YTSEJAM Digest 4359
Today's Topics:
1) Time to redeem myself
by "cjstearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
2) Kerrang! reviews
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
3) Re: 5/12 Is Easy As Pie
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
4) Re: Musical notation
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
5) Portnoy
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
6) Re: A new subscriber....
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
7) Digest
by panymex <ecaballe@mail.pty.com>
8) Hey! I have an idea regarding 5/12!!
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
9) RE- Ray Gillen Dead!
by "Francesco Mescino" <f.mescino@som.com>
10) what stinks?
by "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
11) Re: Odd Time Sigs
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
12) Re: DT Keyboards
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
13) new hollow years??
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
14) Re: Portnoy
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
15) 43rd notes for yo' mama
by MusicSnob@aol.com
16) The artist formerly known as piss poor....
by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
17) Space Dye Vest / TWiUtB / petition? / Iron Maiden / AOL Instant Messager
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
18) CDNOW discounts...
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
19) godDAMNit
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:03:27 -0700
From: "cjstearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Time to redeem myself
Message-ID: <199810211155.GAA25960@wichita.fn.net>
I posted before about a 12th note (mind you I am not talking about 5/12
time), having a swing feel USING THIS TERM VERY LOOSELY. It has no
practical purposes except for sequencing a drum machine.
Check out the book The Art of Digital Drumming and do not take my word for
it take theirs. So yes because sequencers are not human and do not have
feel we have to pretend they do by giving it odd note values.
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:57:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Kerrang! reviews
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1021115730-d07rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Kerrang! have just published their review of OiaL, and it was decidedly
uncomplimentary. Flametime. :-)
They also briefly mentioned Superior's "Younique", giving it three out
of five together with a snide racist comment about their name/nationality
combination.
Kerrang! sucks.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:21:32 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: 5/12 Is Easy As Pie Message-ID: <004201bdfced$568be7a0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>on her right and began what was a repeating pattern of 5 hits, with every 12th >hit being accented by her accompanying conga drummers. Keep in mind, the only
ok, i won't argue with you that you could play somethign and call it 5/12, although i'm pretty sure there's a way to label that in the traditional system, i just don't feel like thinkin about that right now - my point is, true, you can "feel" 5/12 and play it and all, but when you write it down and send it across the country so your second cousin in california can see how much cooler the music you're playing is than what he's doing with that crappy surf-rock band of his (no offense to any surf rockers on the list), how would you write it down? would you write it as 5/12? what does a 12th note look like on paper? i'm not arguin the fact that you can play something that you call 5/12, just that when you write it down you'll have to "translate it" into traditional notation. Unless, as people have mentioned, you make up a new notation system for your own private use, sorta like shorthand (this one friend of mine shortens every word, even "a" becomes a sort of weird little squigly slash, its like a code, i cant tell what anything means when i borrow his class notes) but if you plan on sharing it with other musicians you're gonna have to use traditional form unless you're one of those strange dudes who likes to be seen as a weird artist by society or whatever (no offense to any strange dudes on this list who like to be seen as weird artists by society or whatever), in which case i would completely abandon traditional notation and take up Brian Hayden's system of base 3, and while you're at it make up completely new symbols for notes (please don't use staffs, those are really anoying in the current system), like maybe a little drawing of a big mac for a whole note, a whopper jr. for a half note, a (duh) quarter pounder for a quarter note, those little buddy burgers burger king used to have for eight notes... d'oh, never mind, we're in base 3 now. well anyways you get the idea. Moo.
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:03:53 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Musical notation Message-ID: <199810211255.IAA16897@bajor.ici.net>
> > Really, you can use ANY notation to write music, just as long as your > performers know what you are intending for them to play. As far as > tradition goes, there are certain standards, but as they say, rules are > meant to be broken.
Yes, but the purpose of musical notation (ANY knid of notation, whether it's tab or staff or whatever) is to provide a way for the composer to instruct the performer(s) without actually being there. You can write in a bizarre, twisted notation style, but if the performers have no idea what you are trying to convey, then ultimately, it's pointless to write it down. You'll be the only one who knows how to read it, and you don't *need* to read it - you *wrote* it. :-)
__Pat Sullivan________________ Email: psull@just-like.nu WWW: http://www.just-like.nu ICQ: 2049374
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:23:00 -0400 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Portnoy Message-ID: <362DE034.C1BDEC42@seacoast.com>
Nice going, Now that Derek doesn't post here anymore, lets see if we can piss off Portnoy and discourage him from posting as well. Fucking Bananaheads!!
Appreciating all that Mike Portnoy does for the fans, Bob
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:24:05 EDT From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: A new subscriber.... Message-ID: <d0197c1d.362de075@aol.com>
Dennis! welcome to the Ytsejam! Just a word or two of advice.....
