YTSEJAM Digest 4378
Today's Topics:
1) various
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
2) Rumor mill
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
3) Re: ***FREE DT STICKER and CONTEST****
by AEllis1222@aol.com
4) DT RULES!!!!
by Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
5) Finding 5YIAL, etc...
by Riffinator@aol.com
6) re: MP's supergroup
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
7) Of setlists, sinking ships, and radical mind-controlling terrorists.
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) OIAL, Video, Does anyone know how well FII sold???
by WaterIce25@aol.com
9) OiaL, and 5YiaL..... BRAVO! TWO THUMBS UP!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
10) Desert Nights
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
11) One more thing: ATTN psychotic metalheads with cash (NDTC)
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
12) not in this lifetime
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
13) back to the front you will do what i say when i say
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
14) Re: OiaL in the UK
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
15) have you heard?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:21:00 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: various
Message-ID: <v01540b00b25d4383d121@[128.197.8.67]>
>Anyway, I don't LIKE it when bands change their setlist around.
> Because I can only see _1_ show, I want to see what everybody else
>sees. And if they're always changing it around, I am missing out. And I
>don't like that feeling. Whine whine :)
First of all . . . some people do get to see more than one show.
Cities are close enough that it's not too inconvenient for many to see
multiple shows in a short period of time.
Also . . . why would anyone want to see what everyone else sees?
If anything, I would think that seeing something unique is much better than
seeing a standard, rigid "show" that is the same everywhere and everynight,
no matter what the mood of the performers is, the location, etc.
Many bands have too many good songs that warrant live performance
to fit into one set list. By looking at each concert as a unique entity
instead of as merely specific occurances of "the show," things are usually
much more fresh and interesting.
>But I do have some comments other than that. I really wish there was
>more from WDADU on it, as The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun, etc. are
>like some of my very favorite DT.
Uh . . . this is from the same person. Let's use our heads here.
It turns out that, if artists have a larger repertoire of songs that they
can draw from for each concert, there is a much better chance of obscure
songs like "The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun" being played _at least_
sometimes. Sometimes is better than never in such cases. Standard sets
usually contain fewer rarites (usually one or two of the same ones on an
entire tour). In that case, it would be impossible to hear live recordings
(official or otherwise) of most rare songs in a band's catalog, much less
see such songs played live.
Ever notice that there are only two songs Dream Theater has
released commercially that they have never played live? This is a very low
number, even for a band that has relatively few albums. That's because
they (wisely) realize, to some extent, that standard sets blow (even when
they're by bands that certainly don't blow, i.e. Rush). I commend Dream
Theater for varying their set lists, and I hope they continue to do so to
some extent.
When I finally get a band together, don't bother coming to see it
if you agree with the person quoting above. You'll be disappointed.
>Anyone notice Derek's playing of a clip from Star Wars in the beginning of
>Voices? I think it's in the finale of the movie when Luke, Han and Chewy
>are walking up to get their medals. Pretty cool.
It's called "Ben Kenobi's Theme," and it is reoccurs (in various
forms) throughout the movie. I believe Mr. Petrucci plays it, since I
remember seeing him do it in Boston on December 13, 1997 (I believe)
between "Burning My Soul" and "Voices." At the time, I considered it as
part of the end of "Burning My Soul," but perhaps it's in the beginning of
"Voices."
>The guy's name is Greg Howard, and he plays Stick on
>The Dreaming Tree on DMB's latest album, Before These
>Crowded Streets.
>
>Occasionally, he has made guest appearances at a few
>DMB shows and played Stick for them.
>
>If you want a URL to his site, here it is:
>(I got this from www.dmband.com - i'm not sure if it works)
>http://webhitstats.rlc.net/ss?click&dmband&35814dbb
I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Greg Howard has been mentioned
here. I highly recommend his music (which, unfortunately, is only
available through him I believe) while stressing that it is not rock.
