YTSEJAM Digest 4284
Today's Topics:
1) DT and Simpsons........
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
2) Re: DT and Simpsons........
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) Re: King Crimson...
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
4) Re: King Crimson...
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
5) dt in simpsons
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
6) Home of the mp3 of the week
by Sana-chan <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4278
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) Re: Grey Areas
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
9) Re: outdoorsman JP
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
10) Re: APOG restored to its glory.
by "The Gooch!" <ninja@mindspring.com>
11) Re: George Lynch
by "The Gooch!" <ninja@mindspring.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4283
by "The Gooch!" <ninja@mindspring.com>
13) Re: APOG restored to its glory.
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
14) Re: George Lynch
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
15) Well, cut my balls off and call me a steer!
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) Apocalyptica
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
17) Rudess/DT and boots...
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:09:46 -0700
From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT and Simpsons........
Message-ID: <199809191609.MAA25739@camel14.mindspring.com>
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>From: "Mc-Merc" <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
>Subject: DT in The Simpsons?
> possibilities of having DT in The Simpsons. How
>did Aerosmith or U2 ever get into the show? Does it depend on the
>personal taste of the creators? Or can it be arranged?
>
That would be a cool thing. I wonder if Matt G is a fan of Dream Theater?
Either the record label pushes for it, or Matt is a big fan. That is my
theory.
see ya
todd s
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:23:00 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT and Simpsons........
Message-ID: <3603DA63.F7D7C33B@caribe.net>
Vaiman wrote:
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> >
> >From: "Mc-Merc" <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
> >Subject: DT in The Simpsons?
>
> > possibilities of having DT in The Simpsons. How
> >did Aerosmith or U2 ever get into the show? Does it depend on the
> >personal taste of the creators? Or can it be arranged?
> >
>
> That would be a cool thing. I wonder if Matt G is a fan of Dream Theater?
> Either the record label pushes for it, or Matt is a big fan. That is my
> theory.
>
> see ya
>
> todd s
>
> vaiman@mindspring.com
My guess is that names like Aerosmith and U2 would bring publicity/ratings/money to
any show...
dt cant do that..
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:43:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: King Crimson...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980919134228.4976A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> >Now comes the next part: what should I check out next? With such an
> >extensive discog to select from it's rather baffling. Suggestions? I
> >also have a tape copy of Thrak (cheers Evan) and I dig it - if that
> >helps...
>
> I would suggest trying "Red", which (I believe) features the same lineup
> as LTiA. It's more cohesive, and "Red" the song, along with "Starless"
> and, oh hell, the entire album, is incredible. It's very heavy,
> incredibly heavy for the times.
Red and LTiA both have John Wetton, Bill(y) Bruford and Robert
Fripp, yes. Larks' Tongues In Aspic also has Jamie Muir on percussion and
David Cross on violin/mellotron.
> I would also suggest "In the Court of the Crimson King" which features
> Greg Lake on vocals and bass. It's quite different than Red, with Robert
> Fripp the guitarist being the only constant between the two incarnations.
> (Am I right about this?) But it's very good too.
The *only* constant in King Crimson has been Robert Fripp.
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:48:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
Subject: Re: King Crimson...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980919134647.4976B-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> Whoever here suggested LTiA wasn't a good one to start with, then your
> damn right :) Not that it's bad album, the more I listen the more I
> like, just that's it's taken me quite a few listens to really get into
> this one. LTiA I & II and Exiles being my favs.
That would be me. :)
I've noticed that it took a while for the full effect of LTiA to
come across, but now its in my top 10 all time.
> Now comes the next part: what should I check out next? With such an
> extensive discog to select from it's rather baffling. Suggestions? I
> also have a tape copy of Thrak (cheers Evan) and I dig it - if that
> helps...
I'd start with "Discipline" from 1981. It's the start of the 80's
lineup (Fripp, Belew, Levin, Bruford) and is probably the easiest to get
into. After that, pick up "Red" from 1974. Definatly worth the purchase
price.
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:04:45 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: dt in simpsons
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> It's likely that this has been covered in the Jam before but, I was
> wondering about the possibilities of having DT in The Simpsons. How
> did Aerosmith or U2 ever get into the show? Does it depend on the
> personal taste of the creators? Or can it be arranged?
