YTSEJAM Digest 4277
Today's Topics:
1) Re: AoI Review in NY Newsday
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Re: Derek
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
3) Re: Non-prog worth listening to
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
4) Placing the blame
by Calvin6S@aol.com
5) Derek. PLEASE STOP THIS!!
by Inflammabl@aol.com
6) Bassist Help
by "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
7) Angra - Fireworks
by NikBrooks@aol.com
8) Odd Time Sigs
by NikBrooks@aol.com
9) DT Keyboards
by NikBrooks@aol.com
10) Once in a Livetime
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
11) Jerry Cantrell & Chris DeGarmo
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
12) DT video
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
13) clockwork orange?
by Fonzaloon@aol.com
14) re:question
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
15) NDTC - Poster Sale
by WhoFooldU@aol.com
16) NDTC - Poster Sale
by WhoFooldU@aol.com
17) NDTC: Keyboard Question - Korg T1
by marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall)
18) shirt sizes
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
19) Non-prog worth listening to
by "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
20) Re: clockwork orange?
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
21) Home Of The Progressive Metal List?
by "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
22) Derek is Excelent
by "Hector Crisantes" <snyfarms@dakotacom.net>
23) Enhanced CDs
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:01:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: AoI Review in NY Newsday
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980916175741.5130C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I wouldn't exactly call that review positive, although I would hardly call
it negative either. It just didn't come across as glowing. Let's see, they
called this album a rip off of dinosaur prog rock, called any kind of
technical ability overblown, and compared this album to old geezers
jamming at the rock and roll hall of fame. Funny, how they call this a
nostalgic look at dinosaur rock, but when a grunge band does a cover of
Neil Young, this is art. matchbox 20 is the most generic derivative crap I
have ever heard without a shred of originality or creativity. You want
originality? Ben Folds 5, and yet they aren't nearly as big.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates Keyboardist and vocalist "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:03:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980916180315.11732A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Oh, no, here we gbo again. Can we please put this tob ed? Enough of the ds km debate.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates Keyboardist and vocalist "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:08:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Non-prog worth listening to Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980916180622.11732B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Let me add to this. Non prog music, well, I will go a little way into the past as well. Firstly, I think Pearl Jam's first three albums are great. Lenny Kravitz is awesome, Ben Folds 5 is awesome, Live is pretty cool, Van Halen, Led Zeplin, Billy Joel, Journey, Styx, (semi prog, sorry), Phil Collins, (sorry, I do like some of his poppy stuff even though he is a sellout, his last two albums sucked, though), The dorrs, and I think ... I am out of ideas. Check them out.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates Keyboardist and vocalist "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:28:08 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Placing the blame Message-ID: <8e5803d6.36003b78@aol.com>
> Don't you think that has something to do with the producer? I bet that > David Prater and John&Duane suggested that Kevin should have those > sounds. When DT began their cooperation with Shirley, I guess they must > have had some sort of discussion what sounds to use on that and that > instrument and the likes. Maybe Derek was stubborn enough to win the > "choice of sounds" debate.
Its amazing that when a DT fan finds something they don't like with DT, they tend to blame it on someone that isn't a DT band member. Or in Derek's case, a NEW member of DT (which is overextending the term "new"). Sure there are outside forces that shape the final product of a Dream Theater release, but why must it be as black and white as "good = Dream Theater member / bad = non- DT member"?
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:48:07 EDT From: Inflammabl@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek. PLEASE STOP THIS!! Message-ID: <b0838b3c.36004027@aol.com>
***Equals the text that I am writing.***
> What is the deal!? am I the only person who thinks Derek is > Waaaaaaaaaaayy better than Kevin?
***Excuse me Sir, If I can be so kind as to ask a favor? PLEASE DO NOT BRING THIS UP! It is a grey area on the ytsejam and has unofficially been declared "no mans land". It should be put in the initial letter that you recieve upon your acceptance onto the ytsejam, but it isn't. So, I beg of you; Please end this!***
Jim, you must not have been on the jam long...this has been debated many times. **Amen.*** Derek himself wrote (a direct quote):
"Can this stupid debate please end ? ....surely there are more interesting things to talk about..."
