YTSEJAM Digest 4805
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Maiden on the radio
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
2) Myung concerns, ballads and killer starts/ends of songs
by steve.arthur@twm.co.uk
3) A joke for us musicians ...
by "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
4) Re: Who is the bass player for Planet X?
by David Rothlisberger <drothlis@xtra.co.nz>
5) re:bass player of Planet X (Ricc Fierbracci)
by O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
6) Re: Long songs/what is DT?
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
7) Re: Who is the bass player for Planet X?
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
8) Skipping Songs
by "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
9) Something to ponder...
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
10) Bass Tapping Tab
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
11) Superior - Younique
by "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
12) Re: Billy Joel
by MentalHunk@aol.com
13) Re: damage of mankind, song writing
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) Re: Superior - Younique
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
15) Re: Superior - Younique
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
16) Re: the ends of concept albums
by rbrito@iname.com
17) Trial of solos?
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
18) ballads
by Sebast87@aol.com
19) Re: the ends of concept albums
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
20) Rick Firebreeches and DT Still Sucks?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:03:42 -0500
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Maiden on the radio
Message-ID: <19990414.040347.12382.4.schnapster@juno.com>
A thing happened to me the other day that hasn't happened in a long ass
time. I actually heard Iron maiden on one of the major radio stations in
the St. Louis area (97.1 FM). I was driving back to Columbia, changed
stations, and heard the opening strains of Wasted Years. Granted, it was
in a set of 80's hard rock/metal songs they do every day, but damn,
Maiden on the radio. I never thought I'd live to see that day :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:22:24 +0100
From: steve.arthur@twm.co.uk
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Myung concerns, ballads and killer starts/ends of songs
Message-ID: <TFSOMOVR@twm.co.uk>
Jammers,
MYUNG
I'm glad the issue of song writing styles has raised it's head as I was reading=20=
the lastest fan club I&W fanzine=2E If you read the interview with Monsieur=20=
Myung he talks with understandable pride about the process of writing ToT and=20=
bringing the rough version to the band and how important this time on his own=20=
to develop the idea was important=2E
He goes on to say that whilst he enjoys jamming this isn't his preffered method=20=
of producing SONGS=2E How is he going to find the new format of Jordan and the=20=
LTE gang ambushing proceedings with their more than capable jamming=20=
ability????????
BALLADS
Amongst my all time favourites have to be
Kings X - Goldilox, Summerland, Everywhere I go and Legal Kill
Crimson Glory - Song for Angels, Lonely
Queensryche - Silent Lucidity, I Will Remember
White Lion - You're All I Need
Alice in Chains - Down in a Hole
Warriour Soul - Lullaby, Losers
Saigon Kick - Colours (Acoustic version on the flipside of 12" Love is on the=20=
Way)
Killer Song Starts/Ends
Soundgarden - start of Room a thousand years wide (this is incredible)
Pearl Jam - Oceans (shivers =2E=2E=2E=2E)
DT-Metro-Police (may be sick of this intro tape but it still hits the mark)
Best ending has to be Eyes of a Stranger Live (Operation Livecrime) this is=20=
incredible when they kick back into Anarchy X
Enjoy=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E
Steve ' looking california, but feeling minnesota=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eas=
they say in=20=
America i believe (Outshined)
(it doesn't sound as good in the UK saying I'm looking London but feeling=20=
Edinburgh=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E)
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:39:08 +0100
From: "Robert O'Doherty" <rodoherty@seagull.nl>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: A joke for us musicians ...
Message-ID: <001001be865a$a5b16e80$520778c1@rob.seagull.nl>
A mans ship is wrecked in a storm and he is washed up on the shore of an
island. He hears drums being played. With a little exploring he soon finds
a small villiage, the drums
still playing.
Walking in, and by this time quite annoyed with the non stop drumming, he
asks one of the natives about the drums. "When drums stop...bad..." the
native says.
Not quite understanding, the man accepted this.
Waking up from a nice sleep, he noticed the drums were still playing. So he
asked another native, and the same answer was given.
"When drums stop...bad..."
He asked to see the chief of the village, because this drumming was driving
him nuts. Upon finding the chief, he asked him the same question, and was
given the same answer.