Also, it is not overtly solo-oriented (unless his newer recordings are
different than his older ones). The only reason I know of him is that I
studied with him (no, not Chapman Stick). Now that he's getting more
attention for working with Dave Matthews Band, maybe he'll be able to play
venues larger than bookstores and coffee shops.
Jeff Falk
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:22:22 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Rumor mill
Message-ID: <19981029032504.IYGJ1127@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
>I heard a rumor that Dave Matthews was a major
>heroin addict...Is there any truth to this?
Ask yourself two things: 1) why are you asking this? 2) what would it
change for you if he were? If its a rumor, how would any of us know any
differently? Just let stuff like this go and enjoy the music. What Dave
does on his own time shouldn't bother you. (not meant as a flame, but I
don't know how to word it any "softer").
Andrew
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:42:23 EST
From: AEllis1222@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: ***FREE DT STICKER and CONTEST****
Message-ID: <24b1d69a.3637e41f@aol.com>
Is anybody else getting sick of this stuff being posted in every friggin 'jam?
~~~~~~Art
<<<ATTN all Ytsejamers--
Do YOU want a DREAM THEATER STICKER AND GET IN ON A DRAWING
FOR SOME COOL PRIZES?
CONTEST ends DECEMBER 17th, 1998.
CHECK OUT:
http://www.trsgroup.com/music/DT.htm
for all the info
DRAWING FOR SOME COOL PRIZES DRAWING FOR SOME COOL PRIZES>>>
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:19:35 -0500
From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DT RULES!!!!
Message-ID: <01BE02C9.6EEA8D60@ppp-11-nerdc-ts16.nerdc.ufl.edu>
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I finally got my CD and video from the Time Warner site and it just =
rocks!!!! I was SOOOO surprised to see how well they performed live =
now. The latest video I have ever seen was the "WOWOW" show from Japan =
and james wasn't doing that great on it. But after seeing the 5YIAL I =
was soooooo impressed. =20
JAMES LABRIE ROCKED!!!!! =20
He had his stuff down perfectly.
AND SO DID DERIK, MIKE, JOHN M, and JOHN P.!!
God, they did such a great job, expecially in the unplugged =
performances. Everyting was so refined and polished, I loved it!!! OK, =
that's enough before I spoil it for those who haven't see or heard it =
yet. =20
I highly reccomend this CD as a "convert" CD to those who haven;t heard =
what DT can do.
DT RULES AND NEED TO COME TO FLORIDA AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
[ I had to study the last time they came....I'll see them live someday! =
:( ]
daus studenberg
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:39:38 EST
From: Riffinator@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Finding 5YIAL, etc...
Message-ID: <595ec49b.3637f18a@aol.com>
>Amazing isn't it? I had to go to three cd stores before I found it,
>and only one guy in the first two had even heard of dream theater.
>And I live in a college town also....maybe that is the problem.
>
>Josh
>jpwalkowicz@physfac.purdue.edu
I made 3 unsuccessful attempts to locate 5YIAL at the best record stores here
in Columbia. Funny thing is they all had plenty copies of OIAL and the old
LIT video. Hmmm. So, after my ill luck with the "most likely to have 5YIAL
places"...I called Best Buy on a whim, expecting to hear "Dream who??"....BUT,
the actual response I got was "yeah dude, we have 3 copies". That didn't
register at first....so after picking up my jaw from the floor and asking him
if he was sure and said "yes", you can bet your sweet ass I was crusin' up the
inny to snatch me a copy! It was $19.95 (not too bad). Plus some more good
news....when I get there only TWO copies remained. So....I guess I'm not the
only die-hard DT fan in Columbia, SC! Maybe the other one subscribes to this
list......???
Drew
Moral of the story: don't forget to check Best Buy! :-)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:03:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: re: MP's supergroup
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.981029050304.24129C-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
It was postponed because JP's wife went into labor, which postponed
LTE2, which pushed back the project you were talking about.
