YTSEJAM Digest 4298
Today's Topics:
1) Sale/Trade list...don't you guys love me?
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
2) Tangerine Dream
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
3) DT Live in Tokyo Video
by NikBrooks@aol.com
4) Petrucci vid tabs
by Bobby Tufino <slimegod@geocities.com>
5) Rush R&R Hall of Fame
by Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr>
6) Tabs John Petrucci
by "David Van Glabeke" <hawkey@skynet.be>
7) Re: Satriani YEAAAAH!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
8) Tyranny...again
by Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
9) Re: What's WRONG with King's X?
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
10) Re: Steve Vai
by Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
11) Re: Steve Vai
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
12) Eternity X and other X'es
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
13) Re: Rush in the Hall of Fame
by Ibanez506@aol.com
14) bass solo- metropolis
by Joe Marshaleck <K4HB@Maristb.MARIST.EDU>
15) Re: Yes & Genesis
by Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
16) CDRW
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
17) Re: Tyranny...again
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
18) Recording real audio
by "Christopher J. Cerminara" <cxc393@psu.edu>
19) Cds to get and not to get
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
20) FREEBIRD!!!!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: 26 Sep 1998 09:12:15 +0200
From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
To: bglist@rnl.ist.utl.pt, ytsejam@ax.com, savatage@tkl.com,
Subject: Sale/Trade list...don't you guys love me?
Message-ID: <ubn27ncpps.fsf@cerebus.local.org>
Hi everyone,
Do people get sick of seeing my for sale/trade list yet? Well as soon
as I sell everything I will stop posting it *laugh*. Anyway the
prices that are listed are without postage. I live in Germany and
would rather send to people in Europe (to save on postage) but I am
willing to send anywhere if the price is right. Please e-mail me if
you are interested in any of the following (e-mail only please, no ICQ
since I hardly ever check there), thanks.
Accept - Death Row $10
Dokken - Shadowlife $7
Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face $7
The Gathering - Mandylion (Promo Cardsleeve) $7
In the Name - In the Name $10
Killers - South American Assault - Live $7
Loudness - On the Prowl $7
Mekong Delta - Classics (CDR) $5
Pretty Maids - Spooked $7
Samiam - Capsized (Single) $3
Skyclad - Irrational Anthems (Promo) $7
Slayer - Divine Intervention $7
Stormwitch - Priest of Evil (CDR) $5
Tiamat - The Astral Sleep $8
Tiamat - Clouds $8
Tiamat - The Sleeping Beauty - Live in Israel $8
Viper Brazil - Evolution (Promo) $6
Viper Brazil - Live: Maniacs in Japan $7
Widowmaker - Blood and Bullets $9
Widowmaker - Stand by for Pain $9
Jason
-- +-------------------+----------------------------+ | Jason T. Breitweg | Home: +49 040 23 80 98 90 | | Muenzstr. 11 | Work: +49 040 89 98 31 57 | | D-20097 Hamburg | FAX: +49 040 89 98 30 92 | | GERMANY | Mobil: +49 0171 176 79 37 | +-------------------+----------------------------+ | E-mail: Jason.Breitweg@desy.de ICQ: 7495933 | | Web Site: http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg | +------------------------------------------------+------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:19:37 +0100 From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: <01bde926$6674c680$0100007f@elydian>
I read the thread on them a while back, and didn't really think much more about them until yesterday. There was a film on yesterday, Risky Business, which I first saw when I was about 5 or 6 (yeah, OK, I may not have understood it then). When I saw it then, one thing stayed with me, and that was the film score. I thought the scorer's interpretation was amazing.
Well, anyway, I turned on the TV yesterday to see the words on the screen: 'Music composed and performed by Tangerine Dream'. I immediately remembered the discussion on the Jam.
Can anyone recommend which CD to get first?
Are their CDs anything like that film score?
PLEASE REPLY BY PRIVATE E-MAIL, SINCE I AM CURRENTLY TEMPORARILY UNSUBSCRIBED.
======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 05:16:17 EDT From: NikBrooks@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Live in Tokyo Video Message-ID: <2b5e4909.360cb0e1@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/26/98 6:26:31AM, you write:
>Also is the "Live in Tokyo" video >any good?
