YTSEJAM Digest 4265
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Symphony X quote/ Heavy (good) stuff/ Ktulu-Cthulhu/ Conception
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
2) King's X tour
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
3) Re: LotR
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
4) Fave movie
by Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
5) Italian Dreamers site
by Simona <gigauri@tin.it>
6) Dream out Loud
by Everett Painter <evpainte@davidson.edu>
7) Metro II and OiaL review
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
8) DT bootleg trade (UK only)
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
9) Superior new CD
by "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
10) hypocrasy stings again, DTC really!
by Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4262
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
12) Re: hypocrasy stings again, DTC really!
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) Re: LOTR soundtrack/Savatage shows
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
14) Lord of the What? Huh? Who?
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
15) Re: Payne's Gray and MetII already recorded
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
16) LotR
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
17) random replies
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
18) Portnoy (GOD)
by illusion@ibbs.com
19) As for comments on general Japanese CD
by "Tetsu Hamanaka" <thamanaka@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:10:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Symphony X quote/ Heavy (good) stuff/ Ktulu-Cthulhu/ Conception
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980910114719.5781A-100000@ux10.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> What are some of you guys' favorite heavy CD's?
I'd say a good HEAVY band would be Nevermore (my favorite CD of theirs
being "The Politics of Ecstasy"). They have a good vocalist Warrel Dane
who doesn't sing in the high range (like the singers of most of my
favorite bands), but he has such power. The music... I wouldn't call it
prog at all, but it seems to be quite technical (keep in mind that I'm not
a musician). They're currently working on a new album "Dreaming Neon
Black" for all those who are curious as to what they're up to.
> Conception: I've never heard 'em before......... could somebody tell me
> something about these guys?
I usually call them melodic prog/power metal. Their vocalist Roy S. Khan
is in my top 5 favorite vocalists (in the company of JLB, Geoff Tate, Ray
Alder, and D.C. Cooper - to give you an idea of the kind of vocalists I
like, not to start a top whatever list). The rest of the band seem to be
good musicians as well (still keeping in mind that I'm not a musician).
I'd say Queensryche is an influence, though I hesitate to compare
Conception to any band. They definitely have their own style. And
Conception is a little heavier than Queensryche IMO.
Robert Taylor
rctaylor@uiuc.edu
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: King's X tour
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.02A.9809101323080.12180-100000@copland.udel.edu>
Anyone know if King's X and the Cowboys are planning a show in Philly or
not? Also could someone email me the date for the BirchHell show, as it
looks like the show I'm going to attend. One last thing.... anyone with
info on the new King's X album should post it (fucking-a I had that info
and lost it, oh well I know it coming soon).
later.....andy
Andrew Miller
ytsejam@Udel.Edu
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:00:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: LotR
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980910134452.29269A-100000@gs.bass.org>
All I can say about this fine work of fantasy and trying to make it
into a movie: Don't. I'm sure they (the Powers That Be in H-wood) are going
to try anyway, and massacre an incredible work. Any attempt at trying to
force 3 (or 4 if you count the Hobbit) long novels into 2 hrs is going to
be disaster. The animated version by Ralph Bakshi kicks major ass and is
more than enough and had to be split into two movies (it's too bad the
second one didn't look nearly as good as the first).
Regarding scoring of the soundtrack, they'll probably wind up recruiting
Danny Elfman, which would be cool, or James Horner (not so cool). Now,
another option could be to make a rock opera out of it and have Sean
Connery lip sync JLB <sarcasm>. But Mad Magazine already did something
like that with song parodies many many moons ago. In conclusion, it would
be nice if the movie could be done without ruining the story, but chances
are slim.
pw
a Hay-uge Tolkein fan.
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Paul's thought for the Month:
Don't sweat it, we'll get it back to you. Overkill...
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 20:55:03 +0200
From: Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fave movie
Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980909205503.2b6f3320@pop.gmx.net>
I'm kind of surprised nobody has mentioned Amadeus -- it's somewhat
musically themed, entertaining & thought-provoking at the same time. Go see
it sometime.
Totikus
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:54:47 +0200
From: Simona <gigauri@tin.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Italian Dreamers site
Message-ID: <35F818D5.4C61@tin.it>
Hi everybody!
For all the Italian fellow out there: Our Italian Dreamers' site
is now definitively at:
http://www.dreamtheater.net/italy
And for those who haven't visited our site yet: Check it out!!!! We
have new links and sections!
Bye,
Simo.
--
<< Today I've been given the prize for what I've done
Health, and fame, and the lust of power
but innocence is gone. >>
The Seeds of Hate
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:37:03 -0400
From: Everett Painter <evpainte@davidson.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream out Loud
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19980910143703.00910e90@phoenix.davidson.edu>
Hi all....