>
well, let's see. Other guest stars on that show were the smashing
pumpkins, and the red hot chili peppers. These are all top 40 bands that
go over well with the masses, and all four of these bands could
guarantee a crowd anywhere. Cypress Hill was at the hight of their
popularity at the time they appeared on the show. These bands are a draw
for a show that, like all shows, exists to draw viewers. DT is not a
mainstream band, and while successful and very popular among a niche
crowd, does not appeal to the everyday listener like the bands above do.
What possible advantage would come of billing them as guest stars? To
the people in charge of allowing such a thing to happen(not us) none. no
advantage at all. people would watch and say, "what the hell is this? I
never heard of these guys." If you'll recall, none of those guest bands
were inherently entertaining on the show, it was the fact that they were
famous rock stars that made it funny. Not enough people are familiar
with dt's work to enjoy seeing them on the show.
What would be cool, is to hvae one of the writers give them a reference.
You see that all time on the simpsons. remember the halloween bart went
as Alex from clockwork orange? I think if lisa simpson liked metal, DT
would be her favorite band. Maybe someone could ask her what she plans
to do with her musical talent when she's older, and then there could be
a quick 'future-daydream' sequence where she's playing sax at a dream
theater concert.
--Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "I'm just standing up for my rights - as a consumer."
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<P>well, let's see. Other guest stars on that show were the smashing pumpkins, and the red hot chili peppers. These are all top 40 bands that go over well with the masses, and all four of these bands could guarantee a crowd anywhere. Cypress Hill was at the hight of their popularity at the time they appeared on the show. These bands are a draw for a show that, like all shows, exists to draw viewers. DT is not a mainstream band, and while successful and very popular among a niche crowd, does not appeal to the everyday listener like the bands above do. What possible advantage would come of billing them as guest stars? To the people in charge of allowing such a thing to happen(not us) none. no advantage at all. people would watch and say, "what the hell is this? I never heard of these guys." If you'll recall, none of those guest bands were inherently entertaining on the show, it was the fact that they were famous rock stars that made it funny. Not enough people are familiar with dt's work to enjoy seeing them on the show.
<P>What would be cool, is to hvae one of the writers give them a reference. You see that all time on the simpsons. remember the halloween bart went as Alex from clockwork orange? I think if lisa simpson liked metal, DT would be her favorite band. Maybe someone could ask her what she plans to do with her musical talent when she's older, and then there could be a quick 'future-daydream' sequence where she's playing sax at a dream theater concert. <BR> <BR>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:03:09 -0400 From: Sana-chan <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Home of the mp3 of the week Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980919160309.0069ad70@scott.skidmore.edu>
The mp3 of the week has moved to http://sugoi.net
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4278 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980919162048.13740C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Are you an idiot? He isn't even on the list anymore? People like you chased Derek away. Whether this breaks your heart is not an issue. But I think people are just being a little unfair here. Derek had some big shoes to fill. You didn't audition him, DT did. They found something useful in him and took him. You won't get him out of the band. We have been through all of this already. this is what happens when people get fifteen jams behind and reply before cathing up. I get way too much mail every day. I work a 40 hour a week job. (My god, I never thought I would say this shit), and I would rather not listen to constant battles over DS vs KM. This is getting like the Yes mailing list, and I am tired of it. I have defended Derek to the end of my patience. I love Kevin and would defend him too. If you want to get Derek out, get int he band, and persuade DT to kick him out. Or do better. Can you do better? Speaking from my experience as a keyboard player of 20 years, those songs are fucking hard, and Derek didn't write them and you expect him to be able to become Kevin? Never gonna happen, folks. I think he had a very difficult job to do, a job that 85 percent of us could never do, and he does it as best he can. Yeah, maybe he does have some ego problems. He's a musician. we all have ego problems to some degree. But if you can't back that up, then shut the fuck up and go back to your music scores and pracitce a little more. I am in no position to down either DT keyboard player. They are both better than me. They write rally goot shit and i enjoy and admire their talents. Go get some lessons and shut up. I am sick of this argument. Nobody is going to win here. They both rock, they are both doing their things and leave it at that. For God's sake, shut the fuck up.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates Keyboardist and vocalist "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Grey Areas Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980919165317.13740D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Does Skadz even check his email anymore? I bet if somebody told Skadz to fuck off, he wouldn't get that mail for about a month or so, and by the time he took action on it, the ytsejam subscriber list would turn over a few times.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates Keyboardist and vocalist "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:55:43 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: outdoorsman JP Message-ID: <1998919175234741@ix.netcom.com>
<<wait a minute if he's a outdoorsman then where is his tan!!!!>>
heh, yeah, if it werent for his last name, I wouldnt think he was Italian....