Well worth searching out. Go for it cos it's very funny in places. Hope the new live video is as good. Mike Portnoy certainly made a good job of Tokyo ....
N
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 05:22:33 -0400 From: Bobby Tufino <slimegod@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Petrucci vid tabs Message-ID: <360CB259.89A4912@geocities.com>
I found the tabs for Rock Discipline here.
http://users.skynet.be/JohnPetrucci/webpage8.html?43,21
Hope it helps.
Bobby
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:04:41 +0300 From: Michael Zachariadis <mzahar@cc.uoa.gr> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: <360CBC39.BAB3C7E4@cc.uoa.gr>
Hi there jammers
I think that if anyone has paid a visit to this link: http://syrinx.yyz.com/HTML/rushhof.html should do so. Let's all help Rush get what they deserve, and who knows maybe some day in the long awaited future DT might get there too.
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:35:45 +0200 From: "David Van Glabeke" <hawkey@skynet.be> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tabs John Petrucci Message-ID: <000901bde939$6ac5d680$e509eec3@david>
You can find the tabs from the booklet of the Rock Discipline video on this page : www.users.skynet.be/JohnPetrucci/index.html
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:51:11 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Satriani YEAAAAH! Message-ID: <360CE33F.1F2AB456@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:14:30 -0400 > From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> > Subject: Satriani > > Hmmmmmmmmm............. > > I'm sitting here listening to Joe Satriani (s/t) for first time > in quite a while. For God's sake, I had ONLY remembered hearing > all the negative comments about this disc, and had completely > forgotton what a phenomenal blues CD this is!
Wooohooo! Finally someone who defends this album! :) Just a reason enough to bother the jam again after a while! Sorry folks, coudn't help it this time.
> Anybody agree/ disagree? > > Later, > - Joe D.
I TOTALLY agree buddy! ;)
Yep, it's true that person must like bluesy music to like this CD. And it's AWESOME
I mean c'mon, how can possibly someone compare this album woith Crystal Planet? IMHO, this is far, far worst Satriani albunm. And I really love Satriani and have albums albums! When I first heard the title (Crystal Planet) I thougth "Woow, what can this be, sounds so science-fiction!" I really expected some mind-blowing new sound from Satch. And then ... :(
I found NONE stuff in this album that can make me become really into the music. Like a cliche album done according some written Satch compositionary rules. It IS Satch sound but a lousy one.
While Joe Satriani album is so full of sounds, cool effects and tones and SO MUCH FEELING in the solos. As I would say, very tasty album! :) And it also sound SO joyful, isn't it? There's some happy mood floating all aorund this album! :) Definitely an album with which you can tap, sing, snap fingers, shout, jump ... :) It's just ... moody!
> I know all the ugly > stuff said about this disc is because it's so > radically different than Satch's normal fare, > > Ok........ that's all I have to say.
Thanks God it's so radically different than his other stuff. We don't need old Satch sound wrapped in new. We already know it AND love it! Now we expect something new. And this album seems like he did just for fun.
> but I'm willing to bet that anybody who > digs blues at all thinks that this is a great CD!
I dig blues and I'm proud to say it. BLUES RULZ! :)
And finally, no flame war intended, I just support Joe. ;)
Hear ya, CyberDuke
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:28:06 -0400 From: Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tyranny...again Message-ID: <360CEBE6.14EC903C@tiac.net>
Hey, I usually don't follow up my own reviews because I like to stick to my guns on my opinions but this is a special case. I've listened to Tyranny a few more times and I'd have to say my initial review was way off base. I maintain that Shadow Gallery stick to their basic Carved in Stone sound on this disc. However, if Carved in Stone were their WDADU, then this disc is their I&W. It's really that much better. The songs and the overall atmosphere are totally engaging. The trick to listening to this disc is to let yourself get captured by all those "cheesy" choruses and rock opera lyrics. Suddenly all that cheese turns into beautiful music if you listen to it with the right mindset. The instrumental sections are technically on a level with DT except these guys definitely have a sound of their own now after a few cds. This is probably the best prog-metal album I've gotten since I got Angra's Holy Land and Superior's Behind a couple years back. Definitely the best on Magna Carta so far and up there with the best of all time...
