YTSEJAM Digest 4280
Today's Topics:
1) How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4278
by DOPDAT@aol.com
3) Angra - Fireworks
by "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
4) METAL RADIO ON REAL AUDIO!!!
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
5) Chromakey
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4278
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) Trouble
by Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
8) Re: DT with Jordan Rudess MP3!!!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
9) APSoG
by Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
10) DT with Jordan Rudess MP3!!!
by Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
11) RE: Memory?
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
12) Re: MP clinic in Montreal
by AL <al@isd.net>
13) does anybody care?
by "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
14) King Crimson...
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
15) none
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
16) Re: Clockwork Orange
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
17) annoyances
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
18) Explorer's Club
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
19) totally indifferent
by "Sebastian Keil" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:50:24 -0400
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
Message-ID: <19980918035050.MHBT19225@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey,
Someone mentioned La Villa as a piece that Rush thought would be dificult
to master themselves, and I can't agree more. I play guitar, and granted I
KNOW the basslines in this are tough to play, but the guitar is sooooo hard
to remember. Alex plays many of the same patterns in different positions
and it kills me! I gave up on this baby a long time ago, though I noodle
with it constantly. This would be the first song I would want to add to any
kind of covers medley I would create. The "Monsters" theme is just too much
fun to play.
As I go back and think of the songs I learned early in my playing career,
its so easy to tear off a Van Halen, Cheap Trick, or Mr. Big song without a
second thought. But the stuff I've tried so hard to learn over time
(Megadeth's "Darkest Hour" and "Hook In Mouth" being primary in my mind,
but there are others) still seems to escape me. My biggest weakness is
arpeggios, with alternate picking patterns on different strings coming
second. But the old stuff I learned was all power chords and pull offs, so
its like second nature. Give me ten minutes of power chords (G N' R's
Estranged) and my memory is fine. Three minutes of arpeggios? I'm crying in
no time.
Stodgers
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:29:29 EDT
From: DOPDAT@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4278
Message-ID: <30653e8b.3601e1a9@aol.com>
speaking from experience, and no offense to you derek, but kevin never made as
many clams as you have during performances.......you spend too much time
trying to look the part rather than concentrating on the song that you are
trying to play as well as kevin ever did. i always thought he was a better
player than you, and does it without being as condecending......hail to thee
Kevin Moore the only keyboard player that dream theater ever REALLY had in the
band........what a shame.......there's always cocktail lounges for a second
rate wannabe like yourself derek.
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:24:21 -0000
From: "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Angra - Fireworks
Message-ID: <00a361931041298UPIMSSMTPUSR06@email.msn.com>
Well, I've had the album 2 weeks now and the 'Lisbon' single for about 6
weeks and I've got over my initial disappointment that Angra have not
produced another 'Holy Land'.
'Holy Land' was the first album of their's which I was able to find and
buy, and since then I've bought up most of their stuff, so I recognise that
'Holy Land' was a much more 'progressive' sounding album than their debut,
'Angels Cry'. Also, having caught them live a few times, its clear that
they are fundamentally a Heavy Metal rather than Prog/Metal band. Nothing
wrong with that - and in fact they're a rather good HM band!
All the same, 'Fireworks' is a return to the style of 'Angels Cry' in the
sense that it consists of mainly melodic speed-metal influenced songs and
the Brazilian influences, present on 'Holy Land', have been dispensed
with. It is however a very solid album, just not earth-shattering.
There's still songs that will appeal to the Prog/Metal fan, like 'Paradise'
and there are plenty of excellent driving guitar solos. My favourites are
'Wings of Reality', 'Paradise', 'Gentle Change' and 'Speed'.
Their record company in France report that they've sold 17,000 copies in
two weeks, when 'Holy Land' sold 22,000 in 18 months! Still can't find a
record store in London which has it in stock - or even on order, mind you.
I don't mean to suggest that their success in Europe is just down to some
strange gallic appeal, but more to the way their record company have backed
them effectively and promoted them well.
At the album release events in France, a video was shown of the band in the
studio with the producer, Chris Tsangarides and on a couple of occasions he
is shown recommending that the band hold back on some of their more
elaborate arrangements. I'm told that there were about 1000 people in the
Virgin Megastore for their short 30 minute concert on September 4th and 600
copies of the album were sold that night.
