YTSEJAM Digest 4371
Today's Topics:
1) Fates- Still life
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) ATTN keyboard players
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
3) OIAL
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
4) Widespread Panic
by "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
5) Re: remove from list
by "<((>< ..:..::.." <artt@penn.com>
6)
by "JOSKOE" <joskoe@rendo.dekooi.nl>
7) Re: OIAL
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
8) Tool-Smashing Pumpkins similarity?
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
9) NUNO + EXTREME MP3...
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
10) Re: Music Blvd thanks.
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
11) Re: The Dreaded Amputating Bootleg
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
12) Re: NUNO + EXTREME MP3...
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
13) Getting OiaLT earlier than others/Fates "Still Life"
by ShadowBor@aol.com
14) Going on w/the mp3 discussion...
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
15) OIAL frustration and Yes...
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
16) CD now quiz
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
17) Rack processors (NDTC)
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
18) HAHAHAHA I GOT THE FUCKING CD!
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
19) Re: MP Fessed Up On This One
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
20) (spoiler)/misheard shoutings
by "sQuack" <squack@primus-online.de>
21) Re: HAHAHAHA I GOT THE FUCKING CD!
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
22) It's HERE! (no spoilers) / Favorite CD's
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:08:57 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: Ytsejam Mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Fates- Still life
Message-ID: <3634C8C9.17D6DD57@caribe.net>
I just received it... so far so.. GREAT!
Just one question, is Joey vera NOT a full time member of fates?
I ask this cuz on the liner notes, everyone gets 2 pages of pics for each
guy, and Joey only gets 1/3 of a single page shared with the extra guitar
player and the keyboard player ( not full time members )
--"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:37:35 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: ATTN keyboard players Message-ID: <3634C16E.C854DB3@netvision.net.il>
Hi there,
Does anyone know a good place to find some Hammond organ 'presets'? I mean the drawbar settings, the 9-digit number that goes like 888000008...
Thanx,
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | ICQ #16353527 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------
In an infinite Universe, there's no such thing as "there's no such thing".
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:40:45 +0100 From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: OIAL Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981026184045.006cab94@unet.univie.ac.at>
so thats it now! DT do us the favour and release a wonderful live double album, and some people (no names, no flames :) ) prefer to buy mydyingbride stuff instead. hmm. this really makes me sad. and i also dont understand those people. not buying cds means no support. then you ask why we dont have dt on the radio/tv (hell beware!). if even fans are not willing to buy albums? where is this gonna lead to? it really sounds frightning when so called dt fans claim their shows to be static and not very exciting. are you a fan or not? i really like OIAL, and i am sure a lot of others will. and even if you have thousands of boots (which is cool, id love to have more as well) the official release is the thing the band gets money from. and i think the new live album is also a good thing for those new to dt, because its (except for the missing WDADU, btw, i can understand that they get bored of playing that stuff, doing PMU a 1000 times live already must also be boring) representative for what theyve done up to now. for the fans it gives a cool live experience in high quality sound (btw, i noticed that the drummers perspecitve mix is cool, cos now i get to hear Petrucci better- when listening to in the carhifi!!!). another thing for the live shows. as far as i remember dt have played every song they ve ever written (except for one or two) live. so there has to be some changes. and hell - the medley at the end always gets me! if you want more diversity on stage, go to a free jazz gig. NP:Dream Theater OnceinaLIVEtime (in the car) --------- download my ingenious demo at http://www.users.cloud9.net/~textral/dryheat.html
Dryheat (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:37:00 -0600 From: "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Widespread Panic Message-ID: <199810261839.LAA12443@smtpout1.bigplanet.com>
>That's what's always attracted me to "jam" >bands like Widespread Panic. You never see the same show twice. Hell, yeah! Widespread kicks ass! They're playing here in Austin this tuesday. It kinda sucks, though, 'cause I'm the only one of my friends who likes them, and my friends aren't going to pay $25 to see a band they don't listen to. oh, well. maybe I'll go by myself to unwind after my english midterm. but damn, I also have to watch 5YiaL and listen to OiaL, so I'm gonna be busy that day.
James C. Shields Aureus Records and Promotions Phone: (512)478-8096 mobile: (512)626-7096
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:45:18 -0500 From: "<((>< ..:..::.." <artt@penn.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: remove from list Message-ID: <000901be0110$c85b8c60$b10a06d0@user>
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:56:07 +0100 From: "JOSKOE" <joskoe@rendo.dekooi.nl> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Message-ID: <000301be0112$4a9a0700$6177ebc2@joskoe>
i hope now my settings are better.. so before i'm sure i'll post a 'little one'
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:55:59 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: OIAL Message-ID: <000801be0112$4542d700$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>is this gonna lead to? it really sounds frightning when so called dt fans >claim their shows to be static and not very exciting. are you a fan or not?
fans don't have to blindly like everythign a band does. Dt rocks but if their setlists are all the same then it's not a sin to mention it. nobody's perfect, remember?
