YTSEJAM Digest 4386
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Joshua
by jralat@coqui.net
2) Re: DT as Big as CT?
by AL <al@isd.net>
3) For those of you in Louisiana, more specifically Baton Rouge...
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
4) phish
by "chris" <cherbst@usa.net>
5) saigon kick?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
6) Mangini Re: NUNO + EXTREME MP3...
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
7) Once In A Livetime
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
8) Re: promo copies of oialt
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
9) OIAL promotional copies/Spock's Beard
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Good speakers and more on Saigon Kick... (Hey, DT did tour with them once!)
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Supergroups etc.
by "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com>
12) contents of the X mas CD
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
13) 2CD cases
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
14) Re: Mike Portnoy's "Supergroup"
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
15) Re: Still Life questions
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
16) Reaching for DTC with case ramblings and UAGM sadness...
by "Gregory Habetler" <ghabetle@hotmail.com>
17) Re: saigon kick?
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:52:43 -0600
From: jralat@coqui.net
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Joshua
Message-ID: <363ab7c6.2313.0@coqui.net>
First of all, learn how to spell puertorican. I have all my life for a chance
to talk, or in this case, chat with my favorite band. And I had the chance
to talk to Mike!!!, and I couldn't. That's why I was so pissed. I don't think
that makes me a punk. But if you think ,JOSHUA, that it makes me one, then
you are the punk. What the hell do I care if the moderator doesn't like my
question, that's what he's getting paid for. Besides, he should have known
there would be a lot of questions. And forgive me if I don't know what the
caps mean but I'm always busy with something else, like studying at law school.
I think you should have the maturity or the brains to understand my frustration.
Jose
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:52:43 -0600
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: DT as Big as CT?
Message-ID: <363AC1CB.BA5FE585@isd.net>
AnalogGal wrote:
>What I think that person meant was that OIAL could be the turning point album
>for DT, much the same as "Live at Budokan" was for Cheap Trick and "Alive!"
>was for KISS. Those were groundbreaking albums for those bands, and there are
>more that I just can't think of right now because I'm way too tired to wrack
>my brains. It was most likely not a comparison of the styles of music.
Thank you for echoing my thoughts so eloquently.
>Of course, there's every possibility that DT could be as huge as CT, the
>state. They could crush it like Godzilla, and then the entire east coast of
>the United States would shake in utter terror at the horrific majesty (pun
>intended!) of Dream Theater!!!!! Of course, I could just be really, REALLY
>tired and in need of a nicotine fix and some herb tea. ::::shrug::::
>WhatEVAH!!
STOP! I'm falling in love....
>Christina
>NP: Images and Words... Pull me under, baby!
I'd be delighted:)
-- AL... The Ytse-ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 03:18:50 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: For those of you in Louisiana, more specifically Baton Rouge... Message-ID: <363A819A.5B65@sprynet.com>
Hey there.
Just thought I'd let all BR Jammers (all one or two of them , if that many), that I will be doing a very bried (one hour) show of progressive music on Sunday, November 1 at 5 PM. I'll play some DT, Fates Warning, Cea Serin, Porcupine Tree, and as much other stuf as I can fit in an hour (not a lot). Try to listen if you can.
Later Phillip
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 03:34:52 -0500 From: "chris" <cherbst@usa.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: phish Message-ID: <00d201be04a9$556c0800$2fcbaccf@computer>
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did anybody else see this on Under a Cyber Moon in a review for OiaL?
"They add even more twists, turns and rhythm fills in person. On stage, they leap at chances to include embellishments or = improvise as a group in mid-song. Their antics are akin to the Grateful Dead or = Phish - but with an emphasis on technique"
i like they way phish go off in tangents, a style i've grown to love = since LTE's 3 Minute Warning. no, i'm not saying this makes them = progressive in the same way as DT, but they do embody a fusion-like = style at times, and fusion bands are just as complex as any other. = listen to some their instrumental parts, pretty cool.
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:50:27 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: saigon kick? Message-ID: <19981031085028.20098.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Now, for the last two albums, Jason has basically "been" SK, and this >album is almost the lost SK album, but I tell ya, if you liked Saigon >Kick at all,
funny you mentioned SK, with me finally getting around to picking up Water.....it arrived in the mail yesterday, same day as I tabbed The Lizard in my top 20 classics for that poll.....
i didn't realize that SK went through so many changes in that short a time, betw. lizard and water.....the main thing they lost in that time was the kramer's awesome (for me anyway) vocals.....water, on first listen, therefore was a bit hard to take....the same cool musical stylings but without that voice to lift it onto orbit.....
anyway.....
one more l'il SK note....go read the following
http://www.bvbmusic.com/letters/RIAA.html
partha
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:55:03 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Mangini Re: NUNO + EXTREME MP3... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981031025503.007d53d0@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
hey guys, for those of you who checked this site of MP3s check it again, they included some new Nuno songs and a complete concert of Nuno in UK
also I found this and the people who where looking for Mike Mangini stuff may be interested
>Was looking at Best Buy's website (reasonable prices in some instances...I >am amazed) and I came across a listing for Bruce Hornsby's new album. $14 >for a double disc isn't bad at all. Anyway, I looked closer at it and in the >notes section there's a listing of people who played on the album. Lo and >behold I see "Michael Mangini" listed among all the other musicians. Has >anyone heard this CD or know anything about it. I am assuming (could be a >big mistake) that its the same Mangini...dont know of any >others....dunno...maybe I'll just have to buy the album....
