YTSEJAM Digest 4355
Today's Topics:
1) Powermad CDs
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
2) Yo, da Looeeee gonna bust some wraps at cho' ass...
by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
3) whatever
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
4) RE: Your ONCE IN A LIVETIME chance to win!!!
by "Anderson, Brian D" <BAnderson@sdms.usa.xerox.com>
5) Guitar schools
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
6) No more 5/12 please..
by FlatYer5s@aol.com
7) Re: Berklee and Ignorance
by "El Fripper" <fripper05@hotmail.com>
8) Re: Berklee and ignorance
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
9) degarmo
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
10) Space Dye Vest
by "J.T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
11) is earth a ball
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
12) CDNOW - OIAL
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
13) Time sigs ARE important
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
14) Re: trappings of gory, the 5/12 = 31/32
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
15) Re: 3/32
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
16) Stratovarius "Destiny", DT Irving Plaza Video Boot
by MTeiper@aol.com
17) Re: CDNOW - OIAL
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
18) My view of 12th notes
by Riffinator@aol.com
19) Re: Time sigs ARE important
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:25:00 -0400
From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Powermad CDs
Message-ID: <003401bdfc56$f2cc3c60$905d64c7@jbirzer_dev.idshq.com>
>Questions I have include:
>1. I never heard 4-8 weeks. I assumed since the discs might have
>arrived by the Powermad dates, then they would have been mailed
>out close to those dates.
>2. Weren't they letting you buy tickets that let you get in for
>less money but you wouldn't get a cd?
You're right on both counts, and Menser does get it wrong in the letter. It
still probably was at cost for him, but still, it would have been nice if he
at least dropped a note to give us an update.
Even tho this years Powermad was an improvement, he still needs to get his
act together. It would also help if he promotes the event better. It might
help a little with the costs. I'll still be there next year.
Jason Birzer
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:03:26 -0400
From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Yo, da Looeeee gonna bust some wraps at cho' ass...
Message-ID: <362CD06E.406DEDDE@bah.com>
This is a test to ensure that yer old pal Loooooeeeeee isn't sending
huge, long ass messages that fail to wrap and cause everyone using
netscape to have to scroll over to read my wit and wisdom in it's
entirety.
please disregard, or if you know what I'm doing that is boneheaded,
please respond privately. Thank you.
(Hoping this solves the problem...)
-Da Unwrappable Looooooeeeeeeeeeee
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:38:51 -0500
From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: whatever
Message-ID: <362CD8BA.9FD76F23@wavetech.net>
>I notice that a lot of times, triplets are
>used that break a QUARTER note into 3 pieces, or 12th (maybe
"dodecets"?) >NOTES. By saying a theme repeats every time 5 of these
mutha fuckas pass by, >isn't that 5/12 timing? Looking at my Yngwie
tabulature...
-- Now look here: you break a quarter note into three parts and you get EIGHTH NOTE TRIPLETS, not 12th notes. And if you repeat a theme every five 8th notes, you lose the triplet feel and make them strait 8ths...then you are in 5/8 time...which means five eighth notes in the bar, and one eighth note gets the beat. As I said before, you can count it any way you want, but if you wanna write it down, it's only gonna work a certain way. And as for breaking a quarter note into five pieces, that would be 16th note quintuplets. There are four 16th notes in a quarter note...add one more and you have five 16th notes: in 4/4, written like so: |12345 12345 12345 12345|| but played in the same space of time that the original four 16ths would be. Play them twice as fast, and you have 32nd notes in four groups of ten. You can do this with any "real" time sig. If you would look at the musical notation instead of tab, you might understand what Im saying. The point is, there IS NO SUCH THING AS 5/12 TIME. :-PThanks for listening...
-K
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:16:41 -0400 From: "Anderson, Brian D" <BAnderson@sdms.usa.xerox.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Your ONCE IN A LIVETIME chance to win!!! Message-ID: <201BB34B3A73D1118C1F00805F1582E88C2D2F@x-wb-0128-nt8.wrc.xerox.com>
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:22:27 -0400 > From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> > To: ytsejam@axnet.net > Subject: Your ONCE IN A LIVETIME chance to win!!! > Message-ID: <362C1E13.9B441691@wezl.org> > > > For those who haven't entered yet, check out the new contest > to win cool > Dream Theater stuff! You can enter via the banner at > http://www.wezl.org/lift > or go directly to http://www.onceinalivetime.com to see how > to enter!!! > Play DT name that tune and win cool stuff!
