YTSEJAM Digest 4279
Today's Topics:
1) Clockwork Orange
by NikBrooks@aol.com
2) Re: Derek
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
3) ELP Tribute Album
by NikBrooks@aol.com
4) Re: the whole stupid DS vs KM thing
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
5) Re: DT Keyboards
by NikBrooks@aol.com
6) Re: DT Keyboards
by NikBrooks@aol.com
7) Chromakey
by Brian Desany <bd033054@condor.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu>
8) foundations forum
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
9) jazz
by Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
10) Memory?
by NikBrooks@aol.com
11) Derek vs. Kevin
by NikBrooks@aol.com
12) "The Grey Area"
by NikBrooks@aol.com
13) LTE2 and Metropolis Part 2
by NikBrooks@aol.com
14) NEW DT HATS in about
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
15) Powermad review is on-line (Finally)
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
16) Re: Non-Prog Music
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
17) Re: DT with Jordan Rudess MP3!!!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
18) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4276
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
19) i'd like to complain
by "earthblind, starbound" <leper@mindspring.com>
20) MP clinic in Montreal
by cote@med.McGill.CA
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:20:48 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clockwork Orange
Message-ID: <3f3cbbbb.360144f0@aol.com>
Hi there Fonzaloon and jammers all!!
The music from Clockwork Orange that DT start some of their concerts with is:
"Funeral for Queen Mary" by Henry Purcell, as adapted by Walter Carlow for the
film.
Sadly we cannot get this film in the UK now because it is banned here,
although it is available everywhere else in Europe I believe.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:21:34 -0500
From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <l03130302b226f56e3517@[128.83.111.96]>
jeeeezz, sorry. forget I said anything (except that part about the crack)
James C. Shields
Undergraduate
University of Texas at Austin
Undeclared in Liberal Arts and Proud of it!
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Spread before you is your soul
So forever hold the dreams within our hearts
Through Nature's inflexible grace
I'm Learning to Live
Dream Theater "Learning to Live"
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:20:55 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ELP Tribute Album
Message-ID: <db001495.360144f7@aol.com>
DT keyboard player Derek Sherinian is featured on a tribute album to Emerson
Lake and Palmer which has just been finished in the studio.
I don't know the release date yet.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:44:59 -0400
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: the whole stupid DS vs KM thing
Message-ID: <199809171743.KAA13612@mx0-smtp.goodnet.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Brian D. wanted to know:
>What is this "gray area" crap? Not every one has been on the jam since it
>started and if its supposed to be a forum to talk about the band then why
>not discuss the relative merits of KM and DS? If "veterans" are sick of it,
>tough shit. Complaining that we shouldn't discuss it is ridiculous.
We wouldn't have a problem with it if people were to actually discuss their
different playing styles, the sounds they choose, their contributions to
the music or lyrics, or anything that is actually discussion of their
PLAYING. Instead, everyone who jumps on this seems to have an obsession
with determining who is "better". There's very little actual musical
discussion and it always degenerates into a slanging match (that's another
thing -- nearly everyone who puts in their two cents refuses to accept
anyone else's two cents).
You wanna discuss their musical styles? Fine. But don't ask "Who do you
think is better, Derek or Kevin?" and expect to be welcomed with open arms.
Ta,
Phil
================================================
Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support
phil@usefulware.com (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
"I should never have written all those tank programs."
-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
Currently playing: Glass Hammer -- "Live and Revived"
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:49:31 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Keyboards
Message-ID: <66677d69.36014bab@aol.com>
Korg sweetie.
Tee hee heeeeeeeeeee
It was a hypothetical question/suggestion, but Jordan Rudess I think has
actually played some gigs with DT, before DS joined full time. There I;ve
just seen Bugle's post which confirms the fact.
I'm looking forward to hearing Derek's playing on the ELP tribute album when
it gets a release.
