YTSEJAM Digest 4384
Today's Topics:
1) Re: United we stand...again
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
2) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4382
by Images And Words <BLE1383@cup.edu>
3) Re: Still Life questions
by Brian Reichow <brian@easterisland.com>
4) Dali's Dilemma
by "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
5) Re: Dream Theater International Fan Club
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
6) 1997 DTIFC CD SOLD
by "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
7) Terry Bozzio, Virgil Donati and other rare CD's for sale
by "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
8) Damage inc...
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
9) Promos & college towns
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
10) My Desert Island 20, 1998
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
11) More OiaL stuff from Korg
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) Re: Damage inc...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
13) OiaL problem and a video concept
by Keith Aspinall <killathespian@asu.edu>
14) Paul Craddick's Xen project
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
15) Re: Cynic
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
16) DTIFC fan club address....
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
17) OiaLT Case
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:30:31 -0000
From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: United we stand...again
Message-ID: <010d01be042f$a29faca0$2ab259c3@simon-s-pc>
I agree with this idea of voting for DT especially since I have the
Rolling Stone Encyclopaedia of Rock and Roll and theres not one mention
of DT.
Simon Christie
-----Original Message-----
]From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Date: 28 October 1998 08:56
Subject: United we stand...again
>
>I was checkin' out Creed's webpage a while ago, and stumbled upon a
link
>to Rolling Stone magazines poll for best band and stuff like
that...once
>again, it's a fill-in the blank type of poll, and kinda like the "Hank
>the angry, drunken dwarf" thing, the more people put the same thing,
the
>more likely that group/person/whatever will win. You get the idea!
Check
>out the link below, and cast your vote, I'm sure there's enough
>dedicated fans here to open someone's eyes at Rolling Stone.
>
>http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/magazine/text/rspoll9.html?afl=rsn
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:25:37 -0500
From: Images And Words <BLE1383@cup.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4382
Message-ID: <981030132537.20450361@cup.edu>
>Does the fact that CDNow is shipping promotional copies
>of OiaL bother anyone else?
has anyone thought that maybe it's a joke. Maybe Dream Theater themselves put it on.
Mike's prolly sitting at his puter laughing his ass off. I will keep my CDs until I
find out for sure that DT didn't get my money for it.
Jason
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*"I have given all that I can take *
*And now I've only habits left to break *
*Tonight I'll still be lying here surrounded *
*In all the light..." *
* --Dream Theater "Surrounded" (Images & Words *
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:40:12 -0600
From: Brian Reichow <brian@easterisland.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Still Life questions
Message-ID: <1302367356-291275864@mail.easterisland.com>
>1) What in the blue fuck is the crowd chanting at the start of "Ivory Gate
>of Dreams"? It sounds for all the world like "tes-ti-cle, tes-ti-cle", but
>I hope to hell that isn't it. Anybody wanna hazard a guess?
Isn't the crowd saying "get set go"??
Brian
keeper of the Sava-FAQ & Discography
Minneapolis, MN
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:42:38 -0600
From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dali's Dilemma
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981030114238.0079d380@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
October 11, 1998
We're still awaiting a release date for Manifesto For Futurism.
Jeremy Colson, Pat Reyes and Steve Reyes will appear on
the upcoming "DaVinci" project written by Trent Gardner.
Matt Guillory has finished his solos for the upcoming ELP
tribute... soon to be released on Magna Carta.
http://www.dalis-dilemma.com/intro.html
"Manifesto For Futurism."
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:29:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Daniel C Russell <drussell29@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Dream Theater International Fan Club
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981030142856.17681A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> I don't know what the story is but is was sent back to me saying that the
> box is no longer available and that it is closed....could someone please
> email me back in private and let me know what the correct address is
> because I wanna make sure I get the Christmas CD and other
> goodies...thanks
As of right now, you have to mail it to the England address. I
was, at one point, going to be the U.S. point for all DTIFC within the US,
but that seems to have fallen through. :(
- mike.
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syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:51:52 -0500
From: "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: 1997 DTIFC CD SOLD
Message-ID: <s639d299.082@weidmuller.com>
Hey Jammers,
The 1997 DTIFC CD has been sold, still available:
"When Dream and James Unite" - $35 (Listened to once)
"Fasten Your Seatbelts" - $15
E-mail me privately if you're interested. First come, first served.
Kevin Rackley
Official Soul Reason Website
http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
Currently in the car's changer:
1.) Dream Theater - Images and Words
2.) Iron Maiden - Caught Somwhere in Time
3.) Rush - Moving Pictures
4.) Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosys
5.) Tangerine Dream - Optical Race
6.) KISS - Alive I (disc 2)
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:01:39 -0500
From: "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Terry Bozzio, Virgil Donati and other rare CD's for sale
Message-ID: <s639d4f1.087@weidmuller.com>
Hey Jammers,
I know a couple of you drummers out there were interested in the new Terry =
Bozzio CD "Drawing the Circle", as well as other hard to find CDs. In =
Modern Drummer this month, I found a website which specializes in selling =
rare instrumental CDs. The name of the site is
Audiophile Imports
Importing and Distributing Jazz & Fusion CD's=20
http://www.audiophileimports.com=20
Kevin Rackley
Official Soul Reason Website
http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
Currently in the car's changer:
1.) Dream Theater - Images and Words
2.) Iron Maiden - Caught Somwhere in Time
3.) Rush - Moving Pictures
4.) Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosys
5.) Tangerine Dream - Optical Race
6.) KISS - Alive I (disc 2)
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:10:56 +0100
From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Damage inc...
