YTSEJAM Digest 4281
Today's Topics:
1) RE: APSoG
by ShadowBor@aol.com
2) RE: that stoopid fucking idiot!
by "Frank Benenati" <fmb@newsalert.com>
3) CW ORANGE
by hajejan <hajejan@online.no>
4) Shadow's Galllery TYRANNY at HMV
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
5) Gordian Knot & Platypus (was: none)
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
6) TTT MP3
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
7) URL for Music BLVD discount.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
8) Fates Gear
by Chris Steidel <steidelc@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US>
9) Re: KC/Vocalists/misc
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
10) this day in history
by Thrak75@aol.com
11) Re: Foundations Forum
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
12) Terry Bozzio Drum Clinic
by NikBrooks@aol.com
13) Clockwork Orange
by NikBrooks@aol.com
14) Whack dat f'n giraffe, beeyotch!
by "McClure Engineering" <mcclure@magiclink.com>
15) conversion factors
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
16) Derek, Poor Derek !
by NikBrooks@aol.com
17) Derek, Poor Derek !
by NikBrooks@aol.com
18) re: Grey areas
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
19) Re: King Crimson...
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
20) Oh no! Not Derek&Kevin again!
by Brian Desany <bd033054@condor.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu>
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:46:30 EDT
From: ShadowBor@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: APSoG
Message-ID: <3435c1bb.36027246@aol.com>
Someone wrote:
>Don't you think Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" is WAY
overestimated?
>I bought it a while ago, and it disappointed me. Really. Seems so stiff and
artificial.
>Is that Fates Warning at their best? Then I won't buy any more of their
CDs...
I could see from my own point of view a reason one might say that, as it
is quite "technical" at times, but no more than any DT in my opinion. I found
that I didn't like the CD at first, except for a couple parts. The album as a
whole is a little too moody, and if fact, just too damn big to take in all at
once, the first time. But, I also found that after listening to just a couple
different parts at a time over the period of time, I started to better know
the parts as separate songs. It then all started to come together in my mind.
Then I started listening to it straight through, and it is now one of my
favorite CDs in my collection. The album, like any music, isn't for everybody
and is perhaps the case with this person ^ . But, as another factor, I had
Parallels and Inside Out (and all their other albums too; I think Parallels is
better than Inside out) before APSoG, so I was much more familiar with Fates.
Parallels is much different than APSoG. It's just eight straight ahead songs.
I think it too is a great album. APSoG on the other hand, was something
completely different and new all for Fates. Perhaps borrow Parallels from
someone and give it a try and then give APSoG a few more tries. If it doesn't
work, then perhaps you're just not going to be a Fates fan, and there's
nothing wrong with that. But this is all just my opinion. Later.
Rob
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:53:08 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <fmb@newsalert.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: that stoopid fucking idiot!
Message-ID: <000301bde314$0cca5680$6a88abc7@fmb_newsalert.newsalert>
> From: DOPDAT@aol.com
>
> speaking from experience, and no offense to you derek, but kevin
> never made as
> many clams as you have during performances.......you spend too much time
> trying to look the part rather than concentrating on the song that you are
> trying to play as well as kevin ever did. i always thought he was a better
> player than you, and does it without being as
> condecending......hail to thee
> Kevin Moore the only keyboard player that dream theater ever
> REALLY had in the
> band........what a shame.......there's always cocktail lounges
> for a second
> rate wannabe like yourself derek.
Can you read???? Did you forget to go to attend school when the taught
reading comprehension????
I can't seem to think of any topic discossed on this jam that had more
people saying "stop, enough" than this one or maybe the religion one....
Enough of this stupid shit!!! You're an idiot! Kev and Derek are two
different players that have two distinctly different styles. That's it. If
you don't like that fact, buy a Fates Warning CD.
Stop thinking with your chocy-starfish and telling us about it. It's about
as distasteful as some city bum in NYC sitting on my face and farting.
-M O J O M A N
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 17:00:06 +0200
From: hajejan <hajejan@online.no>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CW ORANGE
Message-ID: <199809181458.QAA19448@mail1.sol.no>
>Sadly we cannot get this film in the UK now because it is banned here,
>although it is available everywhere else in Europe I believe.
Banned? I haven't seen it, but what is so "bad" about it that it can be
banned from a country?