The Iron Maiden fanzine 'Neighbour of the beast' has an excellent interview
with Andre Matos on its website (thanks for pointing this one out Ties).
The first paragraph of which contains the following sentences: <<So, on
Holy Land, we went a little bit too far on the experimental side. I would
say we were doing things much more progressive. But this time, we wanted
to do a heavier album, to do something more straight(forward). >>
Read the whole thing at: http://www.mygale.org/~notb/inter19.html
Other articles I've read on the background emphasise the fact that a move
to a more straight-forward sounding album, was a deliberate decision. The
rhythm section were apparently dissatisfied with their sound on 'Holy
Land'. Whilst the main songwriters (Andre and Raphael) listen to Classical
music as well as Metal, the drummer and bassist are real metal-heads, so I
think that there has been a deliberate policy to hold back on the
progressive side for this album.
Charlie
Angra Page: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie/angra.htm
URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:41:58 -0400
From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: METAL RADIO ON REAL AUDIO!!!
Message-ID: <3601E496.369C5796@ic3.ithaca.edu>
Listen guys...and gals... Some friends of mine have a radio show at my
college called TOTAL DISTORTION. They play all sorts of shit....Thrash,
Death Metal, 80's glam rock, Black Metal, Industrial, Hardcore, etc.
You'll hear stuff like Savatage, Fates Warning, Dream Theater, Angra,
Bruce Dickinson, Maiden, Priest as well as a lot of harder stuff like
Slayer, Fear Factory, Cradle of Filth, Korn,......you get the idea...all
types of metal. The show is every Wednesday night at Midnight Eastern
time. And it's broadcasted live on the internet through real audio. We
don't get too many hits on the internet, and I know people on this list
would defnitely be interested in it. We take requests as well. If you
want to hear TOTAL DISTORTION, the URL to listen to the station is:
http://www.ithaca.edu/radio/vic/viclive.ram
The URL for the show is:
http://www.ithaca.edu/shp/shp99/tbinder1/
We also get CD's way before they're released in stores, like the new
Fates Warning and the new Bruce Dickinson. So I hope if any of you are
interested you'll listen next Wed. night.
-Chris
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:06:31 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>, Brian Desany <bd033054@condor.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Chromakey
Message-ID: <3601EA57.39F24F16@home.com>
> I wonder what kind of music Chromakey is. Progressive, I assume, but that's
> a very wide umbrella. Any DT songs that might be a little similar? Is it
> describable? Is there a place to download MP3's so I can sample it? Thanks,
> folks.
> -Brian.
Brian, don't go expecting to hear prog-rock with ChromaKey. And don't
expect any DT style keyboard solos or anything. The whole album is very
moody, rather similar to "Space Dye Vest".
Oh, it IS an excellent CD by the way!
--- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723)
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:22:42 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4278 Message-ID: <3601EE22.5D84D72D@caribe.net>
DOPDAT@aol.com wrote:
> speaking from experience, and no offense to you derek, but kevin never made as > many clams as you have during performances.......you spend too much time > trying to look the part rather than concentrating on the song that you are > trying to play as well as kevin ever did. i always thought he was a better > player than you, and does it without being as condecending......hail to thee > Kevin Moore the only keyboard player that dream theater ever REALLY had in the > band........what a shame.......there's always cocktail lounges for a second > rate wannabe like yourself derek.
Look, ASSHOLE, if you had been intelligent enough to actually READ the jam, you'd know :
#1 Derek isnt reading the jam anymore, mainly because of stupid opinionated fucks like yourself #2 Youd know better not to continue the stinking DS vs KM thread ( i know im doing it too but i couldnt resist after reading this stupid post ) #3 If that message was directed to derek himself , as it sounded, to email him PRIVATELY and deal with him and whatever problem you seem to have with his playing...
so if youre dont have enough time, or arent intelligent enough to keep up with the jam... think twice before posting a stupid blurb like that... or do all of us a favor and unsubscribe
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:59:34 +0100 From: Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Trouble Message-ID: <98Sep18.075657gmt+0100.31498@gate.tranemo.se>
Hi there.