"When drums stop...bad..."
"But WHY is it bad when the drums stop?"
The chief shifted a bit in his seat, and said...
"Bass solo."
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:21:46 +1200
From: David Rothlisberger <drothlis@xtra.co.nz>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Who is the bass player for Planet X?
Message-ID: <4.1.19990414231513.00947950@pop3.inspire.net.nz>
> I was wondering who he was, as I knew the others but I was unfamiliar
> with his name (Ricc Fierabracci). Any help will be much appreciated,
> of course.
He plays on Yanni's "Live at the Acropolis". Since I don't own any of
Yanni's other CDs (and probably never will, heheh) I don't know how many of
them he plays on... he *is* listed under "band:" in the liner notes, though
(as opposed to being mentioned separately from the "real" band, like, say,
Nick D'Virgilio on Calling all stations).
--David.
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:44:57 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re:bass player of Planet X (Ricc Fierbracci)
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990414144457.009b7830@mail.surffi.net>
He has been with Yanni for a while, I've seen him play on Tribute and Live
at the Acropolis videos, and I really like him... he plays very tasty solo
on Acropolis, I'm really excited to hear how Planet X will sound...
op777
Thoughts while Eating at McDonald's "...if people were actually shaped like
those little "throw litter away" people-figures with the pointy limbs that
appear on the boxes the burgers come in, they'd fall into gratings all the
time and get stuck. But getting out of jail would be really easy." -Kevin
Madden
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:36:52 -0400
From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Long songs/what is DT?
Message-ID: <199904141224.IAA00154@bajor.ici.net>
> other complaint was the end of The Way It Used To Be. Again, the "These
> fuckers really know how to drag a song out" remark. Maybe it's a clue? I
Personally, TWIUTB is my favorite song from FII. ;-)
In fact, the only complaint I have about the album is that that song
didn't make the cut.
> But I think the
> longass songs that seem to lead nowhere and pick up again later are what
> turn alot of potential people off to DT. That's pretty much the biggest
> complaint I've heard about them time and again.
Maybe those people are just not meant to be DT fans. Don't forget -
DT is not about making music for the masses. What you are
suggesting is that DT tone down their music to make it something
that the general public can more easily digest. Hmm....where have
I heard that accusation before. Oh yeah, that metal band that
begins with "M"....a lot of people think that's what they did, right?
> and other side projects? I dunno... It never has seemed to bother me but
> I know quite a few people that hate it.
If they hate it, so be it. There is no "universally loved" music. No
matter what kind of music they make, some people will love it,
some will hate it, and a whole bunch of people won't even know it
exists.
___Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
Email: psull@ici.net
ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS
WWW:__ http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html _______
Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to
write, it should be hard to understand.
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:35:16 -0400
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: A Ytse of Seasons <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Who is the bass player for Planet X?
Message-ID: <4.1.19990414083100.0091f1f0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
BigSwifty wants to know:
>I was wondering who he was, as I knew the others but I was unfamiliar
>with his name (Ricc Fierabracci). Any help will be much appreciated, of
>course.
Ricc has played with Yanni's live band for the past several years and
appears on the "Live at the Acropolis" and "Tribute" discs (and their
accompanying videos, of course). He has a pretty cool bass solo on "Live at
the Acropolis" during the track "The Rain Must Fall".
ta,
Phil
==============================================
Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com -- Usefulware Tech Support
Official Glass Hammer website: http://www.glasshammer.com/
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:50:50 -0400
From: "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Skipping Songs
Message-ID: <s71456fc.001@weidmuller.com>
> Bogie wrote:
=20
> I'll skip over the solos because
> I don't feel like listening to them. And, a well written song
> should never make you want to do that.=20
That would explain why I don't even bother listening to FW.
Kevin Rackley
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:08:45 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Something to ponder...
Message-ID: <3714935C.47D98742@isd.net>
Cyberwolf wrote:
>Wheres if you can consider the DT listening experience to being quickly
>hit by a mack truck, consider the FW experience to being slowly crushed
>by a cement mixer.
That was beautiful, man. *sniff sniff*
I'm thankful we have bands like DT & FW to compare. I sit here and shake my
head watching people slam FW and DT for whatever trivial reason. I somehow
always manage to contrast the trivial bitching with the music awards.