BTW, I missed a couple of digests, what only happened once? Are you referring
to the rumour that Del-Boy was caught in bed with someone's wife?
Smirk ;-)
Actually I like all three kb players, Kev, Del and Jordan so there's no debate
as far as I'm concerned. They are all DIFFERENT and, as such, bring different
elements into the band.
Does anyone else think that LTE is VERY DT in places?
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:49:31 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Keyboards
Message-ID: <11a27cc0.36014bab@aol.com>
Korg sweetie.
Tee hee heeeeeeeeeee
It was a hypothetical question/suggestion, but Jordan Rudess I think has
actually played some gigs with DT, before DS joined full time. There I;ve
just seen Bugle's post which confirms the fact.
I'm looking forward to hearing Derek's playing on the ELP tribute album when
it gets a release.
BTW, I missed a couple of digests, what only happened once? Are you referring
to the rumour that Del-Boy was caught in bed with someone's wife?
Smirk ;-)
Actually I like all three kb players, Kev, Del and Jordan so there's no debate
as far as I'm concerned. They are all DIFFERENT and, as such, bring different
elements into the band.
Does anyone else think that LTE is VERY DT in places?
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:22:30 -0600
From: Brian Desany <bd033054@condor.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chromakey
Message-ID: <l03110708b227110c15a8@[128.249.20.48]>
I wonder what kind of music Chromakey is. Progressive, I assume, but that's
a very wide umbrella. Any DT songs that might be a little similar? Is it
describable? Is there a place to download MP3's so I can sample it? Thanks,
folks.
-Brian.
PS Awake is my favorite DT album but I like Derek's hair color better than
Kevin's. ;P
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:20:01 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: foundations forum
Message-ID: <360160E1.6CFFFCA9@trw.com>
Is there a boot out there from DT's gig at this event with Jordan Rudess
on keys?
Just wondering...
NP:Savatage-Edge of Thorns (Savatage/Division at Jaxx Friday)
-- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Hail To The Redskins, Hail Victory" | |----------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:17:55 -0400 From: Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jazz Message-ID: <36016063.EF7A686@tiac.net>
> From: "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com> > Subject: Non-Prog Music > > If you want to steer away from prog for awile but still want to hear awsome > players, step away from the distortion. Try a little Jazz. > Some good selections (my opinion): > Pat Metheny............the road to you > Incognito.................100d and rising. A little funky > Larry Carlton............renegade gentleman > Frank Gambale........Thinking out loud
This is all pretty good stuff...but it's definitely not traditional jazz. Or maybe it is depending on one's definition of jazz. However, the players you listed are all pretty much fusion players. Metheny's new stuff probably falls into more of a new-age/pop jazz type sound.
> Anything by Chick Corea's electric band.
I actually think Corea's "Akoustic Band" is even stronger. Ironically, it's a trio of Chick, with normally electric players John Patitucci and Dave Weckl on bass and drums respectively. Fortunately the rhythm section makes the change from electric to acoustic extremely well..
> And older stuff like Duke Ellington if you can get into bebop.
Duke Ellington wasn't bebop. Duke Ellington was big band and swing jazz music which had its peak in the 20's and 30's. Bebop started in the 40's and was Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Dexter Gordon, etc.
> Its really a fresh thing to listen to these cats play, and after awhile > you'll be in the mood for prog again trust me I always go back to it. >
I agree!
Adam
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:41:26 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Memory? Message-ID: <79275c2d.360165e6@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/17/98 6:21:20PM, you write:
> >Practice, Practice, Practice. Or at least that's part of it. I remember >reading an interview with Alex Lifeson where he talked about the recording >of "La Villa Strangiato." When they finished the song in the studio, the >band's consensus was that there was no way they were ever going to remember >all of it. But after a short time, Alex found he could play the whole thing >while watching television. You just have to keep at it until playing the >parts become second nature. I've found when playing that if I have to think >about what I'm doing, I'm bound to make a mistake.
