YTSEJAM Digest 4271
Today's Topics:
1) Savatage and wrestling, and gold records.
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
2) Helloween (WAY NDTC! :-)
by Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
3) Candlebox
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
4) pink floyd
by Brandansh@aol.com
5) About Mike's Clinics
by Bernardo Borghetti <borghetti@netgo.com.br>
6) Re: Chroma Key
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4270
by Bezerk02@aol.com
8) Re: About Mike's Clinics
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
9) Re: Heavy Metal
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
10) recording
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
11) vote for ACOS
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
12) Re: Improv / James / Savatage (Lengthy)
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
13) IQ Recommendations?
by lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4270
by hajejan <hajejan@online.no>
15) Re: Pulp Fiction
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
16) Powermad 1998 cds
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
17) Re: Pulp Fiction
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.demon.co.uk>
18) Re: Saxon whines
by "Saxon" <hazex@jps.net>
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:05:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Ytsejam: Where Dream and Flames Unite" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage and wrestling, and gold records.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980914085820.21556C-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:00:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: WCW guy wearing a SAVATAGE shirt
> Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980913165739.13716A-100000@bergman.umail.ucsb.edu>
>
>
>
>
> Cruising through the stations, I saw a wrestler from the WCW
> wearing a SAVATAGE "Dead Winter Dead" shirt. It blew me away!
> I don't know the wrestlers name, but he was in the ring with
> a microphone ordering a guy around.
It's funny, Jon Oliva was talking about this very thing the other
day before the Savatage show. Despite the fact that Savatage has
something like 10 albums out in America in recent years, not one of them
has EVER gone gold. However, he does get royalties from two gold
records. One is the recent Trans-Siberian Orchestra Album, and the other
is from a song he did on a World Championship Wrestling album that he
worked on a couple of years ago. Strange, eh? He also alluded to the
fact that Atlantic only keeps Savatage on their label, since Trans
Siberian Orchestra made gold last year. That, my friends, is fucked up.
Oh, and for those interested, the new Trans Siberian Orchestra
will be out October 13th. Also, Jon has already started writing songs
for the next Savatage album which will be much more heavier than the last
couple.
> has the new HELLOWEEN been released in the US yet? what label
> are they on now?
Yup. F.A.D. records has em. I've seen it in both Tower and HMV
recently.
-jeremy
+================================================================+
Do you believe...all the things you are seeing are true?
The Start is where the End is leading you
Do you believe...all's as twisted as one would percieve?
Seek the answer, and soon you'll believe.
-Symphony X Through the Looking Glass
+================================================================+
Jeremy Hallum, Assistant System Manager & Grad Student,
Astronomy, Boston University/jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:30:15 +0100
From: Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Helloween (WAY NDTC! :-)
Message-ID: <98Sep14.152733gmt+0100.31364@gate.tranemo.se>
> has the new HELLOWEEN been released in the US yet? what label
> are they on now?
Just so I'm in there... the latest Helloween is "Better than raw", right?
I love the Kiske/Hansen-time of Helloween, but nowadays... let's just say that I wouldn't pay a nickle for BTR. Yuck! >-P
//Oysterman
"'A castle in the swamp', they said, 'are you mad'?
So I build a castle, just to show them.
And it sank into the swamp.
I build a second one, that too sank into the swamp.
I build a third one. That burned down, fell over and
then sank into the swamp."
- Monty Python (I hope I cited it right)
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:19:51 -0400
From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Candlebox
Message-ID: <35FD17F3.BFB67F9C@seacoast.com>
>now, for a more musical note... i saw candlebox play last thursday
night
>(tempus is swell). i had very low expectations, but was glad to have
my
>ass blown away. kevin martin is a very charismatic and talented
frontman.
>and he's also the only person i know who can scream just like david lee
>roth. they covered a bit of runnin' with the devil. it was
frightening.
>dave krusen (pearl jam, ten) is a good fit for these guys on drums. i
>highly suggest checking these guys out if they come to your township.
