YTSEJAM Digest 4305
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DREAM THEATER EXPOSED!!!!
by "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
2) Re: Vai's Projects
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
3) Guitar Mag of the Millenium
by Calvin6S@aol.com
4) Satch (s/t), SG Tyranny, my long lost brother!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) CD-R Stuff
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@pacbell.net>
6) I wanna be like Ug.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) Devin Townsend's Ocean Machine CD
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
8) Jordan Rudess/LTE2
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
9) Generation X
by Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
10) Song of the millennium!?
by "The Oysterman" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
11) Madam X & CDs
by Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
12) "Hey Hey Hey, Hah.....Heh haaaaaaaaaaayuuuughghgghghghghgh...EXCELLENT!
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
13) Song of the Millennium
by Nick Storr <nstorr@ozemail.com.au>
14) Back from Hurricane "leave"
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Testing (duh)
by Fake Skadz <skadz@yahoo.com>
16) Vanden Plas Recommendations
by "OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS" <kingofswing@hol.fr>
17) Re: A look in the future!
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:16:52 -0400
From: "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER EXPOSED!!!!
Message-ID: <000c01bdeb5f$fd6de4a0$ebc97ad1@artoo-detoo>
Whoa! Hey! You managed to succeed in getting a DT song played at a High
School dance! NOW we're making some real prog - gress! It should be only a
matter of days before major concert venues like Madison Square Garden start
calling and demanding that DT headline a show. Fantastic! "Hollow Years"
could be the next "Never Say Goodbye" or "Open Arms"! For your heroic and
self-less deed of propelling DT's music to new heights of fame and glory, I
hearby dub you King of the 'Jam.
:)
CF
>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:50:50 PDT
>From: "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: DREAM THEATER EXPOSED!!!!
>Message-ID: <19980928215051.3287.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Hello,
>I'm a senior at Milford High School and I had a dance last Saturday. A
>friend and I had plan. He brought his FII CD (mine's lent out) and I
>just happened to know the DJ. I'm like "Can you play track four for me?
>It's a slow song and there are no swears." He said he'd see what he
>could do. So I bugged him and he said he would play it at 10:30 and low
>and behold he DID!!!!! DT AT A SCHOOL DANCE!!!!!!! #$!@ YEAH!!!!
>Everybody liked it too. Everyone was like "Hmm who was that? That
>kicked ass!" It ruled. Yes you can crown me your king now. And for
>those of you whom are forgetful, track 4 on FII is Hollow Years.
>
>Wild Bill
>
>"A daily dose of eMpTV will flush your mind right down the drain."
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:41:23 -0500
From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Vai's Projects
Message-ID: <l03130300b23614f4e263@[128.83.254.86]>
let's not forget the group of kiddie shredders Vai produced, called like
Bad 4 Good or some godaweful name like that! they were all like 14 or 15
when Vai produced them.
James C. Shields
Undergraduate
University of Texas at Austin
Undeclared in Liberal Arts and Proud of it!
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Spread before you is your soul
So forever hold the dreams within our hearts
Through Nature's inflexible grace
I'm Learning to Live
Dream Theater "Learning to Live"
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:24:34 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Mag of the Millenium
Message-ID: <ba852875.36106f12@aol.com>
> What's the best guitar mag out there?
Hands Down - Young Guitar from Japan (Shinko)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:29:14 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>, cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com
Subject: Satch (s/t), SG Tyranny, my long lost brother!
Message-ID: <36107E3A.46456EB5@home.com>
TWO thousand monkeys in D-Man's basement typed:
> A thousand monkeys in Joe DeAngelo's basement typed:
Hey! At least there's only ONE thousand monkeys in my basement...... so
there!
> > Okay...... so that's officially TWO of us who love it....... and 1398
> > who hate it!? ;-)
>
> Call it three. I love Satch's self-titled album.
D-Man, you're cool.
> Maybe it's because I'm not a guitar player,
Another non-shredding jammer? I thought I was the only one! (although
I did buy that guitar, and am searching for the time to take those
#%$#@*$ lessons). Oh, D-Man, have I mentioned that you're cool?
> P.S. Tyranny kicks a whole lot of ass, too. A more detailed review
> will follow if I ever get around to it.
Geez, D-Man, are we twins? (I agree 100% about Tyranny, BTW)
Hmmm...... If you say that you also like Savatage, Symphony X, Spock's
Beard, and VH - I just might be in love! J/K by the way (about the 'in
love' thing..... NOT the cool thing!)
--- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723)
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:22:34 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@pacbell.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CD-R Stuff Message-ID: <002701bdeb71$991ba700$f507aace@default>
Rogerio very informatively wrote (concerning audio extraction on live discs): >My drive had this problem until I upgraded its firmware -- if your >drive doesn't have upgradable memory and you notice these extraction >problems, then you're stuck.
My drive had this problem while I was using Adaptec's Easy CD Creator. Apparently the problem can be "fixed" by more intelligent software. The program I am now using is CDRWIN (www.goldenhawk.com). It solved the problem. Check out section 4-19 of the CDR FAQ for more details on the cause of this problem (a variable length pre-gap).
>if they differ, then your drive isn't that good to >copy audio at the speed you tried; try extracting audio at lower speeds.
Another thing to try is enabling "jitter correction" if you have the optioin in your extraction software. Check section 2-15 of the CDR FAQ for more details on this problem..
jam on, -Neil.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:25:48 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I wanna be like Ug. Message-ID: <01bdeb71$ff7918c0$270d84d0@korgx3>
>let's not forget the group of kiddie shredders Vai produced, called like >Bad 4 Good or some godaweful name like that! they were all like 14 or 15 >when Vai produced them.
Ah... The infamous Bad 4 Good. They weren't that bad for their time though. My friends really liked 'em alot. I never could listen to them the same after seeing Danny Cooksey play Bobby Budnick on Salute Your Shorts. Donkeylips was my hero. Oh, God, I've said too much already. :P
Hey, at lease I didn't watch 'Hey, Dude.' Well not that much.
Awful waffle! Awful waffle! -- KorgX3 NP: The Cure - Disintigration
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Devin Townsend's Ocean Machine CD Message-ID: <199809290722.AA03495@crl.crl.com>
Someone earlier asked for a review of this CD, which btw is called BIOMECH. Here comes one.
This CD is tied (with LTE and Superior's YOUnique) in 1st place for CDs I've bought so far this year. The CD is quite diverse stylistically and features a lot of kewl production work (background voices in parts, tastefully-used samples, etc.) Devin self-produced this CD and played guitar and keys on it as well as voice. --And what a voice! We all know Devin's one of the best screamers alive today (check out Strapping Young Lad if you dare), but on this CD he tones down and his vocals range from soft and exquisite to hard and incredibly emotional -- but never grate on my ears.
I've been playing "Regulator," track 9 from BIOMECH, regularly on WREK-FM here in Atlanta as part of our weekly mmmmmetal show, WREKage (10 pm - 2 am Fri-Sat) as well as during my Ytseradio shows at midnight Sunday and Tuesday. By far the reactions have been sharply positive. WREKage itself is a show where the lightest thing we might play on a normal evening is, say, Fear Factory or Slayer -- and yet we continue to get phone calls after we play "Regulator" wondering who the band was, where the CD can be obtained, etc. I've lost track of the number of my friends who have heard this and expressed their appreciation (one was dragging his friends up to our hotel room at Dragon*Con and playing them the CD on my boombox).
"Regulator" is the hardest song overall on BIOMECH, but it isn't my single favorite. Songs like "Funeral," written by Devin for a friend who died and with a kewl groove beat, are also up there, as well as "The Death of Music" (soft, but with incredibly emotive vocals), "Seventh Wave," "Sister" (very nice guitar/keys combo), etc.
You asked if this is progressive. -I- think it's prog, but not the wank-fest type of prog. Rather, the diversity of styles from one man's vision gives it prog status. Devin self-financed this gem with $60,000 of his own money ("Hmm, buy a house, or make a CD? Buy a house or make a CD? --Trailers are okay to live in....") which, to me, makes the CD extra-special.
I'd offer to buy back the CD from anyone who bought it based on this recommendation and didn't like it, but I'm not even sure where you can get it in the first place. I got my copy through Matt "M-Bone" Schnoor on the #ytsejam channel. Devin's private label is HevyDevy Records and their website is, I think, htp://members.home.net/hevydevy. Email address is hevydevy@home.com (but they're having problems with it right now).
Well, anyway, that's my 'short' review. :)
-- Sometimes a view from sinless eyes / Centers our perspective Paul W. Cashman And pacifies our cries / Sometimes the anguish we survive vanyel@crl.com And the mysteries we nurture / Are the fabrics of our lives ICQ# 4151223 "Lines in the Sand," Dream Theater - FALLING INTO INFINITY www.crl.com/~vanyel
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:29:50 -0700 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jordan Rudess/LTE2 Message-ID: <008601bdeb7a$f3735000$88a4d6d0@multimedia>
Yo people:
Hung out with Jordan Rudess over the weekend. He played me some snippets of his ideas for LTE2. One piece sounded in the vein of 'Metropolis'. Sick stuff man. I hope it ends up on the CD! It definately is something to look forward to. They will be going to the same studio they recorded in before very soon. Will put up pics on my page when i can.
peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com mail@jamesthorpe.com
"Hang on to the fever that burns inside of you. Don't look for lost treasure, won't find it here."
