YTSEJAM Digest 4803
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
by Diablo6491@aol.com
2) Re: Song writing
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
by Vince LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
4) mp3's
by JubiJuju@aol.com
5) NO DT..** Interesting "GAS OUT"**
by TRS Group <sales@trsgroup.com>
6) soft endings
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
7) bass tabs
by Adrian79@aol.com
8) on the seventh day
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
9) Rock ballads
by "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
10) Re: Song writing
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
11) Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) New reviews + news !
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
13) A Pleasant Shade of Infinity
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
14) APSOG
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
15) And further more... APSOG
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
16) Re: John Myung Instructional video
by Calvin6S@aol.com
17) IBANEZ PLASTIC BUSHINGS SOLUTION!!!!!!!!
by JKorby1973@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:53:57 EDT
From: Diablo6491@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
Message-ID: <5c1f5494.2444fad5@aol.com>
> there are a shitload.....some of the top of my head could be, from an
> 80's/early 90's standpoint:
How about Death Angel's "A room with a view" from Act III.
Thats a damn good song, though it might be a border line ballad...not sure
though it is a great song:> Actually, its a good album over all:> Try
it on for size
RaY
-Sitting in the window staring out...-
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Song writing
Message-ID: <19990413201843.26392.rocketmail@web104.yahoomail.com>
Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> wrote:
> DT is certainly used to playing with someone whose
interests
> include Elton John. Their names are Kevin Moore and
John Petrucci
> - have you heard of them?
You are correct. Many people like Elton John,
especially his Goodbye Yellow Brick Road album ;o).
Can't say it was just Derek, might just seem that way
to people since Derek was playing the piano the ACoS
covers and Anna Lee.
And also:
> The only thing I fear is that we'll get an album
full of JP/JR
> riffs that won't lend much to writing "songs". I
liked the more
> focused direction DT took with FII in terms of
songwriting.
Hmm... After listening to LTE, you might get that
impression. Songs without lyrics somtimes don't seem
like "whole" songs.
But what about this "focused songwriting" on FII? Is
this in comparison to other DT albums? I've heard this
many times, and just don't get it. What about PMU?
Lie?, SDV?, Metropolis, etc, etc? These weren't well
written songs? What exactly on FII is more focused or
better songwriting than other DT releases? Is this
just another way to say that you personally like the
songs on FII better than other DT?
If we're talking opinions, I think the songwriting on
FII had less "depth" than previous work. Does "less
depth, less complexity, more mainstream" equal "more
focused"?
my $.02, BH
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:26:08 -0600
From: Vince LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990413121136.006b7b00@pop02.syspac.com>
Palpatine wrote:
>The masters of the power ballad, imo anyway, would have to be Manowar. Check
>out songs like Heart of Steel, Master of the Wind, or Courage.
hehe... master of the wind :) The songwriter must've just had a catmeat
burrito at Filiberto's loaded with beans before he wrote it.
~Vince
P.S. This is not a one-liner post
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:22:03 EDT
From: JubiJuju@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: mp3's
Message-ID: <9d0105f3.2445016b@aol.com>
hey does anyone have any good mp3 sites that have rare good quality maybe
even unreleased tunes from bands like DT, Zep, GnR, etc,,,,im new at this mp3
stuff...so if u can let me know i'd appreciate it...JubiJuju@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:35:44 -0700
From: TRS Group <sales@trsgroup.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: NO DT..** Interesting "GAS OUT"**
Message-ID: <199904132036.QAA07301@smtp4.mindspring.com>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:51:06 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: soft endings
Message-ID: <v04020a04b3395de3beb0@[195.14.235.173]>
Hi!
>that have this type of thing? It would help if the rest of the CD is cool,
>too :) for example, i haven't heard QR's O:M. does this cd do that? if so
>that might be another incentive to finally get me to go buy
it :) thanks. moo.
Get Promised Land instead. Empire also had a very moody end. And the second
Morbid Angel album, too.
Huh?