Message-ID: <000301be0441$68d30dc0$70856dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Hey guys.... Just downloaded Metallica's "Damage Inc." played by Dream
Theater!!!!!!! Does anyone have it too? Who the hell is singing it??? Not
James.... Mike?
Stickmaster D...
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:15:26 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Promos & college towns
Message-ID: <19981030201527.10995.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey guys. I got my copy of OiaLT from Best Buy (they had 5 and I got
the last one at 11:30 AM!) for $18.99.
BOTH discs have the "For promotional .... the label can kiss maX's
ass if they want it back ..." crap on it. It's just harder to read on
disc 1.
And there's no 2CD thing. It's the same kind of case as the Depeche
Mode singles...
I really doubt that anyone is getting screwed here. They just put
that on the CDs 'cuz they are stupid. I really can't imagine a label
trying to recall CDs. How would they know who has them anyway?
-maX
And some dude said when he asked the store about 5YiaLT, they asked
who would buy that. Then he said the guy could fuck off or something.
I cannot believe a couple people actually got mad at him for saying
that.
Well, I for one echo that "Fuck off".
DT Rules.
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:46:28 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net, ytse_classics@yahoo.com
Cc: v.stidean@mailcity.com, freddyg@mailcity.com, NIXB4@aol.com,
Subject: My Desert Island 20, 1998
Message-ID: <19981030204631.16159.qmail@hotmail.com>
Well, I've thought long and hard about this list of 20 CDs that I
absolutely CANNOT live without.
My impression is that a lot of people do not really take this that
seriously, but to me, my music is who I am. It's a part of my soul.
There are several things I felt sure would go here, but just could not
fit (Robert Miles, Rush Counterparts, DT ACOS, TaDream Tangram and
Rockoon, Eternity X - The Edge), but I think this is still pretty
definitive.
I have paid a lot of attention to what others quote as their top 20,
because that music defines a lot about them. You can judge me by the
music I have listed here, and PLEASE feel free to respond to me about
anything you see.
ThanX,
-maX
I have arranged them by year, and then alphabetically within the year.
So here they are...
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Boston - Boston
Kansas - Leftoverture
Alan Parsons Project - I Robot
Tangerine Dream - Logos (Live At The Dominion)
Journey - Frontiers
Rush - Grace Under Pressure
Queensryche - Rage For Order
Mike + The Mechanics - Living Years
Dream Theater - When Dream And Day Unite
Queensryche - Empire
Tangerine Dream - The Private Music Of Tangerine Dream
Cusco - Apurimac II: Return To Ancient America
KMFDM - Nihil
Ramms+ein - Sehnsucht
Tangerine Dream - Tournado (Live)
Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade Of Gray
Depeche Mode - The Singles 86>98
Dream Theater - Once In A LIVEtime
Liquid Tension Experiment - Liquid Tension Experiment
This was pretty difficult, and I did consider to some eXtent variety
of bands and styles as well as what I listen to the most, and made
several compromises.
Anyway, feel free 2 respond with your input. You may have
recommendations...
-maX (again)
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:05:41 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: More OiaL stuff from Korg
Message-ID: <000a01be0449$17224c40$0201010a@chuck>
Hey, on the intro to Hollow Years... Which Marillion song is that from?
For some reason Hotel Hobbies comes to mind... Maybe I'm just hearing
things. :D
-- KorgX3------------------------------
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:53:54 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Damage inc... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9810301852180.12978-100000@jaca>
On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Dennis Leeflang wrote:
> Hey guys.... Just downloaded Metallica's "Damage Inc." played by Dream > Theater!!!!!!! Does anyone have it too? Who the hell is singing it??? > Not James.... Mike?
That's Barney Greenway, from Napalm Death, a former grind core band, that is now more of a brutal death metal band (well, more or less -- the guys have released "Diatribes", which has a lot of groove, something that you don't usually find on fast death metal albums).