Matt ===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:28:01 +0000 From: "The Gooch!" <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: APOG restored to its glory. Message-ID: <3603F7AC.F3E7FC62@mindspring.com>
** "Don't you think Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" is WAY overestimated? I bought it a while ago, and it disappointed me. Really. Seems so stiff and artificial. Is that Fates Warning at their best? Then I won't buy any more of their CDs..." **
** Response:
NO WAY BUD!
Probably the best CD in prog rock circles in the last few years. At once uncomprimising and emotionally-charged, this is an incredible an diverse musical statement. Although I still think Parallels is their best.
If you are used to prog with all sorts of over-playing and self-indulgence, then sure, you may not like it. But this CD is one that grows on you with more FULL listens. Especially with the headphones (like Rage for Order). Much more mature than your typical prog bands and the songwriting is cohesive and powerful.
So there.
Scott M.
http://www.mindspring.com/~ninja
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:32:10 +0000 From: "The Gooch!" <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: George Lynch Message-ID: <3603F8A5.7E471F01@mindspring.com>
Yeah, George Lynch is probably one of the best guitarists of the 80's and 90's even though the bands hes been in are greatly appreciated, never had massive commercial acceptance. His playing is fiery and insane... scary. Even to this day, his solos are one of the most stand-out elements in the good old days of rock and metal. Here's to his next solo CD. His playing stands up to Petrucci's and guys like him. All are great and incredibly talented players. Now if HE would form a prog band... I'd eat my shirt.
- Scott M.
http://www.mindspring.com/~ninja
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:41:32 +0000 From: "The Gooch!" <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4283 Message-ID: <3603FAD6.FA3A5C3B@mindspring.com>
SOMEONE SPEWED:
But when someone blatenly disregards to rules by which we are governed, I get a little "hot headed" and angry.
SO I MUST COMMENT:
There is a ytsejam rulebook? Never got my copy. Hmmmm..... maybe this could be a NYTimes Hardcover best-seller (hint, hint). So, I guess someone should get to work and print one FAST so the newcomers know the 'taboo' topics.
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:03:44 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: APOG restored to its glory. Message-ID: <36043850.55232698@goodnet.com>
The Gooch! wrote: > >> ** "Don't you think Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" is WAY >>overestimated? > NO WAY BUD! > > Probably the best CD in prog rock circles in the last few years. At once uncomprimising and emotionally-charged, this is an > incredible an diverse musical statement. Although I still think Parallels is their best. Also, remember that the live album is due out in the US on Oct. 6th... You can pre-order it now, find out the track list, hear a sample, check out the cover art, etc. at http://www.ivorygate.com/fw
The lucky Europeans already have it! ;-/
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:12:01 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: George Lynch Message-ID: <36043A40.27E95420@goodnet.com>
The Gooch! wrote: > > Yeah, George Lynch is probably one of the best guitarists of the 80's and 90's even though the bands hes been in are greatly > appreciated, never had massive commercial acceptance. His playing is fiery and insane... scary. Even to this day, his solos > are one of the most stand-out elements in the good old days of rock and metal. Here's to his next solo CD. His playing stands > up to Petrucci's and guys like him. All are great and incredibly talented players. Now if HE would form a prog band... I'd eat > my shirt. I always liked Lynches sound and style... and really Dokken was a pretty good band, especially their second album. Nice solid songs (a little 80ish but not bad) and Lynch's killer playing...great solos on most of them... I never cared much for the stuff he did after Dokken though... a little too cheezey for me I guess....
But, yes, George could be really cool if he would apply himself <g> and get that LTE style band going!
