YTSEJAM Digest 4806
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Superior
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
2) Re: NO DT..** Interesting "GAS OUT"**
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) Myung/song writing
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
4) boltylocks
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
5) Re: the ends of concept albums
by rbrito@iname.com
6) Re:... and DT Still Sucks?
by "James Lenart" <jalenart@hotmail.com>
7) Long distance e-mail (ndtc)
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
8) Re: the ends of concept albums
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
9) Re: IBANEZ PLASTIC BUSHINGS SOLUTION!!!!!!!!
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
10) CD's, Vai
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
11) Chainsaw
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
12) BLOW OUT PRICES for Dream Theater
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
13) APSOG
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
14) MP3 tries to get thru ...
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:35:58 -0400
From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Superior
Message-ID: <1288003736-5401656@hutman.com>
> From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
>
> It's awesome. Enough said. No if i could only find a place that has
> Behind in stock. hmmmmm.
I have a used copy of "Behind", as well as a bunch of other titles
(prog, AOR, 80's metal, etc) for sale for $6 or under. go to the
"Clearance" section of the web-site below..
-steve
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:45:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: NO DT..** Interesting "GAS OUT"**
Message-ID: <19990414194500.18733.rocketmail@web135.yahoomail.com>
Warning: No DT Content, feel free to page down now.
TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> wrote:
> here's something to consider before forwarding that
e-mail about the
> great gas-out to anyone. moo.
>
http://snopes.simplenet.com/spoons/faxlore/gasout.htm
Do you work in the gas industry? ;o) It may be true
that we have it good with gas prices in the USA
campared to Europe but...
You have to be in California to understand the outrage
with gas prices. Prices at cheap stations for the
lowest grade gas went from $1.21 to $1.69 in one week.
It's not uncommon to see gas prices over $2.00 at
higher priced stations. Is it that high in Ohio?
And it has nothing to do with supply! Gas prices are
inflated in the Metro areas of California just to make
money. Due to overzealous enviromental law in CA,
there are very few supliers (2?), and they have a
monopoly. Gas at a station 1 mile from the infamous
refineries (NOT in a high-rent district) often costs
$.25 a gallon more than gas in the central valley
where it has to be trucked 75 miles. Explain that.
The "gas-out" may not accomplish anything but make a
statement, but isn't that enough?
The real reason behind the California gas situation is
probably that the Oil companies are punishing
California. Our new governer recently signed a law to
ban the additive MTBE from CA gas. Almost immeadiatly
they cranked up prices, using a fire at an Oil
refinery as a excuse. Cause and effect?
my $.02, BH
MTBE - A Gas additive refined from components of
standard refinery waste, which supposedly would make
less air pollution. Instead, it lowers gas mileage,
disolves some engine components, and spreads this
hazardous waste all over the place. Now that the MTBE
has showed up in water samples EVERYWHERE in CA, the
misguided tree-huggers, clever oil companies and idiot
politicians who mandated it in the first place have
finally been overruled, and it is being phased out.
We now return to your regularly scheduled DT content...
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:46:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Myung/song writing
Message-ID: <19990414194649.9247.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com>
I think as far as song writing/structure and whatnot, DT
are going to have a very song oriented album with some
insane instrumental passages. Look at it like this. They
get together in Feburary to start the new album. Ideas and
jams are just flying everywhere. They take a break in
March so Portnoy can have time for the newest member of his
family. When they join up again, everyone has had time to
take those different jams (which Myung likes but doesn't
prefer) and work with the structure of them i.e. turn them
into songs instead of extended jams (something I think
Myung likes just as well as the rest of them). Those
insane jams turn into insane songs, with a sensitivity to
lyrics. This is just my take on it.
NP: Spocks Beard-Day For Night <----- great album!!!
If DT doesn't put anything out this year, then this one
gets my vote for best album of 1999. They will take second
place if that happens because it is going to be real hard
for something to top this album IMO.
later all
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John Parks
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So much style without substance
So much stuff without style
Its hard to recognize the real thing
It comes along once in a while. -Neil Peart-
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:46:25 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: boltylocks
Message-ID: <19990414194626.75147.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Here's some power ballads I haven't seen mentioned (both by KI$$):
>"Forever" came out in '89 and went to #8 on the charts in early '90,
>so most people have probably heard it. It's probably the best song
>Michael Bolton ever had anything to do with writing.
