YTSEJAM Digest 4802
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
2) concept album endings
by "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu>
3) once in a blue moon?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
4) Re: LTL-bass
by "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
5) Boston Clinix
by "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
6) I had a Jerry Maguire vision...
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
7) Re: LTL-bass
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
8) Looking for musicians?
by "Giannis Vidiadakis" <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
9) Re: I had a Jerry Maguire vision...
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
10) Re: Ozric Tentacles tour; Godhead
by rbrito@iname.com
11) HELP: Need Poughkeepsie ticket stub
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
12) Re: APSOG and Derek, Kevin, and Jordan
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
13) Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
14) Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
by Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
15) Re: I had a Jerry Maguire vision...
by Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
16) Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
17) Re: APSOG and Derek, Kevin, and Jordan
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
18) Re: APSOG and Derek, Kevin, and Jordan
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
19) Concert Last Night
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
20) Ozric Tentacles Tour!!
by dhp <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:26:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990413102022.22345A-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
Man, there are a shitload.....some of the top of my head could be, from an
80's/early 90's standpoint:
High Enough - Damn Yankees
That one by Saigon Kick, damn I can't remember the name of it.
I Remember You - Skid Row
In a Darkened Room - Skid Row
Quicksand Jesus - Skid Row
Is This Love - Whitesnake
I Saw Red - Warrant
The other one on the Cherry Pie album
Dallabnikufesin (N.F.B.) Anthrax (off of Killer B's) - my personal fave
Every Rose Has Its Thorn - Poison
etc., etc., ad infinitum.....
Actually, I think there's a double CD set called Rock Ballads out there.
Watch TV at around 2 in the morning, and the commercial is bound to come
up.......
On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Mark Philpot wrote:
>
> Heh Jam,
>
> Are they're any recommendations for good Power Ballads (either rock ballads
> or metal/prog ballads)... Songs like...
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balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:59:35 -0500
From: "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: concept album endings
Message-ID: <86256752.0051C0DA.00@domino.cdr.wisc.edu>
The Sacred Bovine wrote:
> then starts up with Gary Numan's Cars :). anyways, i'm now addicted to
> these type of, well basically, outros. Can anyone suggest any other CDs
> that have this type of thing? It would help if the rest of the CD is
cool,
> too :) for example, i haven't heard QR's O:M. does this cd do that?
> if so that might be another incentive to finally get me to go buy
> it :) thanks. moo.
>
O:M ends with Eyes of A Stranger which is definitely not a soft, melodic
song, but does kick a lot of ass and is an awesome finale for the album.
Sort of brings the story full circle. Try anything by Savatage. Pretty
much all their albums are concept albums, and they generally end with
killer ballads. You might like Tyranny by Shadow Gallery as well.
Biz
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:11:54 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: once in a blue moon?
Message-ID: <19990413151155.47643.qmail@hotmail.com>
Mads threw in a line about how:
> I know that the shop that does it for me only has to fix it once in
> a blue moon....
wow, you mean that you've had to take it in to the shop twice this
year already? :)
about the latest scientific theories on the DT keyboard
position....Jordan as a happy medium between Kevin and
Derek.....hmmm, maybe it's like a pendulum, on one hand you had the
too moody guy, then you got the too rock and roll personified guy,
now you got Jordan Rudess, and maybe five more keyboardists down the
road, Dream Theater will end up with the perfect guy for that spot in
this particular band......
of course, five keyboardist changes down the road Melody's and Max's
and Kiara's (that's petrucci's kid's name, right?) kids will just
about be ready to step into their grandparent's places in what will
at that time be the rock band with the most longevity ever, having
just passed the stunning 62 year mark achieved first by the Rolling
Stones......
it could happen
or not
partha
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:43:31 -0300
From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTL-bass
Message-ID: <37136623.CCE290F9@uol.com.br>
> i just wanted to ask if some of you bass players could give me a clue on what
> JM is playing from 8:20-9:20 in LTL. He somehow copies the left hand of the
> keyboard adding some other cool stuff. I checked the bass-tab on UACM but it
> somehow doesn't fit.
> I would be very thankful, if you could at least give me a rough idea.
> Otherwise I'll have to listen it out myself *sigh*.
>
> Adrian
The problem with this part is that John Petrucci is soloing so loud
that is almost impossible to hear John Myung's bass. I know what you
mean, but I'll give it a second try...
I think that's the only part in I&W that I don't really know what he's
doing besides the 4:30-4:43 part of Metropolis. That one is tapping
mistery...