Haje
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:11:42 +0500
From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shadow's Galllery TYRANNY at HMV
Message-ID: <9809181511.AA15410@jason.qc.ca>
just want to say that i saw the new cd at HMW (galeries de la capitale)
here in Quebec City,Canada yesterday (about 25 copies)
at a reasonnable price ($17.99)
rj
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:31:51 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gordian Knot & Platypus (was: none)
Message-ID: <36027CE7.38C20958@pacbell.net>
Trevor W. Hoit wrote:
>
> Anyone know the US release dates for Gordian Knot and Platypus?
> Thanks
According to Under A Cyber Moon (http://www.dreamtheater.net)...
The US & European release date for Gordian Knot is November 21, 1998.
The US release date for Platypus is merely listed as January, 1999.
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl _________________________________________ THOUGHTS - The Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:37:12 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TTT MP3 Message-ID: <FB615A6AB848D211BD930060975B3ACF0243FC@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
I can't get that bugger to download, it was timing out (rather apt), but now it just downloads 88KB and decides that it's finished,
Frustrated Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama)
NP: Awake - oh yes...!
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: URL for Music BLVD discount. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980918084913.10440A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Greetings friends, Can someone either post or repost the URL for the discount available at Music Blvd. that runs out on the 30th? I must have had a brain fart and not noticed it before I deleted the last digest it was in. Thanks. Be well. Matt B
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:20:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Steidel <steidelc@musashi.gsgis.K12.VA.US> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates Gear Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980918121711.11930A-100000@musashi>
</unix spook> Hi people! For those of you who may know, what gear did Jim Matteus use in the Awaken the Guardian/No Exit era. On songs like Guardian and The Ivory Gate of Dreams, the guitar just has the perfect distorted tone. (An Ibanez RG550, metal zone, and a mesa can only do so much.
-Chris -steidelc@gsgis.k12.va.us -Ataraxia or Warlock on IRC
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: KC/Vocalists/misc Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980918115117.8152A-100000@gs.bass.org>
On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Luke wrote:
> Now comes the next part: what should I check out next? With such an > extensive discog to select from it's rather baffling. Suggestions? I > also have a tape copy of Thrak (cheers Evan) and I dig it - if that > helps... You may want to check out the Night Watch album (the live concert from which the Starless album was excerpted), Absent Lovers (the last live concert before they broke up in the 80's), Thrakattak (live improv), ProjeKct II (studio tomfoolery with Trey, RF, and Belew). Then Pat wrote: > > Questions: > Who are these vocalists: > Bret Douglas Cairo (2 albums on MC label) > Matt Bradley Dali's Dilemma (album soon to be released) > DC Cooper (Royal Hunt?) yes
Then Sebastian wrote: > <snip> By the way I think that Lynch on the Lynch MOb does a great - > super - job. Plays chops, but I wouldn't just call it shredding. Is > there a Dokken record maybe, that reflects the same knd of soloing and > songwriting, or did DonD do it all byhimself?? Don was not by himself. Lynch and Jeff (the bass player) had megainput. Check out Dysfunctional and Shadowlife.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's thought for the Month:
Don't sweat it, we'll get it back to you. Overkill...
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:00:41 EDT From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: this day in history Message-ID: <bd66aff1.360291b9@aol.com>
This Day in Rock, September 18
September 18, 1970, Legendary rock guitarist Jimi Hendrix dies in London of a drug overdose. Hendrix is a 1992 inductee with the Jimi Hendrix Experience.
sad fucking day, eh?
wild koba
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi new york law school thrak75@aol.com http://www.mzachary.com/wildkoba
"insects that are merely noisome like to think that they can also sting." -k. sorabji ************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:05:40 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Foundations Forum Message-ID: <199809181703.NAA11885@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
>Is there a boot out there from DT's gig at this event with Jordan Rudess >on keys?
Ya, I know at least one schmuck is $elling a boot with that show being filler (it's < 45 minutes and he traded it from me - grrrr). I've got it on tape (cruddy sound quality, as all recording of this apparently are) if anyone's interested in a trade... Whoever mentioned the incredible version of TTT is right - Rudess does it flawlessly and the whole thing is noticably faster than normal, which makes him all the more amazing.... Take care all...
