YTSEJAM Digest 4297

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: Destiny
     by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
      2) re: A little question
     by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
      3) Re: Jen
     by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4294
     by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
      5) Re: Yes & Genesis (please give me some advice)
     by "Damon Fibraio" <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
      6) STEVE VAI
     by NikBrooks@aol.com
      7) TWO MORE 'MUST HAVE' CDs
     by NikBrooks@aol.com
      8) TWO MORE 'MUST HAVE' CDs
     by NikBrooks@aol.com
      9) Re: Spews, etc.
     by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
     10) JP Rock Discipline Vid.
     by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
     11) Hurricane George
     by NikBrooks@aol.com
     12) Re: Rush R&R Hall of Fame
     by Darth1@aol.com
     13) Other Prog Metal/Rock groups?
     by Darth1@aol.com
     14) A space opera by Ayreon (Listen)
     by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Tijmstra?=" <r.tijmstra@multiweb.nl>
     15) Re: Rush R&R Hall of Fame
     by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
     16) What is WRONG with King's X?
     by Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com>
     17) Satriani
     by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
     18) Fwd: Damn have I been busy
     by Chris Oates <aspect@tinagh.org>
     19) crap, I gotta post again
     by Chris Oates <aspect@tinagh.org>

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:48:22 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Destiny
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980925124743.358E-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>

    >Volodya.
    >NP - Stratovarius "Destiny"

    Does this album have any bonus tracks?

    Robert Taylor
    rctaylor@uiuc.edu
    http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:25:38 -0400
    From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
    To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: re: A little question
    Message-ID: <4.1.0.67.19980925142006.009332f0@pop.usefulware.com>

    Greetings ye 'jamanoids...

    Rogerio wants to know:
    > You know, I've been reading the Jam for some time now and I've
    >seen many, many bands mentioned here every day. But one thing caught my
    >attention: why are there so many bands obsessed to have X in their names?
    >You know, Racer X, Symphony X, Eternity X, King's X and a lot of other
    >XXX's you may thing of... :-)

    There was some discussion of this awhile back on the Symphony X list.
    Here's a couple quickies:

    1) general consensus is that Racer X was "first" to use the X as a part of
    a band name. "Racer X" actually comes from an old Japanese animation called
    "Speed Racer", where Racer X was one of the characters in the show.

    2) Eternity X added the X in their name to keep from being sued for
    copyright infringement (a Christian band already had trademarked "Eternity").

    3) King's X: this expression actually dates back to medieval times where it
    was more often used as "King's Cross". Anyone marked with a King's Cross
    was under the protection of the king, for one reason or another, and was to
    be left unmolested.

    4) Symphony X: to the best of my knowledge they just did it because it
    sounded cool. :)

    Ta,
    Phil

    ================================================
    Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support
    phil@usefulware.com (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
    "I should never have written all those tank programs."
            -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
    Currently playing: Rush -- "Hold Your Fire"

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:32:22 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Jen
    Message-ID: <19980925183222.18626.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>

    > Jen: I can't belive it is really you. I am from Panama but currently
    > studying in the US in Massachusetts...

    Man, what is it about panamanians and Massachusetts? :)

    Ernesto

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4294
    Message-ID: <19980925184703.22069.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>

    > From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
    > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    >

    hmmm, first post in over a month, and it's in MIME. Nice job Ptacek:)
     Anyways, just to add to your chord primer, I know a very practical
    way of learning chords: Learning to do walking bass w/ comping on the
    guitar. Obviously since your hand going all over the place playing
    bass, you have to know your chords well. I'm taking a class on that
    this semester, and in the first five minutes, I pretty much knew D-7
    up and down the neck, I shit you not.

    Ern
     

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:58:38 -0400
    From: "Damon Fibraio" <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Yes & Genesis (please give me some advice)
    Message-ID: <008801bde8b6$99d7f1c0$1822bfd1@tac4a>

    Here's what I think. For Yes, go with Close to the Edge, Fragile, The yes
    Album, or Relayer. From 80s Yes, go with Drama, or 90125. Also look into
    YesSongs, YesShows, and both Keys to ascension albums. If you are into
    coilations, go with The Yes box set, I forget the name of it right now, or a
    little bit cheaper is YesStory, a two cd set that has somne good stuff. For
    Genesis, definitely pick up Foxtrot, Selling England by the pound, and The
    Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. Also, Seconds Out, and Three Sides live may be
    cool, but 3sl has more commercial stuff on it. Look into Win and Wuthering
    and And then there wer three, too. Duke is good, but it gets a little
    commercial from there. If you don't care, then go with Duke, abacab,
    genesis, invisible touch, and we can't dance. The way we walk are two live
    albums from 1991, so try them, too. Calling all stations is one I would
    avoid right now. HOpe this all helps. Hope this even goes through, I am
    trying out Outlook Express at work. Cross your fingers.
    Damon Fibraio, Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates
    damon@monmouth.com, 732-937-6394
    -----Original Message-----
    ]From: The Oysterman <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 2:32 AM
    Subject: Yes & Genesis (please give me some advice)