[]'s
Cassiano
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:51:55 PDT
From: "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: bostonjam@dreamt.org
Subject: Boston Clinix
Message-ID: <19990413155155.60748.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi,
Can anyone give me the exact dates for the upcoming JP/MP clinics in
Boston? I know its already been posted but i forgot =(. Thx
"Wild" Bill
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:07:12 -0400
From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: I had a Jerry Maguire vision...
Message-ID: <000c01be85c7$b24672a0$a9723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
Hey all...
I don't know what it was... but I stepped out of the shower.. and it hit
me... No.. it wasn't the plans for the flux capacitor... but why Derek is no
longer in Dream Theater and why he wasn't upset about it.
Its so simple. The DS/Dream Theater split was amicable on both parts
because Derek was looking to become more popular and wasn't truly used to
working with a band as well, low key as DT. Derek was used to playing with
KISS and AC etc... DT wasn't used to playing with someone whose intrests
include Elton John. So, when the opportunity to have Jordan finally join
the band came along.. They jumped at it. At the same time, Derek says
"Finally!" I won't feel bad about leaving. They have a replacement and I
can go off and play with another more popular act.. or in this case...finish
his solo project.
Just thought that I would share my vision.... Later, J
Jeremy Kube
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kube@nh.ultranet.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:20:46 -0700
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTL-bass
Message-ID: <3713990E.2AEBB130@caribe.net>
"Cassiano P. Barbosa" wrote:
I think that's the only part in I&W that I don't really know what he's
doing besides the 4:30-4:43 part of Metropolis. That one is tapping
mistery...
If youre talking about what i think you are ( dont have images here ) anyone
who has Myung's instructional video can make you a copy or scan you a copy of that
exact part on the booklet.. or better yet..make you a copy of the video. .. He
explains it slowly..and it doesnt seem that difficult to do with practice.
>
> []'s
> Cassiano
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:38:39 PDT
From: "Giannis Vidiadakis" <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Looking for musicians?
Message-ID: <19990413163839.69532.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey, check the prog musicians forum if you want to start or join a
band. That's also a good place for bands that need musicians.
Here's the address to the forum:
http://homex.s-one.net.sg/~progmetal/wsapb.html
All the best,
Michael
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:31:58 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: I had a Jerry Maguire vision...
Message-ID: <4.1.19990413122025.00a86c30@po7.mit.edu>
..And just like Jerry Maguire and his "vision", everyone in the
office is looking at you thinking that you are a freak. :)
DT is certainly used to playing with someone whose interests
include Elton John. Their names are Kevin Moore and John
Petrucci - have you heard of them? If you think that the Elton
John covers that are found on the A Change of Seasons EP
(the bonus Uncovered material) were there because of Derek,
think again. Dream Theater, at their only all-instrumental show
w/o a vocalist back in 1990, performed a big medley of cover
songs which was basically the frame work for the "Big Medley"
at the end of the ACOS EP. But, what was the first track they
played in their 1990 medley? That's right - Funeral For a Friend
by Elton John. So, certainly, this was not a reason for Derek's
departure.
I would go into more of the Moore/Sherinian/Rudess discussion
and throw my opinions out there why Sherinian was replaced, but
the answer seems pretty obvious. Rudess is a better fit for the
band in terms of the direction they want to go. Plain and simple.
The only thing I fear is that we'll get an album full of JP/JR
riffs that won't lend much to writing "songs". I liked the more
focused direction DT took with FII in terms of songwriting. But,
with Derek gone, that may be gone too.
-Bogie
At 09:05 AM 4/13/99 -0700, Jeremy Kube wrote:
>Hey all...
> I don't know what it was... but I stepped out of the shower.. and it hit
>me... No.. it wasn't the plans for the flux capacitor... but why Derek is no
>longer in Dream Theater and why he wasn't upset about it.
> Its so simple. The DS/Dream Theater split was amicable on both parts
>because Derek was looking to become more popular and wasn't truly used to
>working with a band as well, low key as DT. Derek was used to playing with
>KISS and AC etc... DT wasn't used to playing with someone whose intrests
>include Elton John. So, when the opportunity to have Jordan finally join
>the band came along.. They jumped at it. At the same time, Derek says
>"Finally!" I won't feel bad about leaving. They have a replacement and I
>can go off and play with another more popular act.. or in this case...finish
>his solo project.
> Just thought that I would share my vision.... Later, J
>Jeremy Kube
>inflmmbl@tiac.net
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:25:33 -0300
From: rbrito@iname.com
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Ozric Tentacles tour; Godhead
Message-ID: <19990413132533.A2606@iname.com>
On Apr 12 1999, Paul W. Cashman wrote:
> Hi, time for one of my once-a-quarter posts. (And this from someone
> who used to place in the Top 10 MFP list :))
That's nothing for someone who used to place in the top
spot. :-) Just skimming the jams. So little time, so much to study...
