YTSEJAM Digest 4276
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Derek
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
2) Peruvian Skies
by Oscar Garcia Verastegui <trashboy@amauta.rcp.net.pe>
3) Re: SHRED anyone
by Wcphill@aol.com
4) Mr. Sherinian
by Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
5) Re: This is DT, not Clinton Vote98!
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) Metallica
by illusion@ibbs.com
7) Meltdown
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
8) question
by "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
9) Another review from me
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
10) Subscribe ytsejam Balaji K.R.
by "Balaji K. Rangaswamy" <fd94326@pagan.bits-pilani.ac.in>
11) Non-prog worth listening to
by Kevin Loechner <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
12) Unsubscribing from the Ytsejam
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
13) Kamelot's "Siege Perilous"
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
14) Angra - Fireworks (review)
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
15) re: Derek
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
16) Dave Mustaine on America's Bad Channel
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
17) Thanks Andrew for Live CD Info
by ClPuritan@aol.com
18) Help contacting a Ytsejammer
by Jaime Chevalier <jrod@WPI.EDU>
19) Something new at 5:00 EST!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
20) Japan Bootlegs
by Jaime Chevalier <jrod@WPI.EDU>
21) Re: question
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:57:21 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980915225720.0070b4c0@postoffice.syspac.com>
>What is the deal!? am I the only person who thinks Derek is Waaaaaaaaaaayy
>better than Kevin?
yes.
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:48:26 +0500 (GMT)
From: Oscar Garcia Verastegui <trashboy@amauta.rcp.net.pe>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Peruvian Skies
Message-ID: <m0zJ21S-0013SPC@amauta.rcp.net.pe>
Hi.
Does anyone knows the reason behind the name of this song?.
Regards;
Oscar
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:05:40 EDT
From: Wcphill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com, jpyyz@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: SHRED anyone
Message-ID: <81962381.35ff6344@aol.com>
Definately check out Symphony X. Michael Romeo SHREDS his ass off and the
songs are amazing as well. I also love the keyboard work. In my opinion,
they are the best new band... EVER!
Warren P.
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:30:53 +0100
From: Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mr. Sherinian
Message-ID: <98Sep16.092810gmt+0100.31379@gate.tranemo.se>
I totally ignore Rick Audet and ramble on about Derek:
To compare Sherinian and Moore is a virtual impossibility. OK, they play =
the same instrument, they play (played) in DT - but there's no more =
likes between them. They have totally different styles. Kevin Moore is =
more of a keyboard player than Sherinian. Sherinian is more of a "guitar =
player" on keyboards, and he does a great job with that.
To me, Kevin Moore is more of Dream Theater. Derek Sherinian represents =
everything DT isn't to me. But I like the things he play. E.g. I just =
LOOOVE the keyboard solo on "Deep in heaven" part of ToT. I LOOOVE the =
song concepts he comes up with (NM, LitS, AL)... but it's really not DT =
to me... I can't find a good way to explain myself.
Jim Shields:
> Kevin's parts in some of the older songs, esp. on
> Awake, really annoy me now. For example, on CiaW,=20
> that main keybd theme is a pretty cool part, but it sounds=20
> pretty lame with that string sound. The organ on the intro=20
> of the Mirror is pretty tame, too,
Don't you think that has something to do with the producer? I bet that =
David Prater and John&Duane suggested that Kevin should have those =
sounds. When DT began their cooperation with Shirley, I guess they must =
have had some sort of discussion what sounds to use on that and that =
instrument and the likes. Maybe Derek was stubborn enough to win the =
"choice of sounds" debate.
Correct me if I'm wrong, 'cause I don't know shit 'bout this, it's a =
wild guess.
> Anyway, all you people who like Kevin Moore better are on crack.
Oh, OK... anyone know a good drug dealer? :-)
//Oysterman
"To be a rock, but not to roll..."
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:35:02 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: This is DT, not Clinton Vote98!
Message-ID: <01bde144$84485300$200d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
>Get off yo----- (scratch that) Get on your asses and grab your mouse! Not
>you Korg, you can't be trusted with it.