    >
    >Hi there!
    >
    >I was just wondering if you could give me some advice when it comes to the
    music of Yes and Genesis. I have listened to "Classic Yes" and "A trick of
    the tail", and I'm a big fan of 'em both! So, what should my next purchase
    be?
    >
    >Now, I bet you all have different opinions on this, therefore I ask you to
    e-mail me PRIVATELY with any recommendations - not only will the risk of an
    unnecessary discussion be eliminated, it will also save some bandwidth...
    :-)
    >
    >Thanx in advance!
    >
    >the O
    >
    >
    >Get your FREE E-mail at http://mailcity.lycos.com
    >Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com
    >

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:00:54 EDT
    From: NikBrooks@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: STEVE VAI
    Message-ID: <d7546f68.360be866@aol.com>

    In a message dated 9/25/98 10:31:55AM, you write:

    >
    >Friend of mine and I are having a bit of a musical trivia argument.
    >Perhaps there's somebody out there who could shed light on this topic:
    >
    >Was Steve Vai ever in Savatage and/or did he ever play with them?
    >
    >(BTW, I'm the one siding with "no".)
    >
    >Brian "Clueless / Alicia Silverstone" Henderson
    >

    Don't think so!!! His previous bands include Frank Zappa and Alcatraz (with
    Graham Bonnet where he replaced the departing Malmsteen).

    Anyone else????

    N

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:00:48 EDT
    From: NikBrooks@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: TWO MORE 'MUST HAVE' CDs
    Message-ID: <a4e697b.360be860@aol.com>

    In a message dated 9/25/98 10:31:55AM,Mark Bredius wrote:

    > Sorry... I should've been more clear in my post...
    > LTE will be going back into the studio in October,
    > with the same lineup... Portnoy/Levin/Petrucci and
    > of course the much talked about Jordan Rudess. :)
    >
    >> Mike Portnoy (drums)
    >> Jim Matheos of Fates Warning (guitar)
    >> Neal Morse of Spock's Beard (vocals, keyboards)
    >> Pete Trewavas of Marillion (bass)
    >
    > This line-up does not have a name yet, but will be
    > in the studio in December. I'm still drooling over
    > the thought of hearing Mike and Pete play together
    > on one album. :))
    >
    > Mark Bredius

    Yep should be good. Marillion's recent Jazz Cafe gig (14 Sep) was great.
    Theya re touring here beginning of November.

    Thank you, thank you. Now we have two more CDs to cheer us all up!

    N

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:00:53 EDT
    From: NikBrooks@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: TWO MORE 'MUST HAVE' CDs
    Message-ID: <772400fa.360be865@aol.com>

    In a message dated 9/25/98 10:31:55AM,Mark Bredius wrote:

    > Sorry... I should've been more clear in my post...
    > LTE will be going back into the studio in October,
    > with the same lineup... Portnoy/Levin/Petrucci and
    > of course the much talked about Jordan Rudess. :)
    >
    >> Mike Portnoy (drums)
    >> Jim Matheos of Fates Warning (guitar)
    >> Neal Morse of Spock's Beard (vocals, keyboards)
    >> Pete Trewavas of Marillion (bass)
    >
    > This line-up does not have a name yet, but will be
    > in the studio in December. I'm still drooling over
    > the thought of hearing Mike and Pete play together
    > on one album. :))
    >
    > Mark Bredius

    Yep should be good. Marillion's recent Jazz Cafe gig (14 Sep) was great.
    Theya re touring here beginning of November.

    Thank you, thank you. Now we have two more CDs to cheer us all up!

    N

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:38:46 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
    To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Spews, etc.
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980925152913.24450A-100000@gs.bass.org>

    Last time on the digest, Steve Z insulted the most egotistic musicians by
    scrawling:
    ><snip>(or trumpet--any of the high, loud things...)

    Well, ExcuseMe, but I represent that remark. For trumpet playersit should
    be:
    Q: How many trumpeters does it take to change a light bulb?

    A: Five. One to change it and the other four to say they could do it
    better. (or they could go higher)

    Really. Get the joke *right* would you. I do not believe the world
    revolves around me. It's the rest of the universe.