>NP:Dream Theater OnceinaLIVEtime (in the car)
sending e-mail from the car? laptop with cellular modem? hmm... moo.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:04:52 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Tool-Smashing Pumpkins similarity? Message-ID: <3634C7D3.3C00B0A@ucla.edu>
This comment came right out of left field. As soon as I saw a comment that Silverfuck sounded like a Tool song that didnt quite make it onto Aenima, I popped in Siamese Dream. As a previous hardcore SP fan that has all their B-sides and everything ever put out by them basically, I can say that no way would I ever think this. Tool's style is much more distinctive... much more unpredicatble than intro-prechorus-chorus-bridge-chorus-outro. I guess thats what makes it a bit progressive. Don't get me wrong, I love the Pumpkins (until Adore anyway), but if Billy Corgan ever wrote a song in 7/8, he'd spontaneously combust trying to play it, and James Iha would have a brain hemmorage. However, both bands have great drummer. Im sure Im gonna get it for posting this, but I couldn't resist.
Amanda
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:06:45 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: NUNO + EXTREME MP3... Message-ID: <000901be0113$cda06580$36836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Hey Jammers...
Wow, since I noticed some of you guys are really into Nuno and Extreme, I thought I'd just throw on this link... Some cool Nuno and Extreme rareties and live stuff... Even some solo stuff on there. Will be hard to hold your slaver..... http://192.233.235.25/beandip/extreme/extreme.html
Stickmaster D.
P.S. My fellow Drummers should also check it out.... Mike "metronome" Mangini is kicking some serious butt on there...
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:25:15 -0600 (CST) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Music Blvd thanks. Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.981026132109.30650C-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
I double that.... =09I got Zappa=B4s "Cheap Thrills" (live album, with various songs from=20 different shows....i believe Vai and Keneally play in some) for $0.00=20 !!!!!
That=B4s right folks! Completely free.......that cd is listed at 4.89, plus= =20 S&H, like 7.98 total, minus the $10 discount, $-2.02, hey, wait. They=20 OWE me 2 bucks!!! :) Hurry up, it lasts till october 31 i think....
http://www.musicblvd.com/dominion
Mauricio
On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 Stixntrixx@aol.com wrote:
>=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks to whoever it was that posted about the $10 discount at Music Blvd= I > just ordered the new Harem Scarem CD "Big Band Theory." Total was only $= 21 > after shipping and handling. Not bad for an import.=20 >=20 > Richie >=20
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:29:59 -0700 From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: The Dreaded Amputating Bootleg Message-ID: <NKLLILAFBHFLFAAA@my-dejanews.com>
Adam Pye likes more 'jam-related' bands for the same reason I like DT.
I don't know - I have neither the time nor is it really worth the hassle for me to see a band, say, six or seven times on any given tour. Once is great, maybe twice. If most of DT's shows in any one given stretch of time are similar, it's no big deal - they are still a band that is CONSTANTLY messing with arrangements, treating nothing as untouchable (Alice's Tool Gargen, anyone?), and that's what I love about them.
Think of Rush. For years I lived near Chicago and had the opportunity to see them two nights in a row on any given tour. Each night, we got EXACTLY the same show WITHOUT funky arrangements or any spontineity whatsover. Still one of the all-time great live bands, but they are even more removed from the 'jam' mentality than DT. (Having said all that, I do however think that the TFE tour was probably the best I've ever seen them).
Buy OiaL!!!!!!! And the video!!!!!!!!
Mike Patrick
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:52:53 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: NUNO + EXTREME MP3... Message-ID: <3634D315.90F40AA3@wezl.org>
Dennis Leeflang wrote: > > Hey Jammers... > > Wow, since I noticed some of you guys are really into Nuno and Extreme, I > thought I'd just throw on this link... Some cool Nuno and Extreme rareties > and live stuff... Even some solo stuff on there. Will be hard to hold your > slaver..... > http://192.233.235.25/beandip/extreme/extreme.html
Thank god! I found this site once a while ago...or a site like this one, and didn't think to write down the URL or bookmark it. Some of this stuff I've been dying to hear! I really appreciate you throwin' this out to the Ytsejam! Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:57:47 EST From: ShadowBor@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Getting OiaLT earlier than others/Fates "Still Life" Message-ID: <64b70c08.3634d43b@aol.com>
Hey, I'm just wondering. I've noticed a number of people on here and the Mirror List posting "OiaLT is out!!" and so on, and telling us about it. Thing I don't understand is, according to the website and both record stores I go to (Tower Records and Newbury Comics), it's not out until tuesday, Oct. 27th (or Monday at midnight, at Tower). How are you people getting it? Connections? Bootlegs? Just curious. Thanks. By the way, regarding the live Fates disc, it sounds awesome. Some of Ray's high notes aren't there in Ivory Gate of Dreams and 11th Hour, but then again that's quite understandable. What he does instead sounds cool. The mix is pretty good, and they have good energy. I reccomend it to Fates fans.
Rob
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:10:54 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Going on w/the mp3 discussion... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981026231054.0091eec0@messagebox.com>
Hey, jammerz!