1) please turn off the mime/html encoding stuff on your email. I dont know about others on the jam, but for me, it turns the whole email blood-red and the mime-html come out like takatuta stuff they were posting the other day :} 2) as for the technical stuff, its just a faze, we'll outgrow it in a week or two when we start bitching about something new :} (refer to Mike Portnoy's post)
now, for the dude who is having the top 20 classic stuff survey, umm, could you define "classics"? I dunno about anyone else but I would have just listed my fav cds, so if you could clarify I'd appreciate it :}
~Lisa DragynLMC3@aol.com ~Credendo Vides~ By Believing, One Sees http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time. -Bertrand Russell
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:24:53 +0500 From: panymex <ecaballe@mail.pty.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Digest Message-ID: <199810210324.IAA22773@avatar.pty.com>
Please, pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,pls,.....
I no want more your digests !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,tk,....
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:53:46 -0400 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Hey! I have an idea regarding 5/12!! Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC0C974E@HAMSXHA2>
Why doesn't the person who originally opened this can of worms (whose name escapes me at the moment) TELL all of us what the two anonymous German pieces that he's seen 5/12 in really are? That way, everyone who's clamoring about how there is or isn't such a thing as a 5/12 time sig can review it on their own and decide?
Wow. I should run for public office.
Nicholas Giannotti Joint STARS Contracting giannottin@hanscom.af.mil "A day without sunshine is like....night."
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:48:34 -0500 From: "Francesco Mescino" <f.mescino@som.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE- Ray Gillen Dead! Message-ID: <4.0.2.19981021084436.00a37bf0@mail.som.com>
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Ray Gillen Died of Cancer... FYI - He also did vocals for 2 or 3 tunes on Goerge Lynch's solo project a few years back-
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:12:21 +0200 (CEST) From: "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: what stinks? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981021161103.21227E-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
They were right,Geoff Tate was right too,Luv is never worth the pain that you feel.Most girls are evil but then we're too,we cant blame them.Why the FUCK cant we live without luv? I wanna get rid of it,it always hurts so much. asmodel
____________________________ Yes,I am falling..how much longer till I hit the ground? I can't tell you why I'm breaking down. I can't sleep so I take a breath and hide behind my bravest mask, I admit I've lost control..
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:12:13 PDT From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Odd Time Sigs Message-ID: <19981021141214.9712.qmail@hotmail.com>
Yeah, I guess that's the only way I would be able to say it too.
Mike
>Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:35:16 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: NikBrooks@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Odd Time Sigs > > >"(just) Asmodel" asked: > >1. whenever it comes to rhythm changes like 4/4 -> 7/8 and then 4/4 again >(or 6/8) whatever i get really confused..i can count in odd meters like >5/4 or 11/4 or 9/8 etc but not always..do ya know of any sites on the web >that could enlighten me? > >****************************************************************************** >** > >Well a tip would be to listen to the song over and over while learning it and >then try to do it by FEEL. Problem is, once you start trying to count AND >play the brain DOES get confused. If you really listen to the groove your >brain will subconsciously take over the time thing. That's how I do it anyway >... > >N >
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:15:00 PDT From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT Keyboards Message-ID: <19981021141501.8856.qmail@hotmail.com>
That would be the coolest thing to ever happen in music. I think it would add a broad influence of music rather than this top 10ish kinda thing. Liquid fingers - I like that. He is BY FAR the most incredible keyboardist I have ever heard.
Mike
>Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: NikBrooks@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: DT Keyboards > > >If Mr Sherinian has been given the order of the boot, I think the ONLY person >to replace him (and Kevin Moore) would be Jordan Rudess, the man with the >liquid fingers! >
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:17:30 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: new hollow years?? Message-ID: <362DECFA.8052A58B@trw.com>
Is there a new Hollow Years single out?
Music Blvd has Hollow Years "Japanese Version featuring more tracks" that it has being released on 10/15/98 and 10/02/98. So what tracks are on this?????
NP:Rush-A Farewell to Kings -- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | |----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Portnoy Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.981021102501.13698B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Robert Rivers wrote:
> > Nice going, Now that Derek doesn't post here anymore, lets see if we can > piss off Portnoy and discourage him from posting as well. Fucking > Bananaheads!! >
I agree. Even though it's tough to remain sane as a list when there's over 1000 people on here.
Anyway, my whole point to this post is to commend Bob over here for a very nice use of "bananaheads". I like it.
-Al
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:29:47 EDT From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 43rd notes for yo' mama Message-ID: <db563d3c.362defdb@aol.com>
Yeah, I heard this sax player outside the MCI Center Metro playing 43rd notes the other night. He was inspired by the ham sandwich he found in his beard. Let's have a super-mondo-post-a-thon!