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine(-at-)bellsouth.net ICQ: 9382967 http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~alpine ^^ Above URL for Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:15:03 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Terry Bozzio Drum Clinic Message-ID: <cf287666.36029517@aol.com>
Hi jammers
This is just to let any British fans of DT know that one of Mike Portnoy's favourite drummers, Terry Bozzio, is doing a drum clinic in Reading, UK, on Wednesday 30 September.
Tickets are available from an organisation called Drum Wright and the phone number is
0118 9441418
N
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:14:58 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Clockwork Orange Message-ID: <73afea7.36029512@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/18/98 3:15:15PM, you write:
>>The music from Clockwork Orange that DT start some of their concerts with >is: >>"Funeral for Queen Mary" by Henry Purcell, as adapted by Walter Carlow for >the >>film. > >It may interest some to know that the COMPLETE Carlos score for Clockwork >Orange is going to be released sometime in November.
Oops sorry, yes I meant Carlos, my typing was shite last night (ooer that rhymes) What rhymes with grey? Day perhaps? No too corny. Ha ha ha.
That score sounds mighty interesting.
> > >>Sadly we cannot get this film in the UK now because it is banned here, >>although it is available everywhere else in Europe I believe. > >So why is that? I can't imagine it's for the sex or violence given the >standards on both of those today. > >Gary
I think it IS the violence content actually old bean....... (The original version of The Exorcist is also banned here cos of some subliminal flashes of the devil around the frames where the priest is coming up the stairs out of the underground station. Talking of which I went to the Mike Oldfield Tubular Bells III premiere concert which has just happened over here in London on 4 September. Brilliant!!!!)
N
PS: Sorry for sending two posts the same to the digest 4279, folks. Dunno what happened there ...
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:57:59 -0600 From: "McClure Engineering" <mcclure@magiclink.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Whack dat f'n giraffe, beeyotch! Message-ID: <006f01bde32d$e37a04a0$47f086cc@korgx3>
>Can we say "why dont you just grow up"?
He doesn't want to, he's a Toys R' Us kid. :P
Yes, I am... -- We are the Korg, you will be arpeggiated.
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:56:45 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: conversion factors Message-ID: <199809181759.NAA29244@CLEMSON.EDU>
hey hey, i was talking to this freind of mine who's all into ska and stuff and i mentioned that Dt's new stuff was coming out at the end of october and so the conversation turned in that direction - anyways, i asked him if he'd heard of Dt and he said "yeah, joe, umm, what's his name, with a p?" and i said "john petrucci?" and he said "yeah. that guy went to berklee to become a *metal* guitarist." he said that the way you'd say "he went to harvard to become a garbage collector." so obviously it instantly became a challenge for me to show him that DT isn't just a metal band. now... what are some good songs to show him DT? remember he's into ska. i was thinkin stuff to show him that they don't just use power chords and stuff, but then he mentioned that he saw a DT song tabbed out and it had like 27 chords in it, so i guess he already knows that. so i guess i'm hoping that out of the 1000+ people on this list, one or two will be into both ska and DT and might give me some insight into what he might find cool. heh, if only DT had a ska song :) progressive ska... hmm :) moo.
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:17:51 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek, Poor Derek ! Message-ID: <708f4d7a.3602a3cf@aol.com>
Poor Derek!!
I mean, all he wants to do is travel the world playing his keyboards and shag as many beautiful women as possible, while he is still young enough to get it up without the aid of Viagra.
Those guys who slag him off are all jealous, c'mon admit it!!!! ;-p
Here's a thought for y'all regarding the current Bill thing: if all the men in positions of power who have been unfaithful to their wives were to be removed there probably wouldn't be any left at all and then we women could take over the WORLD ;-)
Muuuuuhhhahahahahahahah!!!!!!! Evil laughter complete with sound effects of creaking door and plenty of reverb .....
N
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:17:51 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek, Poor Derek ! Message-ID: <67f6d07a.3602a3cf@aol.com>
Poor Derek!!
I mean, all he wants to do is travel the world playing his keyboards and shag as many beautiful women as possible, while he is still young enough to get it up without the aid of Viagra.
Those guys who slag him off are all jealous, c'mon admit it!!!! ;-p
Here's a thought for y'all regarding the current Bill thing: if all the men in positions of power who have been unfaithful to their wives were to be removed there probably wouldn't be any left at all and then we women could take over the WORLD ;-)
Muuuuuhhhahahahahahahah!!!!!!! Evil laughter complete with sound effects of creaking door and plenty of reverb .....