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:53:33 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: HELP: Need Poughkeepsie ticket stub Message-ID: <4.1.19990413125028.00a60240@po7.mit.edu>
If anyone was at the recent holiday show in Poughkeepsie at The Chance and has their ticket stub, please email me. I need it for a project I'm working on. All I need it for is to scan it in - I don't need it permanently. If you can help me out, I will repay you somehow. :)
Anyways, someone puh-lease contact me!!!
Thanks, Bogie
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:07:31 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: APSOG and Derek, Kevin, and Jordan Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990413170731.006e4f7c@pi-r-squared.com>
At 12:17 AM 4/13/99 -0700, you wrote: > >interesting that someone said that Kevin is the most classically trained of >the three keyboardists. Now, I'm not a great classically trained person, >but my ear seems to think that Jordan is by far the most technical and >"classical" of the three.
Definitely. Jordan played classical music for most of his life, according to his bio. The guy was trained at Julliard which is one of the most prestigious classical music schools in the world. He also states in an interview somewhere, I believe anyway, that classical music is the basic foundation for all his writing.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:15:25 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990413171525.006ec858@pi-r-squared.com>
At 11:27 PM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Heh Jam, > >Are they're any recommendations for good Power Ballads (either rock ballads >or metal/prog ballads)... Songs like... > >Savatage - Believe/Somewhere in Time >Savatage - Alone You Breath >DT - Another Day (Yeah, I guess you could call this one) >Cinderella - Don't Know What You've Got
The masters of the power ballad, imo anyway, would have to be Manowar. Check out songs like Heart of Steel, Master of the Wind, or Courage.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990413081549.1442A-100000@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> That one by Saigon Kick, damn I can't remember the name of it. That would be Love is on the Way. Fun fun song...
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:18:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: I had a Jerry Maguire vision... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990413081752.1442B-100000@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> working with a band as well, low key as DT. Derek was used to playing with > KISS and AC etc... DT wasn't used to playing with someone whose intrests > include Elton John. So, when the opportunity to have Jordan finally join Doesn't JL like Elton too?
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:47:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990413134623.7470A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Al Balkiewicz wrote:
> Man, there are a shitload.....some of the top of my head could be, from an > 80's/early 90's standpoint:
> High Enough - Damn Yankees
I loved this song - grew up in middle school with it. ;)
> That one by Saigon Kick, damn I can't remember the name of it.
That's "Love is on the Way", and I'm looking for an MP3 of it if anybody has it!
> I Saw Red - Warrant
Another one from my youth. Stop it, people, you're making me feel young!
> Every Rose Has Its Thorn - Poison
No comment. This was the first rock ballad I learned on the guitar.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: APSOG and Derek, Kevin, and Jordan Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990413135748.23190A-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Brad Plumb wrote:
> Definitely. Jordan played classical music for most of his life, according to > his bio. The guy was trained at Julliard which is one of the most > prestigious classical music schools in the world. He also states in an
JULLIARD IS NO FUCKIN' GUARANTEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry - had to be done....
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:22:52 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: APSOG and Derek, Kevin, and Jordan Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990413182252.006ea300@pi-r-squared.com>
>JULLIARD IS NO FUCKIN' GUARANTEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never said it was. Just said the guy had a classical background.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:12:44 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Concert Last Night Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809350@messaging>
Well, hello everyone!
I went to the Billy Joel show last night here in good ol' Phoenix (AWA), and I witnessed a spectacle which so surprised me I nearly soiled myself (*loose* movie reference - any takers?)... Billy Joel, band and all, playing "Highway to Hell" (AC/DC)! The guitar tech/roadie (AKA "Chainsaw") sang - it was fucking hilarious!! Anyway, he also played "Purple Haze" (it rocked) and some cursed Beach Boys and Elvis tunes (I guess it would've rocked if that did it for me)....
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:37:36 -0600 From: dhp <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ozric Tentacles Tour!! Message-ID: <199904131932.OAA182714@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Very Briefly--
The Ozric Tentacles will be doing a May-June US Tour. Thus far, three dates have been confirmed:
1. Wetlands, NYC-- May 7th and 8th 2. Recher Theater, Baltimore-- May 14th 3. Theater of Living Arts, Philadelphia-- May 15th.
Stay appraised via www.execpc.com/~mwerning for updates; of course Ticketbastard always works.
Bye, David Plotkin
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