YTSEJAM Digest 4365
Today's Topics:
1) Undeliverable: YTSEJAM digest 4364
by "Microsoft Exchange Connector for Lotus cc:Mail" <IMCEACCMAIL-Microsoft+20Exchange+20Connector+20for+20Lotus+20cc+3AMail+20at+20Exch+5FSeattle+5FPO@GOLDER.com>
2) Korg and Mike
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
3) Re: More geetar subject matter
by Chris Steidel <steidelc@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US>
4) Dream Theater and related items for sale
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
5) Classic Rock Magazine
by GaZ <icarus@sydney.net>
6) aha! proof!
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
7) Re: IGOT IT!!!!!
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
8) Lie Single
by Jim <roadie@inct.net>
9) and this is where boots take off the legs
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
10) egads
by Chris Oates <aspect@tinagh.org>
11) new DT boot
by GaZ <icarus@sydney.net>
12) Black Sabbath Featuring Tony Iommi
by "Christian A Schulze" <killmary@mailexcite.com>
13) Scarred Records
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
14) happiness is....
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
15) Top 20!
by ytse jam <ytse_classics@yahoo.com>
16) OnceinaLIVEtime
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
17) Portnoy Clinic in Phoenix
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
18) Review your page? / Let's do the album too then....
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:33:34 -0700
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:01:37 PDT
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Korg and Mike
Message-ID: <19981023000138.18091.qmail@hotmail.com>
KorgX3 wrote:
MaX the ytse-nazi thus chimed:
>If you don't even know what a time signature is, then shut up about it!
I agree. If you've never met God, you shouldn't be allowed to believein
Him. The same goes for Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Bigfoot, etc...
Now I don't know if you were just joking around, but I've seen you be an
ass before.
I am NOT a fucking Nazi! I would think that would be very clear the way
I attack them. I HATE Nazis.
But I love the Germans. They gave us Cusco, KMFDM, Ramms+ein, and
Tangerine Dream. And they are for the most part NOT nazis.
And you got the whole point wrong too. First of all, I believe in God.
Maybe you don't. But I would NOT enter a religious debate without
knowing anything about it. I DO, so that's why I participate.
But since I know nothing about most sports, I do not debate sports with
people. It's as easy as that.
----------------
Now, I feel a need 2 respond 2 whoever said that Mike should "stand his
own" here, and that he should have 2 deal with flames and stuff.
WRONG!
If this were a Fates Warning list, then yes. He should get no special
treatment.
But, as I keep trying to say, this is a list for FANS OF DREAM THEATER.
It's for people who respect and admire DT.
So then it is completely WRONG to directly insult them.
Sometimes, if you think one of them is being a jerk, sure, voice your
opinion. There's nothing wrong with saying what you believe.
It's another thing to flame them directly.
More later, watch this space...............
LIVE 2CD TUESDAY!!!!!!!!!!!
-maX
tangerine DREAM theater!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:55:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Steidel <steidelc@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: More geetar subject matter
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981022205153.17528A-100000@musashi>
I definately agree on the EMG-81. I just had one installed in my RG-550
and it gets an impressive sound, even through my Mesa subway blues.
Definately not a blues pickup, but an RG isn't used for much outside of
the wonderful prog-rock/metal/shred/distorted-musical-explosion category
of music (however the hell we define it.)
-Chris
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:59:15 -0500
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dream Theater and related items for sale
Message-ID: <362FE2F3.70C561D@uiuc.edu>
New Items Added Again.
Check them out at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=polzin
More to show up this week so check back often.
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 00:41:13 +1000
From: GaZ <icarus@sydney.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Classic Rock Magazine
Message-ID: <3614E609.A4A9FCB5@sydney.net>
If there is anyone in the UK that can send me a copy of this
magazine I'd be eternally grateful.
I can offer either cash or a couple of CDR's (DT, Angra, Rush or
Savatage) boots in return or whatever your after.
Thanks
GaZ
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:31:53 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: aha! proof!