***And out of respect. He speaks the word of truth.***
The concensus is that this topic should not be debated anymore. ***Do I hear a big amen?*** my, $.02, BH ***Do you have change for a fifty? I'll give $49.99 worth to that!*** Later, J
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:04:46 -0700 From: "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bassist Help Message-ID: <199809162258.RAA19848@wichita.fn.net>
I need help in right hand finger speed!!! I've spent hours upon hours working on it till I got so frustrated I broke my metronome. If anyone has any suggestions on a new twist to an old practice habit let me know.
PS check out Liquid Tension Experiment. The work on this album exceeded my expectations of JP and MP working with others. The music shreds and is brilliant. It also helps that I am a huge Tony Levin fan. Thanks for the advice Cyber Duke
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:20:06 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Angra - Fireworks Message-ID: <a93df0a4.360047a6@aol.com>
This is the first album I have heard from the band. To me they sound like a Brazilian Queensryche (must be the vocals) but also have DT and Rush influences. The guitar playing on Fireworks was pretty good but I must check out their previous stuff. Can someone enlighten me on album titles/info please?
Many thanks.
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:20:05 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Odd Time Sigs Message-ID: <8a999fc3.360047a5@aol.com>
"(just) Asmodel" asked:
1. whenever it comes to rhythm changes like 4/4 -> 7/8 and then 4/4 again (or 6/8) whatever i get really confused..i can count in odd meters like 5/4 or 11/4 or 9/8 etc but not always..do ya know of any sites on the web that could enlighten me?
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Well a tip would be to listen to the song over and over while learning it and then try to do it by FEEL. Problem is, once you start trying to count AND play the brain DOES get confused. If you really listen to the groove your brain will subconsciously take over the time thing. That's how I do it anyway ...
N
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:20:00 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Keyboards Message-ID: <27d6dfe9.360047a0@aol.com>
If Mr Sherinian has been given the order of the boot, I think the ONLY person to replace him (and Kevin Moore) would be Jordan Rudess, the man with the liquid fingers!
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Once in a Livetime Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.02A.9809161927500.28179-100000@copland.udel.edu>
Someone requested updated information so here goes.
1. All the songs where taken from the same night in Paris.
2. It IS the "Fasten your Seatbeats" version of Ytsejam, and Mike does not give the "Derek S. on Keyboards, He wrote this" quote. Which as we all know is from Spinal Tap.
3. They play the normal version of CiaW, not Caught in Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden.
4. Peruvian Skies has there Metallica and Pink Floyd rip offs.
5. They play the fucking LtL/Metropolis/ACOS VII medley instead of each individual song.
6. As for the track list, check any DT web site. The first disc clocks 76 minutes and change, the second at just over 78.
Andrew Miller ytsejam@Udel.Edu
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:34:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jerry Cantrell & Chris DeGarmo Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.02A.9809161933190.28179-100000@copland.udel.edu>
Can anyone give me a review of the Cantrell shows from this summer or of the tour he just started. What Alice in Chains songs do they do? And do they do any Chris Degarmo, or Queensryche stuff?
Thanks...andy
Andrew Miller ytsejam@Udel.Edu
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:35:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT video Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.02A.9809161934530.28179-100000@copland.udel.edu>
Can someone forward me the info that was posted about the new Dream Theater video, what's the story?
Thanks....andy
Andrew Miller ytsejam@Udel.Edu
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:50:06 EDT From: Fonzaloon@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: clockwork orange? Message-ID: <b6b57774.36004eae@aol.com>
I was told by listmembers that the organ song that DT often opens with is from the clockwork orange soundtrack. Does anybody know the name of the song?
