YTSEJAM Digest 4251
Today's Topics:
1) Korn...
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
2) Derek RUMOR SQUASH
by NckyLemons@aol.com
3) Enchant - Break (review)
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4250
by Ibanez506@aol.com
5) Re: Another Supergroup?
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
6) Re: free weekly football pool
by Johnny Carwash <sampo@pconline.com>
7) Mind Control....HY Jap Version...Trades ??
by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
8) Re: Chromakey IRC chat???
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
9) Re: Steve Stevens
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
10) re: Derek rumour
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
11) Re: Keyboard tab(?)
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
12) Re: Keyboard tab(?)
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
13) Re: Derek RUMOR SQUASH
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
14) Re: Klank/Circle/LS
by drnewb@spiff.net
15) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by panymex <ecaballe@mail.pty.com>
16) get down
by Madsag@aol.com
17) Christian "Prog' Metal
by bj reurich <reurich@pbq.com.au>
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:17:06 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Korn...
Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264FB6@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
Hi,
I know, we shouldn't be discussing Korn but I just saw their new
video on MTV, and ...er can anybody say Nine Inch Nails? my lordy what
a rip off.
Just had to say,
Dave (a UK jammer, now in Alabama).
NP : Thankyou and Goodnight - It Bites (live), actually that's a lie,
I'm listening to Spinner.Com but I was listening to it last night and it
rocks so much I thought I'd mention it.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:26:38 EDT
From: NckyLemons@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek RUMOR SQUASH
Message-ID: <87e86f26.35ee990e@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/3/98 8:19:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<<
Hi all,
Been lurkin' for quite a while (new job, very busy) but I have a tidbit for
ya. Rumor has it, from an industry insider, that Derek is on the way out.
Why you ask? Caught in bed with the Keyboard tech's Wife. Do I believe
this? I'm not sure, but I do remember Derek hitting on my wife right in
front of me at Ytsecon 1. I actually had to say "Derek, were married." To
which he replied "sorry" and turned away. >>
I have news for you, I BANGED your wife!!!! My keyboard tech isnt married,
and you are a LOSER!!!
BTW this is my last post to the jam, I have cancelled my subscription. I am
ytsed out so any response from NckyLemons is fraudulent. I will now begin my
well deserved vacation.
See you next year!!!! Derek Sherinian
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:42:59 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enchant - Break (review)
Message-ID: <35EF1B73.58CB@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
here is a little review of Enchant - Break:
First of all I would like to say, that the following comments are only my opinions
so don't start another flame war. Just hear the disc and judge for your self.
As a big Enchant fan I was very exciting about the release of Break and I expected
another great prog album from Enchant.
Well to me, Break is the most dissapointed release of 1998 !!!
Enchant have changed their style totaly. They've did this before (Wounded) and it
worked but this time, I don't know, maybe the songs are not well written.
The CD has 11 song and only 3 songs are really good. Also for some strange reason,
everything on Break sounds the same (especially the guitar sounds).
The song "My Enemy" is ond of the best Enchant songs ever. Superb melody written
by Michael Geimer. Everthing else has not the quality of Enchant's past works
"A Blueprint Of The World" is the best Enchant album followed by "Time Lost".
"Wounded" is not as good the Blueprint or Time Lost but it's still great.
"Break" is the wrost Enchant album. Where are the great druming ?
What happend to the great keyboards ?
I give Break 5 points out of 10.
Btw, I've listen to "Break" more than 5 times before mailing this review.
NP : Arena - Welcome To The Stage (this band kick ass)
Arash
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:09:10 EDT
From: Ibanez506@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4250
Message-ID: <370e5e30.35eea306@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-09-03 08:19:02 EDT, you write:
<< What I wanna learn is
that commercial for Payless where the footprints appear on the screen
in sync with the bass. :) Probably same guy with the same keyboard.
>>
That bass line is most definetly fake! Good Luck!
Juli
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:14:52 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "'mike_patrick@notes.hds.eds.com'" <mike_patrick@notes.hds.eds.com>
Subject: Re: Another Supergroup?
Message-ID: <36E02D8151FFD1118C1C00600808ACE54CEB6D@HAMSXHA2>
Mike Patrick wrote,
>Does anyone have info on the Stu Hamm, Steve Smith, Frank Gambale
>collaboration? Better yet, does anyone have this yet?