Kevin Madden
NP: Bruce Dickinson - Skunkworks
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:31:55 -0400 From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The artist formerly known as piss poor.... Message-ID: <362DF05B.FD83A600@bah.com>
> ARE YOU GOING TO CREATE A SYMBOL TO REPRESENT 12 TH NOTES > ON THE PENTAGRAM?????? (of course not) > > Thanx!!! > > Vladimir Rocha
Yes. Yes I am. I hereby asign that gay "Prince" symbol to be the official symbol of a twelfth note. Turn the mother fucker upside down, and you now have the "Looooeeeee official 13th note" symbol. Lets see if we can't get some usage out of this queer-ass little character.
The only point in this discussion that was made clear to me is that a time signature can be any fraction and still be meaningful, but blue smoke and sparks will come out of the ears of any "true" musician that sees something other than a power of 2 in the denominator. I hope someone from OFB steps up and sez "I *ACTUALLY* wrote that piece in 27/15 time", JUST TO SEE HOW WELL THE HOLIER-THAN-THOU THEORY FREAKS DEAL WITH THAT LITTLE PARADIGM SHIFT.
judging from the lack of responses, I guess no one has seen or baught that Great Kat instructional CD-Rom?
-Loooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:53:41 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Space Dye Vest / TWiUtB / petition? / Iron Maiden / AOL Instant Messager Message-ID: <362DF575.FB23144E@home.com>
J.T. Beachler commited a mortal sin, and asked a question that is contained in the FAQ > Ok, what the hell is a "Space Dye Vest"?
*Father Magellan hears J.T.'s confession, and forgives him of him sins* In Kevin Moore's words from a Japanese Interview: "It was inspired by... I was looking through a clothing catalog & saw a picture of a girl modeling this piece of clothing called a space-dye vest"
Chck out the FAQ for the complete story on SDV http://www.prognosis.com/gabbo/dt/dtfaq.html#6
David Dixon asked: > >P.S. #3: Does anyone else just love "The Way it Used to Be"?
Sure do. I know people say it's too poppy, or too U2. I think it sounds great though, so who cares?
Mr. Rogerio Brito wrote: > Dave, they are just releasing an album. Do you know what the > chances of the petition being considered are? Almost none. > BTW, a petition is something that should be only used when really > needed. No need to tell you the story of the boy constantly crying wolf, > right??
I agree completely with Roger here. Let's not go crazy, and "cry wolf". Another time, another place.
OK.... more Iron Maiden! Firstly, thanks a million (& a half) to everybody (all 200 of you! *grin*) who keeps pouring in I.M. suggestions and advice! You guys are fucking awesome!
Well in addition to my "Virtual XI" (commence booing and hissing now), I just received my copy of "Piece of Mind". After 2 listens, I'm pretty impressed. YES, I do like it better than VXI, and YES Bruce is superior to Blaze - no question about that. I still think VXI is pretty cool too though. My favorite track so far is "The Trooper". This shit just kicks ass! "Die With Your Boots On" is a rocker too! And I was surprised to find that "To Tame a Land" is based on the Dune books by Frank Herbert! KICK ASS!
One question though...... what the fuck is that messed up backwards talking at the beginning of one of the tracks ("Still Life", I think)?
Oh.... and to anybody who has AOL Instant Messager: I'm on IM now too, so get in touch. My screen name is Progstorm.
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:03:49 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CDNOW discounts... Message-ID: <362DF7D5.54BC6A6B@home.com>
I forgot to ask on my last post about the CDNOW discounts. Has anybody been able to combine the trivia discount with that other $10 coupon thing? I tried (last week), and it only let me use the greater of the two (the $10).
OK.... thanks --
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:14:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: godDAMNit Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.981021125437.11859A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Honestly people, sometimes you can *anal*yze something to death. All the points have been made. If you want to keep arguing, take it to the personal level, that's why we can see everyone's personal email address. If you're thinking about posting a response to every nimrod who spouts his personal opinions on the list (in which category I include myself), take a minute to think first. The **th note thing is really an abstract, conceptual exercise. Leave it at that: if you don't think it's possible, fine, if you do, fine. I don't give a flying leap one way or another. Oh and one more thing: no self-respecting trumpet player is going to play 5 ascending notes for 5 minutes. He would much rather say "fuck this" and walk out.
Meanwhile, between the demented ramblings of undereducated musical types, Al thoughtfully inquired: >[paraphrase] How come you don't get your undies all in a twist with the live replacements of KevMo?
Apparently, everyone is still just blown away by the production. Besides, Kevin never officially joined FW. Therefore, the die-hards can't whine bitterly about freedom of expression, nor can the Moorehaters crow.
If we actually devised a notation for #@th notes in Finale, could we call that font "Sherinian"??
On behalf of all the musicians on the list, I apologize for wasting the bandwidth on an irrelevant topic of notation.
P
NP Kings X: Tape Head <---Dudes!!! Pulp: This is Hardcore
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month:
There's something in the air/ and you don't know what it is/ You see someone through a window/ that you've just learned to miss/ and the road leads on to glory/ but you've used up your last wish
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