    /me uses both his hands to yank his tongue out of his cheek.

    NP: DT-FII
        Second Coming-S/T
        Marillion-Pissed and Broke (that still cracks me up)
        Spiritualized-Ladies and Gentlemen....
        Astralasia-The Seven Pointed Star

    PS i hope y'all recognize the quote. don't blame ya if ya don't.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Paul's musical quote for the Month:

    Don't sweat it, we'll get it back to you. Overkill...

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:39 -0800 (PST)
    From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
    To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: JP Rock Discipline Vid.
    Message-ID: <19980925194028.BBZR31405@localHost>

    Anybody know where I can find Tabs of the booklet that comes w/ the Rock
    Discipline Video. I thought I had seen them once and I lost the booklet
    that came w/ my video. Thanks to anyone that can help.

    ytse on,

    eD

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:19:05 EDT
    From: NikBrooks@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Hurricane George
    Message-ID: <a54c82c2.360bfab9@aol.com>

    To all my fellow DT fans in the Forida and surroudning areas. Keep safe. We
    are just getting news over here about the hurricane. We are thinking about
    y'all.

    N

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:08:21 EDT
    From: Darth1@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Rush R&R Hall of Fame
    Message-ID: <65f35ed1.360c0645@aol.com>

    In a message dated 9/23/98 1:56:40 PM Central Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
    writes:

    > Hey guys and gals. I know that some of you are big time Rush fans. I
    > just found out that they are able to be inducted into the R&R hall of
    > fame this year. The National Midnight Star is looking to have 250,000
    > entries. C'mon people lets do Rush A favor and vote for an awsome
    > Band that Truly deserves our Thanks

    Where do I vote? I would love to see my favorite Prog. Rock group in the hall
    of fame!

    Josh

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:38:20 EDT
    From: Darth1@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Other Prog Metal/Rock groups?
    Message-ID: <15f9333e.360c0d4c@aol.com>

    (Lurk mode = off)

    Howdy everyone,
    I'm new to the Jam (lurking for a couple of weeks now) and a fairly new DT
    fan. The first album I bought from them a few months ago was Falling Into
    Infinity and I was totally awestruck by the complex rythems and JP's and the
    whole group's playing style, but I guess you all were too when you first heard
    them |-). Anyways, I've always been a huge Rush fan and I didn't think music
    could get any better or more complex (without going into the classical stuff
    like Bach and Mozart) then Rush. Not that Rush is inferior by any means (my 2
    new favorite albums are Rush - Test for Echo and DT - Falling Into Infinity),
    but now I've been opened up to totally new genre that I though only existed
    with Rush. Being a musician myself (Bass in my band, Guitar for 15 years) I
    can fully appreciate the complexity and effort it takes to write and play
    progressive songs like that.
    Well, now that thats done... Yesterday I bought Fates Warning - A Pleasant
    Shade of Gray after seeing some people talking about the group on the Jam.
    This album kicks major booty (IMHO) and I was wondering if some of you
    guys/gals could point me in the direction of some other Prog Metal groups like
    FW and DT. I may have to sell some of my Madonna CDs to support this new
    habit! |-) I've got most of DT's stuff but I was wondering where I could get
    some of the boots and foriegn(sp?) stuff? Also is the "Live in Tokyo" video
    any good? I appreciate the help and feel free to flame away if Ive asked
    something that should already be known or offended anyone.

    Josh S.

    | When there is reason, Tonight I'm Awake. |
    | When there's no answer, Arrive the Silent Man.|
    | III. The Silent Man - Awake, Dream Theater |

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    Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:23:23 +0200
    From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Tijmstra?=" <r.tijmstra@multiweb.nl>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: A space opera by Ayreon (Listen)
    Message-ID: <000801bde8d3$32f98a00$bf09acc1@workstation>

    Just got the latest project of Arjen Anthony Lucassen "A space opera"

    Words are not enough, you must listen to this great 2CD.
    With {Fish, Sharon den Adel, Damian Wilson, Edwin Balogh, Anneke van
    Giersbergen (The Gathering), Jay van Feggelen, Arjen Anthony Lucassen,
    Edward Reekers, Peter Daltrey} on Voacals

    For more info: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ayreon

    Carpe Diem

    Ren=E9 Tijmstra

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:05:11 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Rush R&R Hall of Fame
    Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980925180015.2937A-100000@short-eared.owlnet.rice.edu>

    > > Hey guys and gals. I know that some of you are big time Rush fans. I
    > > just found out that they are able to be inducted into the R&R hall of
    > > fame this year. The National Midnight Star is looking to have 250,000
    > > entries. C'mon people lets do Rush A favor and vote for an awsome
    > > Band that Truly deserves our Thanks
    >
    > Where do I vote? I would love to see my favorite Prog. Rock group in the hall
    > of fame!