I have it. It's the same principle as Vital Tech Tones, with Steve Smith,
Scott Henderson, and Victor Wooten, but in my opinion, not as good. Stu's
bass was shoved way back in the mix, and I couldn't really hear it. Frank
was way up front. Great for guitarists, but bad for us bass players. I was a
little disappointed by it, especially since I'm a fairly big Stu Hamm fan as
well (he's great to go drinking with). He does do some really interesting
stuff, but I found it very hard to hear.
Then again, I thought the mix on FII was perfect - what do I know? :)
Nicholas Giannotti
Joint STARS Contracting
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
"A day without sunshine is like....night."
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:22:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Johnny Carwash <sampo@pconline.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: free weekly football pool
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980903092126.31675A-100000@newton.pconline.com>
Pat Quoth:
> http://games-espn.sportszone.com/cgi/pickem/Request.dll?FRONTPAGE
>
> Go to the above link, sign up, and then join the group "Ytsejam Football
> Pool". No password is required. Signup before this weekend when the
> games start.
Yes! Go do this! I will kick all of your pathetic arses! Even with the
damn point spread.
DT content... I had a DT dream the other night... I'm not gonna tell you
sickos about it though. :P
id game-picker.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:30:44 +0100
From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Mind Control....HY Jap Version...Trades ??
Message-ID: <80256674.004E9340.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk>
Ok Jammers,
Exactly the same as last time I picked up a boot which got my juices
flowin' (Guitar Talkin) I've just got another beauty and am open for tape
trade offers. Although I'm still kinda shocked at the minimal response to
Guitar Talkin as it is one awesome cd.
I've just got back from a vacation in Malaysia and Singapore, cool country
and excellent exchange rate for my English Pound.....purchases included
Tapes
Awake (minus Scarred obviously but worth it just to hear the wacked out
running order...Innocence Faded-SDV!!)
FII (minus no tracks.........mmmmmmmm....interesting)
Skid Row-40 Seasons...Best Of
Monster Magnet -Superjudge
Firehouse-Good Acoustics (OK cheesy 80's band but cool summer acoustic
album....."baby dont treat me baaaaaaad")
All of these 'new' tapes were œ2
The Wedding Singer OST- (Hey we all had an adolescence you know....too
shy,shy.....)
CDs
Mind Control (2CD top quality recording of Awake gig in japan plus
obligatory Tears and Silent Man acoustic as on Guitar Talkin) cost me œ10
Hollow Years jap import (with BMS/HK version and AH/TKH live Birch Hill)
didnt expect a lyric sheet to be included with all the songs inside
including The Way it Used To Be lyrics and You not Me instead of You or Me
but this was a bonus) cost me œ7
Tesla-Times Makin Changes- (Say no more.....I miss these guys)
Anyway if anybody's interested....drop me a line I still have a tape and
copy of artwork all ready for GT as a jammer dropped out of a trade.
By the way anybody heard Poundhound by Doug Pinnick yet ????????
Ytsehugs & Smiles
Steve (the UK jammer slowly building a half decent boot collection......but
too slowly)
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:03:24 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Chromakey IRC chat???
Message-ID: <35EEAFBC.C64DAD05@pacbell.net>
Bungle wrote:
>
> What's up? Nobody mentions the IRC chat with Kevin.
> Is there a transcript of the chat? Or was there a chat anyway?
You can find a transcript of the chat on Itchy's Chroma Key page:
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ck/
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl _________________________________________ THOUGHTS - The Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard _________________________________________------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:24:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Steve Stevens Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980903112111.5929D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Dushko wrote: > him, I heard he played with Billy Idol. Is this true? I might now him > then, but > what's this pre-occupation with Spanish flamenco guitars? :) > Is he famous for this stuff or it's just a phase he's in these days? :)
Listen to the intro of "The Edge" on Vince Neil's first solo album (1993). Steve Stevens plays guitar on this album (and may write most if not all of the music as well). The beginning of "The Edge" has a sort of "flamenco" sound to it. At least I've always thought so. I'm no expert on flamenco guitars, though.
Robert Taylor rctaylor@uiuc.edu http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Derek rumour Message-ID: <19980903162849.10256.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
"Jim Colberg" <JamesArin@snet.net> wrote:
> Rumor has it, from an industry insider, that Derek is on the way out. > Why you ask? Caught in bed with the Keyboard tech's Wife.
