    The Japanese Tab books contain the Full tab and notation for al
    instruments but what everyone fails to realize is sometimes these
    notations can be DEAD WRONG. I have the books for WDADU, I&W and Awake
    and I'll tel you that quite a bit of the stuff is wrong. Like for
    example the notation for they keys in 6:00 is so freakin wrong I can't
    believe it. I mean I even typed it into my comp to double check that I
    wasn't playing it wrong cuz it sounds nothing like 6:00. anyway but if
    your looking for the general jist of these tunes, these books are a good
    thing, you just need to find a way to get em from japan......... 

    --
Layne Lowery
Guitarist / Composer

    META SECTION
http://members.xoom.com/METASECTION/

    ICQ UIN: 3696719

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    Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:40 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <199810201415.HAA15446@knight.axnet.net>

         
     "can someone please fill me in as to the correlation between
     Da Jam and the release of FII?"
     
     ----------------------------------------
     
     We helped write it.  Duh!
     
     :)
     
     -an aural hand

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    Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:49 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Fucking bastards!!
Message-ID: <199810201415.HAA15448@knight.axnet.net>

         
     So i'm working late and Limelight (that Rush tune) comes
     on the radio.  I'm groovin'.  Said killer song ends.
     As I reflect upon the coolness of all things Rush, the
     DJ casually announces that he's got a copy of the new
     Rush, Different Stages Live, AND he's going to play
     some of it right now!  
     
     A wild whoop of joy reverberates from the walls of my office.
     
     Then, as Wild Koba might put it, I was anally raped.  He
     played 5 seconds of audience noise, then stopped the CD,
     saying smugly, "OK...I just played some of it."  
     
     What a cocksmoker.  Kindly forgive my venting.
     
     --an aural hand

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:13:46 EDT
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Sure Does...
Message-ID: <bbbea34c.362c9a9a@aol.com>

    make it easy to read the jams when half the posts are on time signatures.
I say, "BLAH!" Anyway, how could I possibly tie this in to any relevant
content?
I could mention a concert! Everyone in the DC area go see the Death/Hammerfall
concert on Friday, November 13th at Jaxx. Why not?

    Kevin

    NP: Symphony X - Twilight in Olympus

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:37:52 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Powermad CD update
Message-ID: <362CA040.EC586CBB@trw.com>

    All I did was ask for an update and said some people would probably not
attend
next year, and this was his speel...

    Questions I have include:
1. I never heard 4-8 weeks. I assumed since the discs might have
arrived by the Powermad dates, then they would have been mailed 
out close to those dates.
2. Weren't they letting you buy tickets that let you get in for 
less money but you wouldn't get a cd?

    anyway the update:

    >    Well first off, we told everyone it shall be 4-8 weeks for the cd's.  The
> delays are not of our doing and it's really a costly problem for ME to send as
> you had to see the doors did not make the money it costed to even put on such
> a concert.  
>    Second the compact disc is a free promo item over beyond the $30. ticket
> cost which gives you three full days of partying, music and fun (25 live
> bands).  Where do you find a full day event for the cost of $10. ????  I'm
> sorry if your not happy, but hey I'm not very pleased myself as a $30.00
> problem for you is a $4200.00 problem for me.  This festival is to help bring
> the true metal fans together with bands, labels magazines, etc.  And guess
> what that happened.  The delayed masters from bands and the manufacture caused
> the problems, not I.  I could spend my money, and time on many other things,
> but I'm putting a summer of time into arranging such an event for all of you
> to enjoy as we bust our asses for some people just to complain.  
>    Fun thing about your letter is that people are now receiving the cd's and
> we have already received 89 promotional kits from bands for next years
> festival... If you do not want to be apart of the concert weekend than what
> can I say but "sorry" and "Try pulling something like this off, then maybe you
> could understand alittle abit". 
> We are only trying to help but it's costing time money and a few people that I
> guess don't realize we livin a country were metal is overlooked, there are not
> many outlets to introduce new relaeses/bands. It really hards when you get
> slammed for trying to go the extra mile to help.  The only Progressive Power
> Metal festival of it's kind (from what all the people we speak to around the
> globe, it's the only one of it's kind point), so we still feel that it is
> important to the scene and I'm sorry you feel the need not to attend next year
> as there are many amazing things going on at the moment for the next event.
>   I will not give-up on this plan and there are many people who understand
> what's going on and know that a weekend festival is not a simple thing to
> arrange with no problems.  I spoke to the head guy of the Open Air Dynamo
> fest. and they said to me that in just two years POWERMAD has become a
> worldwide interest.  They told me about all the things that has happened to
> them in the 12 years that the Dynamo fest has been going. 
>   Like I said "I'm sorry for problems and thanks so much for your support on
> the American Metal Scene".  Please do not take this letter the wrong way as I
> am truly sorry your not plesed.  You will see the cd and we surely hope that
> you injoy the 3-disc set w/40 cuts on it.  
>    Take care....
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Keith Menser

    NP:Queensryche-Operation Mindcrime
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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:46:10 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: UACM and Voices
Message-ID: <362CA232.A605C7FA@pacbell.net>

    Max Amundo wrote:
> 
>    But I have A REAL QUESTION!!!
> Does the "Voices" list still exist? It's not on UACM...