Could anyone please send me the digests between (just) Asmodel's = "question" and Alan Estrada's "Enhanced CDs"? (I'm in ACK mode, so I = can't give you the digest numbers.) Also if there were any letters between Estrada's "...CDs" and KorgX3's = "DT keyboards", I would like to have them as well.
Something really strange happens to my e-mail account now and then - = some nights (when all you Americans write), the letters just disappears. = Must have something to do with the server... but I don't see how it = could happen, it's on all night!
Damn it. If anyone could help me, I would appreciate it a lot! Thank you!
//Oysterman - reconstructing his sig -
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:44:04 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT with Jordan Rudess MP3!!! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980917234402.006f41e4@postoffice.syspac.com>
Everyone go there now and get the file. In case you missed the post from "Bungle", the URL is at:
this has to be my favorite performance of TTT ever, and it sounds soundboard.
hasta la pasta,
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:57:14 +0100 From: Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: APSoG Message-ID: <98Sep18.085442gmt+0100.31503@gate.tranemo.se>
Don't you think Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" is WAY overestimated? I bought it a while ago, and it disappointed me. Really. Seems so stiff and artificial. Is that Fates Warning at their best? Then I won't buy any more of their CDs...
BTW (by no way), what do you guys (and gals) like my sig? Comes from a Swedish poet. He's so sick, I just have to love him!
Cheers,
//Oysterman
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:52:35 +0200 From: Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT with Jordan Rudess MP3!!! Message-ID: <36021143.4675EDDE@speed.eik.bme.hu>
Hi there,
so what do you think of Jordan's playing with DT?
Cheers, Bungle
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 05:27:44 -0400 From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Memory? Message-ID: <199809180528_MC2-59E2-D61E@compuserve.com>
"Dave Thomas" Wrote > I've found when playing that if I have to think about what I'm > doing, I'm bound to make a mistake. Sounds like you could do with reading the "Inner game of music". In fact I recommend anyone who hasn't read it to go get a copy. David C NP: Ozric Tentacles - Live Underslunky
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 05:00:51 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: MP clinic in Montreal Message-ID: <36022F53.6DCBDDD9@isd.net>
cote@med.McGill.CA wrote: >Mike was in a great mood. Of interest, he mentioned he will hit the studio >with JP and Levin/Rudess for LTE II in exactly one month. As it was previously >discussed on the jam, he would like to tour with LTE. He said that maybe next >year they will tour with Platypus, LTE, Dream Theater and Rudess's group (?) >all together and would all perfom in the same evening. This would be really >interesting.
Mike better eat his Wheaties... And some spinach wouldn't hurt either.
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scary thought of the day: Dream Theater with a bass vocalist. Kinda like the dude in the Statler Brothers. "Daddy sang bass" "Moma sang tenor" ..... .. ... ..any jammers know that one?
EM PLEH
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:41:10 +0200 (CEST) From: "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: does anybody care? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980918123215.32485B-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
I got Symphony X's "Twilight in Olympus" (latest album) a few hours ago..I dont know..I havent heard "Divine Wings.." so I dont know if they evolved or not..the thing is,whats so special with this band? the artwork of the cd isnt all that good,they even admitted they had no time to pick a title for the album..or draw a cover..and they did it in a day or two..they give too few live performances (their company Inside out puts a lot of pressure on them..4 albums in 4 years?! they released "Damnation Game" and the deadline for "Divine Wings.." was already set!)..the guitarist is really good but his solo are all Malmsteen-like..whats so kewl about it,he wont even sweep on the fretboard..just scales at 400bpm..the keyboardist reminds me of moore (when he dont play fast) while when it comes to speed he sounds exactly like Stratovarius Johanssen..as about the songs..that 13mins one was really good (though it does remind me of DT..awake and Images and their debute) but the rest? they say they care about melody and not self indulgent music but none of the songs were catchy..ok it doesnt have to be like Hanson but songs like Metropolis or Voices ARE catchy..and they're really prog stuff (forgot Scarred :) )..i still dont know..along with that CD i also got "Still Life" by Fates Warning..the latest live album..gee..they are better than DT :)
asmodel (floating in a pleasant shade of grey)
****************************************** * ..i'm colorblind three way tragedy * * pantone memory grayscale eyes * * ..maybe i'm paranoid.. * * yeah,that's my problem * * < and what do i even care? > * ******************************************
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:31:26 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: King Crimson... Message-ID: <3602367E.D9602739@winshop.com.au>
Okay, with the recent discussion of King Crimson I decided to pick up Lark's Toungue In Aspic the other day.