I just saw 2 boots posted for sale from Kiss the Stone records.
Dream out Loud
Lords of sound
Could someone send me a review of these? Also, what is the reputation
of KtS records?
Thanks- Everett
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:10:47 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metro II and OiaL review
Message-ID: <v01510102b21dc9593324@[194.7.177.190]>
On On last last night's night's episode episode of of the the
Ytsejam Ytsejam,, Dushko Dushko wrote wrote::
>P.S. Attemp #2: Is Metropolis part II going to be on the new studio
>album????????????
Okay, once more, MP said they have a song called Metropolis part II, they will
POSSIBLY record it NEXT YEAR, and only God, or whoever's running EastWest,
knows if it'll be on the next studio album. Happy now? :-)
Someone posted a review of the first disc of Once In A Livetime. Please DO
NOT post
a review of the second disc. If you do, I will sue you for a new keyboard,
I don't think
this thing can take another load of drool from me 8-)
FiveNgroK
/me practices drooling in cup now
CP: Magellan - Test of Wills
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much,
but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck."
(Kevin Moore)
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:10:45 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT bootleg trade (UK only)
Message-ID: <v01510101b21dbe4899ba@[194.7.177.190]>
Yo,
I'm willing to trade my copy of DoE with someone from the UK.
Anyone interested, email me privately.
Take care,
FiveNgroK
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much,
but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck."
(Kevin Moore)
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:50:21 -0600
From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior new CD
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980910125021.00797650@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
Hi!
I was wondering where I can buy the new Superior CD? Looks like The Laser's
Edge and Knights Of the Round doesn't havet it yet.
Thank you!
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:41:09 -0400
From: Nathan Rood <nrood@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
To: Screaming in Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: hypocrasy stings again, DTC really!
Message-ID: <35F82B54.313E0C76@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> There is ZERO room for improv. in a
> Dream Theater song. Still, I loved some of their new stuff (Peruvian Skies in
> particular)
This is a hillarious review, the guy literally sits there at the show watching DT do
the take-offs on Pink Floyd and M*tallica during Peruvian Skies and then runs home to his
computer going "there's no room for improv in DT". Alas, if they only could've had more
time on stage to jam out Metropolis. BTW-I sent my review of DT's set that I posted here
the morning after the show I went to to the Highway Star......maybe they'll post it?
-Nate
--
Nathan Rood / handle: Horizen
mailto:nrood@utk.edu \ ICQ: 6170743
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything,
or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking.
Earl Hindman
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:53:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4262
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980910145128.25573A-100000@ux10.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 Awake77@aol.com wrote:
> Re: Conception
> Are they still around? I heard they broke up.
They did. Singer Roy S. Khan is now the frontman for Kamelot. Their new
album is due out soon (if it's not out already).
Robert Taylor
rctaylor@uiuc.edu
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: hypocrasy stings again, DTC really!
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980910162451.13059A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Nathan Rood wrote:
> > There is ZERO room for improv. in a
> > Dream Theater song. Still, I loved some of their new stuff (Peruvian Skies in
> > particular)
>
> This is a hillarious review, the guy literally sits there at the show watching DT do
> the take-offs on Pink Floyd and M*tallica during Peruvian Skies and then runs home to his
> computer going "there's no room for improv in DT". Alas, if they only could've had more
improv. - note the period - was used as an abbreviation for
"improvement".
Not a flame, just a correction.....
XOXOXOXOXOX,
Al
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Date: 10 Sep 1998 22:24:22 +0200
From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LOTR soundtrack/Savatage shows
Message-ID: <ubn287emx5.fsf@cerebus.local.org>
Hi all,
>> Also if the LOTR soundtrack is gonna have anybodey on it it has
>> gotta have BLIND GUARDIAN!!!!! : )
Alex> HELL YES!! Was wondering if anyone would bring that up, or
Alex> if Jason Breitweg would raise his head. Took a little while
Alex> though.
Damn you beat me to it. I was at work when all this stuff started to
roll in and I couldn't reply to it fast enough! Damn! Anyway Hansi
and Andre have some plans to make a great classical like project
involving the Lord of the Rings. This is a long way down the road
though but I have faith that it will kick ass. If you are interested
in more about BLIND GUARDIAN please check out thier newest release
_Nightfall in Middle-Earth_ at www.blind-guardian.com. Sorry for the
shameless advertising *laugh*.
Jason
--
Jason T. Breitweg
Jason.Breitweg@desy.de
http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg ICQ# 7495933
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:54:23 -0700
From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lord of the What? Huh? Who?