    No it doesn't, that's why it's not on UACM.

    The Mirror mailing list is the replacement for Voices.

    -- 
Lisa Marie "Jessie"
ytsegirl@pacbell.net
http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl
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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:48:41 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: CDNow Trivia for week of 10/19
Message-ID: <362CA2C9.D929B21@pacbell.net>

    Jon Kretschmer wrote:
> 
> Anyone know the answers for this week's trivia game?  The first question is
> simple, and I think the second one is easy too, but what about the third?

    If you click on the button that says "cheat sheet" it will give you the
answer.

    -- 
Lisa Marie "Jessie"
ytsegirl@pacbell.net
http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl
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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:51:12 -0400
From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: 12th notes, 82nd notes, post it notes, etc...
Message-ID: <362CA360.3EB1CBC9@bah.com>

    Ya know, I don't have any formal training in music theory - just the little bits and pieces I get from the "teach yourself..." books. Now that I've identified myself as a total ameteur, lemme share some things I've noticed. Nobody likes whole
notes. I dunno why, but instead of saying, "everytime the big fat hairy guy smacks the drum, I'm gonna say it's a WHOLE note", it's instead called a QUARTER note. Lookin' at my dream theater tabulature, I notice that a lot of times, triplets are
used that break a QUARTER note into 3 pieces, or 12th (maybe "dodecets"?) NOTES. By saying a theme repeats every time 5 of these mutha fuckas pass by, isn't that 5/12 timing? Looking at my Yngwie tabulature, I notice that a lot of times, he
takes a quarter note and instead of breaking it into 2 pieces (EIGHTS), he breaks it into 5 (TENTH Notes). Play these twice as fast (like our good ol' herring-choking buddy loves to do) and you have TWENTIETH notes. Be a completely
self-indulgent prog freak and make a theme repeat every 9 or so of these notes, and you got 9/20 time sig. I fail to see how any fraction is un-realizable using this methodology. I guess it just ain't kosher to have something in the denominator
that ain't a power of 2.

    As an Electrical Engineer - I run into this a lot...you get so educated at something that you can't see an idea unless it's explained using engineering geek parlance. Too smart equals dumb sometimes. I'm as guilty as the next geek.

    -Da YtseLooooooeeeeeeeeeee

    P.S. - Thanx for the belated "Happy B-day", Patha! if I ever get rich, I'm sending you a Gold Jeep with a vanity plate that spells out "HORNY", just so you can be as cool as Steve Dallas.

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:09:03 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 5 Years video / OiaLT release dates, misc.
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809045@messaging>

    Hey everyone-

    < *sniff* ... smells like open ass. CDNow says October 27. No listing at
Music Boulevard nor at CD Universe. Where've you been looking? >

    Well, to name a few - 
CD World (www.cdworld.com)
CD Source (www.cdsource.com)
CD USA (www.cdusa.com)

    They're all major, professional sites...

    These all say the release date for the video is *October 20, 1998*.

    I trust CDNow more than them, so they're probably wrong, etc....

    P.S. #1:  CD Teleshop (www.cdteleshop.com) lists OiaLT (CD) to be
released Oct. 23 (this Friday) !?!

    P.S. #2:  CD Cellar has promo copies of "Burning My Soul" with the LP
version, edit, and a short audio bio.  I thought it sounded pretty cool,
though not nearly as cool as the Japanese Hollow Years single (just
ordered mine :-() ).

    P.S. #3:  Does anyone else just love "The Way it Used to Be"?  It has so
many different styles wrapped up in one little song:  The late-Floydish
playing/singing on the second verse (1:20) and guitar solo (5:00), the
Edge/U2-ish intro, the shitkicker rock section at the end (6:30), the
kick-back keyboard interlude (4:40), the King's X riff (6:10), etc.  I
just think it's a great song (and James wrote the lyrics!). Also some
very cool (not terribly difficult, but very cool) bass playing.  Too bad
it didn't make the album....