'This Time Around' --Dali's Dilemma-- Manifesto for Futurism
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:50:54 +0100 From: Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Generation X Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F8438CA6A@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Hiya,
yeah, I'd forgotten about them. The fantastic and late lamented Wendy O. Williams (also of the Plasmatics) was a member of this punk outfit.
Cheers,
Rhys
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:04:54 -0700 From: "The Oysterman" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Song of the millennium!? Message-ID: <LMBNIHLPBDNBCAAA@mailcity.com>
Greetings, people.
I happened to see a man, disappointed over the fact that ACOS only has 471 points or whatever, when there is 3600 points to be given from the jammers.
Well, I have mixed feelings for this guy... I mean, is he trying to force us to like ACOS better than any song on the planet? Adolf Hitler revival?
I live in a democracy, and I have learned that one should be honest in how one vote - always pushing your *own* opinion forward, not just follow everyone else. I would NEVER give ACOS my vote just because it's DT and there's an organization behind giving the song a big score. NEVER. I am against this kind of organized voting, for it is not clear that how you're told to vote represents your own opinion, right?
So, I refuse to vote "just because". But, I tell you, I would not give ACOS 3 points, not even 2, not even 1 single point, even if this wasn't organized - because I don't like ACOS. Definitely NOT my song of the millennium. Not even my favourite DT song. Far from.
If you don't like ACOS best of all, don't vote for it - you'll lie, and the whole survey is useless (although I guess it's ruined already). On the other hand, if you DO have ACOS as your song of the millennium, don't dare to hesitate - go vote for it!
Why would you care,
the O
Get your FREE E-mail at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:34:22 +0100 From: Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Madam X & CDs Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F8438CA7A@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Hiya Nikki,
owaroo mush ? I remember those good ole days of ECT followed quickly by the Tube. And Rock School ! Wow, I can still remember the corny drummer doing his paradiddles ;-)
Enough of the reminiscing, anybody (Roger B. ?) have any recommendations for software to copy 'live' CDs. I'm using Gear at the moment and it puts the two second gap in between tracks which sort of defeats the object. I've picked up a few demos - Nero, CDRWin - any recommendations ?
Cheers,
Rhys
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:24:02 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Yts <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "Hey Hey Hey, Hah.....Heh haaaaaaaaaaayuuuughghgghghghghgh...EXCELLENT! Message-ID: <3610D162.5EA9@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> > - LTE 2 will be done in about 10 days (or else it would be a triple CD! > > :). They want to remain the same "fresh" and natural sound of the first > > record, and there may be another improvised jam in the vein of "Three > > Minute Warning" . > > What's that stuff "triple CD"? ;) Huh, I wish! Gosh can't wait for it! > If it'll be done in 10 days, is the release date avalibale???
Just be on the lookout for posts about how lame, repetative and uninspired Rudess's's's'' playing is, then you'll know it's been released :)
What's amazing is how one can criticize apart a (any) performance, without taking into account how little time was spent together jamming (let alone the amount of time the CD was produced in). I can only imagine this one being better than the first release.
Questions: On "Chris and Kevin's Excellent Adventure," is it Tony trying to count out the beat? Is Mike laughing at him? Did they invite Myung in to do the whistling? How many arms does Mike have, again? :)
NP: LTE -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:18:08 +1000 From: Nick Storr <nstorr@ozemail.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Song of the Millennium Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980929231756.006865ac@ozemail.com.au>
Well, just voted for ACOS... but I have a question....
How do Garth Brooks, Bryan Adams, bloody HANSON, A-Ha and others get on the list before the Beatles?!?!?!
Some people are just crazy...
BTW: Feel free to read this as "Some people have opinions that, while different to my own, are entirely valid and have my greatest respect and admiration" if it will avoid an irate reply, even though It's not really what I meant...
Leave me alone, I'm tired! :)
Nick
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:45:04 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Back from Hurricane "leave" Message-ID: <3610E45B.637994B1@caribe.net>
Hi, maybe some of you noticed how i didnt post anything for a whole week , well Puerto Rico was hit by Hurricane Georges ( now approaching southern USA, and was severely damaged by it...I consider myself lucky, since i didnt loose anything, but power and water for a week.... My thoughts are now with the jammers on the path of this thing..