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:52:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re:question Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980916224209.3489A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Someone asked: "How do they remember all that shit?" (more or less)
D-man hit it right on the head. They put so much effort into writing it (and rehearsing it over and over and...) that they know the songs backwards and forwards. Hey, even if the song is a collaborative effort, once you practice something long enough, it's ingrained. The only problem I personally would have is on the solos--a lot of fans learn and memorize the solos and demand to hear exactly the same thing every time they hear the song. To me (which is IMO, for those of you with inferential disabiities), that becomes stagnant. But then, what do I know? Not having heard them live yet (I keep kicking myself but after a while it just hurts), I don't know what the band does in regard to faithfully recreating a studio version. Can't wait for the live joint! Peace and much love.
NP: Bob Marley-Germany '80 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's thought for the Month:
Don't sweat it, we'll get it back to you. Overkill...
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:47:09 EDT From: WhoFooldU@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - Poster Sale Message-ID: <bf38393.3600863d@aol.com>
Hey jammers,
Here's a list of Posters that I would like to sell off. Any interest or questions, drop me a private note. Prices include shipping (may be slightly higher to ship outside US).
Savatage - Gutter Ballet (album cover) $7 Savatage - Streets (Band Photo) $5 Savatage - Edge of Thorns (band Photo) $7 Testament - Souls of black (Album cover) $6 Ratt - Detonator (double sided band photo/album cover) $6 Saigon Kick - Saigon Kick (album cover) $6 White Lion - Mane Attraction (band photo) $5 Spinal Tap - Break Like the Wind (album cover) $5 The Beatles - Anthology 3 (album cover) $6 Lizzy Borden - Master of Disguise (album cover) $5 Skid Row - Sebastian Bach on Cover of Rolling Stone $7 Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear (album Cover) $6
Thanks
Glenn
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:47:13 EDT From: WhoFooldU@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - Poster Sale Message-ID: <550c42ac.36008641@aol.com>
Hey jammers,
Here's a list of Posters that I would like to sell off. Any interest or questions, drop me a private note. Prices include shipping (may be slightly higher to ship outside US).
Savatage - Gutter Ballet (album cover) $7 Savatage - Streets (Band Photo) $5 Savatage - Edge of Thorns (band Photo) $7 Testament - Souls of black (Album cover) $6 Ratt - Detonator (double sided band photo/album cover) $6 Saigon Kick - Saigon Kick (album cover) $6 White Lion - Mane Attraction (band photo) $5 Spinal Tap - Break Like the Wind (album cover) $5 The Beatles - Anthology 3 (album cover) $6 Lizzy Borden - Master of Disguise (album cover) $5 Skid Row - Sebastian Bach on Cover of Rolling Stone $7 Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear (album Cover) $6
Thanks
Glenn
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:01:45 -0500 From: marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC: Keyboard Question - Korg T1 Message-ID: <19980916.230147.-290021.0.marshallm@juno.com>
To anyone who could offer advice on a used Korg T1:
If you can buy one used, is it worth it? How much would you pay for a used T1 in working order?
I understand this one in particular has 88 keys - but that's all I've been able to find out so far (the guy who's selling it hasn't called back yet). Are they weighted? What's the polyphony of the T1? How many sounds do they have? Are they any good? Is there any way to add more sounds? Can you make new sounds?
All these questions and more - if anyone has helpful information, it would be appreciated - please respond by private e-mail, since most people on the 'Jam probably really didn't want to read this message, let alone any follow-ups.
Thanks,
Michael
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:30:37 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: shirt sizes Message-ID: <3600906D.2B3553B2@bigfoot.com>
just to let everyone know, unless you have prior arrangements with me, there are no more XXL shirts available. At this time, and probably for the next several months, the largest shirt yu can get is the XL. I apologize for the inconvenience; this is a result of my underestimating the demand for the larger sizes.
If shirts continue to sell at this rate, I'll place another order in a few months, and at that time I'll make sure to get plenty of xxl, xxxl, and whatever else people need.