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:59:20 EDT From: Adrian79@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: bass tabs Message-ID: <c9be9942.24450a28@aol.com>
cassino wrote: >The problem with this part is that John Petrucci is soloing so loud >that is almost impossible to hear John Myung's bass. I know what you >mean, but I'll give it a second try...
At least now I know that other people have the same problem :)
>I think that's the only part in I&W that I don't really know what he's >doing besides the 4:30-4:43 part of Metropolis. That one is tapping >mistery...
I can't help you with that. I only play eights with eight pauses over 3/4,7/8 measures. The F** thing is that we Bass players have the most difficulties in figuring out what other Bass players play. Either you don't hear it because of the Bass drum, the loud guitars or the keyboards.
Carlos wrote: >If youre talking about what i think you are ( dont have images here ) anyone >who has Myung's instructional video can make you a copy or scan you a copy >of that >exact part on the booklet.. or better yet..make you a copy of the video. .. He >explains it slowly..and it doesnt seem that difficult to do with practice.
The part in the video is the Bass solo 5:36-5:46 (not the part cassino talked about) and I guess every DT fan who ever touched a Bass has tried to play the Metropolis Bass solo. Very cool!
Adrian
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:07:58 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: on the seventh day Message-ID: <19990413210758.93213.qmail@hotmail.com>
>> Definitely. Jordan played classical music for most of his life, >> according to his bio. The guy was trained at Julliard which is one >> of the most prestigious classical music schools in the world. He >> also states in an
>JULLIARD IS NO FUCKIN' GUARANTEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!sorry - had to be >done....
damn! you beat me (abd about twelve other people) to it!
And about Bogie's JP vs JS riff fest....I can see that happening too, a result of a budding music school rivalry (julliard vs Berklee) that threatens to destroy the cohesion of the band
as things heat up, from mere talk to actual war, Juilliard decides that being all alone, he must deploy the first strike. He does so, hitting Berklee with keyboard riffs of ever increasing complexity and power....but Berklee hits back from three angles.... despite a sabotaged amp, JP fights back anyway....using the element of elton john, JP throws JS off guard with a beautiful acoustic number on his axe (one that sounds suspiciously like a guitar version of candle in the wind)..... utterly disoriented, JS is wondering what the hell is going on when all of a sudden he's blindsided by rumbling bass lines, which shake the ground and leave his ears ringing and head spinning....stunned and deaf and dizzy, he can't hear the Animal creeping up behind him with the sharpened drumsticks....
anyone know what Patrick Moraz is doing these days?
partha
(btw, during this whole episode, Labrie was busy watching the hockey playoffs.....GO WINGS!!!)
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:34:30 +0200 From: "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Rock ballads Message-ID: <01be85f5$6a3b3760$0100007f@localhost>
Nevermore write some killer ballads. Check out "The Hurting Words" or "Sanity Assassin" (both off their self-titled debut). Or better yet "The Sorrowed Man" from the "In Memory" EP, it's so beautiful you'll cry.
Robert
NP: Strapping Young Lad "City" (Now THIS is some progressive shit!!) ------------------------------- The Chaos Engine - CD cover and packaging designs website: http://hjem.get2net.dk/sindermann e-mail: sindermann@get2net.dk
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:44:37 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Song writing Message-ID: <4.1.19990413172155.00a559c0@po7.mit.edu>
At 01:20 PM 4/13/99 -0700, Brian Hansen wrote: >Hmm... After listening to LTE, you might get that >impression. Songs without lyrics somtimes don't seem >like "whole" songs. >But what about this "focused songwriting" on FII? Is >this in comparison to other DT albums? I've heard this >many times, and just don't get it. What about PMU? >Lie?, SDV?, Metropolis, etc, etc? These weren't well >written songs? What exactly on FII is more focused or >better songwriting than other DT releases? Is this >just another way to say that you personally like the >songs on FII better than other DT? >If we're talking opinions, I think the songwriting on >FII had less "depth" than previous work. Does "less >depth, less complexity, more mainstream" equal "more >focused"?