Whoever here suggested LTiA wasn't a good one to start with, then your damn right :) Not that it's bad album, the more I listen the more I like, just that's it's taken me quite a few listens to really get into this one. LTiA I & II and Exiles being my favs.
Now comes the next part: what should I check out next? With such an extensive discog to select from it's rather baffling. Suggestions? I also have a tape copy of Thrak (cheers Evan) and I dig it - if that helps...
Any help would be muchly appreciated,
Luke.
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:51:49 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: none Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E524@ms.kallback.com>
Anyone know the US release dates for Gordian Knot and Platypus? Thanks
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:34:25 -0400 From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Clockwork Orange Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980918123425.020b3650@artist-shop.com>
At 09:03 PM 9/17/98 -0700, N wrote:
> >The music from Clockwork Orange that DT start some of their concerts with is: >"Funeral for Queen Mary" by Henry Purcell, as adapted by Walter Carlow for the >film.
It may interest some to know that the COMPLETE Carlos score for Clockwork Orange is going to be released sometime in November.
>Sadly we cannot get this film in the UK now because it is banned here, >although it is available everywhere else in Europe I believe.
So why is that? I can't imagine it's for the sex or violence given the standards on both of those today.
Gary
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:55:53 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: annoyances Message-ID: <36026669.C713EDCB@trw.com>
> From: "earthblind, starbound" <leper@mindspring.com> > I'd just like to complain about the Nine Inch Nails/Metallica boot that > that christian fuck Mike Bahr was supposed to give to that panzy Derek > Sherinian (who is not half the keyboardist that Kevin Moore was) to give > to me. >
Can we say "why dont you just grow up"?
-- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Hail To The Redskins, Hail Victory" | |----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:00:14 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Explorer's Club Message-ID: <3602676E.BB687D@trw.com>
I just got this cd yesterday. There was some musicblvd $10 off, so I ended up getting it for like $5. After a first listen this cd is decent.
I noticed on the back of the cd insert it says James and John P appear courtesy of East/West, but no mention of Derek...
Questions: Who are these vocalists: Bret Douglas Matt Bradley DC Cooper (Royal Hunt?)
NP:Explorer's Club-AOI -- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Hail To The Redskins, Hail Victory" | |----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 06:58:59 PDT From: "Sebastian Keil" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: totally indifferent Message-ID: <19980918135901.26345.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi jam, since the new outbreak of KevMO vs DS I'll post stupid things, too. First, has anybody noticed the nice bassline TLC's Waterfalls has?? Everytime I hear that song it gives mr chills. Then I noticed that MTV obviously plays different videos for the same song in US than they did in Europe. Common?Comments? Then the guy I lent I&W and FII gave 'em back and said he really liked it and his4-year-old daughter Autumn loved, so hopefully he'll shop for DT next time. Finally, in my shame, I have to admit, that the 3 discs that introduced me from Chris de BUrgh to 'harder' stuff (Lynch MOb-Lynch Mob; Badlands-Voodoo Highway; Poisom-Flesh&Blood) still belong to the group of discs that get most playtime in my stereo. I wonder if there's anybody besides me who thinks that CC Deville can play a tasty solo. He may be not as technically able to play as JP but still with great taste for the music.(With that I ain't sayn he's better than JP,ok? Never said that!)By the way I think that Lynch on the Lynch MOb does a great - super - job. Plays chops, but I wouldn't just call it shredding. Is there a Dokken record maybe, that reflects the same knd of soloing and songwriting, or did DonD do it all byhimself??
To piss of some people(just for the fun of it) my fav TASTY JP solos are(in no special order) voices LitS Scarred TTT bootleg
see ya all
schnipp
Just fuckin' seize the fuckin' day...
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