Yeah, I kind of consider myself a prog guru, and I was a little
fearful of stating that I really get into Candlebox, but at least
someone broke the ice for me. This band definately kicks serious ass,
and would recommend checking out their latest disc Happy Pills,
especially the title track[it Rocks] . ther are a lot of great tunes on
it. I don't know why people classify them as alternacrap, because
they're nowhere near that. Please don't rag on me, Thanks
Bob
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:45:24 EDT
From: Brandansh@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: pink floyd
Message-ID: <e8646081.35fd1df4@aol.com>
since the breakfast where I read the Starr-report, I think PF should do a
remix of Have a Cigar.....
this sucker is nuclear, heavy duty, science-fiction theater, milk - chocolate
When I took the kids to the bus, wearing my AWAKE shirt, a father approached
me cool design, intriguing name. I lend him I&W and FII and wait for his
comments.
schnipp
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:35:17 -0300
From: Bernardo Borghetti <borghetti@netgo.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: About Mike's Clinics
Message-ID: <35FD29A5.5A24CE59@netgo.com.br>
DT will play in Brazil next week.
What is necessary to do a Mike Portnoy Clinic in my city! Somebody can
give me some information???
Thanks!
Bernardo Borghetti
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:22:28 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Chroma Key
Message-ID: <01BDE00C.D031DCC0@8.154.dialin.mxs.nl>
Tony De Laender wrote :
> The album is only available via the Chroma Key website
> at www.chromakey.com
Also, Massacre Records from Germany released it in Europe,
but I have no idea how easy/hard it is to find...
Keep your eye on http://www.chromakey.com because Kevin is
thinking of putting out a CD full of old Chroma Key demos,
and even some songs no one's ever heard before.
And while you're at it, check out my humble KevMo page at:
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ck/
:-)
Mark Bredius
_______________________________________________________
Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website
http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:09:31 EDT
From: Bezerk02@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4270
Message-ID: <543106b4.35fd4dcb@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/14/98 11:56:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< has the new HELLOWEEN been released in the US yet? what label
are they on now?
>>
It will be released on Tuesday under the Relativity Label I believe.
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:40:46 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: About Mike's Clinics
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980914143938.30623A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Bernardo Borghetti wrote:
> DT will play in Brazil next week.
Will they play in Brasilia?
> What is necessary to do a Mike Portnoy Clinic in my city! Somebody can
> give me some information???
Pray he reads your e-mail. I'm quoting you so, perhaps, the chance
that he will read it is increased. :-)
> Thanks!
>
> Bernardo Borghetti
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:10:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Heavy Metal Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980914125548.7447B-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Sun, 13 Sep 1998, J.T. Beachler wrote: > Can anyone on this list suggest some groups similar to DT but heavier? > Kind of like the songs 'the mirror', 'lies' 'erotomania' , 'pmu' and > the begining of 'uagm'. I like all of the heavy stuff but would like > to open up to other similar bands to broaden my own guitar playing.
I'll try to help. I'm not sure I'd put any of these bands as heavier than DT, but I'd place them at least as heavy as DT. I would say some prog metal bands with heavy stuff include Superior. I only own "Behind" so far, but there is plenty of guitar crunch throughout the album (though they have some ballads as well). Ivanhoe is another one. I only own "Polarized." This album isn't as progressive as DT or Superior, but there are a few good heavy songs on the album. From what I've seen the singer say on the Noise Records homepage, they will continue doing heavy stuff (it sounds like there first 2 albums may not have been quite as heavy). I'm not too familiar with Tad Marose (my brother owns 2 of their albums). The only song that I can hear in my head right now by them is "Trader of Souls," which starts out with a guitar crunch riff just as "The Mirror" does. Symphony X has too much classical influence to remind me of DT, but they do have progressive elements and they are heavy.