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:33:05 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Aspinall <killathespian@asu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: OiaL problem and a video concept Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981030142738.20741C-100000@general2.asu.edu>
You know, with all this talk about the new album, nobody has mentioned its biggest flaw--it draws the police like a magnet! i mean, honestly, these disturbing the peace laws are annoying. i can't help it, i just can't listen to OiaL quietly. it must be LOUD, LOUD, LOUD. anyone else having this problem?
and after seeing the videos, i came up with a neato concept. it has two parts: 1. balls and chunk. 2. concert video footage. somehow, it seems vaguely familiar...
keith
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:53:02 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Paul Craddick's Xen project Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9810301647540.27120-100000@voyager.cris.com>
Y'all know who Paul Craddick is, right? Good. You may also know, since it was posted here before, that he has a side project known as Xen which features the rest of the Enchant guys playing Paul's music. If you'd like to hear what this stuff is like, I put up a couple of mp3's to check out. And if you like them, you might want to buy the record as soon as it becomes available. The mp3's are at...
http://www.dreamt.org/jessie/spine
If you go there you'll notice a few other mp3's in there. Help yourself as I don't know how long I'll keep those other files in there.
For the latest news on Xen, visit http://www.furiousskeleton.com
Enjoy.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:54:36 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Cynic Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981030132635.29968A-100000@rain.cds.caltech.edu>
On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> > Subject: Cynic > > Do any of you know where I can order the Cynic CD Focus???? I have > searched everywhere but I can't find one store that has it listed. Is > it out of print or just real hard to find??? Your best shot may be looking for it on-line. Try one of the big on-line music stores (e.g., CDNow) or find the webpage for Roadrunner Records, and ask if you can order it from them directly. Focus was released on Roadrunner Records.
It kinda surprises me that you can't find it. The last time I was in a DECENT record store (Rasputin's in Berkeley, Calif.), they had 3 copies of it sitting in the Metal section.
> ------------------------------ > > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> > > BTW, be warned that you may hate the vocals -- the electonic parts > sometimes get on my nerves. But I'm sure that Paul Dyer will reply to this > message, telling that Cynic is the best band ever, etc, etc, etc (ok, > after Opeth and Dream Theater, they may be). :-)
Well, hehe...I have a slightly lower opinion of Cynic than Mr. Dyer does.
> > > []s, Roger... > > P.S.: Oh, if you don't know, Cynic is a death metal band. If you have > restrictions about this genre of metal, you may consider spending your Aha. But not just "a death metal band." Among bands that play an ultra-technical style of music, or metal bands that play a style of metal combining jazz fusion and metal influences, Cynic is practically ALWAYS listed as a big influence (some examples that come to mind are Spiral Architect, Meshuggah, and Anomaly; there's more but I'd have to sit here and think of them). That one CD (Focus) really has had some awesome reverberations within this particular sub-sub-sub-genre of metal.
And if you listen to the CD, it's no wonder why. From a playing perspective, this CD is one of the richest in my collection. There is so much shit happening on ALL instruments (guitars, bass, drums) throughout the CD. The last time I listened to this thing (couple of weeks ago or so), I made the mistake of listening to it while doing homework. I actually stopped doing my homework, stared at the wall in front of me, and just listened through the rest of the CD. The interplay between the instruments is really something somebody has to hear for themselves. Spectacular. Even after listening to this CD for 3 years now, this CD can still grab me like that. There's only 2 or 3 other CDs I have that grab me like that.
Cynic really broke some ground with this CD. The only other band I've even heard of that attempted a similar combination of jazz and metal tendencies at about the same time was Atheist. I only have Piece of Time and Elements by them, but on these 2 CDs, if you just compare the chops between the Atheist and Cynic CDs, Cynic just wins out.
Amazing stuff. Truly a special CD.
So, to John Park, who was asking for help in finding this CD, make sure you do your damnedest to get it:).
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:15:54 -0600 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DTIFC fan club address.... Message-ID: <000401be0452$dc482ea0$bb3188cf@jammer>
Quoting Dan Russell in Jam 4383:
>This is a letter open to anyone who knows the answer. Possibly Neil >Elliott or Skadz!!! >About a month ago I sent my check and registration form to the DT Fan >Club the address I used is as follows. >DT International Fan Club >PO Box 20206 >Greenly Square Station >New York, NY and the ZIP > >I don't know what the story is but is was sent back to me saying that the >box is no longer available and that it is closed....could someone please >email me back in private and let me know what the correct address is >because I wanna make sure I get the Christmas CD and other >goodies...thanks >Dan Russell
Dan and others in the United States....
To join the DTIFC international fan club, here's the deal..
Send a $20 dollar bill (CASH ONLY, no Money Order or Check) and conceal it inside a simple greeting card or something to hide the cash...
Label the envelope just like this...
Dream Theater International Fan Club Headquarters Address : D.T.I.F.C. P.O. Box 1067, Caterham, Surrey CR3 5ZU, England
Inside the envelope and this is important... write a note with the following information...
Your full name, your full mailing address, and your BIRTHDATE.
Do it SOON so you will get your DTIFC fan club CD and your birthday surprises when your birthday rolls around :))
Jan-Michael
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:12:32 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: OiaLT Case Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981030141232.00896640@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
I would just like to say that the double CD case that came with my copy of OiaLT is the biggest piece of shit ever engineered. It is flimsy, doesnt open properly, and doesnt let you get to CD#2 if the case is anything less than fully open. And I swear that it will break within a week, no matter HOW gingerly I handle it.
Great discs guys, but terrible cases. : )
Jon
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