Noooo! No no no!!! You weren't supposed to say anything! I was hoping nobody would bring this up. You see, less people playing the game = better odds of me winning. Damn you! :-)
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:06:24 -0500 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Guitar schools Message-ID: <199810201923.MAA05819@knight.axnet.net>
I gotta question for all you scholastic guitar whizzes out there in ytse-land. I really want to pursue my musical education. The only problem is that I live in the south (Texas) and I dont know of any colleges/music schools anywhere in the south. If you could shine some light for my path I would appreciate it.
Thorin
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:22:08 EDT From: FlatYer5s@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: No more 5/12 please.. Message-ID: <aadcd9f8.362ce2e0@aol.com>
Music exists on paper in order to HELP people understand the music, assuming they have never heard it. Unfortunately, there has never been a clear, wholly universal method of musical notation. Musical and notational ideas which are just plain WRONG like the 5/12 thing come up because people time and again fail to realize that SIMPLE IS BETTER.
A twelfth note, if it existed, would mathematically be an 8th note triplet. 12 of them exist in a bar of 4/4. Triplets are quite easy to recognize, play, and to notate. If you were to have a passage in your mythical 5/12 time signature, NOBODY would know what the hell you were trying to convey. If it was just for yourself and you understand the concept of the 12th note, fine. Great. Fucking dandy. But if you want anyone else to understand how this is supposed to sound you just won't be able to. God forbid you hand a chart in 5/12 time to a seasoned pro- you will be laughed out of the fucking studio and you'll never find work again! ;) Notate that mo-fo in 5/8 and increase your tempo by 1/3. Or write it in 5/8 and mark above the staff that the eighth note now equals an eighth note triplet- this method would work if going from a bar of 4/4 to your so-called 5/12. End of story. Oh yeah- SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL MUSICIANS!!!!
Dan Chernow Phoenix, AZ FlatYer5s@aol.com Guitarist/Instructor Berklee College of Music class of '94
"Bitterness breeds irritation- ignorance breeds imitation." Neil Peart
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:33:05 PDT From: "El Fripper" <fripper05@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Berklee and Ignorance Message-ID: <19981020193306.18813.qmail@hotmail.com>
>The CowGod wrote: >>BERKLEE'S NO FUCKING GUARANTEE!! :)
And I agree
>No thanks- I play in bands and teach privately for a living. What do you do MooBoy? I would highly doubt you have as much fun doing what you do to make a living as I do.
Not all of us are as lucky... although I do know MooBoy's band has some pretty nice tunes...
>Oh yeah- the "moo" thing? It's REALLY getting FUCKING old... :) I kinda like the "moo" thing... it wastes less bandwidth than the really fucking long quotations in most people's signatures :)
Danny Labrador lurker and puerto rican
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:56:53 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Berklee and ignorance Message-ID: <006301bdfc63$c8d7f540$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>If anyone's interested, you can visit by band's site at www.robies.com. Sorry
doh, you plugged your band page, i gotta plug mine :)
http://people.clemson.edu/~demccor/tsb/
i'm sure you'll go check it out. :) moo. (sorry, i like it :)
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: degarmo Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.981020161142.25708A-100000@thunder>
PINE 3.94 MESSAGE TEXT Folder: INBOX Message 628 of 646 22% NEW
> Subject: RE: The Indiffernt Chris DeGarmo... > > Sorry for being harsh, but it seems to me Chris was thinking, "Stalkers!" > Think about it, someone drives three hours and waits around for someone they > don't even know to show up to say hi! And you didn't even plan on seeing the > show??? That's nuts!
