YTSEJAM Digest 4294
Today's Topics:
1) The Guitar Poster
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
2) new Ytsejam shirts
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
3) Diavoletto & Diavolo
by Uroborosss@aol.com
4) dr00l !!!
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
5) No molesto los gatos spectacular...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) Canadian band "The Tea Party" (NDTC)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
7) DTIFC
by Lawrence Leon <larryleon@earthlink.net>
8) EMG 85's
by Wcphill@aol.com
9) You Not Me cover..
by Chris <slim@5150.com>
10) wanted:Galactic Cowboys : Space In Your Face
by "komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi" <op777@surffi.net>
11) RE: $5 off
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
12) symphony x still!
by "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
13) Question:HY on Once in a LIVEtime - TAMP
by "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
14) Re: symphony x still!
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
15) Bahr URL
by Rich Rochelle <Rich.Rochelle@asu.edu>
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:08:19 -0500
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
Subject: The Guitar Poster
Message-ID: <001f01bde770$f7ed0120$07809c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
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Well, being as I am one of several guitar posters here on the jam, I =
thought I'd chime in here...
Some gentleman was speaking about the "Ultimate Guitar Chord Poster" and =
its merits, as well as the difficulties involved in obtaining such a =
masterpiece of relicdom. Stop, and think for a moment. They make a =
Guitar Grimoire for Chords. It has seventeen billion eight hundred and =
4 chords in it. I counted. When I was done playing the seventeen =
billion seven hundred and ninety third chord, I realized, much to my =
dismay, "SHIT! What was chord four million and twelve again?!" I found =
out that my chord limit was only four million and eleven! That sucked =
for me.... what a bad day in my life. =20
This year at NIU, I joined the music school, and started learning shit =
that I should have been working on for a long time. You can all thank =
Fareed Haque for the fact that this is my first post in well over a =
month. I've been working my balls off. The first thing that Fareed =
taught us guitar geeks? (I had realized this much earlier when I forgot =
that God forsaken chord) Chord books and Chord posters are not =
worthwhile investments in learning. They're okay as references, but =
even then, unnecessary.
Shakespeare was an amazing author. After reading several of his plays =
over and over, I began to understand his use of the English language as =
an art. I know English. I'm no Shakespeare. All of the words he used =
are in the dictionary. Why can't I just write a sonnet? Because the =
words have to have meaning beyond the definition. There has to be some =
practical idea behind them. =20
What is my point? Do yourself a favor. Start with C Major. Let's call =
the root and 5th "Bass Tones." Use either/or and put it on one of the =
low 2 strings (5th and 6th string... E and A). So you're either using C =
or G as your bass tone now--you're not using both yet. Next, we'll dub =
the 3rd and 7th notes of C Major the "Color Tones." The 3 and 7 dictate =
the chord quality... it's the most important part of the chord. Put =
them on the two middle strings (3rd and 4th; G and D). You now have a =
bass tone and the two color tones (E and B). There are only 2 logical =
fingerings for each of these (4 in all, since you can either have C or G =
as your bass tone). Start by memorizing these little 3 note cluster =
shapes. Move them around and figure out what chord you're playing... it =
will always be a Maj 7 chord as long as you don't break the shape. Now, =
you can add the other bass tone (if you used C as your bass tone, now =
we're talking about G, or vice versa) but NOT on one of the two lowest =
strings, Put it on the top, on either the 1st or 2nd string. These =
four note voicings sound very similar to the 3 note voicings, and they =
all sound similar to each other.
When you approach chords from this angle, it's very easy to see how to =
create a more advanced chord, like a C Maj 9 (Yeah, I know, real =
tough... but most of you couldn't just play a C Maj 9 off the tops of =
your heads, and neither could I until I learned this method). You just =
put the 9th scale degree (D) in place of your highest note. You can =
work on inversions later... it's all very logical and mathematical. =
Just start with this formula, and you'll be able to play any chord, =
instead of starting with a little grid of dots and looking for one grid =
that sounds better than another. This is how a pianist works... and if =
they can do it, we should be able to as well, right? Modify this as =
much as you like, and you'll be playing C7#9b13/G off the top of your =
head _AND_ knowing what the hell you're doing, in no time flat!
I wish I had learned this stuff years ago, instead of hunting through =
scales to find voicings for chords!
- Madsman
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>This year at NIU, I joined the music =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Shakespeare was an amazing =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>What is my point? Do yourself =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>When you approach chords from this =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I wish I had learned this stuff years ago, instead =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>- Madsman</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:02:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Cc: jrasi@bigfoot.com
Subject: new Ytsejam shirts
Message-ID: <199809240402.AAA07285@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Just a quick note to everyone. I got the new Ytsejam t-shirt today,
and I must say that I am ipressed with them. Very cool design, good
quality, the works. Pretty good segrvice, sent out a check last
monday (approx) and had the shirts today. For those who don't know
about them, check out http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel/ or email Josh
Rasiel at jrasi@bigfoot.com to order them.