By focused songwriting on FII, I mean that the band was making a conscious effort to trim the songs of their fat. With that being said, you can hear a difference in the songwriting from Awake to FII (I'm not counting ACOS because it's not a full length album and it was mostly written in the I&W era.) The band attempted to structure their material a bit more. Now whether or not you argue that the band was attempting to be more "mainstream", that's for you to decide. But, it can be said that the band was trying to write more structured material.
However, more structured doesn't necessarily mean shorter. I think Lines in the Sand is a brilliant song that really developed over the 12 minutes it had on the CD. However, New Millennium might have been a better song if you cut the entire middle funk section. I don't feel like it adds anything to the part of the song surrounding it. In fact, if you played around with NM and just cut the funk section entirely, you'd hardly know it was missing.
Trial of Tears is another tune that could be trimmed down. I like the tune, but are the two lengthy solos really necessary? It's a matter of preference I guess. I love the first 4 minutes and the last 2 minutes, but at times, I'll skip over the solos because I don't feel like listening to them. And, a well written song should never make you want to do that. Each part of the song should lend something to the entire piece instead of just sitting their on its own.
Anyways, I don't know if I should elaborate any further. I mean I could, but I have tests to study for :) I guess defining what a song is is almost as impossible as defining what progressive music is. In the end, it comes down to a matter of personal opinion.
-Bogie
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:42:56 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Best Power Ballads (Metal/Prog) Message-ID: <dd5895a6.24451460@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-04-13 15:40:30 EDT, you write:
<< Actually, I think there's a double CD set called Rock Ballads out there. Watch TV at around 2 in the morning, and the commercial is bound to come up....... >>
I know EXACTLY the one you're talking about. It's called "Monster Ballads" and you can order it online at www.razorandtie.com.... and the reason I know this is because my wife saw the commercial, wrote down the info, and gave it to me (hinting at a possible future gift, methinks).
That commercial cracks me up every time! It starts off with "They taught us how to live... they taught us how to love" or some shit like that. Lemme tell you, Poison and Warrant didn't teach me how to love.... I learned by watching the kid down the street's dad's porno tapes! *big grin*
Anyway, if you're looking for a set of 80's style power ballads, that CD looks like a great place to start. If you're looking for more of a heavy power-ballad sound with lyrics that don't necessarily deal with love found and/or love lost, there's TONS out there. There's been mention of some great ones already on the Jam: Savatage, Manowar, Skid Row (Slave To the Grind-era). There's so many others, but a few come immediately to mind: Queensryche (Anybody Listening, Someone Else), Iced Earth (I Died For You, A Question Of Heaven, Melancholy (Holy Martyr), Watching Over Me, Blessed Are You, Consequences), and Testament (The Ballad, The Legacy, Return To Serenity, Trail Of Tears). The list goes on and on.
Oh, I also wanted to point out that while "November Rain" by GNR is a great song, one of my alltime faves which is also by GNR has not been mentioned yet: Estranged. Brilliant arrangement with some very tasty lead guitar work from Slash. Just a great, great song. Very moving. IMHO, anyway.
Well, that's 'bout it for now. Laterz... Matt T.
NP: Amorphis "Tuonela"
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:50:35 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New reviews + news ! Message-ID: <3713CA3B.80F80754@hm.telia.no>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:41:14 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: A Pleasant Shade of Infinity Message-ID: <3713C804.409E@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Recently got FII back after having loaned it to a friend for several months. Forgot how much I like this album. Of course, some of you must immediately think this is warrants a challange, like "But it's not as good as I&W, or Awake" or the production/proginess factor sucked or whatever. Please seek help :) It's a statement in and of itself. I like FII :)
Go put on "New Millenium" and pay attention [ people with ADD please page down to the next article, unless you already have :) ] starting around 6:45 around and especially starting 6:57-7:10 :)
Is Michael having fun or what?
Nothing else I wanted to say really, that's it :)
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:44:40 -0400 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: APSOG Message-ID: <3713C8D1.599CD81@mindspring.com>
Wheres if you can consider the DT listening experience to being quickly hit by a mack truck, consider the FW experience to being slowly crushed by a cement mixer.
