YTSEJAM Digest 4836
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Enchant - Break ?
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
2) Re: Enchant - Break ?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) Prog bands
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
4) Re: Q2K, Power Of Omens
by James Lutz <ytsejim@optonline.net>
5) Re: Rockfest '99 in Kansas City, Kansas
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
6) Re: Enchant - Break ?
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
7) Re: Prog bands
by JamesAhab@aol.com
8) Symphony X
by JamesAhab@aol.com
9) Nightwish - Angels Fall First - FOR SALE
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
10) Rudess & Morgentein Key/Drum Clinic - Schenectady, NY
by MTeiper@aol.com
11) Re: Conception-Last Sunset
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
12) Could I have some mustard with my crow?
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) KorgXXX
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
14) vinnie moore/msg
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
15) LTE2 audio clips
by Graham Borland <graham@epage.ltd.uk>
16) LTE2 sound clips
by O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
17) Audio gear thoughts from the ProGtologist
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
18) Re: Chroma Key demos CD available soon!
by "J?rgen C. Bakken" <easy2beat@hotmail.com>
19) I need some help from Ibanez owners, please.
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
20) Re: From the President
by Ben.Sorensen@stpaul.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:37:33 -0700
From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: Enchant - Break ?
Message-ID: <000c01be9280$1ceb3b80$046400c0@oemcomputer>
Well, I think Break is pretty mellow compared to the other Enchant CDs. I'd
personally recommend either "A Blueprint Of The World" or "Time Lost". The
second one is songs that were left off the band's first two CDs, and often
the songs on here are just as good (or better) than the ones they ended up
using.
My opinion of the band is that they're one of my favorites. I like all their
CDs, though I'd love to see a remaster of the first one, as the production
could be better. They are also an awesome live band. I recommend all their
CDs, though I wouldn't start out with Break. Hope this was helpful.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet
Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming
tools and more!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:21:39 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Enchant - Break ?
Message-ID: <002101be9286$60d99de0$0201010a@chuck>
>CDs, though I wouldn't start out with Break. Hope this was helpful.
And I have to disagree as I think Break is their best album so far. It's
very mature compared to their last three releases. If you like something
heavier than Surrounded on Break, though, Wounded is the heaviest of their
albums. It is more guitar oriented. And ABotW is their most proggish.
Break is just a great mature album that, to me, feels as refreshing as
listening to any Rush album, like Roll the Bones or Hold Your Fire.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
-- KorgX3 reprograms his socks. NP: Frank Zappa - Joe's Garage------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:21:09 +0300 From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Prog bands Message-ID: <199904292138.AAA20831@nefeli.forthnet.gr>
Damon Fibraio: >so can anybody recommend a good prog or prog metal >band with some great keyboard stuff and point me to an mp3 of theirs?
Check out Threshold, their 2nd album Psychedelicatessen is really good and has some cool keyboard stuff (don't expect anything amazing though). Artension are good also, though I would't call them prog; more of a technical power metal group. BTW, anybody know anything about Soul Cages? Haven't heard anything about them for quite a long time.
>I hope they do produce something different, and not follow the grunge thing.
They didn't do that when grunge was popular, why they'd do it now?
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:17:11 -0400 From: James Lutz <ytsejim@optonline.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Q2K, Power Of Omens Message-ID: <3728E877.8C23A70B@optonline.net>
QUEENSRYCHE
>> Im not sure what you people are expecting, but I attended the fan club show >> back in January and the new material is nothing like their last CD. They >> played five new tracks...
> I agree ! I heard three of the songs and like them a lot.... > Knock it when you've heard it, not before....
Ok, I've heard it...Now may i Knock? I listened to the 3 demos floating around and they sound very similar to HITNF. The same distorted, grungy guitar sounds...the very short and simplified solos, the lower octave geoff tate...can someone tell me how it is NOT similar? I'm beggin ya, please...
POWER OF OMENS
I have had a tape of theirs for over a year. Now if your looking for a band that plays like Dream Theater and has Geoff Tate singing, THIS is the band for you... The only problem with it? The music is complicated for the sake of being complicated. It's very hard to get into it. Its not the kind of music you sing along to, it's more so the music to marvel at and say "Boy, these guys are talented."
