YTSEJAM Digest 4363
Today's Topics:
1) Portnoy "Incident"
by Vencer1@aol.com
2) Ytsejam vs. Mike??? This is against natural laws! :)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3) guitar gear
by "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
4) Mike P: Please don't hate us!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) Re: Portnoy "Incident"
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) Re: Fucking Bastards!! (Live Rush)
by "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
7) Sorry Dewd
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
8) Dream Theater and related items for sale
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
9) YEAH!
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4362
by AyameYuki@aol.com
11) Ytse classics
by AL <al@isd.net>
12) Consolidated nonsense
by AL <al@isd.net>
13) Re:DT Keyboards
by AL <al@isd.net>
14) stuff... final words...
by "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com>
15) Dear Korgy
by AL <al@isd.net>
16) Re: More geetar subject matter (NDTC)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
17) Stuff
by GaZ <icarus@sydney.net>
18) KX
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
19) Crossed Wires?
by Uroborosss@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:26:38 EDT
From: Vencer1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Portnoy "Incident"
Message-ID: <9c8b3570.362e7bbe@aol.com>
Much like the tone I adopted back in the "do we owe Dream Theater anything"
days of yore, I think this whole "we're so sorry, Mike" thing is lame. If Mike
P. wants to be a "normal" member of the ytsejam community, he has to navigate
the minefields like the rest of us. That includes morons flaming him and/or
making stupid accusations about him. Welcome to the club. Blatant ass-kissing
masked as posts in his defense is stupidity of the lowest order. No one (who
is not an egotistical asshole) likes to have has ass kissed ad nauseum. If
Mike decides to roll up his virtual sidewalk as a result of a few misguided
morons, well, while that would be a shame, it would also be "life."
CD of the Day: Veni Domine - Spiritual Wasteland
Kevin Madden
Detroit Red Wings - 1996-97, 1997-98 Stanley Cup Champions
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 02:36:22 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Ytsejam vs. Mike??? This is against natural laws! :)
Message-ID: <362E8C16.49002FB1@mol.com.mk>
> From: NikBrooks@aol.com
> Subject: I Think Someone Owes Mike Portnoy a Public Apology!!
You got that right!
> ARGH, you guys ALWAYS have to bitch!! You DON'T have a sense of humour and
> WHY do you ALWAYS go on about things for SOOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOONG????
Amen! :) How can someone possible send a 10KB post on 12th nore/5/12
stuff after 2 weeks major BORING discussion. Is it: "Hey, look at me I'm
good in this!"? :)
Compared to this KM vs. DS was interesting! :)))) Or does
> Three cheers for Mike Portnoy and EVERYONE in DT, everyone who has EVER played
> in/with DT and EVERYONE ELSE who has contributed to their side-projects.
Hip, hip! Horray!
Hip, hip! Horray!
Hip, hip! Horray!
> I personally CANNOT get enough of DT and any side-project they do.
ME TOO! Mike, you just keep on and hope we can celebrate LTE-10! :)
Yeehhaaa! ;)
And then we get a live album from LTE, and so on! :)
> Sorry about all the capital letters but I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING!!!!
> Nikki Brooks
NO SORRY NEEDED Nikki, they deserve it!!!!
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Later, CyberDuke
Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/
E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk
ICQ# 17392722
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:42:24 -0500
From: "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: guitar gear
Message-ID: <199810220042.SAA19664@smtpout2.bigplanet.com>
>I've found that for me,
>Rocktron and Mesa/Boogie are just THE SHIT
Right Fuckin' ON! I've got a replifex, Triaxis, simulclass 2:ninety, and
2x12 half-back. This is my absolute dream setup (at least until I get $5k
for that Eventide GTR 4000 with the huge LCD screen ;)
as far as amps go, though, Soldano make amazing stuff. I would have a hard
time not getting one of those if i got a regular amp.
James C. Shields
Aureus Records and Promotions
Phone: (512)478-8096
mobile: (512)626-7096
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:32:16 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Mike P: Please don't hate us!
Message-ID: <362E8B20.221F59E8@home.com>
Chris Ptacek wrote:
> The Dream Theater fans don't appreciate anything. We simply demand it,
> throwing band members into fits of suicidal depression, until they realize
> that they can screw us majestically by just intentionally waiting 5 years
> between albums-throwing US into fits of suicidal depression and petition
> making. :)
In some of the Jammers cases, that is sad but probably true. Doesn't
that just suck?
Mike P., I'm not quite sure what happened here (I missed several jams),
but I do know one thing: Myself, and many of the jammers greatly
appreciate everything you do! Your blood, sweat and tears are very
meaningful to us!
--- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:28:21 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Portnoy "Incident" Message-ID: <003e01bdfcf6$dff3e7a0$290d84d0@korgx3>
>the minefields like the rest of us. That includes morons flaming him and/or >making stupid accusations about him. Welcome to the club. Blatant
Yah, I've never really considered Mike to be a "normal" member. He just lurks around and gives us up to date info on what's going down. Can't say that I blame him fo anything. Of anyone, he has to avoid taking sides in any argument (a la 5/12 sigs) since if he actually did, he'd risk souring a few people in the attempt of proving his point. No matter who is right or wrong (if possible) there are always those that will consider another to be an absolute idiot if they don't take their side. If you know what I mean. That doesn't mean, however, that he doesn't read our posts and make certain judgements about any of us. :)
You see: KorgX3 hanging around the back door to the Saltaire in SLC, Utah. You see: Mike Portnoy emerge from said door and greet KorgX3 enthusiastically. You hear: "Hey Mike, would you mind autographing this CD? Just put, to my dear friend KorgX3, you rok nadz and stuff, Mike Portnoy) You see: Mike Portnoy flinch, make a sour look at KorgX3, and reach for his boxing gloves...
I dunno about any of you, but I think I'd enjoy deliberately pissing James off trying to sneak around for a peek at his ass. :) -- KorgX3 thinks James is a fucking jukebox, with a nice ass of course. :)
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:57:30 -0400 From: "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Fucking Bastards!! (Live Rush) Message-ID: <000701bdfd5f$67aaa900$59cb7ad1@artoo-detoo>
<<<<<So i'm working late and Limelight (that Rush tune) comes on the radio. I'm groovin'. Said killer song ends. As I reflect upon the coolness of all things Rush, the DJ casually announces that he's got a copy of the new Rush, Different Stages Live, AND he's going to play some of it right now! A wild whoop of joy reverberates from the walls of my office. Then, as Wild Koba might put it, I was anally raped. He played 5 seconds of audience noise, then stopped the CD, saying smugly, "OK...I just played some of it." What a cocksmoker. Kindly forgive my venting. --an aural hand>>>>>>>
That sucks. I feel bad because I was listening to the radio in the car the other evening, and I actually had the thought of "Gee, the new live Rush album should be getting some play time pretty soon; I wish I could here some." Having thought that, I turned my dial to 100.7 WZLX (Boston's classic rock) and what should my disbelieving ears hear but the tail end of (a clearly *live* performance of) "Presentation" (Part IV of Rush's "2112" for those who don't know); I had managed to catch ZLX in the middle of playing 2112 in its entirety, off of Different Stages (as was soon clear by the fact that "Oracle: The Dream" was included). I was as pleased as punch. I await with anticipation equalling that for Once in a LIVEtime.
Chris
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:21:02 -0500 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Sorry Dewd Message-ID: <362E968E.79E352A1@wavetech.net>
>1 measure. 4 beats per measure. 3 notes per beat. Twelve notes total. >TWELFTH NOTES. >It's your language, ladies and gentlemen.* It's your music, too. If some >jackass can play in a time signature that isn't 4/4 and go "I think I'll call >it... PROGRESSIVE!" then YOU have the right to say something even simpler than >that by piecing together THIS ---> "Twelve notes per measure... Equally >dispersed...Three notes per beat... I think I'll call them... TWELFTH NOTES!" -- Sorry dewd, those would be eighth note triplets. Either that or yer in 12/8. Sure, there are 12 notes, but that doesn't make them 12th notes. Anyway, I've said all I'm gonna say on the subject. Agree or not, it's quite obvious that 12th notes don't exist.
So on a different note ('scuse the pun :), I just got the LTE and it kicks shit!!
-K
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:37:56 -0500 From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Dream Theater and related items for sale Message-ID: <362E9A84.52D4B5F7@uiuc.edu>
New Items Added
Check them out at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=polzin
More to show up this week so check back often.