Exactly, like I said about learning the whole song so you don't have to count odd time sigs. The brain subconsciously takes over and does it for you. A bit like learning by parrot fashion I suppose. Quote: "If you think you stink", Billy Sheehan at his last bass clinic at The Bass Centre here in London, UK.
There is also another way, use a music score or tab. When I used to do my piano exams, you were awarded extra marks if you could play without the music. As I was practising I used to see the music going along in my head (playing with my eyes closed or partially so). It helps if you have at least a semi- photographic memory though .......
Stop Press: There is a RUSH convention taking place from 2pm to midnight at Leicester University (UK) on Saturday 19 September. Tribute band Tom Sawyer will be playing.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:41:24 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek vs. Kevin Message-ID: <cc9711c4.360165e4@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/17/98 6:21:20PM, you write:
> Derek vs. Kevin
To points 1 and 2 please add:
3. They both rock
4. So does Jordan Rudess, or rather let's say he flows ..... (superb classical player)
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:41:24 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "The Grey Area" Message-ID: <8a0af44.360165e4@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/17/98 6:21:20PM, you write:
>What is this "gray area" crap? Not every one has been on the jam since it >started and if its supposed to be a forum to talk about the band then why >not discuss the relative merits of KM and DS? If "veterans" are sick of it, >tough shit. Complaining that we shouldn't discuss it is ridiculous.
Just plead the fifth or say what happened to "Freedom of Speech" which, coincidentally is a track on LTE!
BTW just in case you notice the different spelling, this message comes from the UK where we spell it 'grey'.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:41:23 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTE2 and Metropolis Part 2 Message-ID: <40e9fe48.360165e3@aol.com>
Go jammers!
In a message dated 9/17/98 6:21:20PM, you write:
>"Any President who lies to the American people should resign." >--Bill Clinton during his run for the House of Representatives in 1974
Ha ha ha ha ha, then impeach the sucker you eediots!!!!!
But more on topic, anyone got any more news on the LTE tour? I heard rumours over here in the UK that LTE have already played some dates in the US. Is this true?
I also hear there will be another CD (LTE 2) and that recording for this starts soon. Info please.
Not only that, the wait for Metropolis Part 2 is doing my head in. I did an interview for Guitarist Magazine (UK) with Johnny P after the first Paris gig this year (Feb 1998) when he said that he had to finish writing the lyrics so it could be included on the next DT studio album.
Aaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When???????????????????????
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:19:18 -0700 From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NEW DT HATS in about Message-ID: <199809172017.QAA22093@camel8.mindspring.com>
NEW DT HATS:
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
I HAVE the NEW DT Ytsejam International EMBROIDERED hats ordered. They should be here in about 10-15 days. As soon as they come in, I will get a picture on the net. They are a good quality hat with nice embroider work.
If you have ANY questions or info, please feel free to write me!
thanks,
Todd S.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:36:21 -0700 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Powermad review is on-line (Finally) Message-ID: <000c01bde293$fa045620$de4756ce@p5-150>
OK, for those that didn't attend and are just dying to know what happened, there's now a lengthy Powermad review on the Pixel Planet website. Check it out, and be sure to take advantage of the "Post Your Comments" section when you don't agree with my reviews.
Of course, you're now saying to yourselves, "But Dave, you lazy-assed bastard, Powermad was last month. What took you so long to get this together?" Well, while it is true that I am lazy, I think the following exchange will explain some of the delay:
The scene - an airport at 5AM. I had already been away from home for two weeks, and was picking up my wife. When getting the luggage I remarked, "Hey, where's the laptop?"
Her reply: "I didn't bring it. I didn't think you would need it for anything."
Two weeks or so later, I return home, only to deal with a magazine editor for a few days. If you're unfamiliar with this particular species, they often ask questions like "I haven't actually read your article yet, but I have some questions about it." - this is a true quote
Anyway, enough of my yammering. Check out the article, and let me know what you think.