Robert Taylor rctaylor@uiuc.edu http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:04:25 -0500 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: recording Message-ID: <199809141817.LAA04493@odin.ax.com>
I have recently been considering getting a 4-track recorder. However I am totally new to recording. Consequently I don't have a fucking clue as to what I need to get or how I go about recording. If anyone out there would like to share some knowlegde I am more than willing to listen.
Thanx
Thorin
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:13:56 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: vote for ACOS Message-ID: <35FDE984.4E15@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Great work guys: "A Change Of Seasons" is now on 6th position for the best song of Millenium.
If you haven't vote allready, go to: http://www.listen.to/best.song and give all the 3 points to ACOS.
NP : Timescape - Two Worlds (what a great band!)
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:20:21 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Improv / James / Savatage (Lengthy) Message-ID: <199809141916.PAA18197@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
Nate said...
> Again, not trying to flame, just defending myself. My point is that >there's room for _some_ improv in DT. That's what I like about the >band, the variety.
It really depends, at least for me, on how you define improv. Alot of people have cited the Floyd and Metallica teasers in Peruvian Skies as examples of improvs. I personally can't call something they've done at _all_ their recent shows from the latter leg of the FII tour and the DP/ELP/DT tour an "improvisation." Something that's staged like that, even tho' it's different from the album version, is a rearrangement to me, not an improv. I agree with the original poster on the DP list - DT has _very_ little room for improvisation in their live shows. If you see something at a show you've never seen before, it's a damn good bet to say they'll do it at most, if not all, of their subsequent shows for that leg of the tour. This is the only problem I've ever had with DT's live stuff - if you didn't happen to be a huge fan of theirs going to multiple shows on any given leg of the tour would be more or less worthless... Take, for a perfect example, the several shows done in Europe before the release of FII (4/xx/97 - A Night of New Music With Dream Theater). The setlist was exactly the same for all those shows and you could tell that the crowd was much the same for all of them as well. Portnoy (I bleeve) said during one of those shows "anybody having deja vu?" The crowd knew what was coming and their intensity took a nosedive after the second or third show of that group. People started calling for different songs which eventually led James to ponder "what do you think we are - a fuckin' jukebox?" The band finally realized it tho', and at least threw in the first live Trial of Tears towards the end of that run (4/16/97). This problem (IMO) has gotten alot better recently and I attribute a good portion of that to Derek's influence. I'm not a Derek fan at all, but he does bring a much needed change of pace to the band. FII shows during the first leg were all based around the same framework (LITS, BMS -> Voices, etc). During '98 they tended to mix it up a bit more, tho', and it was very refreshing. Tho' they still used a basic framework for alot of their shows (ACOS 1/2 -> JLMB; closing with the Metrop/LTL/ACOS medely) they've started throwing in things like Anna Lee and Speak to Me (ugh) and changed the middle of the show pretty often. One thing I've gotta say about any show they do tho', they are - without fail - as tight as anyone could possibly ask for, and that's what keeps me listening.
Listening to a few recent tapes, I find myself actually agreeing wholeheartedly with something Mike Bahr said once about a year ago. Anyone who's watched the Bahr wars knew I had a good part in starting one or two of them (very unfortunately), but we are in total agreement over this one statement: James LaBrie is the MAN. He's only gotten better since the I&W tour with no apparent regression in sight. He is THE voice of DT and I really haven't heard anyone that could possibly replace him.
Also wanted to mention that I picked up Savatage's Dead Winter Dead on recomendation from the 'Jam and I'm extremely impressed with it. Thanks to everyone who pushed it....
That's my post for the month. <shameless plug> As always, anyone who'd like to _trade_ DT/prog boots please get in touch with me. </plug> Take care all...
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine(-at-)bellsouth.net ICQ: 9382967 http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~alpine ^^ Above URL for Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IQ Recommendations? Message-ID: <199809141914.PAA22882@umbc8.umbc.edu>
I have "Subterranea" and I really love it. I don't really know much about the band or their discography though. What else would you recommend that would be along the same lines as "Sub"?