Michael Bolton wrote a Kiss song? I don't know whether to laugh or
to cry......that's like Al Dimeola playing a Kenny G composition.....
or Snoop Doggy Dogg goiong to Vanilla Ice for his songs......or Dream
Theater hooking up with Desmond Child.....oh wait, that already
happened.....
partha
(imagining a DT-Bolton collaboration and cringing in fear)
np: Joe Henry- "fuse" (hey, it's got a monkey on the cover!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:21:49 -0300
From: rbrito@iname.com
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: the ends of concept albums
Message-ID: <19990414152149.B2665@iname.com>
On Apr 14 1999, TheCowGod wrote:
> > Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse" is an example of such an album
> > (heavy concept album, with a soft, progressive outro).
>
> kickass, i've been meaning to check them out anyways. at the radio station
> where i work they have a copy of Nuclear Blast's (?) ID5 comp and it's got
They were signed to Century Media, when they wrote that album.
> an opeth song (all i know is it starts with "when") which rocks my nads. i
> have to get more of them. what cd is that song on? sounds like a good one
> to start with. and thanks to everyone else for replying as well. moo.
The song, "When", is exactly from this album that I
recommended, "My Arms, Your Hearse", which is Opeth's 3rd full length
album. It's much heavier than the previous albums and I'm not sure if
it's a good starting point.
IMO, "Morningrise" would be it, but you can't go wrong with
any album of this band. BTW, I maintain the Opeth mailing list... If
you want to subscribe to it, just send a message to:
rbrito-nectar-subscribe@ime.usp.br
and follow the instructions that you'll receive. It's true that most
of the discussions there are off-topic, but then, what's the music
mailing list that stays on-topic? :-)
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: BTW, you're lucky for working in a radio station, huh? I guess
that you get to listen to a lot of interesting things... It would be
nice if you sent some comments on how the radio schedules the songs --
based on which parameters? What is necessary for the radio to include
a song in the airplay schedule?
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:55:59 PDT From: "James Lenart" <jalenart@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re:... and DT Still Sucks? Message-ID: <19990414195559.56159.qmail@hotmail.com>
<snip some DT comments>
>I would just like to see them focus on their songs more than >their talents. Sure, we all know they're some of the best >players out there, but let's start checking their songwriting >skills next. Sometimes I think (The midsection of ToT: It's >Raining especially) DT wanks off too much and that section in >particular was imo very pointless. It was great the first time I >heard it but now I'm just as likely to want to skip it myself. > >Anyway, that's just my opinion. >-- >KorgX3 expects Mike to send him a boot to the head in the mail. >
the less is more argument always gets me steamed when people talk about DT...i seem to be the only one who actually listens to the band because of the environment they create. i am a doom metal fan first and formost, and what i enjoy the most is a great atmosphere along with good songwriting. Dream Theater, for me, are one of the only prog bands that can capture such great emotions through their music/lyrics...ToT is a perfect song in that it is stimulating musically and emotionally (if that makes any sense) and the midsection that everyone seems to hate works as a perfect bridge to the climax of the song. i don't think the song would make much sense if it just jumped from part I to part III. the same goes for LtL, Metropolis, and most of their other long stuff too.
maybe the reason why i don't mind the parts where DT goes off is because i'm not a guitar player...i don't have the slightest idea how hard something is to play other than if i see/hear the guys hands going crazy fast. in this sense i'm not looking at his guitar playing as a way to impress me, i see it as music...and DT have always been able to keep me interested with their great song writing. to me good song writing isn't some catchy tune that you can never get out of your head...that i find annoying, i find good songwriting as something that keeps you interested/involved with the song (in a nutshell)
enough mumblings....back to work Jim Lenart "Sorrowed" icq: 25717769 URL: Mirror of Sorrow, the official Solitude Aeturnus site http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/5795/solitude.html
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:07:58 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Long distance e-mail (ndtc) Message-ID: <19990414200758.28822.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
Sorry for the lack of content, but check this out.
