YTSEJAM Digest 4361
Today's Topics:
1) ummmm, like ...
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
2) LTE songtitles...
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
3) New Message Board, testers needed...
by Michael_R_Kizer@csc.com
4) Re: Iron Maiden
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
5) Re: portnoy rulz
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
6) DT Keyboards
by JamaicaMon@aol.com
7) Re: what stinks? I forgot to flush the toilet... Three days ago...
by "Washburn" <washburn@safelink.net>
8) re: Top 20 Favorites (Classics)
by ytse jam <ytse_classics@yahoo.com>
9) Polymeters..not a non existing time sig
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4360
by Barbara B <babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu>
11) PLEASE READ THIS.
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
12) this is funny.....
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
13) Random stuff
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
14) UAGM, and OiaLT
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
15) Hopefully, the last word on SUPERGROUPS & MP
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:54:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: ummmm, like ...
Message-ID: <13870.11721.692865.150841@optical.mindstorm.com>
we have a saying in my company (which is probably used in a lot of
other places) when a discussion turns in to something very offtopic
and very long-winded. It's called a rathole. Well, the damn
discussion on 12th notes is JUST THAT. So, basically, this is the
SHUT THE HELL UP email :) Take it to private email if you want to
continue, but not on the ytsejam anymore. This is NOT the music
theory mailing list. I know sometimes discussions like this come up
and I don't mind, but this is out of control, so it ends now.
thankyouverymuch,
Skadz
-- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:11:46 +0100 From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE songtitles... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981021201146.00918d00@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Hello, I was just wondering if there is an LTE FAQ so I could find out where they came up with the song titles, I mean, it must be difficult to put a title to an instrumental track, right? Saying that, they've done it *perfectly* with Kindred Spirits, Freedom Of Speech, and most obviously State Of Grace. Am I the only one who believes that the last third of Kindred Spirits actually makes them want to play the song to their own personal kindred spirit, someone who thinks and feels the same as you??? That's what it makes me want to do, everytime, I just need to find my kindred spirit now so I can play it to her....
Chris Parnham ______________________________________________________________________
ICQ: 5714076 IRC: Insania
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:21:29 -0700 From: Michael_R_Kizer@csc.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New Message Board, testers needed... Message-ID: <072566A4.0069C992.00@cscmail.csc.com>
I have put up a new Message Board system on my website, and would like some people to go check it out and let me know what you think. The link is: http://www.ivorygate.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro
This is currently the free version of this board software, but it looks pretty good, so I'll probably be getting the commercial version as soon as I can scrape up the money (in between new CD releases!) The commercial version has many more features, which I think are really cool (searching, etc.).
I currently have forums set up for Fates Warning, Dream Theater, Other Bands, Trading Post, and one for YtseRadio (good suggestion saveur!), let me know if you have ideas for any others (especially if you wish to be the moderator).
~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:32:27 +0200 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Iron Maiden Message-ID: <001e01bdfd29$8b2cd6e0$24836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
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Dear Dale...
I just wanted to let you know, that i read you piece in the 'jam about = Maiden..... I need to tell you that I am as much as an IM fan as I am a DT fan.... = And I don't mean fan .... I mean... FAN!
So I totally agree with your words in the jam... If you have any comments about Irin Maiden, or you need tips or = answers.....=20 I have got all the albums, all singles, basically all songs they ever = released... Plus a lot of magazines and stuff...... I could tell you = anything.....
You're the first person though that tells me about the strange = "Nicko-message" on the Piece Of Mind Album......
I am a drummer and I started dumming after hearing Nicko play on = "Somewher In Time"..... It's a classic....
Ask me anything.......
Please mail me at dl@xs4all.nl.... Be(a)st wishes..
Dennis Leeflang....
P.S. I apologise for not having adapted my email-settings, But I have no = clue how to..... Anyone help...?