-- Bert
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:20:57 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Of setlists, sinking ships, and radical mind-controlling terrorists.
Message-ID: <002601be0297$619c40e0$340d84d0@korgx3>
> Also . . . why would anyone want to see what everyone else sees?
>If anything, I would think that seeing something unique is much better than
>seeing a standard, rigid "show" that is the same everywhere and everynight,
>no matter what the mood of the performers is, the location, etc.
I guess the best arguement to that would be to take a step back and look at
the setlist for the Falling into Infinite tour. Notice how it all blended
together, how thematic it was? There weren't many parts on the disc where a
song simply ended, the band paused, and then jumped into the next song.
IMO, I thought that in itself was VERY impressive and was something that
obviously had alot of thought put into it. I can only imagine how damn
difficult it must be for DT to pull off what they do in the studio, but then
they come out onto the stage and do it LIVE and have fun with it. I mean,
if they were just playing song by song like Megadeth does, and played the
same setlist everynight, I could see reason to complain. But begging for
deviation on such a thematic setlist is like expecting Titanic to end
differently each time you watch it. :P
Besides, as I mentioned before, the average DT concert-goer is likely to
only go and see them once. I like Megadeth alot, but I probably would only
see them once if they played in town two nights in a row, regardless of
setlists. DT obviously put on a damn great show using this setlist through
the tour and I think it would be stupid to deprive everyone the priviledge
of such a show simply because a small minority wanted variation. It'd
be like shouting "The Lady Wore Black" while QR were halfway through
Operation: Livecrime, IMO.
Now, if they played the same setlist every tour (like, as you mentioned,
some bands do)... I think that would be a legitimate gripe... But I don't
see that happening much with DT, yet. :)
And I think Mike Portnoy would agree.
-- KorgX3 says "arriba arriba andole andole yeehaw yeehaw!"------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:00:27 EST From: WaterIce25@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: OIAL, Video, Does anyone know how well FII sold??? Message-ID: <235d4506.3638047b@aol.com>
First, I would like to thank DT for being the greatest creation of a band ever known to mankind and making these gems. Highlights for me so far: DS piano solo and lines, Darkest of Winters into the Turbo version of Ytsejam, JP solo, MP solo, Tamp is phenomenal, and PS is amazing. I think this was definitely Dereks shinning moment so far. JLB sounds really good, much better than LATM. The video is awesome as well. I love that acoustic stuff. Anna Lee, Lifting Shadows, Speak to me, and TLF just blew me away. I kind of dug the heavy stuff they were jamming, but what was up with that 'Barney" guy singing. I thought he really sucked. Finally, **** I asked this question before, but DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW WELL FII HAS SOLD SO FAR?******* Thanks it's greatly appreciated
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:12:29 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: OiaL, and 5YiaL..... BRAVO! TWO THUMBS UP! Message-ID: <3638074D.FD9EF297@home.com>
Well, for starters: A big thanks to MP for all his hard work in bringing us fan(atics) OiaL, and 5YiaL!
I received the video on Monday, and I must say that's it's completely amazing! I really enjoy the variety on it especially! The same holds true for the CD (which I got Tuesday)! Just fucking phenomenal! This is one of those (in)famous "if I were stranded on a desert island, what 10 CD's would I want with me......." CD's!
My favorite thing about both the CD and video: The keys. The first thing I thought upon first viewing (and first listening), was "WTF? I can hear the fucking keyboards? What's goin' on here? Oh, and Derek's playing completely and utterly rocks on both!
I also have one Q for the Jammers. On track one of disc one, do you guys hear a (fairly obvious) 'click' sorta noise, at approximately 1:25? I just want to make sure my precious disc isn't screwed up!