Message-ID: <000001bddcfd$30dd7ba0$478c15cf@markphil>
Jam,
A. I think it's a great idea for DT to do a movie score, however, I thoug=
ht
most fantasy movies go better with a orch. score than a rock one, but...
that leads me to my second point....
B. WHAT THE HELL IS "LORD OF THE RINGS?" I've never heard of this befor=
e
this post... is this some novel or series or what?
BTW: Could you imagine DT doing some classical arrangements? Malher?
Whoah....
Mark Philpot
Music Creations Limited
http://www.ccnet.com/~griphiam/musiccreations.htm
"In the Stream of Consciousness there is a river crying
living comes much easier once we admit we're dying."
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -Dream Theater "Lines in the Sand"
"One of the greatest labor-saving inventions of today is tomorrow" -
Vincent T. Foss
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:06:38 +0200
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Payne's Gray and MetII already recorded
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980910220638.006a3010@unet.univie.ac.at>
Hell, yea!
I saw them once live as starter for Psychotic Waltz (R.I.P. :-(.....
there are two singers which makes them sort of interesting. i have no album
though. but i think you can check out some mp3s on Moshes Feast.
didnt like the demos too much, to be honest.
seeing them live was cool, but on the tape it loses some magic. worth
checking nevertheless.
PS:Dushko: MetII has already been recorded and is locked away in EastWests
safe wiatin to be released. Mike said that in an interview with german mag
"Heavy oder Was?" He said: "MetII is lying in the safe of our label an is
waiting for its release. We have pushed to our limits all the progressive
elements so that we sort of settled down for the other songs (of FII).
Actually it should have been on FII, but we would have had to kick too many
other songs."
Qestion "what are we gonna get in MetII?"
MP:"Sickness!! Totally overdrawn. We reworked a lot of elements from Part I
and got totally into it. As we gained back our consciousness the thing had
grown to 25 mins."
(Heavy oder Was? 6/97 translated so sorry for the grammar....hope you get
the meaning, hehe.)
i also liked Mikes and Dereks comment about Winter Rose in that inti:
M:"Oh god, we got the disc yesterday and i think its awful!Sorry James.."
D:"i got a lot of pics from high school time at home locked away for nobody
should see how i was running around then.. So they should review that album
a well..."
Derek, we NEED those pics!
Thanks for reading
ytsegreetings, -hugs, and -kisses
NP: Enchant- Break (for the first time, huh.)
Dryheat (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:29:31 -0400
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LotR
Message-ID: <19980910222949.ESGC12025@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey all,
Reading all this speculation on the LotR soundtrack gets me laughing. I
don't think Peter Jackson is going to have much of a choice on the music,
that'll likely be up to the producers. Jackson isn't exactly a Hollywood
name. I wouldn't go with a band at all anyway. Most movies that have
non-orchestral soundtracks sound dated even after a short time. Queen's
soundtrack to Highlander, though quite good, is WAY 80s. Then there's
AC/DC's Maximum Overdrive stk. <gag> :P
My choice as a composer for any dark, brooding movie is Danny Elfman
(Batman, Edward Scissorhands). For a cheerful, exciting film I'd take John
Williams (Star Wars, anything Speilberg). And when you just want to cry
your eyes out, there's James Horner (Braveheart, Glory). There are others
in there (Vangelis was good for some stuff, as are Ennio Morricone and
Maurice Jarre), but these are my top three. I see Elfman for the LotR saga.
I believe he scored Jackson's The Frighteners (great movie), so he's got a
leg up there.
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:24:44 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: random replies
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980910192444.00699d9c@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Busy, busy, busy. New jobs kick ass, but when you're also trying to change
residences, find someone to take over your current lease, plan a weekend
trip, AND keep up with the 'jams....well, it's tough sometimes. :)
Joe D wants to know:
>Conception: I've never heard 'em before......... could somebody tell me
>something about these guys?
They ruled. Conception was one of the best bands I'd ever heard. "In Your
Multitude" has just about everything you need for a great prog-metal album:
waves of atmospheric keyboards, crunching guitar riffs mixed in with
neoclassical shredding, growling bass and drums, and haunting vocals from
one of the top voices in metal today, Roy S. Khan. Sadly, they are now
defunct, with Khan now fronting Kamelot.
Paul D remarked on the upcoming LOTR films:
>Is Peter Jackson directing it like he has been rumoured to be doing
>for the last two years???
>Coz I read an article in an New Zealand paper that said he was
>casting......
Yes, he is directing. No, he is not the sole casting agent. Casting is
being done now but no decisions have been made. And NO, Sean Connery is not
going to play Gandalf. There is no way in hell they could afford him, and
there's no way in hell he'd agree to live in New Zealand (where the films
are being shot) for over a year while they filmed the movies.