D-Man and others who don't know what the hell I'm talking about: I'm selling the new ytsejam shirt, pix and info on my page, see the sig, blah blah blah. you probably figured that out from the first two paragraphs, but i like to type. I also like hot dogs, but only boar's head. None of that ballpark stuff for me.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "I'm just standing up for my rights - as a consumer."
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:23:12 -0600 From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Non-prog worth listening to Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980916232312.0079c560@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
>I figured I had to answer this question since I have found a couple of >non-prog albums worth listening to. Some of this isn't really pop, but = it >is not really prog either. These are a few albums I would reccommend.
Another good non-prog CD to recomend would be Lacuna Coil. It does has so= me prog elements, but I think it would be of your interest.=20
Some facts: They are from Italy, they sing in English, they have two singers: Male an= d Female. The Male singer reminds me the vocalist of Metallica and the fema= le singer reminds me of the vocalist of The Cranberries. This CD is released by Century Media Records.
This is the track list =95 1. No Need To Explain (3:37) =95 2. The Secret... (4:16) =95 3. This = Is My Dream (4:06) =95 4. Soul Into Hades (4:52) =95 5. Falling (5:39) =95 6. U= n Fantasma Tra Noi [A Ghost Between Us] (5:22)(Instrumental)=20
Check this place for a beter review: http://www.intonet.co.uk/~derekdaniel/Lacuna%20Coil.html
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:35:07 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: clockwork orange? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980916233507.00829100@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
I just watched the movie 2 days ago and we didnt check the name of the song but you sure are going to find if you get the soundtrack cause the sample is on many parts of the movie
At 05:08 PM 16/09/98 -0700, Fonzaloon@aol.com wrote: > >I was told by listmembers that the organ song that DT often opens with is from >the clockwork orange soundtrack. Does anybody know the name of the song? > > --- MP3 of the week - "The Ben Stiller Show Theme" By Dweezil Zappa http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:45:54 -0600 From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Home Of The Progressive Metal List? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980916234554.0079e830@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
Hi all! It's me again!
Does someone knows what happened to the "Home Of The Progressive Metal List"? Looks like it isn't working anymore and I'm sure that I have the correct address.
Thank you for your help!!
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:33:04 -0700 From: "Hector Crisantes" <snyfarms@dakotacom.net> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Derek is Excelent Message-ID: <002501bde1fc$f6b04fc0$3ea5ebd0@default>
Ok I have to come out of lurk mode.
I know this is a bad post, but I have to speak my mind. Please refrain from the complaints. Derek is a great keyboardist IMHO. He has taken the role of the keyboardist and made it cool again. Just like back in the 60's & 70's they had John Lord, Keith Emmerson, and many other greats, today we have Derek. His sounds and style are in a league of their own. He can play circles around any of the keyboardists we hear in bands today and this is no exaggeration (let me tell you that there are some good musicians out there). His attitude and style give a bit of an edge to the somewhat boring prog scene (visually). And not only is he a great guy, but he actually puts up with our shit. So with that in mind I say goodbye to you all, I will go back in to lurk mode.
Thanks,
Hector "DTFreak" Crisantes MUSA (that's "Muse" for all you gringos) :)
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:43:46 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Enhanced CDs Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980917004346.008371d0@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
I would like the day that Dream Theater releases Metropolis 2....it would be cool if they release it on a EP enhanced CD..... with studio footage, raw mixes....or maybe some kind of kareoke thing where you can decide which tracks of the song do you want to hear...that would be cool...
Steve Vai said long time ago that he was going to do this and now he says he's going to do it on a DVD, let's see what happens...
I wonder what would happen if the MP3 format begins to gain commercial power...I guess people like Prince (the artists or whatever he calls himself) will start releasing CDs full of MP3s....he releases a box set every year so I guess he would like the idea...
this would be cool, an enhanced EP of Dream Theater with metropolis 2 on it and on the enhanced part demos from DT and majesty era in MP3 format.... --- MP3 of the week - "The Ben Stiller Show Theme" By Dweezil Zappa http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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