I think that this particular rumor is totally false. The real story occurred after the recent show in SF. Derek violated the DT "No Hootenanny" rule. Of course he did not intentially break the rule, it was only a technical violation. (As a matter of fact, one of three girls REALLY was a girl, and Derek claims that he thought the other two were also female...) Rumor also has it that KJLB was going to join in, but jumped back when he got a glimpse up one of their dresses. At that point he decided to get out the video camera and tape the whole episode instead. He may release this as a bootleg video along with other "candid" video he has taken of Derek's exploits. ;op
my $.01, BH
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Keyboard tab(?) Message-ID: <199809031642.MAA07219@umbc8.umbc.edu>
do they have keyboard tab? yeah, they have keyboard tab--it's called sheet music. :)
serioulsy, if you're going to be learning a whole new method of reading anyway (which is what music-reading is) you might as well just go all the way and learn the most practical method possible.
once you get the basics you'd really be surprised how fast you can learn more and more.
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:10:24 +0100 From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Keyboard tab(?) Message-ID: <01bdd75d$bd9daec0$LocalHost@elydian>
>Hi, since my brother's been taking lessons for a while and we recently >got a synth ( Korg N5 , thanx whoever sugested it...it roX!) ive been >getting into playing the thing..and ive gotten some stuff down... but >since my theory knowledge is very limited... i need some help..is there >such a thing as keyboard tab?! hehe.. im thinking of buying the chord >computer..which has a lcd diagram of the keyboard and you enter whatever >chord you want and it shows you... but i dont know... any help would be >appreciateD!
I highly recommend learning to read music, and learning theory, it makes everything a damn sight easier. It saves you having to use any chord books, because you'll know how to work the chords out for yourself. Chord theory on its own is not too much to learn, but I recommend, if you're serious, to learn all theory, it will improve your musicianship no end.
======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:41:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek RUMOR SQUASH Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980903134043.4581A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Well, look at that. We chased him away. Good going, guys. That's the way to go. Now he really doesn't like us. :) At least Mike is still around. Right? Mike? Are you there? Are you going to leave us too?
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:13:12 -0500 From: drnewb@spiff.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Klank/Circle/LS Message-ID: <199809031909.MAA02539@odin.ax.com>
> Klank rocks! On his cd, he thanks mike portnoy and dream theater, I'm > not sure if mike did any tracks for him, though. Also, Klank's old band > Circle of Dust rocks too. They have a kinda new one out called > Disengage, it's probably the best industrial I've heard in a while. > Another good Christian hardcore band is Living Sacrifice. Yeah, I actually almost forgot about the thanks section (the name of Klank's current full-length is Still Suffering). Daren Diolosa (Klank) is one of the coolest guys, too. When I hung out with him some at Cornerstone this past year, he noticed my DT shirt and asked where I saw them and stuff like that. He should have a new Klank release sometime this fall. He said if he doesn't get signed, he'll release it himself. It's supposed to be pretty brutal :). He's also got some other projects in the works. Lethal MOB (which is supposed to be sort of a thrash/rap thing (i.e. Sepultura meets something rap)) and another project that's supposed to be a bit more laid-back. The latest (and last) Circle of Dust release is good, but it's a bit more electronic than their earlier stuff, so if you dig more grinding guitars, try to find the Brainchild release. And I must vouch for Living Sacrifice. Their latest release (Reborn) tends more toward heavy groove hardcore metal, as opposed to the death metal stylings of their earlier stuff. It's all good, though :).
Dale R. Newberry
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:25:18 -0500 From: panymex <ecaballe@mail.pty.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected Message-ID: <199809031925.OAA19503@avatar.pty.com>
At 08:57 AM 9/3/98 -0700, you wrote: >Your posting to list YTSEJAM was rejected. >Reason: message size limit exceeded (maximum allowed: 10000 bytes) >The first few lines of your message are included herein for reference: > > >At 04:16 PM 9/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >> YTSEJAM Digest 4249 >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1) Fates Warning Live >> by "Chris Milne" <cmilne@wam.umd.edu> >> 2) Re: John Myung bass sound >> by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> > >
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:57:56 EDT From: Madsag@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: get down Message-ID: <1cbbb028.35eef4c4@aol.com>
ralph posted:
<< The digs at the MP's and Derek's looks/attire? Argueably unnecessary. I felt distracted by them, so that took something away from the "experience". No big deal and hardly a cut/slice/dice. >>
distracted by Mike's hair and Derek's clothing choices? jesus christ. its a fucking CONCERT not The Miss America Pageant.
are you related to HotNWetGrl? (aol people will get that)
humored by the fact a guy posted this melissa madsag@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:26:44 +1000 From: bj reurich <reurich@pbq.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Christian "Prog' Metal Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980904062644.007664bc@mail.pbq.com.au>
Ok, so I'm about a week late on this one! forgive me already.