>CNN reported that in the next two weeks, Congress is going to vote on >allowing telephone companies to charge for Internet access. That >means, every time we make a long distance e-mail we will receive a >long distance charge. This will get costly. Please visit to the >following website AND complain. Complain to your Congressman. Don't >allow this to pass. http://www.house.gov/writerep > >Pass this on to your friends. It is urgent! I hope all of you will pass >this on to all your friends and family. All of us have an interest in >this one. > >PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW TODAY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!
The link will take you this place where you can send an email to your congressman.
=== *Trent
"I see a girl in the night with a baby in her hand. Under an old street light; near a garbage can. Now she's put the kid away, she's gone to get a hit. She hates her life and what she's done with it. That's one more kid that'll never go to school, never get to fall in love, never get to be cool." * Neil Young _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: the ends of concept albums Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990414160927.18394C-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: rbrito@iname.com > Subject: Re: the ends of concept albums > > > where i work they have a copy of Nuclear Blast's (?) ID5 comp and it's got > > They were signed to Century Media, when they wrote that album.
yeah, that's it. ID5 is century media's compilation.
> P.S.: BTW, you're lucky for working in a radio station, huh? I guess > that you get to listen to a lot of interesting things... It would be
yeah, i've gotten into half the bands i listen to from playing them on the air and liking it. nevermore and opeth are the two latest ones.
> nice if you sent some comments on how the radio schedules the songs -- > based on which parameters? What is necessary for the radio to include > a song in the airplay schedule?
well, this is a college radio station, so the station doesn't make playlists or anything. there's a big shelf with over 300 CDs called Rotation and you can pick whatever you want from that shelf and play it. Also, every fourth song (or 1/4 of your show) can be an optional that you play from your own collection, as long as it meets music policy. Any CD can be donated to the station and it will be reviewed and put into rotation. We're serviced by east/west, so we get every DT cd before it comes out (OIALT is in rotation right now but it's gonna get pulled next week probably), but our CDs don't just come from labels. independent bands will often put some of their songs on cd-r or 7" vinyl and give it to us. Bernd had Noise Records send a promo of Younique to us and that's in rotation right now. Oh yeah, that's another thing - the main thing that decides whether a cd/song gets played is its review. These arent reviews like you read in magazines, i.e. good/bad - the point of these reviews is simply to give an idea of what kind of music it is so that the DJ can decide whether or not he wants to play it even if he hasn't heard of the band before. i'm not sure how commercial radio stations or even other college stations do their shows, but i'd be interested to hear it. i know pellaz works at WREK in atlanta - care to enlighten us paul? moo.
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: IBANEZ PLASTIC BUSHINGS SOLUTION!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <01JA12RPG2TE91WCJ2@alma.edu>
> --- Now hold the bushing end of the bar over (or in) the flame letting >them melt oh so slightly. (Don't worry if they turn black.)
You are the man, man. This was a lot easier than that stupid nail polish solution and, oh yeah, it actually works. Anyone else having this problem with going through the bushings too quickly should try this, it works great. Plus I get to play with fire while performing guitar maintenance. The only problem I had was that the bushings started to open up a lot as they expanded, but I solved this by squeezing them shut with a wet paper towel (to keep from burning my fingers) immediately after taking the lighter off the bar, so that they un-melt tight around the bar. This worked well and unless I run into some unforseen problems with this solution this is like the greatest discovery of my life (besides maybe masturbation). Thanks man. -Clark
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:59:14 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CD's, Vai Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809351@messaging>
Oh my dear God - this sounds too much like me to keep quiet - and I even did this exact same thing with the Vai discs. S&R used to collect dust, but now it's my second favorite Vai, second only to ALS. And I even arrange my CD's (all 4 billion of them) alphabetically and chronologically - too weird. The thing that sucks is, many of my empty CD cases have been stolen, but not the liner notes (the fuck that broke into my car got a little less than he was expecting... :)). So, I use those Case Logic cases. So, when I get a new Angra, Aerosmith, or Tori Amos CD, guess who has to rearrange the WHOLE FUCKING THING!! Yes, I know it's stupid, but it's the only thing in the world that I'm REALLY anal about...