> Oh, Power Of Omens is supposed to play at Powermad this year. Those who > attended Powermad last year know what to think of proposed band line-ups,
We certainly do :) I heard Symphony X will be playing this year again....
later ~YtseJim http://members.aol.com/ytsejim37/mp3server.htm
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: A Change Of Seasons <dreamtheater@cjnetworks.com> Subject: Re: Rockfest '99 in Kansas City, Kansas Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9904292055380.16131-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> I have a huge question and if Mike P. would confirm this, I would be > most grateful. But there is a rumor flying that DT will play Rockfest > in Kansas City, Kansas in late May. If Syrinx, Itchy, or even Mike > himself could confirm this, I would be out buying tickets faster > than.... well, you get the idea.
I don't know anything about it.
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Jonas Opsal <jonasops@online.no> Subject: Re: Enchant - Break ? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9904292057470.16131-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> I have heard Surrounded of off "Break", and I was wondering how the rest = > of the songs on the album are compared to that song. Is Surrounded very = > soft compared to the rest or can I expect more music like that if I buy = > the album? Also, what's everyone opinion on this album and/or the group? =
In _this_ humble man's opinion, Break was the best album of 1998. There's not a bad track on the album. If you like Enchant's style, it's a fucking amazing disc. Definatly one I'd purchase.
- mike.
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:42:34 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Prog bands Message-ID: <1efab7ce.245a648a@aol.com>
>< BTW, anybody know anything about Soul Cages? Haven't heard anything about them for quite a long time. ><
I've been thinking of getting one of their albums. All I know is that they have two, one self-titled and one called Moments.
Jim
NP - DT: WDATU
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:47:52 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Symphony X Message-ID: <df061dc.245a65c8@aol.com>
Does anyone know the Symphony X home page, if one exists, or just the best place to get info?
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:24:07 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Nightwish - Angels Fall First - FOR SALE Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809388@messaging>
I have a copy of Nightwish's "Angels Fall First" that has never been played (it came with no shrink wrap, but the CD has not left the case). I got it for $24, and will sell it to the person who makes the first reasonable offer + $3.20 US Priority mail shipping (international extra). E-mail me offers!!!
This is an amazing CD in absolutely perfect condition!
David Dixon ytsedave@asu.edu david@iisweb.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:25:58 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Rudess & Morgentein Key/Drum Clinic - Schenectady, NY Message-ID: <5fc18994.245a6eb6@aol.com>
Hey all -
I just found this out about an hour ago. I figured some of you would like to know:
Jordan Rudess and Rod Morgenstein are performing a keyboard and drum clinic at the Schenectady, NY Ramada Inn on Wednesday, May 26 at 7:00 PM. Free Admission! Sponsored by Drome Sound.
WooHoo!! Like the Taco Bell dog sez, "I am there!!" :-) I also can't WAIT until the JP/MP clinic in Colonie, NY on May 18. Damn, the area hasn't seen the band as a whole since 1993, but the dudes sure like coming upstate here for clinics! I've already seen JP and MP separately a few years back, and then I saw MP again in Colonie a little while back.
In regards to the QR issue, I don't think that Q2K is all that bad of a title, personally. I rather like it. I just hope the album as a whole is better than HITNF. Although, in a live setting, I really came to appreciate a few of the tunes off of their last album to the point where I really like them a lot (like The Voice Inside, You, Reach, Some People Fly). Plus there were a couple I always liked a lot that they didn't play on tour like Cuckoo's Nest and Sp00l. Unfortunately, I thought the rest of the album was really weak, with a couple of tunes being absolute duds. The review of the new album has me very optimistic however, and QR has always been one of my alltime faves, so we'll see. Just my 2 cents anyway...
Back to lurk mode I go... Matt T.
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:32:48 -0400 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Conception-Last Sunset Message-ID: <4.1.19990429233010.0096a2b0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Wilmo wrote: >A few jams ago someone mentioned they had just gotten the above CD to = >round out their collection. For me, that is the only one I don't have and = >as yet have not been able to get a review of this CD. I've been considering= > getting it but would like to know how it rates against the others. So, = >I'm asking you to email me with your opinion/review of this so I can make = >a decision.
That would be me. It's a good disc, of course. Has Roy Khan and Tore Ostby, so yes, it cannot suck. :) It's more crunchy and less prog than the other discs, and the production is a bit rawer, but it's still worth getting. The track "Bowed Down With Sorrow" is lovely, as is the 10-minute "Among the Gods".