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/ for more info and an interview with
Jackson (think that's the right address).
Brian H. inquired:
>Has anyone heard the band "Payne's Gray"? What are they like? Are they
>worth picking up?
Yes, outstanding, and definitely. Payne's Gray was my major discovery of
the year this year (Symphony X was last year's) and I can't imagine why
more people haven't heard of them, or listened to their amazing album
"Kadath Decoded".
Imagine a concept album based on H.P. Lovecraft's "The Dream-Quest of
Unknown Kadath". Cool, huh? Well, add in some haunting music -- acoustic
guitar, swirling flute, and quiet percussion -- to open the tale. Then kick
it into progressive metal overdrive with a hammering wave of heavy guitars,
bass and drums thundering like a chant to some dark god, with unexpectedly
operatic vocals from two (yes, two) lead vocalists. Lush beds of symphonic
keyboards mix with the waves of metal sound to create an amazing musical
dreamland, and you'll be drawn right into it.
I consider it one of my life's missions to see to it that every prog fan
buys this disc. :) More info on the band can be found at their official
website:
http://www.people.memphis.edu/~pharvstn/paynesgray.html
Check it out.
Ta,
Phil
=========================================================
Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Superior -- "Younique"
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:51:40 -0500
From: illusion@ibbs.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Portnoy (GOD)
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.18.9.10.-13.51.40.2781591004.1383856@bbs.ibbs.com>
Damnit...
At first I came on this list to see what it was like...hm, nothing
special, but then I noticed Portnoy and Derek write on it, so it
interested me more. Well, Derek is gone, cause a select number of
ignorant fucks on here like to bash him. Anyway, I'd like to see some
messages from Portnoy aka God. Not only is this kissing ass, but its
true. Never seen a better Drummer in my life. And for the second best
drummer I'd have to say Jizmak Da Gusha from GWAR. :> Anyone agree?
Hm, anyway...if you're out there Mike, lets see some messages. :)
Enjoying his McDonalds,
Ryan
Message sent via <href="www.ibbs.com">Illusions BBS</a>.
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:04:20 PDT
From: "Tetsu Hamanaka" <thamanaka@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: thamanaka@hotmail.com
Subject: As for comments on general Japanese CD
Message-ID: <19980911000421.20491.qmail@hotmail.com>
Brian wrote...
"If the Japanese release didn't have extra songs (or disc in the case of
DT-FII), the consumers could get U.S. imports (which would then have the
same track listing) for less than the Japanese version, and the Japanese
concerns (subsidiaries of the record companies?) that make money off of
Japanese releases, don't anymore."
Hi, on the comment of Japanese cd situation, I think that what you wrote
is very precise. I am very surprised about this. I am not sure that
Japanese version has better sounding thatn US or European version. I
have only Japanese version of Images And Words, but I also enjoy the
sound quality of all DT albums. One of my Japanese VH fan also told me
that Japanese cd version seems to have better sounding, but I think
quality of American/European/Japanese cds is almost same (I think...). I
heard that if you know how to get a better sounding of cd, you cut on
the surface very thininly (I do not know how..maybe, using sophisticated
divice). Then you will get better sounding, but amatuer listners had
better not try to do this. Because I do not want to hear the complains
that this method might break your precious cd. If someone knows how to
cut surface on the cd for getting better sounding, ask him/her who knows
this kind of myth (cd sound quality).
Ok, basically I rather bought import cds from US and Europe at Tower
Record or HMV when I was in Japan. The reason why I bought those cds at
Tower Records is that 10$ cheaper than Domestic cds. I strongly bellieve
that quality is not very different between US version and domestic
version. If I can get some progressive cds and HR/HM cds, I tried to get
cds from Tower Record as many as possible. It saves money big time.
In addition, some Japanese listeners need to read translated lyrics
(because we have hard time to understand English =) and have hard time
to catch what they are playing about. Therefore, liner notes and
translated lyrics costs more money. Basically, if you go to Japan, you
might spend buying cds about $20 to $24 dollar. That is why I avoid
buying domestic cds.
Right now, I have been staying in Hawaii for long time. Therefore,
sometimes I buy some imports cds from Japan (mainly Zero Corporation
artists/groups). But it costs 25 dollar!!, but music is good, so I
compromised buying some stuff (for example, Symphony X, Without Warning
and Shotgun Symphony, Guild Of Age, and so on).
If you are curious about Japanese music scene, let me know. Right now,
Vigilante, Zenith, Blindman, and Concerto Moon are hot Japanese HR/HM
bands as well as United and Outrage.
Thanks
Tetsu Hamanaka (Japanese Progressive Music Pilgrim)
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