YTSEJAM Digest 4813
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DT Experience
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
2) MYUNG, LEVIN, AND SHEEHAN ARE GREAT BUT BILL DICKENS TAKES THE CAKE
by YtseJamJMB@aol.com
3) 1st DT Experience
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
4) let's review
by MusicSnob@aol.com
5) MS Audio 4.0, and my 1st DT experience
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
6) Re:Waahh!
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
7) 1st DT experience...
by "A Change Of Seasons" <dreamtheater@cjnetworks.com>
8) Re: 1st DT experience...
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
9) Re: DT Experience
by PofOLady@aol.com
10) Re: ramblings
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
11) how to write like someone's whining
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
12) how to write like someone's whining
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
13) Re: Upstairs at Nick's??
by JamesAhab@aol.com
14) Re: yackety yack blah blah yadda yadda
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
15) Re: yackety yack blah blah yadda yadda
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
16) Re: yackety yack blah blah yadda yadda
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: DT Experience
Message-ID: <19990417231129.6362.rocketmail@web113.yahoomail.com>
OK kool. Since I have never contributed to previous
versions of this post I thought now would be a good time.
Lets see, the first time I ever heard DT.... Oh yeah. I
was riding around with one of my friends sometime right
after Christmas 94. This friend of mine was in the
percussion section with me in high school at the time and I
always trusted his judgment when it came to music (he
turned me on to Rush, Yes and the genre know as Jazz)
Anyway he said that he had gotten this awesome cd by some
progressive band. He popped in it (it was Awake) and from
the drum intro all the way through the end of Space Dye
Vest, I was hooked.
> I know this has been asked a few times on the jam a while
> back, but i was
> wondering, because not too much good DTC has been on the
> jam in a while:
> where did each of you first hear of Dream Theater and
> when? I think itd be
> cool to see the different answers
===
John Parks
jpyyz@yahoo.com
So much style without substance
So much stuff without style
Its hard to recognize the real thing
It comes along once in a while. -Neil Peart-
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:22:23 EDT
From: YtseJamJMB@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: MYUNG, LEVIN, AND SHEEHAN ARE GREAT BUT BILL DICKENS TAKES THE CAKE
Message-ID: <e52c0a3a.244a71af@aol.com>
Hey fellow bassists and Jammers,
I was at Guitar Center today and I stumbled upon this instructional video.
At first I didn't think anything of it until I saw the back and it said Bill
Dickens plays 7 and 9 string basses. Now I bought it just for that, but when
I brought it home I was mesmerized by it. He plays Latin, Jazz and Funk and
he just ripped it up. He has incredible speed in slapping and finger playing
and tapping. He has a bunch of ideas that I haven't seen from any other
bassist out today. For you bass players this could improve your playing a
hell of a lot. And through most of the video he plays a 7 string bass. I
guess maybe he isn't the best bassist in the world because I haven't heard
all of them but he is right up there with Sheehan, Myung, and Levin, but they
all got different styles. I think Bill Dickens style is the most unique. He
explains in the video that he likes to use the bass as percussion and as a
bass at the same time. He has weird ways of making that percussion sound
too. He is also the most unique because he plays 7 and 9 string basses.
Anyway thought maybe some of you guys could benefit from Bill Dickens. I
think he has two different tapes...I picked up the second one...I will be
getting his first one soon though.
Later Jammers,
Justin Sepulveda
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:32:20 EDT
From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: 1st DT Experience
Message-ID: <19990417233221.78905.qmail@hotmail.com>
"but i was
wondering, because not too much good DTC has been on the jam in a
while:
where did each of you first hear of Dream Theater and when?"
My 1st contact with the greatest band on the earth came right after
I&W was released ...as a matter of fact I was all caught up in UAGM
and Metropolis before PMU was ever a radio tune.
Anyway my friend had the 7-string Ibanez and showed me Metropolis
while jamming along...and there was no turning back.
-------
On a another subject...although I am new to this list it seems that
people are using this forum to bitch and bitch alone (or in groups):>
"God, I wish it would rain!!"....then it rains..."Will the rain ever
stop??"
Just complaining for the sake of being contrary...im not bitching
myself here but its just kinda sad.
Apparently this happens alot and although i always enjoy some sarcasm
this is starting to lag
I guess i just expected more of DT people (You not Me?)
argueing about the fuckin KITT car????
GETAGRIP (not an Aerosmith ref.)
at any rate a thank you to compadre32 for giving me a reason to post
this list again
Outlander has spoken
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:59:35 EDT
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: let's review
Message-ID: <fbcd51ae.244a6c57@aol.com>
opin*ion (noun)
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular
matter
2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
fact (noun)
5 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality
Remember the distinction when referring to music.