Dave Thomas - Editor Pixel Planet - Reviews of Books, Games, Comics, CDs, Movies, CG Software, Programming Tools And More! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Non-Prog Music Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980917205401.25585B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Hey, if you are going to mention jazzy stuff, you forgot a few groups. Medeski, martin and Wood for one, a trio of drums, upright bass and organ that can be so funky it is scary. And of course, we got gameriquy, the virtual insanity people. They rock, too. And let's not forget about 1970s vintage Stevie Wonder. Man that guy is funky. Get songs in the key of life and prepare to spooge all over yourself. James Brown, anybody?
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates Keyboardist and vocalist "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:56:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT with Jordan Rudess MP3!!! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980917205624.25585C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, I highly doubt that I am going to sit througha 12mb download, so can somebody stuff that mp3 on a tape or something for me?
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates Keyboardist and vocalist "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:37:39 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4276 Message-ID: <000001bde2a4$ebb89b60$558c15cf@markphil>
Jam,
In responce to Arash's review....
>I think this album is good but nothing really especial. >The style is more like "Angels Cry" than the incredible "Holy Land".
>To tell you the truth, I expected a better album than this after the >outstanding "Holy Land". I don't know if "Fireworks" is a step forward ! >But it's still good.
I actually must beg to differ on "Angel's Cry" vs. "Holy Land" Both albu= ms are incredible, granted, but for me, "Angel's Cry" gets the playing time. It just seems to me, that the "Angra sound" is a better match for the sty= le of "Angel's Cry." Holy Land is much more progressive, with different sty= les and EXTREMELY melodic. I really like the album... but I look to Angra to give me some speed, vocals, etc.
I'm looking forward to getting Fireworks. I was expecting a compromise between Angel's Cry and Holy Land, but I guess I'll see exactly where the= y come down...
Mark Philpot Music Creations Limited http://www.ccnet.com/~griphiam/musiccreations.htm
"In the Stream of Consciousness there is a river crying living comes much easier once we admit we're dying." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -Dream Theater "Lines in the Sand" "One of the greatest labor-saving inventions of today is tomorrow" - Vincent T. Foss
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:18:22 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <leper@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: i'd like to complain Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980917231822.007b9d60@pop.mindspring.com>
>Please stop. It's over. It has been over several times now. Let's give it >a rest, can we? Please? It's done, and maybe should be added to the >subscription letter saying "things not allowed for discussion", much like >NIN, religion, M*tal*c*, et. al.
I'd just like to complain about the Nine Inch Nails/Metallica boot that that christian fuck Mike Bahr was supposed to give to that panzy Derek Sherinian (who is not half the keyboardist that Kevin Moore was) to give to me.
- "Maybe I'm paranoid, yeah, that's my problem. You almost have to be, when you look like me." -- Kevin Moore Against a Sickness: To the Female Double Principle God http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 98 23:41:53 -0500 From: cote@med.McGill.CA To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP clinic in Montreal Message-ID: <199809180346.XAA10093@sirocco.cc.mcgill.ca>
'Jammers,
It's been a really long time since I post on the jam...but...
I just came back from Mike P. drum clinic in montreal. Must I say, I learned a lot of cool stuff about odd times and syncopation! Mike was in a great mood. Of interest, he mentioned he will hit the studio with JP and Levin/Rudess for LTE II in exactly one month. As it was previously discussed on the jam, he would like to tour with LTE. He said that maybe next year they will tour with Platypus, LTE, Dream Theater and Rudess's group (?) all together and would all perfom in the same evening. This would be really interesting.
Before the clininc, the upcomming home video was playing (I got a chance to see Hogarth and Rothery perform Marillion's "easter" with the boys as well as the Silent man video), really good and I can't wait for october 27th!
Also Mike kindly signed my LTE and FII CDs...that's it for now
JF Montreal,Que,Canada
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