Adam
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:24:39 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: What's WRONG with King's X? Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980926102439.0079c100@mail.erinet.com>
> Their chord progressions. They're strange! > > Like, they'll take standard chord progressions, and do SOMETHING to them > so they sound different. Also, the same holds true with bass lines. Take > your typical bass line which just walks from the key note down an octave. > King's X will play it, still eight notes, but somehow manage to make it > sound COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
I'm not a musician, but maybe their drop-D tuning has something to do with it not sounding conventional... but then again, I don't know...
Dan
+--- ---+ Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web dantemm@erinet.com http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "He who laughs last thinks slowest" +--- ---+
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:44:51 -0700 From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Steve Vai Message-ID: <360D2813.66B5@idt.net>
> > > >Friend of mine and I are having a bit of a musical trivia argument. > >Perhaps there's somebody out there who could shed light on this topic: > > > >Was Steve Vai ever in Savatage and/or did he ever play with them? > > > >(BTW, I'm the one siding with "no".) > > > >Brian "Clueless / Alicia Silverstone" Henderson > > > > Don't think so!!! His previous bands include Frank Zappa and Alcatraz (with > Graham Bonnet where he replaced the departing Malmsteen). > > Anyone else???? > > N
Vai has NEVER been in Savatage, the bands he was in are Zappa, Alcatraz, David Lee Roth and Whitesnake, as well as working with Ozzy on a bunch of tracks that were eventually scrapped for Ozmosis (I believe they kept 1 track on the release). If you consider the G3 tour to be a band, then he was in that too, but never Savatage.
John DiBella President/Xanadu Records http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html
Dream Theater Tourdate Archive http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/49/DreamT.html
* Be EXCELLENT to each other! *
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:33:57 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Steve Vai Message-ID: <360d09655e1e001@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:06:06 -0700 (PDT) from Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>:
> Vai has NEVER been in Savatage, the bands he was in are Zappa, Alcatraz, > David Lee Roth and Whitesnake, as well as working with Ozzy on a bunch > of tracks that were eventually scrapped for Ozmosis (I believe they kept > 1 track on the release).
The one track they kept was 'My Little Man,' by far the worst song on that album. Nothing else is even close.
-Brian
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:45:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Eternity X and other X'es Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.03.9809261739350.31010-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Daniel Gitlin wrote:
> Hey all, > Quick question: > Do any of you have info/opinions/any knowledge whatsoever about the band > Eternity X?
Well, they're a band, they have some albums, of which The Edge is definitaly worth checking out... They call themselves 'Beyond Progressive', although I think it's dumb when a band tries to categorize themselves... To call yourself BEYOND Progressive sounds a bit arrogant too, although The Edge still is a fine effort.
> A friend mentioned them to me, but I am unable to find any useful info on the
Try their official Homepage: www.eternity-x.com
Rogerio Brito wrote:
> You know, I've been reading the Jam for some time now and I've > seen many, many bands mentioned here every day. But one thing caught my > attention: why are there so many bands obsessed to have X in their names? > You know, Racer X, Symphony X, Eternity X, King's X and a lot of other > XXX's you may thing of... :-)
Hey don't forget Brand X... Phil Collins' acid-jazz hobbyband...They started all this X-thing way back in the seventies:-)
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ==============================================================================
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:51:54 EDT From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rush in the Hall of Fame Message-ID: <ac898c9e.360d1baa@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-09-26 01:25:53 EDT, you write:
<< Where do I vote? I would love to see my favorite Prog. Rock group in the hall of fame! >> You will find all the info for the Rush Hall of Fame campaign at this address http://syrinx.yyz.com/HTML/rushhof.html
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:06:59 EDT From: Joe Marshaleck <K4HB@Maristb.MARIST.EDU> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: bass solo- metropolis Message-ID: <26SEP98.15245857.0325.MUSIC@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
listen, i am a bass player, and i was wondering how john myung does his solo on metropolis. i cannot figure it out. joe
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:28:43 -0400 From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Yes & Genesis Message-ID: <199809261928.PAA13418@elwood.csh.rit.edu>
>[snip] >I was just wondering if you could give me some advice when it comes to the mus >ic of Yes and Genesis. I have listened to "Classic Yes" and "A trick of the ta >il", and I'm a big fan of 'em both! So, what should my next purchase be?