But I DO want an Executive review committee to coem over to my house and
review my slap bass technique. :( Unfortunately, the first thing they'd
probably do is send the SPCA and PETA after me. Sonuvabitching bleeding
hearts... Anyway, if anyone sent anything to me that I haven't replied to
in the last few days, please send them again... My hard drive just crashed
last weekend and I'm finally back up and running again. :P Don't ever
fuckin' buy a Quantum hard drive folks. (I didn't either, came with the
machine).
--KorgX3
NP: Loreena McKennit, The Book of Secrets
Q: Why are Monica Lewinsky's cheeks so puffy?
A: She's withholding evidence.
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:14:50 -0500
From: illusion@ibbs.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metallica
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.18.9.16.7.14.50.2781591004.1385946@bbs.ibbs.com>
Someone explain to me why people keep putting *'s in Metallica when
referring to them?
Message sent via <href="www.ibbs.com">Illusions BBS</a>.
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:27:00 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Meltdown
Message-ID: <006E825D144DD21194AC00A024D1C3410F69C8@ms.kallback.com>
> >-- Anything by Vinnie Moore ("Mind's Eye" and "Meltdown" are both
> good
> >starting points)
>
> I can't find Meltdown anywhere!!!! New, used or even on-line.
> Can someone help me out?
> Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
> Trevor
> trevorw@ms.kallback.com
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:03:51 +0200 (CEST)
From: "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980916135701.31080A-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
ok guys i got 3 questions..i'd be more than grateful if u could help me
with them
1. whenever it comes to rhythm changes like 4/4 -> 7/8 and then 4/4 again
(or 6/8) whatever i get really confused..i can count in odd meters like
5/4 or 11/4 or 9/8 etc but not always..do ya know of any sites on the web
that could enlighten me?
2.about some old post..that hell marry song by moore is nothing but some
chick's interview right? some guy posted all of it,not just the "lyrics"
of the song..wonder if u can contact me bud,and send me the rest of it..if
i am not mistaken there were 2 more paragraphs
3. most critical..i've always wondered..about DT..HOW DO THEY REMEMBER ALL
THIS STUFF? (i've been asking myself for years now..)
thanks!
asmodel
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* ..i'm colorblind three way tragedy *
* pantone memory grayscale eyes *
* ..maybe i'm paranoid.. *
* yeah,that's my problem *
* < and what do i even care? > *
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:02:27 +0100
From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Another review from me
Message-ID: <01BDE183.05AAFFE0@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Here's yet another review, once again proving that I spend far too
much money on CDs and not enough paying my ex-wife's support
payments.
HIM - Greatest Lovesongs Vol. 666
This album was recommended to me by my CD dealer (damn him and
blast his eyes), knowing full well that I would buy it. HIM (apparently
the abbreviation of His Infernal Majesty) hail from Finland, and that is
all I know about the band other than the fact that I haven't fallen for
a new band so much for a long time. Gothic hard rock would be a
possible description of the general style, sort of like Type O Negative
mixed up with Joy Division and rounded off with a goodly portion of
Moist. The most striking thing about HIM are the stunning vocals by
singer Ville Valo - a flawless performance throughout the whole album.
The songs are essentially simple in structure, solid guitar riffs
supported by driving bass lines and soaring keyboards that form the
canvas on which Ville paints eerie pictures. There are three tracks
on the album that stand out - the fuzzed guitar riff that weaves in and
out of "Our Diabolikal Rapture" is so fat that is carries a cholesterol
health warning, and the cover versions of Chis Isaak's "Wicked Game"
and Blue Oyster Cult's "(Don'tFear) The Reaper" show just how much
music is in the originals. Perhaps some of the list members from
Finland can shed more light on this promising new band. Well worth
9/10.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Monster Magnet - Powertrip
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:43:41 +0530 (IST)
From: "Balaji K. Rangaswamy" <fd94326@pagan.bits-pilani.ac.in>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Subscribe ytsejam Balaji K.R.
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.96.980916184250.12574B-100000@ipc.bits-pilani.ac.in>
BALAJI K. RANGASWAMY
M.Sc(Hons)Physics with B.E(Hons)Instrumentation
258, MALVIYA BHAVAN ,
B.I.T.S. Pilani - 333031
INDIA.
e-mail:fd94326@bits-pilani.ac.in
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:42:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kevin Loechner <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Non-prog worth listening to
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980916093311.28897A-100000@pegasus>
Hello 'jammers,
I figured I had to answer this question since I have found a couple of
non-prog albums worth listening to. Some of this isn't really pop, but it
is not really prog either. These are a few albums I would reccommend.