    There's a web page at the NMS site explaining how to help. The exact URL
    is http://syrinx.yyz.com/HTML/rushhof.html

    Mark McEuen
    mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:24:26 -0400
    From: Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: What is WRONG with King's X?
    Message-ID: <199809260017.UAA24979@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>

    Their chord progressions. They're strange!

    Like, they'll take standard chord progressions, and do SOMETHING to them so
    they sound different. Also, the same holds true with bass lines. Take
    your typical bass line which just walks from the key note down an octave.
    King's X will play it, still eight notes, but somehow manage to make it
    sound COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

    Consequently, all of their songs sound the same. Because I don't
    understand their chord progressions/rhythm patterns/etc., it's tough for me
    to distinguish between them. So the songs all sound very similar. (They
    all sound VERY GOOD... but very similar.)

    Someone want to enlighten me on this? I don't have good enough pitch to
    tell what they're doing different.

    Also... is anyone in the Washington (D.C.) area going to the King's X show
    at Jaxx on October 7? Anyone able to give a lift to a couple of college
    Ytsejammers? (I feel like I'm in high school here... asking for an ID to
    buy cigarettes or something <g>)

    Thanks,

    Ryan

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:14:30 -0400
    From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
    To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Satriani
    Message-ID: <360C5C16.B2509536@home.com>

    Hmmmmmmmmm.............

    I'm sitting here listening to Joe Satriani (s/t) for the first time in
    quite a while. For God's sake (note: For God's sake...... NOT For the
    Love of God, so no Vai comments *chuckle*), I had ONLY remembered
    hearing all the negative comments about this disc, and had completely
    forgotton what a phenomenal blues CD this is! I know all the ugly stuff
    said about this disc is because it's so radically different than Satch's
    normal fare, but I'm willing to bet that anybody who digs blues at all
    thinks that this is a great CD!

    Ok........ that's all I have to say.

    Anybody agree/ disagree?

    Later,

    - Joe D.
      jdeangelo@home.com
      Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723)

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     Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss
     Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same
     He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall
     And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"

    - Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore)
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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:53:50 -0700
    From: Chris Oates <aspect@tinagh.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Fwd: Damn have I been busy
    Message-ID: <199809260505.AAA00175@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>

    Sorry this looks forwarded. Don't ask ... It's all me.

    >Finally just blasted through about ten jams. Work is great, as is having
    $$$, but it leaves little time for The Jam.
    >
    >Personal Update (for those who care) -- My band will be jamming with
    another bassist (our fourth attempt at finding one) tomorrow night. This
    one is actually an acquaintance of mine, so it might work out for once.
    >
    >Anyhoo, my thoughts on the Jordan thing. I haven't heard the TTT
    mentioned, but I have his solo album "Listen" and if that's his
    compositional direction, I'm glad he's not in DT. That one's just a lot of
    uninspiring keyboard-heavy pop songs with almost no excitement value, even
    to a drooling keyboardist (such as myself) Perhaps his other solo works
    are better, but I will not buy them without hearing them first.
    >
    >Once again someone asked "Why pay $$ for CD-R boots when you can get tapes
    from traders for almost nothing?" --- answer: some of us care a lot about
    sound quality. I don't care how "rare" a show is if it makes my skin crawl
    trying to hear the band over the guy farting into the concealed DAT
    microphone. CD-R boots are usually better sound quality (cause no one
    would pay for a 2 disc set of someone farting, even if it was of the night
    that the singer's hair caught on fire and the bassist sang "I'm a little
    teapot" as an encore) and the medium tends to be much less prone to
    degredation over time. At least, that's my reasons for shelling out the
    shillings.
    >
    >DS vs KM: I think Derek's a technically faster / more proficient player,
    but I like Kev's "feel" more. How's that for comparison without flames?
    >
    >Now, let's see if I can actually keep up with the jams for a while ...
    >
    > ~Chris
    >

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    Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:01:27 -0700
    From: Chris Oates <aspect@tinagh.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: crap, I gotta post again
    Message-ID: <199809260513.AAA00459@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>

    well, I don't gotta ...

    >. I will say that keyboards _is_ what's lacking in FII,
    >probably becuase it just wasn't written into the songs.

    Hm. Since the keyboards can be heard and are doing something interesting
    (unlike Awake and most of ACoS) I would have to disagree. The keys on FII
    are vast mounds better than on the previous two, and are on par with I&W ...

         ~Chris

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