David
<<<<<<<<<<<< I'm one of those whacko people who may like only one or two CD's of a band and buy the rest of their albums just so I have the set. I doubt I'm alone in this, but it's what I do. Anyway, Fire Garden was my first real introduction to Steve Vai's works (I'm a late bloomer, I know). After buying it and intaking its milky residue, I sought out more of his works. I picked up Passion and Warfare. Kind of 80's but still OK. Alien Love Secrets was a major score. Flexable was strange yet charming at the same time. And then I only had one left (at the time), the one that I'd seen many of in used bins around the world (or Cassia County anyway). It's the one with that fucking freak of nature Devin Townsend that fucked up Natural Science on the Working Man tribute. Fuck. So I bought it, listened to maybe the first 10 minutes of it and shuffled it off in the V section of my CD shelf.
Anyway, two years later (or something like that), I was in a hurry to get to work and was rummaging around for CD's to listen to. I accidentally grabbed that one instead of ALS (I file my CD's alphabetically/chronologically. Sick, eh?) So I'm sitting at work wanting to listen to Bad Horsie and I have Deep Down in the Pain. Fuck. So I pop it in anyway, and for some reason, Devey Wevey's vocals came to life for me. Crazy shit. And with it came a grudging respect for the man. Then I bought Ocean Machine and thought he was one of the premier rising musicians of our time along with the likes of Ron Thal and Hanson (lol). Then I bought Infinity and now I worship the man as my new and rightful savior; the purger of my sins and healer of my wounds. I've ordered the two Strapping Young Lad albums ordered on the faith that he will not fail me by creating shitty music. But, hell, God made spiders, too, so I can't dis Devin if he fucked up. >>>>>>>>>>>>
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:18:29 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Chainsaw Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809352@messaging>
BJ (heheheh) said the mysterious "Chainsaw" has been his guitar roadie for 20 years, so I doubt it....
<<<<<< In a message dated 99-04-13 14:37:27 EDT, you write:
<< The guitar tech/roadie (AKA "Chainsaw") sang - >>
As in Chainsaw Cane of the Minneapolis band Slave Raider ? Just Curious >>>>>>
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:02:34 -0700 From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: BLOW OUT PRICES for Dream Theater Message-ID: <199904142203.SAA02102@smtp1.mindspring.com>
Blow out prices for Dream Theater hats... just in time for Spring/Summer!
Check out the direct link:
http://trsgroup.com/dt/dthatnew.htm
http://trsgroup.com/dt/dthatnew.htm
http://trsgroup.com/dt/dthatnew.htm
see ya there
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:20:28 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: APSOG Message-ID: <37145DDC.1C427285@mol.com.mk>
Heh, it's an ytse-sin to add fire to an existing thread but ..."
I, as an oficial FW hater, think that APSOG might be their only good album! :) That's all.
P.S. Don't ya just HATE jammers who make that kind of excuse and carry on the thread anyway??? -- CyberDuke
"Now that I know that I'm breaking to pieces I'll Pull out my heart and I'll feed it to anyone Crying for sympathy crocodile cry for the love of the crowd and the three cheers from everyone ..."
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:40:19 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: MP3 tries to get thru ... Message-ID: <37146283.856451F7@mol.com.mk>
Hmmmm..., I would like to share one song with you!
Mike Stern Group/Bob Berg - Games (live)
The only problem is: The song is 24:30 long! If I give it I wanna give it in good sound quality and right now I have the MP3 made with 192 kbps and it's 33.5MB! :( I can make it with worse quality (I have the CD) but I don't wanna loose too much of it otherwise you can't hear the awesome music played in it!
It's featuring Lincoln Goines on bass and Dennis Chambers on drums too!!!
I doubt you ever heard a 24:30 drum solo! :) This Dennis man is a monster. This is the most intence drumming I ever heard in my life. All thogh this is jazz fusion, and on moments it really gets too free, especially with Bob Berg on saxophone running thru every possible note with speed og ligth, ya just can't ignore the awesoem players. Everything is on fire. Anyone who knows Mike Stern needs no more introduction of him! Dennis is untouchable, Bob Berg literally torture the sax, and the bass is daring to keep Dennis drums!
Without any nasty intention, while listening this tune Mike Portnoy came on my mind, and compared to Dennis Chambers he looked so small! :) Little tiny baby! ;o) I think everyone can agree after listening this song.
I would appretiate if someone is interested in putiing this mp3 on his site and then providing link here on the jam for it! Thanx, -- CyberDuke
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