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<META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dear Dale...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I just wanted to let you know, that = i read you=20 piece in the 'jam about Maiden.....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I need to tell you that I am as much = as an IM=20 fan as I am a DT fan.... And I don't mean fan .... I mean... = FAN!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>So I totally agree with your words = in the=20 jam...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>If you have any comments about Irin = Maiden, or=20 you need tips or answers..... </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I have got all the albums, all = singles,=20 basically all songs they ever released... Plus a lot of magazines and=20 stuff...... </FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I could tell you=20 anything.....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You're the first person though that tells me about = the strange=20 "Nicko-message" on the Piece Of Mind Album......</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am a drummer and I started dumming after hearing = Nicko play=20 on "Somewher In Time"..... It's a = classic....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Ask me anything.......</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Please mail me at <A=20 href=3D"mailto:dl@xs4all.nl">dl@xs4all.nl</A>....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Be(a)st wishes..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dennis Leeflang....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>P.S. I apologise for not having = adapted my=20 email-settings, But I have no clue how to..... Anyone=20 help...?</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: portnoy rulz Message-ID: <19981021193118.9910.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
> Three cheers for Mike Portnoy and EVERYONE in DT, everyone who has EVER played > in/with DT and EVERYONE ELSE who has contributed to their side-projects. > I personally CANNOT get enough of DT and any side-project they do. > > Mr Portnoy, if there were no side-projects (or DT) I for one would be VERY > disillusioned with most of the music scene and would probably GIVE UP!!! > > Sorry about all the capital letters but I HAD TO SAY >SOMETHING!!!!
Here Here. I'll second that!! Dream Theater is the kind of band that gives me hope for the music scene in general.
I am anxiously awaiting the new live DT cd, Liquid tension experiment 2, and anything else Mike Portnoy and the rest of the guys in DT care to give us for our listening enjoyment.
Long Live Dream Theater and their 'SuperGroups'!!!!!
== John
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:34:43 EDT From: JamaicaMon@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT Keyboards Message-ID: <1865bee3.362e3753@aol.com>
Hi.....This is my first post to the Jam. I just saw something about Sherinian getting the Boot. What is this all about and is it listed in any previous Jams? What could have brought this on? Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:39:34 -0600 From: "Washburn" <washburn@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: what stinks? I forgot to flush the toilet... Three days ago... Message-ID: <00ce01bdfcc6$00948720$320d84d0@korgx3>
>They were right,Geoff Tate was right too,Luv is never worth the pain that >you feel.Most girls are evil but then we're too,we cant blame them.Why the >FUCK cant we live without luv? I wanna get rid of it,it always hurts so >much.
What the hell? There's always something to love. Somepeople love watching operas. Some people love watching Stone Cold Steve Austin plant Vince McMahon facefirst into the mat. Some people *gasp* love their wives. I, personally, love anything that will willingly jusmp on my lap and let me lick it's ears clean. (God, I love my cat). Love is all around you, you can't hide from it. Every once in awhile it likes to reach out and grab you by the uvula and stick you to another being. It all depends on how much control over the situation you have as to whether love will give you an emotional lobotomy in the end. :) Now if I could only find a nice girl who wouldn't mind me licking her ears clean and I'd be set! :)
>3. Mike Portnoy when I'm out of line. What I said about him was rude, he >told me so, and now everything is cool. He's the best...
Well, I dunno. Props all go to Mikey, of course, but I'm still drooling over Paul Craddick. :) drool... Mike's atill a badass... drool... Where's my damn Encahnt CD's? drool... I've drooled anough over Mike P. in the past... drool... Drums intro to 6:00... ack! slother......
Wishing he could lick his own ears clean... -- KorgX3 is saliva deficient now... NP: Bafu Vai: With Myself
PS. Apologies about any delusional rantings... I think this fever I've had for 2 days has addled me somewhat. :)
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:56:39 -0700 (PDT) From: ytse jam <ytse_classics@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Top 20 Favorites (Classics) Message-ID: <19981021195639.1903.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com>
]From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
> could you define "classics"? I dunno about anyone else but I would > have just listed my fav cds, so if you could clarify I'd appreciate it :}
> ~Lisa
Lisa,
Your Top 20 favorites is exactly what we want! :o)
And once again:
Hello Ytsejammers!