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:49:46 -0500 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: YEAH! Message-ID: <362E9D4A.91D764C2@wavetech.net>
>Example: 6/8 - TWO beats per measure, dotted eighth gets the beat. >If you were to talk twelfth notes, where does the beat divide? If you >had 5/12, there would be NO way to divide the beat... --
Well Im glad at least some of us get it. Hey, great explination, but just so no one gets confused, in 6/8 there are two beats and a dotted quarter gets the beat, not an eighth. :) ---
>Anyway, the woman said "Forget 7-16, check DIS." and she signaled to >some guys on her right and began what was a repeating pattern of 5 >hits, with every 12th hit being accented by her accompanying conga >drummers. Keep in mind, the only way this was consciously...blah blah >blah... --
Great story, but that still wasn't 5/12 time. Measures of five notes played over and over again with an accent every 12 notes is simply 5/8 time with an accent every 12 8th notes. Or 5/16 with the accents, or 5/4 or 5/32 or 5/64...get the point? Do you even know why we have a system of music notation???! So we can write down coherent music! If you want to disregard this and just play whatever you want, more power to ya! But if you are ever going to write any music at all, I suggest you brush up on your theory. Otherwise no one is going to know what you are babbling about. Okay, NOW I'm done.
-K
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:17:04 EDT From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4362 Message-ID: <baaaffe4.362ea3b0@aol.com>
hey you jammers :
who cares about the difference between metric and ametric music ? HELL WE DO ! LOL
seriosly folks,i prefer ametric : the weirder the meter , the better. the harder you people hafta count! HAHAHAHAHH I RULE!
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:33:24 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Ytse classics Message-ID: <362EB594.515412CE@isd.net>
IMHO, I think the top 20 albums of all time should be limited to one entry per band. Otherwise it's just too damn slanted. Anyone else agree?
-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "There may be some things that are better than sex, and their may be some things that are worse. But there is nothing exactly like it." --W.C. Fields
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:02:08 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Consolidated nonsense Message-ID: <362EBC50.6F08732@isd.net>
You fools! Don't you know that the 16th note is the "bakers dozen" of a 12th note? It's simple math once you factor in the yeast quotient.
And now for something completely different... I have a friend that is trying to locate Lilian Axe - "Love And War." Any format will do. Well.... No 8 tracks :) My friend and I would be indebted to you for any assistance in locating this illusive album.
Flash Ytse-quiz: Name that tune!
"I look at you and I know who you are you're just a little bit too far from my home"
Well... I'm waiting for an answer.........zzzzz
NP: Flim and the BB's - New Pants -- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "There may be some things that are better than sex, and their may be some things that are worse. But there is nothing exactly like it." --W.C. Fields
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:28:49 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re:DT Keyboards Message-ID: <362ED0A1.32150329@isd.net>
JamaicaMon wrote: >Hi.....This is my first post to the Jam. I just saw something about Sherinian >getting the Boot. What is this all about and is it listed in any previous Jams? That was just hypothetical verbal diarrhea. (something the jam occasionally has in surplus) There has been nothing to indicate Derek is leaving DT. >What could have brought this on? Thanks. Stupidity?
-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "There may be some things that are better than sex, and their may be some things that are worse. But there is nothing exactly like it." --W.C. Fields
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:06:45 PDT From: "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: stuff... final words... Message-ID: <19981022070646.9788.qmail@hotmail.com>
Well, I for one LOVE the new DT font. Don't really care for the cover, though... I wish they'd go back to the epic style like IAW and Awake.
And did I mention that quite some time ago, I decided that UACM was the best DT site anyway? So it only seemed logical it would later be designated the official site. And Mark is like the only person I know of who really tries to keep things updated...
MULTI-PASS!!! Live 2CD in LESS THAN A WEEK!!!
And now I've decided to give in. Nothing is real. The world is made of glass and I am a brain in a jar. So now I am going to go fly through a mountain and then bathe on the surface of the sun.
The point is that certain things are simply theoretically impossible in the limits of our physical way of life as with our systems of communication. We would need to rewrite history and our entire system of life as we know it 2 change that. Were we aliens with a completely different world, this would all be different. But we're here - on Planet Earth. Like it or not.
..And I just KNOW OIALT is going 2 B #1 on that top 20 contest!
I'll let you know when I have a preliminary...
-maX
______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 02:24:08 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dear Korgy Message-ID: <362EDD97.97FC13FA@isd.net>
Dear Korgy,
How does a Scotsman find a sheep in tall grass?
/Al suspects this could be a setup. <grin>
-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "There may be some things that are better than sex, and their may be some things that are worse. But there is nothing exactly like it." --W.C. Fields
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:50:35 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: More geetar subject matter (NDTC) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981022002447.006f5ba8@postoffice.syspac.com>
Thomas Forcier wrote: >And if I'm not mistaken, isn't the Triaxis just a >pre-amp? So I'd have to get a power amp too... Now I'm getting scared. :-{ >So I should check out Mesa, Marshall, and Laney. That should keep me busy >through Christmas...