At 11:26 AM 26/10/98 -0800, Dennis Leeflang wrote: > >Hey Jammers... > >Wow, since I noticed some of you guys are really into Nuno and Extreme, I >thought I'd just throw on this link... Some cool Nuno and Extreme rareties >and live stuff... Even some solo stuff on there. Will be hard to hold your >slaver..... >http://192.233.235.25/beandip/extreme/extreme.html > >Stickmaster D. > >P.S. My fellow Drummers should also check it out.... Mike "metronome" >Mangini is kicking some serious butt on there... > > > --- MP3 of the week - "The Ben Stiller Show Theme" By Dweezil Zappa http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:12:38 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: Nothing To Say <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Once In A Livetime Message-ID: <199810311212.oaa27473@estcard.ee>
Hey
Just to add my 28 Estonian cents... The albums rip! Both of 'em. Want a favorable review in a popular Estonian youth magazine? Consider it done, folks. :-)
For those who complain about not hearing enough of John O'Myung in favor of Giovanni Petrucci... Well, the answer lies in (cough-cough) FLAT EQ and a set of GOOD speakers. When I say flat, I don't mean maybe. When I say good, I mean expensive.
Raivo Hool NT administrator, Estonian Card Center of Banks
e-mail: raitz@estcard.ee office: (+372) 6 711 416 mobile: (+372) 51 43 567 ICQ: 19980975
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:54:06 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: promo copies of oialt Message-ID: <000d01be04d6$b9086480$6e856dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Greg wrote in digest 4385:
<This is starting to seem like some kind of printing error in which the first run of discs was accidentally printed with the promo graphic>
No it can't... I'm sure I got one of the first copies, since I have had it for a week and a half now.... Mine is "normal". I work in a "big chain" record company in the Netherlands (Free Record Shop) and our storehouse had had the OIALT stock in for a few weeks already... So those copies must have been shipped around the last week of september.... Maybe it's possible that CDNOW had their stock even earlier.... But that seems very unlikely...
I guess it'll remain a mystery for now... But I tell ya, since we are the die-hard fans, we have the first copies and so some of us could have even some "wrong" ones..... I bet in a few years, people (collectors) are willing to pay lots of money to get such (limited) promo version...
Stickmaster D.
P.S. Anyone checked out ANOUK already?
"Fascination leaves the doubting blind" ]From "Innocence Faded" lyrics by John Petrucci (don't take it personally.... :-) )
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 13:31:24 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: OIAL promotional copies/Spock's Beard Message-ID: <01BE04E9.B505CD60@37.154.dialin.mxs.nl>
About the OIAL promotional copies... I'll see what I can find out from Elektra... While I'm at it, I'll also mention that I've been getting dozens of questions about a DVD version of 5YIAL, and ask if there are any plans to release one...
Also, Arash Ashouriha wrote :
> P.S. SPOCK's BEARD WILL RELEASE A BRAND NEW LIVE ALBUM IN NOVEMBER (for Euro > The album is titled: " The Beard Is Out There" and will contain 72 min music
This actually won't be a "brand new" live album... This will be a European release of the Beard's "The Official Live Bootleg", with new artwork and a bonus track.
> NP : DT - Once In A LIVEtime (what else ? ;-)
Empty Tremor ? ;-)
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:14:10 -0700 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Good speakers and more on Saigon Kick... (Hey, DT did tour with them once!) Message-ID: <001e01bce5bb$d5e60d40$370d84d0@korgx3>
>set of GOOD speakers. When I say flat, I don't mean maybe. When I say go= od, >I mean expensive.
I agree. My music system cost me a whopping $13000. :P Thankfully it ha= s more use than that... I can drive it around town, too. :) I'm such an audiophile I bought my Honda Civic Coupe simply because it had the best sounding system of any car I've ever been in. :D Not to mention it's qui= te reliable, for a car... But that's all secondary. :) HEAR the music!
Partha sent to a site that contained this statement: >You seem like wagon wheel craftsmen seeing the rubber tire guy for the >first time screaming =93Wood makes for better tires," "rubber will steal >jobs," =93rubber floats therefore it must be a witch!=94
NOOOO!!!! Jason stole my humor! I want it back!!! :) Anyway, about Water... It did take me awhile to get used to Matt's absence from SK myself. The first time I heard Water I was quite shocked and dismayed at the vocals. I think it was mostly because I have a major stigma over ban= ds that change members around like that alot, especially vocalists. Eventually, I came around (thankfully). I actually like Jason's singing better than Matt's now, and the music hasn't changed all too drastically, except in a forward direction (which is good). If you haven't picked up Devil In The Details or Jason's solo album yet, you might want to as Wate= r was kind of their low point as a band anyway. :) (all IMO)
*hops in his stereo and takes a trip to Utah* -- KorgX3
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:22:31 PST From: "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Supergroups etc. Message-ID: <19981031172231.13099.qmail@hotmail.com>
I returned from a vacation last week and just read about 30 ytsejams, so this is not a direct answer/reply to any previous post, just some thoughts...