--
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
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| will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity |
| --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! |
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/
Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:58:32 EDT
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Diavoletto & Diavolo
Message-ID: <6b02900f.3609d178@aol.com>
> From: seasend@ix.netcom.com (Stephen Glowacki)
> Subject: Searching For: Tim Lodge
>
> Sorry to take this public, but Tim Lodge is MIA. Anybody know his new
> email? Yo, Tim :-0
I second the motion. I'd like to know where this man is.
Also. In my absence I learned through an anonymous source that Mike Bahr has
decided to stop pissing off John Petrucci and isn't conveniently assembling
collections of rarities anymore, but is instead overseeing a store that deals
with Magic cards. Would someone who likes to type please enlighten me further?
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:37:45 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: dr00l !!!
Message-ID: <01BDE78E.3C8D2FE0@200.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
Fans of Dream Theater, Marillion, Spock's Beard and
Fates Warning, prepair to dr00l...
Mike Portnoy (drums)
Jim Matheos of Fates Warning (guitar)
Neal Morse of Spock's Beard (vocals, keyboards)
Pete Trewavas of Marillion (bass)
These guys will be in the studio in December...
YES, together!
Mark Bredius
_______________________________________________________
Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website
http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
The Official H Website -- http://www.hogarth.com/steve/
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:33:41 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: No molesto los gatos spectacular...
Message-ID: <01bde77c$e3b828e0$190d84d0@korgx3>
>Also. In my absence I learned through an anonymous source that Mike Bahr
>has decided to stop pissing off John Petrucci and isn't conveniently
Actually, last I heard, Mike Bahr is no longer with us in this world. He
was last seen being pressed into a large disc, cooked, and served to hungry
patrons at Mike Ostrich's Pancake House on the corner of Manson Street and
Dahmer Ave.
And as far as the Jordan Rudess TTT MP3 goes...
So? I don't see what all the excitement is about.
Stone Cold Steve Austin? I could kick his sorry ass...
--
KorgX3
NP: Storyhill, Echoes, Disc 2.
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:55:24 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Canadian band "The Tea Party" (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980923235522.006fe2e0@postoffice.syspac.com>
Hey,
Anyone happen to video-tape The Tea Party's concert on Much Music last
week? I'd be very appreciative to anyone who could get me a copy of that
show!
Thanks in advance!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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| http://members.xoom.com/obscuremetal/ |
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:29:31 -0700
From: Lawrence Leon <larryleon@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTIFC
Message-ID: <3609D8BB.1625@earthlink.net>
I am new to the jam. I just joined the 20th century and bought a
computer. The only other way I could receive information on Dream
Theater was through the FANZINE from the DTIFC.
After I sent my last payment to the new address in NYC, I never heard
from Neil Elliott again. I also never received the latestes FANZINE or
response to certified letters inquiring about my subscription.
Does anyone know what happened to the DTIFC? I figured this would be the
best place to ask.
Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:01:38 EDT
From: Wcphill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: EMG 85's
Message-ID: <d54f20b4.3609ee52@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/22/98 2:32:23 PM Central Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< The 85 in the neck position sounds
like heaven to me. Rich fat sound with sustains that goes on and on like
Duracell bunny. I like the way it sounds in clean mode too and I'm
definately interested in how it would sound on bridge position (anyone?)
I guess people have love/hate relationship with these pickups, but I'm a
sucker for active electronics so it suits me more than fine.
>>
I have a Yamaha Pacifica that I bought used from a friend that has 85's in the
bridge and neck position, and both of them sound great. Lots of gain and
mids, and the clean tone on the neck position is great. 85's give you alot
more midrange than the 81's, which is one reason I really like them in both
pickup positions.
Warren P.
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 03:16:29 -0500
From: Chris <slim@5150.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me cover..
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980924031629.008cb720@access.mountain.net>
Some friends of mine that are in a band incorperate some DT into their set
each night. Sounds pretty good to me. Let me know what you all think. I got
a 3 meg zipped up mp3 of their cover of "You Not Me" available for
download. Get it here..
http://web.mountain.net/~chrisj/fools/
BTW, the bands name is Ship Of Fools, out of Huntington, WV.
Chris R.
slim@5150.com
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:40:42 +0200
From: "komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi" <op777@surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: wanted:Galactic Cowboys : Space In Your Face
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980924114042.00912530@mail.surffi.net>
as the topic says... mail me if you want to get rid of this disc..
op777
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:45:00 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: $5 off
Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E55A@ms.kallback.com>
> Visit my site and go through the link at the bottom to get $5 off at
> cd-now. Offer expires Sept. 31st at midnight.