Or to be more expressive, FW is certainly takes a tad bit more listening time to fully comprehend the intricasies and emotional impact, but therein lies the magic. It is definately a different side of the prog rock coin, but just as incredible, if not more so than DT. Just because the musicianship isn't flaunted or thrust into ones face doesn't mean the impact is different.
Just thought I'd express the fact that FW, who have influenced Dt in some ways, and vice versa, to some extent, derserve more respect than they get. And I;m here to give it to 'em yeah.
SM
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:55:35 -0400 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: And further more... APSOG Message-ID: <3713CB5E.C7A0C6CA@mindspring.com>
First off, ALDER has the best voice out there, bar none.
Ok, had to clear the air on that one.
Second, regarding the artwork, I think since Hugh Syme was not the actual designer on this one, it suffered compared to previous and excellently designed FW cd's. Somewhat disappointing, I agree. But oh well. Hopefully next time Syme will be back at the design helm. As a fellow CD artist, I think art is VERY important part of the musical listening experience, especially in prog circles.
And for those who NEED to know, I would get Parallels, then Perfect Symmetry, followed by INSIDE OUT and lastly, No Exit. Then maybe Enchant - Blueprint of the World.
SM
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:03:33 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: John Myung Instructional video Message-ID: <86cec10f.24452745@aol.com>
> or better yet..make you a copy of the video.
OR EVEN BETTER YET, buy the video. I am not a bassist but I PAID for the video. Come on, John Myung is worth your money.
And while you are at it, pick up Mike Portnoy's video. Portnoy's, Petrucci's, and Rudess' videos are all very good instructionals for ALL musicians regardless of your instrument. Portnoy describes time signatures and how to make them more interesting (let's face it - the most PROG part of DT is the drums). Petrucci and Rudess has very good information on the harmonic structure of music. I would say Myung's is the only one that doesn't really cross over. It is pretty much made for bassist. I wish he would have gone more into how he writes basslines. How maybe he considers the chord progression and decides when to strengthen Peturcci's lines (double) and when he decides to add something that is more independent yet adds to the song.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:48:53 EDT From: JKorby1973@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: IBANEZ PLASTIC BUSHINGS SOLUTION!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <a287a438.244531e5@aol.com>
Greetings fellow Jammers & Ibanez players! I also have experienced that little problem w/ those plastic doo-hickeys and this is the solution that worked for me: --- First off, the only tool you'll need for this is fire. So grab a lighter or a pack of matches. --- Pull the bar out of the guitar but keep the bushings on the bar. --- Now hold the bushing end of the bar over (or in) the flame letting them melt oh so slightly. (Don't worry if they turn black.) --- The flame will make the plastic "expand", thus creating a snug fit in the hole. ("Uh-huh, he said 'hole' ") Just do this a little at a time until it seems like the bar will barely slide back inside. (Let them cool a few seconds before putting the bar back in.) If you do it too for long a time, you won't get the bar back in. HELPFUL HINTS: Be sure to melt or "expand" the bushings all around. If you hold one side of them in the flame, they will melt obscurely and not fit. --- Trust me- this works- I've been doing it for 8 years. The flame not only "expands" the plastic, but it also hardens it more, which makes it last longer than it would otherwise. I only go through 1 pair of bushings year or so. If the same problem persists, you may have not melted them enough the first time. Also, if you go 9 or 10 months on those same bushings, and they start to loosen up again, you can go ahead and re-melt them. This usually works more than once on the same set, otherwise go spend another few cents to buy new ones and melt those. Now I have a question: Why the hell does the hole the bar fits in able to screw and unscrew? Why would you need to adjust that? The "barhole" on my main Universe kept coming loose after about 8 years of abuse. It was so bad that I would need to tighten it every fricken day, so I carefully dripped a little extra-strength super glue on the thread (while it was screwed out), and screwed it back in before it dried. That also worked like a charm. Try it if you have that same problem. It works great! HAPPY SNUG WHAMMY-ING!! - JK
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