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:13:59 -0400 From: Fake Skadz <skadz@yahoo.com> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Testing (duh) Message-ID: <199809291513.LAA20289@wicked.stigmata.org>
Just testing, don't mind me
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:11:42 +0200 From: "OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS" <kingofswing@hol.fr> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Vanden Plas Recommendations Message-ID: <014701bdebbb$8c3d9620$342a9ac3@mr.mouro>
Yeah, I completely agree with Lisa Marie. The best place to start with Vanden Plas (especially if you're into prog) is "the god thing", as IMO it is one of the best prog/metal CDs of the last 5 years. "Color temple" is also very good, but very different, as it is closer to AOR metal albeit several prog touches. Yet such VP classics as "father" and "how many tears" are there. Also, there is an acoustic album "accust", with remakes of "color temple" songs + covers, and it's very good too. To summarize, my VP prefference list goes as follows: - The God Thing - Accust - Color Temple. For "the god thing" try looking at impulse records. Last time I checked they've had for a rather reasonable price. For the other two, I would suggest looking in European online stores, such CDEurope, as they will most likely be cheaper there. That's it; hope that helps, Felix.
OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/9326/oan.htm
>------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:01:44 -0700 >From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Re: Vanden Plas >Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980928210119.00b0883c@postoffice.pacbell.net> > > >At 09:02 PM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >> >>Is there anywhere I can get reasonably priced Vanden Plas CDs? Music >>Boulevard has "Colour Temple", but it's almost $30! > >Try http://www.pendragonusa.com >Dave Mulloy is very reliable. > >>Also, which album is best to start with? > >I recommend "The God Thing". > > >Lisa Marie "Jessie" >ytsegirl@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl >_________________________________________ >Thoughts - The Spock's Beard Mailing List >http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:15:05 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A look in the future! Message-ID: <v01510102b2368718b643@[194.7.145.66]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, CyberDuke wrote:
>But the question is will the future technology be able to read all this >stuff and have the ability to edit them. >I know that one of the biggest problems in the fast progress of computer >technology is making the new stuff compatible with the older ones.
I don't see this as a problem. The newer computers come with a DVD-player as standard, and DVD-players can read audio cd's without any problem. The real problem lies with the software. For example, Microsoft has a habit of releasing software that won't be compatible with the next upgrade of their own operating system. A lot of stuff that was re-written for Win95 won't be able to run on Win98, so it has to be re-written again, meaning everyone who bought the Win95 version who's upgraded his system to Win98 can now go out and buy the new Win98 version when it's released. Ever wonder how old Bill got to be so fuckin' rich?
>Otherwise much money is wasted. Similar to the problem of US standard of >video signal. I heard that it's definitely weaker than European but >replacing all your VCRs would cost ALOT and so it just stays the same >(don't know for sure, don't jump in my trout for this!)
Money is meant to be wasted :^) Seriously, yes the NTSC signal is weaker than PAL or SECAM, but some videos have multi-system capability, so even that shouldn't be a problem. Then again, DVD will replace VCR's as we know them, and it won't take as long as it did for CD-players to replace turntables. I mean, look at the possibilities (went to a demo of some Compaq machines with built-in DVD yesterday, so this stuff is still fresh in my memory), DVD can hold 4 straight hours of video, along with sound, and speech in ten languages, including subtitles. This also cuts down production costs, because now they can release the same disc in about twenty different countries, where the user selects what language he/she wants to hear, or if he/she wants subtitles or not.
>But for the future humanity definitely must find a way to globalize >things, make them according one single standard. Otherwise we can't talk >about unification, right?
See above for technical details, we're getting there. Now, getting people to unify, that's a whole different story. Personally, I don't think it'll ever happen, there's just too much of a "me me me" attitude among people, like it has always been. And I'm not even sure if I like that idea. Think about it, if Hanson and the Spice Girls were prog, what would we DT fans have to bitch and moan about? 8-)
>Do you think that in year 2020 all homes will have music players on >which you can play your present (let's say) "Awake" CD??? The question >expands on all possible information storage devices/keepers: RealAudio, >WAVs, DOCs, HTMLs... you name it!
In the year 2020 we won't need computers at home, we'll have a chip in our head which will let us connect directly to online sources, with immediate access to any kind of info we need, be it music, documents or whatever. Haven't you read ANY of William Gibson's books? 8-)
>I sincerely expect interesting thoughts/comments on this one! Don't let >me down. :)
Hope I didn't.
FiveNgroK
CP: Platypus - When Pus Comes To Shove
********************************************** Those who can, do. Those who can't, become critics.
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