N
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Grey areas Message-ID: <19980918184550.5054.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
Ok, for all the newbies, here's a list of 10 topics that are no longer discussed, since we have beat them into the ground:
1. Who is better: Kevin Moore or Derek Sherinian? 2. Who should replace John Petrucci if he were to die in a bizarre gardening accident: Steve Vai, Steve Morse or Yngwie Malmsteen? 3. Mike Bahr: Why does he have time to read the jam but doesn't answer my e-mail? Or the ever popular "where are my boots"? 4. Which members of DT use drugs and what are their favorites? Related topics: Did Kevin get medical marijuana in California for his testicular cancer? Did KJLB really have hash with his eggs in Amsterdam? 5. Who's better: The Backstreet Boys or N' Synch? 6. Whose religion is best, mine or yours? 7. Who sold out and how much did it cost? 8. Why new Rush sucks and old Rush rules. Or vice-versa. This argument has many parts, including the Metallica, Queensryche and DT segments. 9. Is Derek a hootenanny? Side topic - Did Derek sleep with your woman or your brother? 10. Vegatarians vs. meat eaters: Hamburger or Ham Murder?
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 12:15:52 -0700 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: King Crimson... Message-ID: <199809181915.MAA11497@hevanet.com>
>Now comes the next part: what should I check out next? With such an >extensive discog to select from it's rather baffling. Suggestions? I >also have a tape copy of Thrak (cheers Evan) and I dig it - if that >helps...
I would suggest trying "Red", which (I believe) features the same lineup as LTiA. It's more cohesive, and "Red" the song, along with "Starless" and, oh hell, the entire album, is incredible. It's very heavy, incredibly heavy for the times.
I would also suggest "In the Court of the Crimson King" which features Greg Lake on vocals and bass. It's quite different than Red, with Robert Fripp the guitarist being the only constant between the two incarnations. (Am I right about this?) But it's very good too.
Andrew
+-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ A conductor is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians. -FZ
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:39:16 -0600 From: Brian Desany <bd033054@condor.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh no! Not Derek&Kevin again! Message-ID: <l03110703b2286f96c609@[128.249.20.48]>
>You wanna discuss their musical styles? Fine. But don't ask "Who do you >think is better, Derek or Kevin?" and expect to be welcomed with open arms.
I don't recall ever asking that.
>We wouldn't have a problem with it if people were to actually discuss their >different playing styles, the sounds they choose, their contributions to >the music or lyrics, or anything that is actually discussion of their >PLAYING. Instead, everyone who jumps on this seems to have an obsession >with determining who is "better". There's very little actual musical >discussion and it always degenerates into a slanging match (that's another
I'm sorry if I failed to make this point myself. I'm surprised that I was interpreted as just wanting to know who people thought was better. The jam's reflexes are good though - very quickly keeping a rational discussion from arising for fear of a bunch of idiots chiming in with inflexible opinions. I understand that fear, and I've already seen its well-founded, but I have learned to quickly jump to the next post in the digest when it becomes clear the current one is bullshit (doesn't take more than 2 SECONDS usually), its really pretty easy. OK that's it for me on this subject (i.e. I won't reply to anyone's rebuttal)- no sense beating a dead horse.
Moving from discussing the discussion of keyboards to discussing keyboards themselves. (Hint: If you're not interested, skip the rest of this post! :) For me, I judge the songs, not the player. This is especially true for KM & DS since my area of expertise is guitar, not keyboards. That is, I can critique JP, but the most I can say about KM and DS is that I like certain songs better than others and I have no real idea of how responsible they are for that (maybe others could shed light on this, if allowed to). And I don't usually analyze any of the songs too much anyway, unless for some reason I'm not very busy. To my knowledge most DT songs are collaborations. Add the producer to that mix (as somebody mentioned recently on the jam) and for me at least, it becomes really tough to judge who is really responsible for the keyboards anyway (probably others feel differently). As for who's the best technical player, I would hope we all agree that it's not answerable, or if not that then at the very least that its totally beside the point.
I hope this post didn't offend anybody by dipping into the "taboo/gray area/off limits topic/censored content/why can't we talk about prog bands I've never heard of instead of DT" part of the jam. :)
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