    David Dixon
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com

    NP: Rush (self-titled)

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:30:05 EDT
From: FlatYer5s@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Berklee and ignorance
Message-ID: <105d93e5.362cac7d@aol.com>

    The CowGod wrote:
>BERKLEE'S NO FUCKING GUARANTEE!! :)

    I never claimed that Berklee's a guarantee for anything.  I wanted to further
my musical education because I really love music for myself.  I worked my ass
off at that school for 4 long years and reached a level of musicianship and
maturity in all facets of my life that I will always treasure.  I accept that
my degree is pretty much useless- it won't get me a job unless I want to
pursue teaching at the university level.  No thanks- I play in bands and teach
privately for a living.  What do you do MooBoy?  I would highly doubt you have
as much fun doing what you do to make a living as I do.  If you do, good for
you.  You won't find me making assumptions about a part of your life which I
know nothing about, however.   Put down Berklee if you know what it's like.
Plenty of students- current and past- do.  But find something out about it
before you make sweeping generalizations about it and it's students- including
myself.  

    Oh well- musical academics are not for everyone.  Berklee, I've noticed is a
very touchy subject on this list- what isn't for that matter?  I happen to
like knowing as much about music as I can.  I don't feel that it has stunted
my growth musically or altered my feel by clouding my head with
technicalities.  It has only opened up my ears and showed me the possibilities
in which exist in music.   If you don't know or don't even want to know
anything about something which absolutely consumes your life 24 hours a day
like music does mine, and wanting to take the steps to try to help yourself in
this very difficult course in life, fine.  But don't assume that those who
want choose that course are delusional.  I know it's not a guarantee for
anything.  But I was the one who chose to accept that risk and am now reaping
it's rewards.  

    If anyone's interested, you can visit by band's site at www.robies.com.  Sorry
to take up so much bandwidth but I had to address that one.   Oh yeah- the
"moo" thing?  It's REALLY getting FUCKING old... :)  SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL
MUSICIANS!!! 

    Dan Chernow
Phoenix, AZ
FlatYer5s@aol.com
Guitarist/Instructor
Berklee College of Music class of '94

    "Bitterness breeds irritation- ignorance breeds imitation."  Neil Peart

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:37:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: *sigh*
Message-ID: <19981020153700.24455.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>

    I usually dont reply to such off-base topics but something compells me
to make this the exception. Love does not stink. REAL love that is. 
Not that candy-ass romance shit our society has made us believe is
love.  Real love is a great thing, and can only bring positive things
to your life.

    I am making myself cringe. I shall leave now.

    Ern

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:43:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: ytse jam <ytse_classics@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Top 20 Classics survey
Message-ID: <19981020164331.150.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com>

    Hello Ytsejammers!

    It's time for another survey! Often questions arise on the ytsejam
such as "what other recordings should I pick up?" or "what's the best
Iron Maiden to get?".  To answer these questions, it's time for a
survey by and for ytsejammers. To participate in the survey, send a
list of 20 of your favorite, all-time classic recordings. These should
be recordings that you would call "the best of genre" or "desert
island collection". Real high quality stuff! Any recording can be
listed. It doesn't have to be progressive metal or even rock. The
survey will run until Oct. 31, 1998. Results will be posted on the
ytsejam and on a DT website.

    Send your list to: ytse_classics@yahoo.com

    List your top 20.
One list per person!
Each recording will get one point. 
List each recording only once. 
Order of the list does not matter. 

    Example list:

    Rush - Moving Pictures
Rush - Permanent Waves
Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Dream Theater - Awake
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
Yes - Close to the Edge
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
King Crimson - Discipline
Tool - Aenima
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones - Live Art
Living Colour - Stain
Peter Gabriel - Secret World Live
Bozzio/Levin/Stevens - Black Light Syndrome
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magik
Primus - Frizzle Fry
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Alice In Chains - Dirt
Faith No More - King For a Day, Fool for a Lifetime

    It usually works best to make a large list over several days, and then
narrow it down to 20 before you submit the list. This may keep you
from forgetting a long lost classic.

    Don't send your list to the ytsejam! Once again, send to: 
ytse_classics@yahoo.com

    Please keep this survey among the ytsejam community. Do not try to
manipulate the results! (i.e. Don't tell all your friends on the
"Barney" mailing list to send e-mails pushing for  "Barney Sings the
Blues".)

    Jam on!

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    Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:32:44 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: 12th notes?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9810201530180.21678-100000@rebutosa>

    	Well, please excuse my ignorance, but I think that in a time
signature the only numbers possible are powers of 2. Is this correct?

    	[]s, Roger...

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