It's time for another survey!
To participate in the survey, send a list of your Top 20 favorite recordings.
The survey will run until Oct. 31, 1998. Results will be posted on the ytsejam and on a DT website.
Send your list to: ytse_classics@yahoo.com
One list per person. Order of the list does not matter. Each recording will get one point. List each recording only once.
Example list (Artist - Title):
Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity Dream Theater - Awake The Rollins Band - The End of the Silence Def Leppard - Pyromania The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds The Beatles - Sargent Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band Snoop Doggy Dog - Doggy Style Judas Priest - Screaming for Vengeance The Police - Zenyatta Mondatta Sting - Nothing Like the Sun Peter Gabriel - Security Genesis - Duke Led Zeppelin - Presence Voivod - Nothingface Scorpions - Love at First Sting White Zombie - La Sexorcisto: Devil Music Vol 1 The Cure - Disintegration Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes Pantera - The Great Southern Trendkill Sade - Best of
It usually works best to make a large list over several days, and then narrow it down to 20 before you submit the list. This may keep you from forgetting something.
Don't send your list to the ytsejam! Once again, send to: ytse_classics@yahoo.com
Jam on!
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:57:02 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Polymeters..not a non existing time sig Message-ID: <19981021155149441@ix.netcom.com>
<<Tap 4 beats with one hand and in the same length of time tap 3 with the other, both hands tapping at an even pace. I can do it, I'm sure you can too. In fact I can wedge 4 beats where there should be 3. Pantera and Helmet can provide good examples.>>
I think you may be confusing this with polymeters, where one time sig is played over a different one. The end of Lie is like this, Petrucci is playing in 3/8 and the other guys are in 4/4 (according to the guitar tab, I dunno if thats right). Yes did this a lot too.
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:09:51 -0400 From: Barbara B <babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4360 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981021160951.00686884@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu>
> >Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:16:34 EDT >From: NikBrooks@aol.com >To: ytsejam@axnet.net >Subject: I Think Someone Owes Mike Portnoy a Public Apology!! >Message-ID: <91e4f82d.362e2502@aol.com>
Hello everyone, it's BABS. I wanted to give Kudos to the 'jammer that posted this.
I was shocked when I read the supergroup slam. I just couldn't believe how rude that was.
BABS
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:14:38 -0400 From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: PLEASE READ THIS. Message-ID: <001501bdfd2f$7cadd820$a0723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
I just wanted to nicely ask the people that post in MIME and HTML to PLEASE stop. I know that this has been hashed and re-hashed over and over again.. but to the new people and those that have refused to comply.. again, PLEASE stop posting with that format. I cannot read what you say because of all of the interuptions, not to mention that 2 or 3 people could post in normal format for all of the extra headers and footers and needless text that is posted with MIME or HTML. Jeremy Kube inflmmbl@tiac.net kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:22:11 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: this is funny..... Message-ID: <1998102116164646334@ix.netcom.com>
the longer and longer I read about this 5/12 crap, the more it reminds me about that big disscussion we had about music theory in general a few months back. Some people said that you couldnt venture outside of theory, some people said you could. This is the same type of disscussion
The fact of the matter is, the only numrical ways notes can be written (in a time sig) are 2 (half notes), 4(quarter notes), 8(eighth notes), 16 (16th notes), 32 (32nd notes), and 64 (64th ntoes). Any other strange rhythms dont result in time sigs with made up notes, but are in fact polymeters, one time sig played on top of another, resulting in multiple rhythms. As far as the conga drums, it really just sounds like the one guy was ACCENTING the 2nd note of a 5 pattern every 2 measures or so. You can do that too. About someone refering to a signature that means something to themselves is alright, but when you bring it to anyone else outside of your method of writting notes, time measures, etc. they will be utterly confused as 12th notes do not exist in the musical theory of the western world. The term of 4/4 being refered to as a "mother rhythm" is a good example. A very common way of saying 4/4 in standard notation would be "common time" (often refered to by a "C" where the time sig should be. I guess someone though, "well, 4/4 is probably the most common time signature, why dont we make another way of saying it "common time" the people Bafu refered to probably thought the same way, but called it "mother rhythm" instead. But if you went up to any musician that did not know this term for 4/4, they wouldnt know what you were talking about. Thats all I'm gonna say.