Message-ID: <002701bdfe46$71f83660$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
i was browsing through the liner notes of OiaL, and i noticed, in the thanks
part, where all the band members thank their wives and children... derek
only thanks "george sherinian". aha! can you say... hootenanny?!? i knew
it!!! moo.
p.s. since it seems i have to include these in order to avoid pissing off
more people than normal, this is the official "i'm kidding" disclaimer. i
know george is probly dereks father or brother or sumfin, and since i'm
trying to kill any reason anyone might have for flaming me, i have nothing
wrong with hootenannies either. don't think there was anything else even
mildly offensive about that... i'm sure someone will find something tho :)
moo.
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:47:07 +0200
From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: IGOT IT!!!!!
Message-ID: <001d01bdfe51$0704c0c0$41856dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Well it's me again.......!
This morning when I cheked my mail, I found out that I've been so exited
last night, my grammar sucked....
So..... to avoid misunderstandings:
"sail" should have been "sale".....
"lying" should have been "laying"
(You might even send it in for a comic nomination...)
And yes..... It got late last night....... WOW.........
Off to work..... Ta da
Dennis "Stickmaster D." Leeflang
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 02:05:46 -0500
From: Jim <roadie@inct.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Lie Single
Message-ID: <36302ACA.D73EB944@inct.net>
Forgive me if this is in a FAQ somewhere, but if it is, I have missed
it...
I have a copy of the Lie single that is labeled "For Promotional Use
Only", it is in the cardboard "DigiPak" and has only the song "Lie" on
it. The CD it self has the Majesty symbol printed on it.
Is this CD worth more than the "non-Promotional" CD. or is it just
another single?
THANKS!
NP: LTE (wow, did I say wow? I meant WOW!!)
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:48:36 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: and this is where boots take off the legs
Message-ID: <19981023084836.13640.qmail@hotmail.com>
When still life was found sitting in my mailbox, I emmitted some kind of
weird noise (internally, of course, since there were people
around)......i was genuinely looking forward to hearing Fates Live.....I
have a couple of tapes fromm the apsog tour, and saw the show myself on
two occasions, but dammit, it's fates live, and it kicks all ass.....
of course, I hadn't heard any of IGOD live, so there was that huge thing
to look forward to.....I'd never heard a two-guitar fates attack in any
kind of live version, because (and the contents of my mailbox might
prove me a liar, since i haven't checked that edifice in a day or two),
before still life was released, I had but two Fates bootlegs (the
aforementioned apsog tapes)
that ain't the case with Dream Theater. I have enough, strike that, more
than enough material from the FII tour to satisfy me (all of two items,
take that as you may) and my DT craving.....I had OiaL preordered from
one of the on-line places, then I went back and tried to use the ten
dollar discount y'all mentioned earlier this week.....I picked up Live
after Death (2 disc, enhanced version) to replace my long-lost and
lamented cassette) and when they suggested I combine orders to save
shipping charges and I discovered that the sum total was more than
separate purchases (because i lost the roadie quiz discount :( I had to
drop one of those items, LaD or OiaL
Oial didn't make the cut
now, if you're smart, or otherwise recall the terms of the ten dollar
discount, you'll realize that that isn't as heinous a call as it seems,
and you'll keep flamage to a minimum, or reasonable fascimile thereof.
but then i started thinking about it, and i realized that I might have
made the same call, regardless of $20 minimum purchase rules inherent in
the $10 discount......
and i think this is why: I've already heard most of what I'm going to
get in Once in a Livetime......sure, it's better quality, sure, it's a
special show, special setting, but apart from a few good moments, I've
heard the stuff on boots, or I've seen it at the two shows I've been
fortunate to see DT play
sorta reminds me of when ACOS came out, with those of us who'd heard the
earlier version comparing it to the EP version, and finding one or the
other better.......at the time, I couldn't decide whether having that
comparison availble to me, beforehand, was good or not.....i ended up
thinking that it didn't matter, I was damn glad to have new Dream
Theater available to me........
but that was.....geeez.....over three years ago
my DT fandon was less than half as old as it is now, and my ytsejam
existence (and therefore access to boots) was barely 6 months old
Even though I had heard ACoS, I was still as hyped as anyone over the
EPs release......and that's just not the case with OiaL
I'm not sure whether that has more to do with the argument I'm hinting
at here (i've heard it on the boots, therefore, i can't get exceited
over the same old stuff) or the fact that FII has worn very badly for
me, failing to hit last years top 5 in my head, rarely if ever getting
spun these days.......maybe it's just the material that doesn't get me
going?
then again, it could just be a familiarity crisis, who knows?