Some of you people are bitching about stupid shit while no-talent hacks are
busy making millions and accepting awards, with very little effort on their part.
meanwhile, bands like DT, FW, and SX, are lucky if they can get into the studio.
What a slap it the face to any self respecting musician.
I asked the daughter once: "If you needed a major operation; would you choose
the doctor with the highest skills or the doctor that was the best looking?"
She responded with: "I dunno, the cute one?" I had to leave the room. :)
Boycott mediocrity!
/Al thinks he's going to drop a large magnet into the "Back Street Boys"
cassette bin at the local Best Buy.
Nah, they would just replace them and count them as MORE SALES.
*sigh*
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:23:56 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bass Tapping Tab
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC8F4B67@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
Mike Bahr used to have a tablature transcription of the tapping solo in Met.
I on his Prism Website. I don't know if he even reads the jams anymore (or
if he's even subscribed), but if he is, maybe he can either pass it to
someone willing to post it to a website or he can post it himself...?
Or is this all just wishful thinking on my part? :)
Nicholas Giannotti x6745
Joint STARS Contracts
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
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Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax
materiam possit materiari?
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:16:59 +0200
From: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
To: "The YtseJam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Superior - Younique
Message-ID: <000201be8684$ec744340$3ae44382@default>
I received this disc in the mail a couple
of days ago, from a contest I won, and
I haven't been able to stop listening to it.
Superior just suck me into their world.
I had actually NEVER heard of them before
I received the disc, and I was very surprised
that they were this good. It's kind of special,
yea. But I usually need a couple of listens
before I get into a disc, even DT's! This one
got to me from track one, and got better all
alone. I missed my soccer-training too, I was
in another world...
What's eveyone's take on Younique?
The YtseJam mailinglist (and IRC channel) are
thanked in the liners, so I guess some of you
have heard it?
Jonas Opsal - jonasops@online.no
Surfing Into Infinty - http://dreamtheater.tsx.org
NP: Superior - Younique
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:50:59 EDT
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Billy Joel
Message-ID: <f1b2d630.24460553@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-04-13 14:37:27 EDT, you write:
<< The guitar tech/roadie (AKA "Chainsaw")
sang - >>
As in Chainsaw Cane of the Minneapolis band Slave Raider ? Just Curious
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:17:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: damage of mankind, song writing
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990414111544.24366C-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
>
> >< We walk in the damage of mankind. ><
>
> God that sounds familiar. What is that? Metallica?
>
It's from the song "On With the Dream" (?) by Damn the Machine. Kick-ass
song
on a kick-ass album from a kick-ass band that kicked my ass when they
opened for kick-ass DT.
-Al
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:19:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Superior - Younique
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990414111729.24366D-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonas Opsal wrote:
> What's eveyone's take on Younique?
> The YtseJam mailinglist (and IRC channel) are
> thanked in the liners, so I guess some of you
> have heard it?
>
I would hope that a lot of the Ytsejammers have heard it, if not for the
fact that they're first album "Behind" rocked, but also for the fact that
the guitarist Bernd is a 'Jammer himself......
I have said it many many times before, and probably will many more, this
album is the definition of "kick-ass", and I refer to it personally as the
album that DT should have come out with instead of FII.....
-Al
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:14:22 -0500
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Superior - Younique
Message-ID: <3714B0CE.98BB62BB@uiuc.edu>
It's awesome. Enough said. No if i could only find a place that has
Behind in stock. hmmmmm.
Jonas Opsal wrote:
> What's eveyone's take on Younique?
--
Edward Polzin
Live and Rare Recordings
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:41:19 -0300
From: rbrito@iname.com
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: the ends of concept albums
Message-ID: <19990413134118.A2734@iname.com>
On Apr 13 1999, TheCowGod wrote:
> has anyone noticed that bands that normally write really heavy stuff
> tend to write cool concept (or at least concept-y) albums and then
> end them with a soft melodic piece?
(...)
> anyways, i'm now addicted to these type of, well basically,
> outros. Can anyone suggest any other CDs that have this type of
> thing? It would help if the rest of the CD is cool, too :)
Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse" is an example of such an album
(heavy concept album, with a soft, progressive outro).