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:44:42 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Random stuff Message-ID: <362E47B9.7B6BCA98@ucla.edu>
Hey all. I for one didn't see Mads inquiring about an open bodied jazz guitar, but if anyone wants one and has $10,000, feel free to contact me. I have a 1939 Vega jazz guiat, all carved out of one piece of wood. Ever since I found out how much the damn thing is worth, I cant play it!!! Mike Portnoy, I love you man.. don't ever play with your shirt on. Speaking of Fate's Warning and the live APSoG sessions, anyone know who played keyboards for them earlier this year? I saw them at the Whiskey in Hollywood, and the keyboardist was phenomenal. He looked about 17, and he was playing with his eyes shut.
Cheers, Amanda
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:53:07 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: UAGM, and OiaLT Message-ID: <19981021164723419169@ix.netcom.com>
Hey, reading the guitar solo for UAGM, I noticed that (with the time sig in 4/4), Petrucci plays a string of 16th notes in groups of 11, but only two of these strings of 11 are in one measure. Can someone explain to me how to count this (and PLEASE dont give me a non-existant time sig ;-)
Also, watching a video in Global Studies today about ancient Rome, they showed an old theater that was ordered built by Agustus. they pulled out into an aerial shot and guess what? its the same thing on the head of that guy on the cover of OiaLT! Guessing that, Storm took this picture of a "theater" and put it inside this guy's head or mind, like a dream. a dream of a theater, or a Dream Theater. The hand, eye, mouth, and ear pattern would refer to the hands being the hands that play the instruments, with the mouth being James' voice. The person at a concert uses his eyes and ears to experience the band. I know this all sounds weird, but this is just how Storm thinks. I have his book. Just thought it was interesting.
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:55:04 -0700 From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Hopefully, the last word on SUPERGROUPS & MP Message-ID: <GGFAHBFFPCBDEAAA@my-dejanews.com>
I've already covered this in another email, but I thought this would better serve to keep me from becoming public enemy #1 on the jam.
Peace,
Mike
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DATE: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:28:48 ]From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: civilwar@my-dejanews.com
In a message dated 10/20/98 9:47:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, civilwar@my- dejanews.com writes:
<< NO SINGLE PERSON has done more for progressive metal/whatever-you-want-to- call-it in the last five or six years than you. Your support of DT and other bands has been tireless and I think everyone recognizes that, and if they don't they haven't been paying attention. Hi again Mike, Ahhhh, appreciation...I think that's all I ask for in return for all the work I put in.. : ) Thanks for these kind words.
<<<We just get so worked up when we get advance word of some of these projects/plans, and when they don't work out it's disappointing. I think that's the blessing and the curse of the internet - everyone knows way too much, way too quickly.
I agree, that's why I'm always so reluctant to mention anything before it's 100%. I'm as disappointed as anybody in the delay...
<< Of course, that's no reason to be hard one you and I'm sorry. I owe you and DT quite a bit, and jumping on you in public is not at all acceptable. >>
You don't owe me anything, I just appreciate the appreciation. (but if you want to run out first thing on Tuesday and buy the home video I won't mind!!)
Mike Portnoy
PS - I hope you don't mind the open response on the jam, but being a boxing fan I've learned to "protect yourself at all times"!!!
If you want to post this email, for people to see the rebuttles, I don't mind..It's up to you.
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