I want to make absolutely clear that said bootlegs are not going to stop
me from buying OiaL, of that, there ain't no doubt......but maybe I'm
just not excited about it as I might have been had I had no other
experience with DT live outside of those two shows and what they put
out on record........
partha
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:08:20 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@tinagh.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: egads
Message-ID: <199810231014.FAA24772@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com>
>This shows how little you know. You guys admit that you know nothing,
>and then try to argue it.
You see, the problem with the world is all those people _thinking_ and
_being_right_ all the time. If we just thought less and _felt_ more, then
we'd all be happy. :)
Sorry, I'm reading Atlas Shrugged right now ... Just had to say that. ;)
Ayn Rand rocks.
~Chris
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@tinagh.org
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\_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my |
/__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" |
// \ | \\ ----+
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 05:14:51 +1000
From: GaZ <icarus@sydney.net>
To: the moanjam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: new DT boot
Message-ID: <3615262B.8AC9FFA2@sydney.net>
Does anyone know the contents of a DT boot called:
'TRIAL OF SINGLES' Cat AMCY 4711
which says in brief:
COMPILATION OF B-SIDES, NON-ALBUM TRAX & RARE LIVE TRAX, EXC.
GaZ
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:49:19 -0700
From: "Christian A Schulze" <killmary@mailexcite.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Black Sabbath Featuring Tony Iommi
Message-ID: <PMJOAAGDMPEFAAAA@mailexcite.com>
In my last post about Black Sabbath, I made a
mistake. It was Glenn Hughes singing on that
"Black Sabbath Featuring Tony Iommi" CD, and
not Ray Gillen. Ray Gillen had his vocals on
The Eternal Idol and they were substituted by
Tony Martin (am I the only one that thinks
Tony Martin actually does kick ass?).
Meow (am I not TheCatGod?)
Chris
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:34:04 -0400
From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Scarred Records
Message-ID: <363093DC.5AAAC14B@seacoast.com>
What's the URL for Scarred Records again?
Thanks
Bob
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:36:34 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: happiness is....
Message-ID: <19981023143634.11038.qmail@hotmail.com>
an echolyn video :)
apparently, when they were touring back in 95, their detroit stop was
captured for a cable show), a few minutes of it anyway (maybe 30?) and I
am now the happy posessor of such a tape......
man, that came in way handy at 3 am, after I finally got done doiniig
somethinig I had idiotically believed i could finish by 11 PM, and
realized that I had better stay at my lab/classroom building all night
rather than walk the streets of detroit city at 3 am.....
the lounge has a pool table and a VCR equipped big ole TV, and I was a
happy camper, or as happy as I could be going on 32 hours sans
sleep.....(did i mention that i was an idiot for watching the video and
staying awake all night rather than trying to catnap in the lounge??)
anyway, there is one more musically related note to this wallowing
exercise in self-pity......the guy who hooked me up with said tape is in
a band of his own, the Detroit-based House of Usher. Richard Kaczynski
on keys (my stats prof from last winter, of all things), Mark Evans,
formerly of Tiles on drums, and three other guys whose names i can't
recall right now (see the part above about lack of sleep).....anyway,
the prof was nice enough to add a few minutes of a House of Usher
performance at the end of the tape, some cool, early ELP-ish (in the
interest of defining a nice-pigeonhole for all you label obsessed freaks
out there) type of sounds from what little i heard.....of course, in the
prog realm, a few minutes is as likely as not to be a single song.....