Recently I was cleaning up my hard drive and realized that DT mp3's took up about 800megs of the space, not too much though, but still this space might be very useful, so I decided to make an audio CD with some of the songs I have there - why audio? - A lot of my friends have been very willing to hear this stuff, but were unable, because not all of them have PC's and not all of those who have have he web-access... - so I decided to make this CD. Needless to say that only a small part of the songs got to the CD, but volumes 2 and 3 are to follow. For those who are interested, here's the track-listing of the CD: 1. Your Majesty 2. A Vision 3. March of the Tyrant 4. Two Far 5. Cry for Freedom 6. Freeport Jam 7. Solar Groove (dan, this song is AWESOME!!!) 8. LSOAD (acoustic) 9. Cover my eyes 10. Hollow Years 11. Speak to me 12. TWIUTB 13. JLMB
of course you gather that all these songs are either life or some kind of a demo. I am now thinking of the conents for the next CD - have any suggestions?
cya laterz, ~Pete 'the Russian Jammer' Tatischev
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:17:08 -0600 From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: OIAL frustration and Yes... Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF03304A@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
I've just had a call from my wife and my OIAL has arrived from CDNOW, the frustration? - I have to wait until tonight before I get to hear it and the video hasn't been shipped yet!
Ok, I've just been to Yes World (http://www.yesworld.com) and they are doing a survey of fans. All they want to know is who would be a good support act for the next tour....hmmmm...who do you think I voted for? I don't know if DT would do it or even if they would be suitable as an opener for Yes, but it doesn't hurt to vote.
Cheers,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:19:59 EST From: ToxicSheep@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: CD now quiz Message-ID: <96fe025a.3634d96f@aol.com>
Figured that someone should know this....I entered the week 4 CD now Honorary Rodies Sweepstakes, and got a perfect. As a prize, I was 'entered' to win the 2 free airline tickets. This is the 3rd time I did this, and the other two times I got a $5 bonus. So I this something better I got now? All it said was that I was "entered into the contest for 2 free airline tickets...not too bad!" ...or something like that.... AdaM
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:27:47 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Rack processors (NDTC) Message-ID: <1998102615125526334@ix.netcom.com>
Hey, I've heard that there are some rack processors/pedalboards that can be put into the effects loop of an amp and it lets you switch amp channels with the effects patch. Ive heard Rocktron has something like this. If anyone can recommend some really good processors/ pedalboards like this (perhaps one with a volume pedal) that can get me the basic chorus/delay/reverb/phaser sounds and not eat away too much amp tone, I'd really apriciate it (private e-mail is ok). Thanks.
Matt
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:39:26 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: HAHAHAHA I GOT THE FUCKING CD! Message-ID: <3634DDFD.7CB7AC16@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I don't mean to brag but I just got a promo copy of ONCE IN A LIVETIME and it fucking rules!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:19:23 EST From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: MP Fessed Up On This One Message-ID: <feaac30d.3634e75b@aol.com>
<< I don't understand how it would make sense for it to be Mike? Why would he not want Derek on here? Please explain.... Jeff P.>>
My guess is humor. I doubt the jam has seen the last of DS. Since he's touring with Alice Cooper, he's probably just busy. Since it was a dis on Derek from Mike, I'd wager Derek is acquiring some thicker skin, as we "type". : - )
_____Nikki______________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live. --J. Myung~~
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:17:50 +0100 From: "sQuack" <squack@primus-online.de> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: (spoiler)/misheard shoutings Message-ID: <19981026212029.8831.qmail@bonn2.pop.metronet.de>
I got a kick out of the "Metro Police! Metro Police!" chorusses the french crowd shouts at the end of the regular set on oialt.
It was also fun listening to James speak french.
oialt is just fucking amazing.
sQuack
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: HAHAHAHA I GOT THE FUCKING CD! Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.981026162738.9838A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Chris Calabrese wrote:
> > I don't mean to brag but I just got a promo copy of ONCE IN A LIVETIME > and it fucking rules!!!!! > >
Don't see it as bragging, since it comes out tomorrow..... :)
Hopefully, you'll be picking up an official release as well, since if you don't, many of the YtsePolice will be coming to knock your door down, take your wallet, and take the money that would have been used to buy an actual copy, and then systematically beat you with a wet noodle until you start seeing 12th notes dancing around your head.....
My name isn't Mosh, so why did *I* get the crack?
-Al
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:54:27 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: It's HERE! (no spoilers) / Favorite CD's Message-ID: <3634EF93.226083A6@home.com>
GUESS FUCKING WHAT?!?!?!?
I just got home from work (like 5 minutes ago), and lo and behold, what is on my front doorstep? My "5 Years in a LIVEtime" VIDEO! Dammit - am I ever excited! Whoo-hooo! I think this thing will probably be watched "at least a few times" tonight!
All I'll say so far (since I haven't even unsealed the plastic so far) is that the packaging is really cool, and the back cover is "nifty-keen".
I'll post later once I've watched it and tell everyone what I think - but DON'T WORRY - I will NOT give away any spoilers!
- - -
OK, in other news:
> Favorite Van Halen - Balance
This honestly surprises me. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE "Balance", and I personally think it's definitely right up near the top - but I was under the impression that a lot of people didn't like it. Guess I was mistaken.
> Favorite Savatage - The Wake of Magellan
Awesome-ass CD!
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
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