I know you said reply privatly, but I think the world needs to hear this. I think that Genesis (Gabriel era) was one of the most influential progressive bands of that time. No Genesis album before the self title (with Phil Collins) was released in the US, but you'll see Genesis or PG sited on numerous DT albums, and a lot of others. PG's mentioned on LTE as well. Granted, early Genesis' progressive music was 'pure' progressive, and didn't have that much of a metal sound to it (duh, metal wasn't around in 1969). But if you appreciate _good_ music, their albums rule. A Trick of the Tail was actually the first album produced with Collins as the lead singer, but the PG era ones are a billion times better. Phil was (is) a pop singer, and that's why when he took over, Genesis became more popular. Check out _The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_ or _Foxtrot_, great works right there.
Oh, and I just picked up LTE, and it lives up to the hype. Really.
-davek
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:31:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CDRW Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980926153052.24977B-100000@espy>
could anyone let me know (in private) which brands are the best when it comes to CD-RW?
Thanks!
-ponte
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:40:37 -0500 (CDT) From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Tyranny...again Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980926143231.24371A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Adam Cook wrote: [...snip...] | overall atmosphere are totally engaging. The trick to listening to this | disc is to let yourself get captured by all those "cheesy" choruses and | rock opera lyrics. Suddenly all that cheese turns into beautiful music | if you listen to it with the right mindset. The instrumental sections
cheese is cheese is cheese is still just cheese. i suppose listening w/ a cheesy mindset, one would expect the cheese and thus when the cheese happens it appears less cheesy.
| are technically on a level with DT except these guys definitely have a | sound of their own now after a few cds.
i concur. the instrumental parts are listenable, even good. i'm sorry. i have taste. i can't get past the lyircs and vocals.
anyone wanna buy/trade my Savatage Dead Winter Dead?
-- john jens + jjens@webzone.net + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:00:43 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Cerminara" <cxc393@psu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Recording real audio Message-ID: <199809262105.RAA61124@f04n07.cac.psu.edu>
Does anyone out there know how to go about capturing real audio on disk. Live concerts.com have two fo my favorite 80s matal bands, Slaughter anf Firehouse, playing on Wednesday night, and I'd like to hang on to it. If anyone has any info, please let me know. Thanks.
Chris
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:21:29 -0500 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Cds to get and not to get Message-ID: <199809262135.OAA09939@odin.ax.com>
All I can say is "WOW!" I just got Royal Hunt's Moving Target album. Damn this is some of the best shit I have heard in quite a while. This is one of the best neo-classical/prog-metal albums to come out in what seems like forever. All of the instuments sound really good and D.C. Cooper's voice is really good.
On the other hand I have to recommend to everyone not to get Tempest's "Turn of the Wheel." In the Magna Carta catalog they made it sound pretty cool. "Celtic and Norwegian traditional music w/ progressive R&R. Intensity is Tempest's trademark." Well folks that couldn't be further from the truth. What it really sounds like is straight Celtic folk music raped to the point that it sounds like modern commercial bullshit. As far as the prog-rock thing goes, I found no evidence of it hear. Intensity?!? I have had more intensity taking a shit than this record claims to have musically.
Later
Thorin
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:47:46 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FREEBIRD!!!! Message-ID: <360D6101.FEAF3662@mol.com.mk>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! ';';yt9456fmp98r3tgql0-[w3l90sx98`72390(*)A&89I(&#*(%&(*&) - [hitting keyboard]
Just watched my old video tape where I have Lynyrd Skynyrd performance of Freebird on Knebworth Festival 1976! Folks, you gotta see this! What a rockin' jamming outro! I remember when me and my friend recorded this late in the night watching Headbangers Ball where they played many oldies. We literally hit our heads from the walls listening that 3 guitars jamming!!! :) Andrenaline in its purest forms.
Can't wait for that TTT/Freebird on "Once in a LIVEtime"! ;)
Sory for this un-controled rush! Hope you'll understand it! :)
Rock on, CyberDuke
NP: AC/DC - Let there be rock
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