Interesting thread that went on here though, and I thought I'd add some comments on some of the more progressive christian bands I've come across in my wanderings.
Firstly SAVIOUR MACHINE ! I can't believe there is people on this list who havn't heard/heard of them yet! Can you say epic, symphonic, operatic, gothic tinged, progressive metal? Of course you can, but can you envisage it? Not until you've heard a Saviour Machine album. As has been already noted, Saviour Machine is an incredible band. Totally unique, (in my experience anyways), totally mindblowing. There's a few good web pages out there, devoted to the band, I'd suggest if you have even an inkling of interest in them you look one up and check out some sound samples. BTW they are currently 2/3 the way through a Trilogy of albums called "legend" Basically, it's a three part concept album, based on the singers interpretation of the prophetic books of the bible. Food for thought indeed. (Though, I gotta admit not really having spent any time delving into the lyrics of Legend Pt 1 or 2 yet... a task for a rainy day perhaps :-) ) As for 'getting into' Saviour Machine - it takes a while .. like all good things. However, if youre a metal fan (like me) I'd suggest going for their debut album - "Saviour Machine I". If your a fan of lighter, more 'keyboard' based music, or perhaps getting into DT through a love of Rush or Pink Floyd then I'd suggest getting "Saviour Machine II" (The second album) While the two Legend discs ~are~ my favuorite of the band at thispoint in time, I wouldn't suggest getting them straight up, much like trying to run before you can crawl.
Veni Domine :_ AN awesome blend of doom and progressiveness. Take one part Queensryche and 2 parts Candlemass and youve got Veni Domine. An even though I'm a big fan of Candlemass, I gotta say with the prog influences thrown in VD blow them away - completly and utterly. They have two albums out so far (the third should be available very soon) I'd say go for the debut 'Fall Babylon Fall' over their second 'Material Santuary' - but not by much :-)
Khollaspe : - These three (young) guys are just plain cool. (Christian) Australian Death/Dark metal with tons of progressive elements. If you can enjoy (or endure) the indecipherable vocal on some tracks then this, their debut is well worth the effort. Mucho looking forward to a follow-up from them.
Paramaecium : Another australian former (and still kinda) death/grindcore band. Their latestalbum, Within The Ancient Story is a full blown concept album, with music styles ranging from simple flute arrangements and clear female vocals thru to full on death metal material. Along the way we hear violins, cellos, operatic vocals, etc etc, plus plenty of heavy distorted guitars. Hell, the singer even wrote a short novel to accompany the album! How's that for conceptual?? Sadly, this one for me didn't quite live up to the hope and potential I had thought it had... maybe it's just the 'style' doesn't really gel with my tastes.
Believer : Believer started out as a straightfoward thrash/death outfit. Then came the second album Sanity Obscure, and they'd started to experiment a little with violin and opera singing on a couple of tracks. Apart from that there is alot of good music (although not progressive) on it, not least an incredible cover of U2's 'Like A Song' But the real reason I mention Believer here is for there 3rd album "Dimensions". Here we see Believer at full tilt, experimental and very tight. Kinda deathy vocals are still prominent, but the music! Throw in a lot of prog elements to the aforementioned thrash/death style, such as time changes etc, add a dash of psycho industrial reasoning (seasoning?) and you have an idea of the first 6 songs on the album. The final 20minute + 'track' made up of three movements is called "Trilogy Of Knowledge" and is far and away the single most co-herent mixture of metal, violins and opera I have ever heard. AN awesome track, an worth the entry price alone, although, the 20minutes always seems to go by in a second when listening to this one!! Highly recommended :-)
Well.... there's something.. a bit about 4 of my favourite christian artists. (and Paramaecium thrown in for good measure) There's still a few bands I have, that I havn't mentioned that have progressive elements such as Sacred Warrior (queensrychey elements) Deliverence (were thrash/speed, but have lately turned quite interesting incorporating much progressive metal into their style, sounding pretty queensryche influenced to me), Betrayal (awesome technical/thrash metal, with an unfortunate choice of singer ;-( ) and of course Tourniquet, whom others have mentioned. Their most 'technical' and progressive (and best IMO) is their 2nd and 3rd albums. Other stuff is good, but more simpler and not quite as interesting....
anway, Gotta go now finally, :-) thanks that's all Zajk
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