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:11:00 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Well, cut my balls off and call me a steer! Message-ID: <01bde422$c3ec34a0$200d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
You, know, when you think about it, Derek's one of the smartest members in DT.
a) He's not married. Face it. The other four members of DT are very lucky in who they are married to. You have to realize that the life of a musician is often a lonely one. They're on tour for a good part of their lives and that time is often spent away from their wives. The old saying, "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" does have its limits as many musicians have come to know. Derek's been in the biz for a long, long time and I'm sure he's seen what strains this sort of activity can pose on a relationship and is obviously smart enough to avoid one until he settles down.
b) He's getting poochie every night and doesn't have to pay for it. Yah, you can yell "Clinton" all you want, but as I said, he's not married, so I don't see the problem with it as long as he uses proper preventatives against leaving a large spawn of little Dereks throughout the world going, "Who was my daddy?." "Son, your daddy was a hootenanny." "My daddy was in Hootie and the Blowfish?" "No your, daddy was Woodsey the Owl."
c) He's wise enough not to backlash at his attackers on the jam and simply bow out gracefully. This one gets him extra credit points from me. Can I say... YOU FUCKERS ARE BRUTAL! Well, I just did, so there. :P Give credit where credit is due. Derek is in DT. Not Kevin... Not Jordan... Not King Kong Bundy... Derek is. Repeat that to yourself until you either stop being so immature and accept it, or just do us all a favor and unsubscribe.
That's the one that gets my goat the most. All you wimpies crying, "I wish Kevin were back" or "I wish DT would have picked Jordan." You're probably the bratty kids who sat down on the floor of Wal-Mart and bawled and bawled until your mom gave in and bought you that Transformer you didn't need. Think about it. Don't those children just irritate you and piss you off so bad, and there's nothing you can do about it? That's what this whole thing reminds me of. Too bad your mothers wouldn't have just beat the holy shit out of you right then and there and correct this habit before it began.
And with that being said, I declare this thread to be over. I'd actually rather talk about soccer or something. Ack I mentioned soccer on the jam.
My mom's a dirty slut. -- KorgX3 has got his milk where he wants it. Chug-a-lug... Chug-a-lug... Makes me wanna sing Heidi Ho!
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:24:42 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Apocalyptica Message-ID: <19980919232510.BETD18708@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey, I just saw Your Friends and Neighbors, Neil Labute's new movie with Ben Stiller and Jason Patric. In the opening credits, there's this stringed music playing, and me and the other two people in the theater start laughing when we realized it was Enter Sandman. Then later in the movie, they used part of Sanitarium and some of Wherever I May Roam. It was really jarring to hear such familiar songs in such unfamiliar arrangements. The movie itself was veeeeerrrrrrry unsettling.
Andrew
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:27:00 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rudess/DT and boots... Message-ID: <199809192325.TAA20301@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
>is this from a boot and if so which one? The quality is fukin awesome!! >i would love to hear some more.
Man, this stuff really chaps my hide. The answer to this question really depends on your definition of "boot." Back in the day, when bootleggers had, in general, some integrity, the answer would have been yes. You could get a tape/dat/md of this by trading for it - only the lowliest of tapers would have sold it to you. These days, tho', where "boot" means "a show someone has thrown on CD-R and is trying to $ell," I don't think so. AFAIK, no "named" CD-R bootleg you can buy off some guy looking to make a penny is of this show.
>WOW!!! I want this whole show. Who has a copy that sounds this good >and can put it on CDR? I'm willing to pay for it. Later,
You post the above on a list/group that discusses serious bootlegging and you'll get tossed off before you can blink. "I'm willing to pay for it?" Man I wish live taping (outside of the Grateful Dead, Widespread Panic, Phish, etc circles) had maintained SOME semblance of integrity. In many people's eyes (ie, people that have been doing this before CD-R came out and turned taping into a pay-per-listen farce) bootlegging is fine/ethical if you're not giving/receiving any monetary compensation for the music (ie, not getting money for work that's not yours). I find it hard to believe that anyone (anyone who actually thinks about it for a second, that is) can find buying boots from anyone other than the artist ethical. Owell, maybe it's just me (at least on this list), but if anyone has any views on this I'd like to hear them - for or against. I think this has been discussed on the 'Jam enough (tho' fools are still shelling out the cash for live music), so send any replies privately, if possible... Take care all!
(Just in case, none of the comments above were meant directly for the people I quoted, just the attitude in general. No offense intended...)
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine(-at-)bellsouth.net ICQ: 9382967 http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~alpine ^^ Above URL for Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________
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