House of Usher just got done mastering their CD, the prof held off
giving me a cd-r of the rough mix becausue the mastering apparently
worked wonders, but I'll be sure to tell you about it when I get my
hands on it....he mentioned something about a January official
release.....
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
wordier than thou
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: ytse jam <ytse_classics@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Top 20!
Message-ID: <19981023165721.3779.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com>
Hey ytsejammers!
It's time for all you "old-timers" with the gigantic collections to
put in your votes! Submit a list of your Top 20 all-time favorite
recordings.
The survey will run until Oct. 31, 1998. Results will be posted on the
ytsejam and on a DT website, where we can reference them when anybody
wants a recommendation.
Send your list to: ytse_classics@yahoo.com
Example list (Artist - Title):
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Deep Purple - Machine Head
Fates Warning - Awaken the Guardian
Dream Theater - Awake
Metallica - Ride the Lightning
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Metallica - ...And Justice for All
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Judas Priest - Defenders of the Faith
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
Sanctuary - Refuge Denied
Pantera - Vulgar Display of Power
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
Queensryche - The Warning
Rush - 2112
Sepultura - Chaos A.D.
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Tool - Undertow
Testament - The Legacy
Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
It usually works best to make a large list over several days, and then
narrow it down to 20 before you submit the list. This may keep you
from forgetting something.
One list per person.
List each recording only once.
Order of the list does not matter. Each recording will get one point.
Don't send your list to the ytsejam! Once again, send to:
ytse_classics@yahoo.com
Jam on!
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:26:21 +0200
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: OnceinaLIVEtime
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981023172621.006cfe68@unet.univie.ac.at>
hey there!
i just got OIAL, and it is totally kickass!!!!
hehehe
just had to get rid of that, think the discussion will start next week, but
i dont think there is anything you can say against it!!!
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download my ingenious demo at http://www.users.cloud9.net/~textral/dryheat.html
Dryheat (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:22:06 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>,
Subject: Portnoy Clinic in Phoenix
Message-ID: <3630BB3E.D3E0C4F@goodnet.com>
Hey all AZ Jammers... Portnoy's clinic in Phoenix will be at Gibson's in Tempe
(I guess it is close to Mill Ave. and 3rd or 5th) this coming Monday (I think
doors open around 6pm (call the Guitar Center in Tempe for details)... I'll be
driving up for it, probably wearing a Ytsejam shirt so flag me down and say
hi... I am sure the usual Phoenix metalhead crew will be there, right Vinnie,
Eckie, et al? :-)
NP: Dalbello "Whomanfoursays" -- with the original version of "Gonna Get Close
To You" that Queensryche covered on Rage For Order... pretty trippy stuff...
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<------------------------------
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:43:50 +0200 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Review your page? / Let's do the album too then.... Message-ID: <000501bdfeb5$153e9300$01876dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Ok. very cool site indeed...... Nice Pictures, lay-out, info, tips, but..... "only 3 days until the release"? Well when will that be then? I have had my very own copy right here for almost 2 days now.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well I can tell you..... This live-album is a breakthrough in live-album-history..... It is a lesson in NOT playing your songs exactly like you did on your albums, but playing 'em the way you feel like, fool around with 'em, basically "play" the audience, and let people still be able to know what's going on up there.... This is THE ultimate live album so far....... So even when you think you have all the songs of these killah dudez..... you don't! There is so much going on on the album.... You just have to have it.....
Let me do a Ytsejam, DT fan, mad man -forecast...... I myself have in my band a singer pretty simulair to James..... I know that the kind of singing James does, is a kind of not being able to sing everything the same way everytime (isn't that what we love about him?).... Though I predict James' reward for being very honest, and not fuck around with his vocals in a studio, will be that you lot will be complaining your asses off about a little note here and there that wasn't completely in tune..... Well in advance I'd like to say to James: You did superb, and I'm sure there's nobody out there that can do it better than you... That's why YOU are the DT-singer....!!!!
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