> Actually, considering the quality of the rest of their catalog, I don't = >see how this could suck. BTW, for you Norwegian jammers, any word on what = >Tore 0stby is doing now? Like, maybe starting another band (I hope)... I = >miss these guys...
I'm hoping against hope that he'll start a band with D.C. Cooper, now that D.C.'s out of Royal Hunt. They worked GREAT together on D.C.'s solo disc, according to reports.
ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com Official Glass Hammer website: http://www.glasshammer.com/ "Music expresses that which can not be said and on which it is impossible to be silent." -- Victor Hugo
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:32:49 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Could I have some mustard with my crow? Message-ID: <37294E91.2385BF9@isd.net>
I fucked up... I'm really sorry for jumping down Toneadd9's throat. I've been more than a little confrontational the last few days and managed to let it carry over to the Jam. I was in the wrong mood when I read and replied to that post. (No excuse, I know)
For those of you that did not see the original post on my speaker project, I'll do my best to keep the explanation brief.
A few months back I decided to start building another very high quality set of speakers. The original plan was to build the woofer/sub woofer in one cabinet, and the midrange and tweeter in another. Now that they are up and running, the plan has changed. I'm so impressed with their performance that I've now chosen to incorporate them in my main speaker array and put the JBL Pro 12's out to pasture. Actually, I'll probably build a set of speakers for my son using the JBL drivers. If you have not been to my site since 5:00 AM CDT 4-29-99 you have not seen the latest updates and project plans.
A project like this is very time consuming, but the rewards are priceless! Not only is it fun and rewarding, but you can build a set of high-end speakers for a fraction of the cost of the multi-thousand dollar commercial high-end products. Those of you that have looked at the pics on my site can clearly see these are in a different class than the mass produced consumer electronics shit sold at the home audio superstores.
Any one that has ever taken apart a speaker can appreciate the tremendous difference in materials and construction. Plus, It's a great feeling to be able to say to the awestruck guests: "Yup, I built them myself"
I wholeheartedly apologize to Toneadd9, and the rest of the Jammers for my unwarranted ranting. And for those of you that are legitimately interested in this project, here's the recently updated page link: http://www.isd.net/astrosch/project.html
/Al will be busy soaking his head in walrus snot...
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:49:02 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: KorgXXX Message-ID: <37296E7E.9CB7E4AD@isd.net>
OK, I'm done soaking my head. I wonder if anyone has explored the use of walrus snot as a lubricant... Between that and the other Jammer referring to KorgX3 as: "Kork," the possibilities are endless.
Joshua Rasiel wrote: >Kork belched forth:
Joshua, Don't do this to me! :)
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:53:13 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: vinnie moore/msg Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F4084@ms.kallback.com>
Wow. I just got back from the first night of Vinnie Moore's "Big Ole Can of Whoop Ass Tour 1999" . (DTC=Vinnie Moore-->Alice Cooper-->Derek Sherinian) It was awesome. He had a killer band. Bass-Barry Sparks. This guy knows his way around a 6-string. He plays on VM and MSG's new cds. Drums-Shane Gaalaas-Never heard of him, but he's great. He plays on the new VM cd. Keyboards and Guitar-Wayne Findley-He looked like a Dimbag/RobZomwannabie, but he was very good on both keys and guitar, often switching back and forth several times during a song. If you don't know, VM has a new cd on Shrapnel called "The Maze", with Tony MacAlpine on keyboards. VM was really cool. He signed my Mind's Eye cd and we talked about Derek for a minute. I got a pick. Oh, yeah, MSG played too. Same band, -VM+MS+vocalist. I like MS's solos and instrumentals, but most of his stuff is just basic 3-chord metal. (Do I sound like a prog-snob or what?) I left about half way through thier set because I was late for work and kinda bored. Anyway, if you like guitar at all you should go to this show. Check http://www.vinniemoore.com/n.html for tour dates. ~Trevor ps. Rahul, if you got 25 bones, get down to the Firehouse fri or sat night!