I Mother Earth - Scenery and Fish (they thank "Dream Theatre" in their
liner notes) a few years old, but still awesome
Screaming Trees - Sweet Oblivion
Big Wreck - In Loving Memory of ...
Gov't Mule - Dose
Sarah McLachlan - the best of the "neo-alt-postfeminist-femrock" singers
Fiona Apple - don't like her beliefs (ie 'spare the turkey's life'), but
at least she makes some enjoyable music
Better Than Ezra
Live
Well, I think that is a good start on the world of non-prog music. I
probably am a little bit out of the loop myself, although I occasionally
flip on eMpTyV just to see if they will have real music videos on. There
is some other stuff I know of, but I think it reeks.
Later,
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-- Kevin A. Loechner --
-- Department of Electrical Engineering --
-- and Computer Science, Tulane University --
-- loechner@eecs.tulane.edu --
-- http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~kloechn --
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:45:22 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "'hazex@jps.net'" <hazex@jps.net>
Subject: Unsubscribing from the Ytsejam
Message-ID: <01BDE199.CA1D36C0@133.154.dialin.mxs.nl>
Dear Mr. Saxon,
Thanks for annoying the hell out of about 1100-1200
people because you didn't feel the need to save the
introduction email you got, after you signed up for
this mailinglist.
> 1 line of text will stop this. . .1 line of text. . .
> if it sucks so bad for ppl like you, give those of us
> that want off the list, the info. . .
You can unsubscribe from the Ytsejam by sending the
following email :
Address: ytsejam-request@ax.com
Subject: asdf
Message: unsubscribe ytsejam
We are all terribly sorry for wasting your time and
not giving you this information in the first place.
Instructions for unsubscribing from the Ytsejam can
also be found on the official website (mailinglists
section).
Mark Bredius
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:48:10 -0400
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Kamelot's "Siege Perilous"
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980916114810.00688bb8@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
I know that Roy Khan is fronting Kamelot nowadays and that he handles the
vocals on their latest release, "Siege Perilous". What I don't know is what
Kamelot's music is like generally. Is anybody 1) in possession of "Siege
Perilous" and 2) willing to send me (or the 'jam) a quick review or
recommendation?
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- UsefulWare Tech Support
phil@usefulware.com (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
"I should never have written all those tank programs."
-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:02:58 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra - Fireworks (review)
Message-ID: <36005FC2.37C2@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
here is a little review of Angra - Fireworks
I think this album is good but nothing really especial.
The style is more like "Angels Cry" than the incredible "Holy Land".
The production is not very well. The album has less keyboards and
latin percusions. "Holy Land" is more progressive than "Fireworks" (IMO)
"Lisabon" and "Metal Icarus" are the best songs.
To tell you the truth, I expected a better album than this after the
outstanding "Holy Land". I don't know if "Fireworks" is a step forward !
But it's still good.
NP : Timescape - Two Worlds
Arash
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Derek
Message-ID: <19980916163136.1639.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> pulled his foot out of his
mouth long enough to write:
> What is the deal!? am I the only person who thinks Derek is
> Waaaaaaaaaaayy better than Kevin?
Jim, you must not have been on the jam long...this has been debated
many times.
Derek himself wrote (a direct quote):
"Can this stupid debate please end ? ....surely there
are more interesting things to talk about..."
The concensus is that this topic should not be debated anymore.
my, $.02, BH
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:07:22 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dave Mustaine on America's Bad Channel
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980916100720.006eb91c@postoffice.syspac.com>
Dave Mustaine has a cameo appearance on the Drew Carey show, September 30th
on ABC
Just thought you might like to know.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:31:52 EDT
From: ClPuritan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thanks Andrew for Live CD Info
Message-ID: <8d00cfee.36002038@aol.com>
Andrew,
Thanks a lot for the live cd information that you were able to provide. I am
much more interested in hearing limited information about the live release
that comments on Mike Portnoy's hair. If anyone has any further information
on the live cd, or even a review, I'd love to see a post.