> http://www.flash.net/~kvill/cds4sale.html
> Then click on the cd-now banner at the bottom of the page.
>
The order has to be over $9.99 but if you
pre-order Still Life (live FW) for $11.99 and
buy something else, it's a pretty sweet deal.
Trevor
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:25:05 +0200 (CEST)
From: "(just) Asmodel" <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: symphony x still!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980924121639.4765A-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
I dont really think counterpoint is what makes a song good but ok i'll
pass,they SURE know how to write music.I just expected more from them coz
i've set too high standards (sometimes even DT dont reach them).I think
i'll buy Divinge Wings of Tragedy as well so i can learn more about
symphony x..as about my objections..dont ALL the guitar solos sound ike
Malmsteen? (but the last song of Twilight in olympus)..dont the keyboard
player sound like a mixture of Moore and Jens Johansson? dont tell me no.
but thats ok..i'll pass too coz still they are talented musicians..hey
listen to Through the glass mirror..isnt the intro riff on keyboards
EXACTLY like surrounded intro? dont many themes of the outro of its 3rd
part
remind u of Images and words (learning to live to be more precise)..thats
what i think..now if they have some DT influences its just fine! they're
still a great band..but the guitarist -in some of his interviews- insisted
he has no DT influences whatsoever.."its just that DT and symphony X have
the same influences!" (i'm not that stupid to buy that!) anyway..the more
i listen to Twilight in Olympus the more i luv it..i expect more from
them.
asmodel
*****************************************
* ..there's a chill about us.. *
* ..and there's a sadness with us.. *
* ..and deep within us.. *
* ..lies this shade of gray.. *
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:32:08 -0000
From: "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Question:HY on Once in a LIVEtime - TAMP
Message-ID: <05d3c4113111898UPIMSSMTPUSR06@email.msn.com>
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:02:50 +0200
> From: "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
> To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Re: Question:HY on Once in a LIVEtime
>
>I can asure you that in Paris TAMP was performed without sax. Strange, I
> thought that only the Paris gig will be included on "once in a livetime".
>
>Take care,
>Volodya.
Yea, but in Hard Rock magazine (No 38 - september 98) Mike mentions in
his interview with Stephane Auzilleau that there are some overdubs - (95%
is authentic, he sayes) and on page Mike is quoted as saying that the Sax
part is played by Jay Beckerstein of Sypro Gyra.
Charlie
NP: A Fiction of Sadness - another great disk from the AON guys!
Work: http://www.servemode.co.uk/
email: charlie@servemode.co.uk
URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:09:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: symphony x still!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.02A.9809240901060.4615-100000@panix2.panix.com>
On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, (just) Asmodel wrote:
> I dont really think counterpoint is what makes a song good but ok i'll
> pass,
Well now 'good' is a different issue! Each person has to decide.. the
original question was "what's so special about this band?".
>dont the keyboard
> player sound like a mixture of Moore and Jens Johansson? dont tell me no.
Hey, this sounds pretty cool! <g>
> what i think..now if they have some DT influences its just fine! they're
> still a great band..but the guitarist -in some of his interviews- insisted
> he has no DT influences whatsoever.."its just that DT and symphony X have
> the same influences!" (i'm not that stupid to buy that!)
Well, agreed, OK, just don't read the interviews then. <g>
Jens. <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:48:32 -0700 (MST)
From: Rich Rochelle <Rich.Rochelle@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bahr URL
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980924093656.22481A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
It's www.goodnet.com/~durnik
If you think someone losing ONE CD and $25 from Bahr over 6 months, check this
out: Last.... hmmm..... year I think, I ordered a bunch of CDs to the tune of
$94 from Bahr. About ten emails later i still have yet to receive it. When I
emailed him, he would (eventually, if I was persistent enough) email me back
and say that he shipped it or some other bullshit. He has done this about 3
separate times already, well he and Melissa who takes care of shipping (or
"takes care of shipping" if you know what I mean). To make matters worse,
I've moved in between that time, and now I'm moving again because my apt. is
too expensive. He probably thinks I'm dicking him around for more CDs.
Funny, these orders NEVER showed up on his updates, even though he claimed to
have sent everything out (no backlogged orders! yay!)
"Your order should go out next week"
"Hmm, I thought we already shipped it"
"I make 'em, she ships 'em"
Maybe he should have considered filling his orders first instead of opening
his store. Well, then again, it's free money, so why not?
I hereby apologize for venting on the Ytsejam. Hasta...
-Rich
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