[]s, Roger...
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(still an) Ugrad. Comp. Science student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:29:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Trial of solos?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.990414101835.68540B-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
Bogie said:
<Trial of Tears is another tune that could be trimmed down. I like
<the tune, but are the two lengthy solos really necessary?
<It's a matter of preference I guess. I love the first 4 minutes and
<the last 2 minutes, but at times, I'll skip over the solos because
<I don't feel like listening to them. And, a well written song
<should never make you want to do that. Each part of the song
<should lend something to the entire piece instead of just
<sitting their on its own.
=09I consider those solos as an essential part of the song. Of course,=20
thats my preference! The song wouldnt be THAT exciting without the solos.=
=20
As far as i can remember, ToT builds two climaxes or high points. One=20
being when James sings the entire verse "Hidden by disguise, stumbling in=
=20
a world........"
=09The other climax is during the solos. There is maybe two solo=20
climaxes, one, when JP is about to conclude his guitar solo (which i=20
think is anything BUT boring), and two, when Derek concludes his keyboard=
=20
solo.
=09I probably wouldnt find ToT very appealing to me if it wasn=B4t for=20
the solos. It would seem incomplete to me.
Hope you understand what i tried to say!
Mauricio
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:12:32 EDT
From: Sebast87@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: ballads
Message-ID: <fbc20c92.24461870@aol.com>
more cool ballads...
QR : Silent Lucidity
Angra : Holy Land / Deep Blue
Megadeth : A Tout Le Monde
Led Zep : Stairway to Heaven
SG : Ghost Of A Chance / Christmas Day
Savatage : When The Crowds Are Gone / This is the Time / This is not What we
meant.........
Sebast
http://members.aol.com/sebast87/page1.htm
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:12:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: the ends of concept albums
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990414121117.1824A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse" is an example of such an album
> (heavy concept album, with a soft, progressive outro).
kickass, i've been meaning to check them out anyways. at the radio station
where i work they have a copy of Nuclear Blast's (?) ID5 comp and it's got
an opeth song (all i know is it starts with "when") which rocks my nads. i
have to get more of them. what cd is that song on? sounds like a good one
to start with. and thanks to everyone else for replying as well. moo.
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:43:47 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Rick Firebreeches and DT Still Sucks?
Message-ID: <005201be86a6$bd6bbc00$0201010a@chuck>
>I was wondering who he was, as I knew the others but I was unfamiliar
>with his name (Ricc Fierabracci). Any help will be much appreciated, of
>course.
*You see Korg's jaw drop to the floor*
Ric kicks my ass. Everyone has already mentioned his solo in Yanni's The
Rain Must Fall, but I think I like his solo in Dance with a Stranger better.
That solo's so tasteful it's deliciously filling. I think he used to play
for that Tower of Power group the drummer (Joel Taylor) came from. A damn
good bass player, imo. Now I really can't wait for Planet X.
>I heard that accusation before. Oh yeah, that metal band that
>begins with "M"....a lot of people think that's what they did, right?
No, it's just a suggestion. I'm sure DT wants to reach out to the masses as
much as any other band. I think the long songs lately tend to be more of
"Hey look at me play!" wankfests than stuff that actually fit the song like
in the earlier albums. If you notice the trends though, many, many of the
old 10+ minute song prog bands reverted in the 80's to writing simple 5
minute songs. Their fan bases grew and not many of their older fans weren't
disappointed.
Imagine if Rush had extended Tom Sawyer for 30 minutes leaving no room for
Limelight on Moving Pictures (just as an example).
I just really think DT could give us more by giving us less in a sense.
Shorter songs = >more< songs. Either that or I'm the conceited one being
greedy. :) I would just like to see them focus on their songs more than
their talents. Sure, we all know they're some of the best players out
there, but let's start checking their songwriting skills next. Sometimes I
think (The midsection of ToT: It's Raining especially) DT wanks off too much
and that section in particular was imo very pointless. It was great the
first time I heard it but now I'm just as likely to want to skip it myself.
Anyway, that's just my opinion.
--
KorgX3 expects Mike to send him a boot to the head in the mail.
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