Later folks, --
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
************************************************************************** Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying 'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... "Love, just don't stare. / Reveal the Word when you're supposed to" - Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci) **************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:10:45 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Desert Nights Message-ID: <36383115.F961B540@imap1.asu.edu>
Okay, so I'm like uh....3 days behind in sending any kind of the regular fanboy extaticism post, but I see the other AZ ytsecrew have already informed ya that
MIKE PORTNOY FUCKIN' ROCKED! >8^D
Meetin' all the ytsecats i haven't seen since...uh...the Dream Theater show in May I guess...was awesome. (See, I'm still alive and postin'!) It was so nice of the bouncers at the door to play peek-a-boo with the crowd waiting outside to catch a glimpse of the Kit of the Gods being set up inside this 2 story alternative-trend-rock club being used for a talent show (go figure, eh?). Things overheard while waiting outside the club were, "Shit, I haven't seen you since the Dream Theater show," "Did you hear about the New Year's Eve gig," "Ah shit. I'm surrounded by drummers," and, "What did the guitarist do when he locked himself out of the car...damn...i forgot the punchline."
So anyways...the clinic. We're finally allowed to enter the inner sanctum where the dj was blasting the new Liquid Tension Experiment album through the PA and some ingenious architect had dabbled in the wonderful use of black light as a primary light source, so all these hopeful musicians and drummers alike would have to strain their eyes filling out Guitar Center info slips for a random drawing of free crap.
Just after getting all the greets and hellos in to those jammers/friends I hadn't met outside the club, some bananahead reject from a Ted Danson look-alike contest in a red plaid tuxido and yellow sun glasses jumps out onto the stage and starts talkin' smack about our homie Mike Portnoy. "BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH IT MUST BE IN THE WATER!" This guy was so damn obnoxious even I was ready to jump on stage and beat the crap out of him. Our buddy Dangerous Dan from Guitar Center Tempe was just bein' cut off left and right trying to introduce/announce the contestants of the drum off--OH the drum off;
I had never experienced anything like this before in my life, but if yall ever get a chance to catch one of 'em, they're definitely worth your time (heheheh, especially a regional match like Monday's....) The first contestant was this fat guy from CO wearin' this CRAZY yellow and black shirt and the dude WAILED....rocked out, had the stick flippin' goin on and everything. A couple teenagers and a 14 year old jellybean later, and the local hero JAY comes out onto the stage and a deafening roar shot through the roof of the two story club. Yeah, he won.
So after all these antics, Portnoy takes the stage, gets behind the kit, and spits in approval before wailin' on...well...wailin': Paradigm Shift, the Metropolis instrumental section (backup vocals by the Ytsejam psycho ward choir), a drum solo medley and all done on a skipping CD player. Amazingly, Mikey stayed with the player after it skipped a second here, a second there, a minute there. Now, I'm a guitar player by practice, I don't know crap about the drumming thing (I think I should learn a little though,) but Mike started nailin' himself upside the head en tempo with his fist, makin' squinty constipation faces at me the whole time; is this some sort of percussionist secret I should know about?
ANYWAAAAYs...I've rambled on far too long for my own good. Back to the grind....
~Theeeee Eckie might post, tomorrow, every post will make less sense...tomorrow, la la laaaaa
PS- Yeah, let's see DT cover ANNE! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! PPS- I was only kidding.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:27:41 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: One more thing: ATTN psychotic metalheads with cash (NDTC) Message-ID: <3638350D.3EED6FF6@imap1.asu.edu>
Oh yeah, I dunno if this is the wisest thing to do in the world (considerin' I want a ticket of my own), but if ya haven't dropped in the irc channel to read me splooge about this over and over again...
This New Year's Eve the Bank One Ballpark in downtown Phoenix, Arizona will be opening its doors (and roof) to its first big time concert. Well, that isn't the exciting part, it's who's performing:
Black Sabbath, Pantera, Megadeth, Slayer, Soulfly, and more to be announced/confirmed!