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:51:41 +0100 From: Graham Borland <graham@epage.ltd.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE2 audio clips Message-ID: <48fac8d1aegraham@epage.ltd.uk>
LTE2 audio clips are up at Jordan's web page:
http://www.mediusvision.com/lte/lte2_audio.html
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:01:19 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE2 sound clips Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990430120119.009c1260@mail.surffi.net>
not sure if this has been posted yet... check out http://www.mediusvision.com/lte/lte2_audio.html
op777
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:03:05 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Audio gear thoughts from the ProGtologist Message-ID: <37297FD9.6CBE0F7F@isd.net>
Greeting fellow Jamsters,
I've been told MANY times: "You're nut's to spend so much on audio gear" If anyone can understand why, it's the people on this list... I LOVE music, I have since I was a little kid. I started working part-time at a private recording studio when I was 14 years old. Once you've been exposed to high quality playback gear, it's hard to go back to a "normal" system. Here's how I justify spending the big coin:
Say you buy a new car for $15,000.00 - $25,000.00, where is it 15 years later? It's either in the scrap yard, or some kid is driving it around on the donut spare. Now add up the costs of fuel, maintenance and insurance over a 15 year period. A car is a fucking liability.
High-end audio gear retains at least 50% of it's value over a ten year period. Considering the immense reliability of quality gear, chances are the only other expense will be the electricity to power the gear.
One of my amps is an old Hafler DH-500 I purchased back in 1984! It's still worth damn near what I paid for it back then. In contrast, my dad has been through three new trucks since 84, each time trading the old one in for a fraction of the purchase price. Stupid, IMHO.
Sure we all need a reliable car, but C'mon! I'm more likely to get a clean, well maintained used car some other dork took a major loss on when he/she traded it off for a new one. With proper care and exercising a little home-brew maintenance, it should last for years before you have to take advantage of another dork trading in his/her car. BTW, the licensing and insurance is much cheaper on an older vehicle.
With this in mind, am I still nuts? I think not. If you bring in the information on the equipment value both new and used, most finance companies have no problem using the gear itself as collateral to secure the loan. For their purposes, the audio gear is more security because it retains it's value better than a car. However, if your credit is questionable they may be reluctant due to the difficulty of repossession.
If you want to see a little sample of what's out there for the buck, I'm placing a zipped Word97 document at the bottom of my music page. The doc file has prices of a nice system with imbedded pictures of the gear. Certainly there are more options, but I thought this system was the best value. Here's the link: http://www.isd.net/astrosch/stereo.zip If this doesn't work with your browser/mail client, use the link at the bottom of my music page at: http://www.isd.net/astrosch/music.html
Later... -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:23:31 PDT From: "J?rgen C. Bakken" <easy2beat@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Chroma Key demos CD available soon! Message-ID: <19990430102332.50290.qmail@hotmail.com>
<Great news for Chroma Key fans:
<A Chroma Key demos album, entitled "This Is A Recording (demos <1995-97)" will be released on May 26th, 1999... The album will <contain 15 tracks and includes all the lyrics.
<Kevin Moore will begin taking pre-orders in about week but the <artwork and tracklisting are already available on the site:
<http://www.chromakey.com/ It seems to me that good ol' Kevin has become what he hated, selling everything he has taped for one album, he is doing now what any other record company is doing with, say Lennon, now a days. Except, and some peoople think this is a good thing. Kevin gets all the money. Good thing. Lennon isn't. Bad thing. Yoko Ono ins't. Bad thing? That's all for this time. Tune in again in about 40 mails. Digests that is.
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:08:05 GMT From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: "Caught In a Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: I need some help from Ibanez owners, please. Message-ID: <574F522FE@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
Hey folks,
After years of shunning my toy Ibanez RG270 for a Les Paul, I've decided it's finally time to upgrade. So here's the deal: I've got 500 quid, so I can either get an RG470, and replace the pickups with a couple of nice DiMarzios, or get an RG507 and keep the stock pickups until I can afford another stlg100-or-so. So my question is: the whiney bar. The 470 has a lo-TRS trem, while the 507 has - I think - the lo-pro Edge. Is the 507 worth the extra money just for the trem, or is the lo-TRS perfectly good (bear in mind I'm used to a Les Paul, and thus the trem doesn't have to take Vai levels of abuse, although it would be cool). Any help anyone can offer is muchly appreciated.
Si ------------------------------------------------------ "Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying" - John Petrucci, "Lines In The Sand" Petruccifa@DreamTheater.zzn.com Lord_Ibanez@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:08:23 -0500 From: Ben.Sorensen@stpaul.com To: Josh Brand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: From the President Message-ID: <86256763.004DC9F7.00@astpls86.stpaul.com>
He even wrote in complete paragraphs, sometimes.
Motivation is important.
Work hard in school; you need to do well.
My cats breath smells like cat food.
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