Thanks,
Mark
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:52:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jaime Chevalier <jrod@WPI.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Help contacting a Ytsejammer
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.02A.9809161745570.15746-100000@reno.WPI.EDU>
Hi,
I am trying to locate a Ytsejammer named Ed Polzin for trades.He has/had a
homepage at his university server with an extensive list of Boots in CD
and Tape form I think that there's something wrong it and I thought his
email was polzin@uiuc.edu but I received like a fatal error message
telling me that it would try to deliver within the next 5 days or so..I
really need to contact him! Do you happen to have his email address(es)
on record or his new homepage if applicable.
Perhaps even better if he is in the Ytsejammers list I would like to
know...And Ed if you are reading this, please email me...I would really
appreciate it.. Thanks a lot...
Sincerely/Sinceramente,
Jaime Chevalier
60 Salisbury Street, Apt 102
Worcester, MA 01609
USA
Tel # (508) 754-4282
ICQ # 431494
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:48:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Something new at 5:00 EST!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980916154349.15500B-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Ladies and gentlemen of the Ytsejam. Prepare to have your eyes, ears, and
lord knows what else COMPLETELY blown off at 5:00pm Today! At
5:00pm...given that I bust my ass for the next hour...you will be able to
see the ALL NEW Lifting Shadows Off A Ring!!! Woohoo!!! LSOAR now features
not only THE BEST Dream Theater sites...but it also now links to all the
cool DT content you could ever want...in a fast, easy way. Also I've done
100% of the new graphics myself...MANY days off have been spent working on
these, and I'm very proud of the outcome, and can't wait to hear some
feedback from you guys/gals. So stop by and check it out after 5pm
http://www.wezl.org/lift
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:53:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jaime Chevalier <jrod@WPI.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Japan Bootlegs
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.02A.9809161752270.15746-100000@reno.WPI.EDU>
Anyone here has any of the following boots?
DREAM THEATER WARDROCK FES 98 HOLLAND 98.06.27 SB
DREAM THEATER NIGHTTOWN NOSTALGIA FAN CLUB GIG RARE COVERS
(2CD)
If so what are your reviews, are they worth it, what is the set list, and
where can you get them from a reliable source in the internet? I've heard
those guys from CD-Gold Jp are not reliable at all and that the CDs are
even CDRsI am vey interested in at least the Fan Club gig if it contains
the whole track listing of the entire gig as posted in the official DT
Homepage..Your help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance....
Sincerely/Sinceramente,
Jaime Chevalier
60 Salisbury Street, Apt 102
Worcester, MA 01609
USA
Tel # (508) 754-4282
ICQ # 431494
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:55:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: question
Message-ID: <199809162155.RAA02207@optical.mindstorm.com>
Hi again, gang. Some of you may have noticed that I've been MIA for a
while. I had some hardware problems going on at home, but now that
they're resolved, I'm back on line (so stop talking about me behind my
back :).
A thousand monkeys in ytsejam@ax.com's basement typed:
> 3. most critical..i've always wondered..about DT..HOW DO THEY REMEMBER ALL
> THIS STUFF? (i've been asking myself for years now..)
I often asked myself this about Rush songs as I was learning them,
back when I was a beginning bassist. "There are so many *parts*! How
do they remember where everything goes?" Needless to say, as a more
experienced bass player, I once again considered quitting after
hearing I&W for the first time.
However, I then remembered something that has always struck me as
odd. My good friend Frank (whom many of you know as Mojoman) is a
rather accomplished guitarist, and was quite the EVH devotee for many
years. Yet it seemed that every time we played "Ain't Talkin' Bout
Love," arguably the simplest in the VH repertoire, Frank would forget
where the second guitar solo started. Yet the far more complex stuff
we wrote on our own, Frank (almost) always played flawlessly.
The moral of the story is that, as far as I can tell, when you have
written a piece yourself, there is so much of you in the music that
you don't have to think about what you're doing. It sort of "just
comes out." When playing a cover, however, I always find myself
saying things to myself such as "OK, that's the second chorus, so four
more bars of this and then we have to go into the bridge," etc. When
we listen to DT (or Rush, or whoever), it's someone else's music to
us. Yet to the members of the band, it's their own music, and they
have a personal attachment. Also, I think the process of writing
becomes so firmly entrenched in the mind that when playing the song
years later, you can still remember the first time the band jammed it
in rehearsal. (Mike? Derek? Opinions?)
Sorry to be so long-winded, but it's been a while. :)
-d
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