Well, yeah, the Mesa TriAxis is a preamp. BUT, you have to understand that in this realm of merchandise you really DO get what you pay for. A simple, full-on Mesa component system is gonna cost you $2000-$4000 dollars. Yer talking $1400 for the TriAxis, either $700 for the Mesa 50/50 power amp or another $1400 for the simul-class 2:90, and then getting a good 4x12 which will usually run you between $500 and $800. My preference in speaker cabs is the cabs equipped with celestion 30s. Their sound really has some bite to it. Basically, the best one's I've seen are the Marshall 1960 cab, the Crate blue voodoo (make SURE it's celestion equipped), and the Mesa Rectifier cab. The latter you can ever get bulletproofed for some damn reason :) I'd say try out a whole batch of preamps and power amps, while still not ruling out the great amp heads on the market. Amp heads are not as versatile, usually, but the good ones make up for it with some kickass tone, especially the Mesa Dual Rectifier IMO. When I bought my preamp, I tried out the ADA MP-1, the Marshall JMP-1, the Mesa TriAxis, the Rocktron Voodoo Valve, the Rocktron Chameleon, the Mesa V-Twin, and the Rocktron Pirhanna (along w/ some really cheesy ones that I won't bother to mention). I must say I dig the super high gain sound of the Pirhanna the best of all of them, and I thought the TriAxis had the best clean tone I'd ever heard. However, I decided to buy the Chameleon because the tone was really rich and it had more bang for the buck than anything else I tried out (being priced around $700 when I bought it). I really did not like the ADA or the Marshall when I played through them, but I've heard many recordings where they sounded awesome. Like Metallica's black album or Megadeth's Youthanasia, for example. As for power amps, I used to like solid state because of the long-term durability and low maintenance, but they compromise the sound too much. About two years ago or so I became a staunch believer in the tube god, Valvus ((c) Eckie creations, 1997). Now, I won't play anything BUT all-tube power amps. My mesa 50/50 sounds incredible.
See ya laterz!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://members.xoom.com/obscuremetal/ | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 00:59:06 +1000 From: GaZ <icarus@sydney.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <3614EA3A.2651E31E@sydney.net>
Ray Gillan: Sung on the demo's which became 'The Eternal Idol' album he was replaced by Tony Martin. Yes there is a bootleg around with these demo's on it.
Fan Club: It still amazes me the people don't read the damned fanzine and hafta ask questsions here, when all the answers are in the same place in every single issue......
FC CD 98: Please if you know the contents, don't put it on your web page or post it here without a warning/spoilers, as Scarred Records did on their web page.........
thank you and goodnight GaZ
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 02:05:43 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: KX Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E6DE@ms.kallback.com>
So how is the new King's X cd? I guess I'll find out Friday since I assume they'll play many songs from it live.
Trevor NP: Uli Jon Roth-Aquila Suite-12 Arpeggio Concert Etudes for Solo Piano
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:33:37 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Crossed Wires? Message-ID: <2db1f501.362efbf1@aol.com>
This struck me as humorous. Did anyone else catch this? Keep in mind that the content here is about a strange twist in an argument, NOT a CONTRIBUTION to that argument. I will not attack or defend the BANNED subjects of */* time or **th notes (numbers left out to avoid getting castrated). I will make no further statements about [removed. -kbibb]
This thing I wrote:
>1 measure. 4 beats per measure. 3 notes per beat. Twelve notes total. > TWELFTH NOTES.
was replied to with this, by Andrew Coutermarsh:
> THAT'S IT! I've finally realized what you're having the problem understanding > is. When you determine a time signature, you're not discussing how many > notes per measure there are. You're discussing HOW MANY NOTES PER > BEAT there are.
The post to which this man refers was about 12th notes. It wasn't about time signatures. Somehow he thought I was talking about the 5/12 issue when the post was about 12th notes. ???
Then Correct Man posted this:
> And to answer the question, trumpets playing ABCDE ABCDE ABCDE... with > a cymbal crash on the 12th beat does NNOOTT make the ABCDE from the > trumpets 12th notes!!!
Again, this is in reference to something I posted. Strangely, the post Correct Man is referring to here was called "5/12 Is Easy As Pie." It was about 5/12 time, not 12th notes. 16th notes can be played in 4/4 time, yet there are no 16s in that 4/4 time signature. So what made Correct Man think that a post about 5/12 time had anything to do with 12th notes? ???
Please pay attention to the "subject:" heading before replying.
Then Steve Z. the magic-bean seller chimed in with:
> BAFU IS NO FUCKING GUARANTEE!!!!!!! :)
Amen! :)
Bafu Vai
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