NP: Athena - A New Religion?
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:37:20 -0400
From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: MS Audio 4.0, and my 1st DT experience
Message-ID: <001d01be892b$3c75ba60$32aa889e@guest3382>
I first came across this at winamp's website, maybe some of you can help
me out:
Microsoft announced the release this week of a brand new audio format: MS
Audio 4.0. Supposedly, it will have the same quality as mp3 format, but
it only takes up half the disk space. It will have support in the
upcoming winamp 2.11. Here's what I want to know:
Is this format going to be really popular? I mean, will I be able to
trade audio files, or will I be the only one who uses this format?
Will it be possible to convert MSAudio files BACK to mp3?
Will mac users be able to take advantage of this new format as well? Can
I still share files with mac users?
For those of you who want to, you can read the press release about Winamp
and MS audio at http://www.winamp.com/pressrelease/13.4.99-microsoft.html
The first time I heard DT was when my friend brought IaW to school. The
first song I heard was Take the Time. The next one he put on was
Metropolis. After that, I was hooked. I had every DT CD I could find
within 2 weeks (Living in Vermont, I had to order them specially). Not
much of a story, I know, but it was asked, so......
Regards,
Josh Calkin:
URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony
E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu
ICQ: 22473371
AOL IM: Mortua
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:52:39 EDT
From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re:Waahh!
Message-ID: <19990417235241.85370.qmail@hotmail.com>
"I would personally rather hear a months
worth of the crap you were making fun of than a days worth of the
crap you contributed."
just out of curiousity why does any of it have to be "crap"
I mean isnt this thing edited for content??(i'm new and really dont
know if it is or not)
like's been said before : "you dont like it? leave or contribute
better discussions"
that i do agree with but ive tried on more than once to start good
stuff up but no one responds...then i read what is being responded to
and its about other bands
(isnt there a mailing list for Spocks Beard?) ;>
that was a joke...don't get your shorts in a Gordian Knot ;>
JUST DONT START WHINING PLEASE!!
OK i promise i wont anymore....but since i cant speak for others I
really think that last statement will be in vain
"hoping things will change\still subscribing in the meantime"
Outlander has spoken
"Death is the first dancing turtle"-John Petrucci
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:05:29 -0500
From: "A Change Of Seasons" <dreamtheater@cjnetworks.com>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 1st DT experience...
Message-ID: <000f01be892f$2c722960$722fe9cc@o5h0w2>
Hey Jammers....
My first taste of DT came from a friend. We were in a band together
and he played part of a song for me... Didn't put too much stock into
it as he didn't give them the best review.
Later, as I was buying my newsstand copy of Guitar FTPM, I noticed
there was a transcription of Take The Time. I looked at the
transcription and wanted to hear it played, so I went out and got Images
And Words without knowing what I was getting into. Been a fan since
'93.
'poj' =o)
ICQ#31820332
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"Life will not always be this way.
Look around. Hear the sounds.
Cherish your life while you're still around!"
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:49:40 EDT
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: 1st DT experience...
Message-ID: <b38b67eb.244a8624@aol.com>
Hey Jammers!
well my first eperiance was all due to this great ol' thing called the
internet... I met someone online (from MN as the case may be) who told me
about this band that I would probably like... He sent me tapes of I&W, Awake,
and the song ACOS... this was in december of '96 and I've been hooked ever
since...