I have to admit that supergroups are a great idea, and what's more important, there are awesome players who are, as Mike Portoy stated, willing to take time after their 'main' project/band and give the fans more feast for their ears. There're a few artists (sideprojects or not) whose names mean to me a certain '100% likeable quarantee' that no matter what they do (playing/record-wise) I'm sure to like it; Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and now, thanks to Liquid Tension Experiment and Explorers Club, MIKE PORTNOY and JOHN PETRUCCI. Can't wait to get my hands on LTE2! And finally... I really have to admire the energy Dream Theater members have to constantly take part in online chats, replying to the ytsejam etc. to interact with their fans. A DT fan can be sure to be constantly informed about what the members are up to next. An excellent example for every other band to follow. Thanks guys!
Ok, that's enough for now; time to listen some Dream Theater :)
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 13:41:08 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: contents of the X mas CD Message-ID: <363B59C4.9644E83E@caribe.net>
Read the full interview on UACM <-- shameless plug!
Q*: Speaking of Christmas, you always put out the Christmas CD. Are we going to see any more of the Ronnie Scott show in the future?
MP: Some of the Ronnie Scott stuff will show up on the video and then the Christmas CD is going to be outtakes from the album, from Paris and Rotterdam.
--
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:50:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: 2CD cases Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.981031174948.13854A-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
I heard Korg say that OiaL CD case was the best 2CD case he's ever seen... I guess you've never seen the Rush / Chronicles case, have ya? By far the highest quality and easiest operating 2CD case I've ever come across...
-- Relevant, yet somehow random, Bert.
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:24:24 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy's "Supergroup" Message-ID: <363B55D8.A1F73021@goodnet.com>
Juan Fco. Quintero wrote: > > Does someone know why this project was postponed? > Mike Portnoy (drums) > Jim Matheos of Fates Warning (guitar) > Neal Morse of Spock's Beard (vocals, keyboards) > Pete Trewavas of Marillion (bass) Apparently it was just a scheduling issue... couldn't get all of these guys together for a week to do the recording... Mike P. sid that he is still planning on doing it, but he wasn't sure if Jim would be able to...but he did say that he has a long list of people he'd want to play with, so I am sure it'll get done somehow... :-)
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:30:44 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Still Life questions Message-ID: <363B5754.16A2A591@goodnet.com>
Phil Carter wrote: > > Listening to Fates Warning's newest "Still Life" on my way home from work > today, I started wondering a couple things: > > 1) What in the blue fuck is the crowd chanting at the start of "Ivory Gate > of Dreams"? It sounds for all the world like "tes-ti-cle, tes-ti-cle", but > I hope to hell that isn't it. Anybody wanna hazard a guess? hehe... I have no idea... Must be another local saying like the "Zugabe" thing...
> 2) How many of the solos are Jim Matheos and how many are Bernie > Versailles? When Fates toured my town on the APSOG tour, Jim was the only > guitarist on hand, so I don't know how much of the smoking leads are his > and how many of 'em are Versailles'. Can somebody who saw the tour with > Bernie on hand give a rough approximation? Roughly, Bernie plays all of the solos that Frank normally played on the disc II material (only Jim played on disc I)... You can kind of pick out his guitar tone by listening to Monument... he plays the first solo and then Jim comes in with his flamenco-like acoustic solo (performed on an electric though)... Bernie played Frank's old parts pretty close to the record...
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:20:50 PST From: "Gregory Habetler" <ghabetle@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Reaching for DTC with case ramblings and UAGM sadness... Message-ID: <19981031192050.1420.qmail@hotmail.com>
Ah, we prog fans are an anal bunch. I'm just glad that there's a forum like this to discuss silly things like jewel case engineering. Anyway, as far as I can tell, the OIALT case is a good design since it allows 2 discs to fit in a case which uses the same front and back pieces as a standard case. The other 2-disc small cases (which allowed access to disc 2 via a hinge on the right) use modified versions of the standard components.
-Greg, who wept like a child when he heard UAGM on OIALT end before the guitar solo
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 13:23:22 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: saigon kick? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981031132033.8159B-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Partha Mukhopadhyay wrote: > i didn't realize that SK went through so many changes in that short a > time, betw. lizard and water.....the main thing they lost in that time > was the kramer's awesome (for me anyway) vocals.....water, on first > listen, therefore was a bit hard to take....the same cool musical > stylings but without that voice to lift it onto orbit.....
I must admit that when I first listened to Water, I didn't like it because I thought it was too mellow. I didn't even notice that they changed vocalists till long after I came around and decided it was my favorite SK album. I guess it's because Jason always sang backup, so the harmonies had that same sound to it...or something like that.
Robert Taylor rctaylor@uiuc.edu http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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