Makes me want to sing "I cant pretend this stranger is a long awaited friend"
:)
Seriously.. It must be very difficult to greet and be friends (act friendly with) millions of fans, especially after a long gig when you really would just want to hang out on the bus and relax or with your wives or whatever. And you know you hasve to be friendly because you could lose fans, but the fans will always perster you and beg for autograpohs etc etc. In a way.. it must be an alienating experience, and I am still amazed the DT guys handle it so well! The only time I noticed anything was at the Birch Hill show when Petruci was in a hurry.. and can you blame the guy? I was just on tour for several months, and he is finally home and can spend some time with his wife and pets for a couple days...
-ponte
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Space Dye Vest Message-ID: <19981020205527.3751.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
Ok, what the hell is a "Space Dye Vest"?
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:58:02 PDT From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: is earth a ball Message-ID: <19981020205803.10483.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi jammers, after reading about bumtakida(Pippi in Takatuka-Land), love and how people get mad about counting I thought it's time for 0.50 Pfennig.
I got into DT by accident. A friend of mine and me were listening to a samle player with 6:00 and Lie on it. I liked 6:00 but Lie seemed too heavy. A couple months later I borrowed the whole album from my vocalist - and the rest is history. I just realized it's been more then 6 months now since I saw them last.
I think the ACOS parts on static progress are great. I love it when the drums are a little changed, it mov4s the impact. Altrhough there should be a law against long delay too loud in the mix in the another day solo. Ruins it IMO.
I am still waiting for help on the drum intro of awake. I devide it in groups of 2,3,3,3,3, but maybe somebody can confirm that.
Of course woman appear evil every other day, but Alf doesn't like cats and HItler was a good man.(I wonder why Americans dig him out so fast in terms of comparing people)
To attract some comments I state that love maybe inexistent for some people at one point or the other, because they cannot feel its presence or don't know how it feels(I am talking about love in a relationsship, not parental love and not the love Oprah gives us every day). Those people are either envious or curious, hopefully not desperate(who am I writing this for and about whom anyway).
Close your eyes you can find anything in your mind, you probably just have to wait forever. schnipp
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:16:49 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CDNOW - OIAL Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF03302C@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
David Dixon - >P.S. #3: Does anyone else just love "The Way it Used to Be"?
Oh God Yes - this is such a great track, as is "Speak to Me", I can't believe this sort of material can be written and then dropped, having said that the rest of FII rocks as well, as does WAYN, RTK, CME, oh shit we really need a "Songs that didn't quite make the albums" album - Petition anyone...?
BTW - has 10/27 come round real quick - or is it just me..? I read a great review for it in Metal Hamer (I think), I need to hear/see the latest releases right now!
Dave (a UK Jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:21:03 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Time sigs ARE important Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981020142103.0088e5b0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
I think discussion on time sigs and odd meters is really interesting, considering that we all listen to a band who use unusual time sigs constantly, and to a certain extent pride themselves on it. Understanding what, why, and how they do what they do with time just adds to a fuller understanding of the music. Why not talk about it?
>From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> > > Well, please excuse my ignorance, but I think that in a time >signature the only numbers possible are powers of 2. Is this correct?
Well, with new music today, anything is possible I suppose. Traditionally though, the top number just refers to how many of a certain kind of note there is in a bar, and it can be anything...1, 2, 3, 45, 897, whatever. The bottom number refers to the duration of the base unit of rhythm, usually 1,2,4, 8 or 16 (whole, half note, quarter, eigth, so on). So the bottom notes are usually powers of two, but the top can be anything.
Hope this clears some things up.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:14:56 +0100 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: trappings of gory, the 5/12 = 31/32 Message-ID: <00b401bdfc70$1b66caa0$2bb259c3@simon-s-pc>
>>I'd imagine that a 12th note is a dotted semi-quaver or 16th note. So >>5/12 could be played as 31/32 depending on how you play it. Now that >>is a strange sig to see 31/32. > >I quit my half-serious violin non-career a while back, so I my math is a >bit better than my music theory.....I simply don't get how the heck >5/12 = 31/32 care to enlighten?
Here goes:
if a bar of 5/12 has 5 dotted semi-quavers or 16th notes which is a semi-quaver tied to a demi-semi-quaver (32nd note) in other words 3 demi-semi-quavers (3 x 32nd notes) OOH FUCK, I FUCKED UP.