~Lisa
DragynLMC3@aol.com Ytsedrgn on IRC
The way to become boring is to say everything. -Voltaire
http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/index.html <~ updated 4/17
A closed mind is like a closed book: just a block of wood. -Chinese Proverb
P.S. this reminded me of the jam... :}
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is
no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. -Galbraith's Law
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:32:42 EDT
From: PofOLady@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: DT Experience
Message-ID: <82aad5b5.244a903a@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/17/1999 6:19:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Compadre32=20
writes:
<< Whats up again jammerz----
=20
I know this has been asked a few times on the jam a while back, but i was=20
wondering, because not too much good DTC has been on the jam in a while:=20
where did each of you first hear of Dream Theater and when? I think itd be=20
cool to see the different answers. FYI: I first heard of them on the=20
radio=20
in New York in 1990 and started reading about them in guitar mags soon=20
after.=20
Just post ur responses on the Jam and id be cool to see where everyone=20
comes=20
from with this subject. >>
<slipping out of my perpetual lurker mode to throw my two cents worth in>
When I lived in Maryland back in late 1996-early 1997, an online friend of=20
mine who lived there knew that I was a big Queensr=FFche fan, and insisted o=
ver=20
and over that I just HAD TO hear Dream Theater. I'd heard "Pull Me Under" on=20
the radio when it came out, and wasn't impressed (wtf was wrong with me?=20
haha).=20
One day, this friend of mine made me a tape of I&W and convinced me to liste=
n=20
to it..and the rest is history.=20
<returning to perpetual lurker mode>
Jax, Lady of the Oracle
http://members.xoom.com/PowerOfOmens/
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:42:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: ramblings
Message-ID: <199904180142.VAA06494@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in Jens Johansson's basement typed:
> (Q: Can you learn how to becaome a good composer in school? How about
> becoming a poet, inventor, mathematician, or hockey goal keeper? My take is
> that some things are difficult to teach above a certain level.. but maybe I
> didn't go to any good schools! :)
You know, I think that most people who are disappointed with the
answer to this question ask it the wrong way. Jens, on the other
hand, highlighted a very important aspect of this question, IMHO.
There's a difference between learning how to be a good
composer/poet/mathematician/etc... and learning how to *become* one
(as Jens asked). My bachelor's degree (in Math and Computer Science)
is from a very non-prestigious school, that most of you have probably
never heard of. They didn't have much of a budget for computers and
whatnot, and were well behind the times. (We had no e-mail, and had
just gotten Netscape, in May of '95, when I graduated.) My undergrad
high-level programming experience, for the most part, was in Pascal
(with a semester's discussion of Lisp and Prolog), all in a PC
environment. My test scores got me into grad school, and from day one
I was expected to write C in a Unix environment. However, as limited
as Molloy College's resources were, they had one thing going for them
-- I had a great CS prof. While she couldn't teach me C or Unix
(because we didn't have it), she taught me the most important thing I
have ever learned: *how* to learn. In that sense, rather than
learning how to be a great programmer, she gave me the tools to learn
how to *become* a great programmer.
Jens is right that certain things can't be taught on a higher level.
However, with the right background, anyone can learn anything on a
sufficiently high level.
The goal then, I think, no matter what your endeavor (programming,
playing the piano, driving, fighting fires, baking, whatever) should
not be to do it right, but to learn what doing it right entails.
Doing it right should naturally follow.
Comments appreciated.
-d
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:58:38 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: how to write like someone's whining
Message-ID: <37193C4E.666CADFC@bigfoot.com>
>Ummm... KITT was a Trans-Am, not a Camero.
Someone chastised a whiner and puncuated his remarks with the following:
>WAAAHHH!!! WAAAAHH!! WAAAH!!
This is how you should have done it:
"Wah! *sob* Wah! *sob* Wah! *sob!"
It's a lot funnier that way. And now's the part of my post where I
pretent I know a damned thing about cars:
I was educated with:
>Ummm... KITT was a Trans-Am, not a Camero.
and
>Wrongo... KITT was an 82/82 Trans Am. Thats PONTIAC bytheway.
>Just thought I'd clear that up. Being a T.A (NOT T&A) kinga guy,
>there IS a difference. Back to the program..
and
>Umm, K.I.T.T. was a Firebird/Trans Am, not a Camaro.
WhatEVERRRRR! They looked the same, didn't they? So they must have been
the same. Next!
>somehow? PUH-LEAZE! You and Vanilla Ice can keep your Mustangs. I don't
>bother w/ anything less than a 5.7!
heh heh... you do know, of course, that you are now measuring the size
of your penis, in liters...
How much HP is that? Because I'm going to be getting a honda civic del
sol vtec, which has 1.6 liters, but 160 HP. It's really incredible. With
a few mods I can beat a mustang, no prob.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:59:16 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: how to write like someone's whining Message-ID: <37193C74.18E07E19@bigfoot.com>
>Ummm... KITT was a Trans-Am, not a Camero.
Someone chastised a whiner and puncuated his remarks with the following:
>WAAAHHH!!! WAAAAHH!! WAAAH!!
This is how you should have done it: "Wah! *sob* Wah! *sob* Wah! *sob!"
It's a lot funnier that way. And now's the part of my post where I pretent I know a damned thing about cars:
I was educated with: >Ummm... KITT was a Trans-Am, not a Camero.
and >Wrongo... KITT was an 82/82 Trans Am. Thats PONTIAC bytheway. >Just thought I'd clear that up. Being a T.A (NOT T&A) kinga guy, >there IS a difference. Back to the program..
and >Umm, K.I.T.T. was a Firebird/Trans Am, not a Camaro.