Concerts like this don't happen very often in the States (I can hear the foreign jammers who've been to those European/Brazilian festivals snickering as I type this) so you can pretty much expect this thing to be HUGE. REALLY HUGE. I know of a few jammers who are makin' the trek out to AZ from CA and possibly NY to catch this, I figgured...most jammers are metalheads at heart, let's see how many we can trap in this hell hole and psychologically fuck up...er...make a small psuedo ytsecon outta it. The more the merrier some idiot once said. We'll hang out, we'll eat lotsa food, we'll trash Bank One Ballpark. }:^{)> Tickets are gonna be on sale thru Dillards at somethin' like $70, $50 and $30 ($70 being a prime spot in the floor area). That's about all the info I've gotten so far heheheh...anybody interested can check http://www.98kupd.com/ in the concerts section. *shrug*
Quibble amongst yerselves, ~Eckie needs sleep
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:27:44 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: not in this lifetime Message-ID: <19981029102744.9290.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Ah fuck it.. play the whole damned thing for them. I find it hard to >concieve of a person who wouldnt like it!
really? i have no trouble doing so......like those (what is it now?) 12 million people that bought the notorious BIG's last album thhat never quite got around, somehow, to ever buying FII......
if my numbers are off, who cares? oial is the same DT music that music 'listeners' by the tens of millions have managed not to appreciate for 10+ years now, if you include the Majesty days....
so, if you have stories of how the live album is changing the hearts of americans and other foreigners all over the world, where mere studio DT albums fail to do anything, please share them with us.....
until then, i remain
partha "cynical fuck" mukhopadhyay
(been a while since i did that quotation thing, maybe it cuz it 5 am and i'm just finishing up something which I should have been able to finish at 5 PM yesterday)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:31:46 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: back to the front you will do what i say when i say Message-ID: <19981029103146.20560.qmail@hotmail.com>
wow, i didn't know we were back to discussing if Phish is prog or not prog again......guess we didn't get enough of this argument the first 14 dozen times it's been hashed out already
partha
>ANd to whoever said Phish is prog....hate to disagree with you, but >they are absolutely NOT PROG. There is nothing progressive about >them, unless you consider The Greatful Dead progressive. To me, >they are boring. Their jams are pathetic, simply because they go on >for a half hour on the same chord/chord >progression while their audience gets stoned.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:31:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: OiaL in the UK Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1029103152-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
> From: "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com> > Subject: OiaL in the UK > > So OiaL has a worldwide release date of 27th October except the UK - > where we have to wait till the following monday - 2nd Nov. Even the major > chains (HMV, Virgin) seem to have little knowledge and even some of the > largest Virgin Megastores son't even have plans to stock the disk.
I have given up. I concede defeat. Being a Dream Theater fan in Britain is harder than being a Communist in Texas (people think you're weird), a rubber doll in a magazine office (you're constantly getting slammed by journalists) or a cigar in Washington, DC (you end up frequenting small, dark smelly venues).
I am going to throw out all my Dream Theater CDs. I am going to become a Celine Dion fan.
Personally, I think it all started with James LaBrie. If DT had seized the opportunity when Dominici left to get a sexy babe female singer, DT would be at the top of the charts here. Instead, they got a guy who looks like Robert Plant, and everyone knows that Ageing Rockers (and their lookalikes) are destined for perpetual ridicule by the British music press.
Image is Everything. Thirst is Nothing. Drink Shite.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:36:02 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: have you heard? Message-ID: <19981029103602.24745.qmail@hotmail.com>
oops, meant to put this in the last msg and hit send without speaking my peace....like i said, 5:30 am
any of you heard of a band called MOE. ? (the period is apparently part of the band's name)
if not, lemme simply describe it as country prog, and see what kind of reaction that gets......more details to come when i've heard this disc more than the once it's been through my ears.....
first listen, this "Tin Can and Car Tires", with it's cover art of a redneck's backyard is sounding mighty mighty sweet, so much so that if it holds up to repeated listenings, a definite top 5 of the year candidate.......
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