Sorry I wrote the last couple of messages after drinking quantities of whiskey, and tried to cut corners with working things out.
It should be 15/32 or something?
Simon Christie (now sober, kind of...)
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:19:45 +0100 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: 3/32 Message-ID: <00b501bdfc70$1c270d60$2bb259c3@simon-s-pc>
You Wrote
> I must apologize for the lack of math in the last post, as mine was >highly inaccurate. 3/32 does NOT equal 1/12. 3/36 = 1/12. I stand >corrected. (By myself, so it takes the sting out. :) ) >
No don't, you were right because half the value of a 16th note is a 32nd note.
Simon Christie
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:31:11 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Stratovarius "Destiny", DT Irving Plaza Video Boot Message-ID: <97fad910.362d011f@aol.com>
Hey Gang -
I just got the new Strato yesterday, and while I really like the album, I don't like it as much as Visions, personally. I agree with those who have posted on this topic in that the title track "Destiny" and the epic "Anthem Of the World" totally rule, but to me, the rest of the album sounds like a "Been There, Done That" kind of thing. I dunno, I've only heard it once through so far, so my thoughts may change, but thusfar, even though I really like "Destiny", IMHO "Visions" beats this album hands down.
Also, I was at a music show this past weekend and almost shat myself. I found a 3 camera mix (!) video boot of the 5/8/98 DT Irving Plaza gig. Holy Shit, you guys were right about this show! Kix Maximum Ass!!! The qualiy is outstanding too, 2 tripods and a dude holding a hand-held recorder ON STAGE to the performers' left to get some killer closeups!!! This boot is extremely highly recommended if y'all can find it. Just in case anyone was wondering, no, I can't make a dub. My 2nd VCR is on the fritz. :-)
'Nuff for now. Take care, folx....
- Matt T.
NP: Metal Church "Live In Japan".... Hey, what's with this shitty quality? It sounds like a soundboard boot rather than an official release! :-P
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:56:14 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: CDNOW - OIAL Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9810201953460.5855-100000@jaca>
On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Dave Ware wrote:
> Oh God Yes - this is such a great track, as is "Speak to Me", I can't > believe this sort of material can be written and then dropped, having > said that the rest of FII rocks as well, as does WAYN, RTK, CME, oh shit > we really need a "Songs that didn't quite make the albums" album - > Petition anyone...?
Dave, they are just releasing an album. Do you know what the chances of the petition being considered are? Almost none.
BTW, a petition is something that should be only used when really needed. No need to tell you the story of the boy constantly crying wolf, right??
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:57:20 EDT From: Riffinator@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: My view of 12th notes Message-ID: <5220c0f0.362d0740@aol.com>
Even though I have NEVER come across any x/12 time sigs...it just looks like a fancier way to write 8th-note triplets. A 12th note, speedwise, would fall right in between an 8th note and a 16th note......and the ONLY existing note that is counted faster than an 8th note and counted slower than a 16th is the ever-popular 8th note triplet. So, a 12th note is just another term for one 8th note triplet...(that is, ONE note of the triplet group, not all 3 of course). And they wonder why musicians are better at math! :-)
Drew
Carpe Noctum!
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:01:37 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Time sigs ARE important Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9810201956570.5855-100000@jaca>
On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Jon Kretschmer wrote:
> >From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> > > > > Well, please excuse my ignorance, but I think that in a time > >signature the only numbers possible are powers of 2. Is this correct? > > Well, with new music today, anything is possible I suppose. Traditionally > though, the top number just refers to how many of a certain kind of note > there is in a bar, and it can be anything...1, 2, 3, 45, 897, whatever. > The bottom number refers to the duration of the base unit of rhythm, > usually 1,2,4, 8 or 16 (whole, half note, quarter, eigth, so on). So the > bottom notes are usually powers of two, but the top can be anything.
Well, I meant the denominator. In fact, in the first version of the message that I wrote, I wrote denominator, but what I meant was not clear and I decided to write another message. I should have proof-read it for the second time. :-( That's the strong form of Murphy's Law.
Ok. But now you said _usually_ in the last line quoted. Why did you say that? Are there any exceptions?
> Hope this clears some things up.
[]s, Roger...
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