WhatEVERRRRR! They looked the same, didn't they? So they must have been the same. Next!
>somehow? PUH-LEAZE! You and Vanilla Ice can keep your Mustangs. I don't
>bother w/ anything less than a 5.7!
heh heh... you do know, of course, that you are now measuring the size of your penis, in liters...
How much HP is that? Because I'm going to be getting a honda civic del sol vtec, which has 1.6 liters, but 160 HP. It's really incredible. With a few mods I can beat a mustang, no prob.
mods that I'll do, once I, uh, learn, how....cars work. -- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:58:52 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Upstairs at Nick's?? Message-ID: <a2978454.244a965c@aol.com>
>< Hey I was just wondering if anyone in the Philadelphia area knows about Upstairs at Nick's. Spock's Beard is playing there may 17 and I was just wondering what it was like and maybe an address and phone number. thanks ><
Upstairs at Nick's is a club really, it's pretty small. I thought that SB could've at least gotten the Troc. It's the 2nd floor above Nick's Roast beef, hence the name. It's on 16 S 2nd St. The number is (215) 928-0665. But this is great. I knew the Beard was comin to Philly, but I didn't know the venue. Now I do. Nice little intimate setting. I'm there. Now does anyone know of a price?
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:50:21 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: yackety yack blah blah yadda yadda Message-ID: <4.1.19990417205015.0094b730@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
And you know what??? You did a more than sufficient job of adding to what you're terming usless, mindless jabber. Excellent job.
np: Jethro Tull "Living in the Past"
>To all you jammers...I'd like to give my two cents concerning all of the >recent postings. Here it goes (deep breath)... > >Blah blah blah, prog, yakity yakity death metal blah yakity my music is >better than yours, yakity shmackity blah shmackity Queensryche sucks/rules, >yadda yadda blah Fates Warning is useless/the greatest, yadda yakity yadda >your "chain" is a joke, shmackity yadda genres of music, yakkity blah >yakkity yadda this bass player is better, blah yakity yadda yadda blah. > >Wow, that was quite intelligent wasn't it? It's ALMOST as intelligent as all >of the rest of the last week's worth of ytse postings! I think we've >probably set a record for the most useless, mindless jabber on a mailinglist >ever! Congratulate yourselves! >------ >B. Newtz <newtzbj1@gcc.edu>
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:48:26 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: yackety yack blah blah yadda yadda Message-ID: <4.1.19990417203836.009967a0@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
And you know what??? You did a more than sufficient job of adding to what you're terming usless, mindless jabber. Excellent job.
np: Jethro Tull "Living in the Past"
>To all you jammers...I'd like to give my two cents concerning all of the >recent postings. Here it goes (deep breath)... > >Blah blah blah, prog, yakity yakity death metal blah yakity my music is >better than yours, yakity shmackity blah shmackity Queensryche sucks/rules, >yadda yadda blah Fates Warning is useless/the greatest, yadda yakity yadda >your "chain" is a joke, shmackity yadda genres of music, yakkity blah >yakkity yadda this bass player is better, blah yakity yadda yadda blah. > >Wow, that was quite intelligent wasn't it? It's ALMOST as intelligent as all >of the rest of the last week's worth of ytse postings! I think we've >probably set a record for the most useless, mindless jabber on a mailinglist >ever! Congratulate yourselves! >------ >B. Newtz <newtzbj1@gcc.edu>
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:05:13 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: yackety yack blah blah yadda yadda Message-ID: <4.1.19990417210510.00953cd0@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
And you know what??? You did a more than sufficient job of adding to what you're terming usless, mindless jabber. Excellent job.
np: Jethro Tull "Living in the Past"
>To all you jammers...I'd like to give my two cents concerning all of the >recent postings. Here it goes (deep breath)... > >Blah blah blah, prog, yakity yakity death metal blah yakity my music is >better than yours, yakity shmackity blah shmackity Queensryche sucks/rules, >yadda yadda blah Fates Warning is useless/the greatest, yadda yakity yadda >your "chain" is a joke, shmackity yadda genres of music, yakkity blah >yakkity yadda this bass player is better, blah yakity yadda yadda blah. > >Wow, that was quite intelligent wasn't it? It's ALMOST as intelligent as all >of the rest of the last week's worth of ytse postings! I think we've >probably set a record for the most useless, mindless jabber on a mailinglist >ever! Congratulate yourselves! >------ >B. Newtz <newtzbj1@gcc.edu>
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