Thanks
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 98 22:03:05 +0200 From: hajejan <hajejan@online.no> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4270 Message-ID: <199809142001.WAA09285@mail1.sol.no>
>And here the part of the monkeys finishes. I saw the rest of the >film just once, and a long time ago, so, I didn't see it >carefully. >So, that's it. Uhmm.. I might just be a tad off, but to my knowledge, monkeys knocking each other upside the head doesn't have too much to do with Dream Theater..
Then again, if I see how some of the discussions on the 'jam come rolling along..... :)
Ciao!
Haje
+--------------------------------------+ | Known as - Haje Jan, Velites -J | | E-mail - HajeJan@online.no | | Home page - http://welcome.to/haje | | Cellphone# - 918 52 657 | +--------------------------------------+ | I am made from the dust of the stars | | And the oceans flow in my vains | +-------------------------------(rush)-+
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:05:24 -0500 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Pulp Fiction Message-ID: <l03130300b223273f8358@[128.83.128.6]>
and, that's Marcellus Wallace's soul in that breifcase. The devil took it from the back of his neck, and that's why there's a bandaid there.
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin Undeclared in Liberal Arts and Proud of it! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace I'm Learning to Live Dream Theater "Learning to Live" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:35:34 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Powermad 1998 cds Message-ID: <35FD7E16.EA3AF028@trw.com>
an update for all those who went to Powermad 1998:
> The POWERMAD '98 samplers are in the shipping stages, so you shall see it very > soon. Sorry about the delays, however the printing made this disc a huge > nightmare. > Thank you so much for your interests in the festival and next years shall be > much better in many ways.... > > Best Wihes, > > Keith Menser > Global Connections
Yep, it looks like after 2 messy years, he will do it again next year....
NP:Aztec Jade-Frame of Mind -- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Hail To The Redskins, Hail Victory" | |----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:12:43 +0100 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.demon.co.uk> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Pulp Fiction Message-ID: <006401bde01f$19512c00$6489edc1@simon-s-pc>
>1) In the scene when John Travolta and Samuel Jackson enter the > room with the punks who stealed that misterious suitcase. > When Travolta finds it and opens it, the password (lock) number > of the suitcase is 666! :) > Anybody noticed it? Any idea what can it mean? Does anything > in this movie means anyhting? :)
Here is a theory that I heard that fits.
The briefcase is supposed to hold Marsellus Wallace's soul which was stolen by the devil. This theory is based on the fact that when you first see Marcellus Wallace (in the bar with Bruce Willis) you only see the back of his head which has a plaster on it. Apparently in the bible (I don't know cause I haven't read it), it states that the devil is supposed to remove your soul though the back of your neck, This explains the plaster, the code for the briefcase and the glow ( in a kind of corny way).
>2) Also when Bruce Willis drives with the cab running away after the > fight, the background is ... weird!. Ya know, usually when there's > scene in a car driving, the background is always a street screne > moving which is supposed to make the illusion that it really is > recorded like that. Well here Taranatino does the same BUT, the > background is BLACK-WHITE!!?!? No colors. ???
I hadn't notice this which is really annoying because I will probably have to watch it all again. Mind you according to statistics I should have watched it a lot more than I have (only about 3 or 4 times) to be an "average" human being.
Simon Christie "There is no normality" - me, just now.
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:42:25 -0700 From: "Saxon" <hazex@jps.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Saxon whines Message-ID: <003001bde020$491489e0$010000c0@p200>
I dont recall asking you, cocksucker. So, back atcha'
> >> Agreed. . .I would also like to get off this list, I just need to know how. > >Hmm... WTF!? > >You see, when you signed up, you had COMPLETE info on how to get off, just as everyone else. >And there is Ytsejam info at MANY places on the web, telling you how to - READ IT!!! > >//Oysterman > "To be a rock, but not to roll..." > >
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