YTSEJAM Digest 4819
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Recommendation Wanted
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
2) porntoy is a machine
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4818
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
4) MP1000
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
5)
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
6)
by "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
7) RE: MP1000
by "Geoff Stephens" <gstephens@austin.rr.com>
8) 1st DT experience/Other cool DT Australia info
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
9) Re: Recommendation Wanted
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
10) Re: MP1000
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
11) Chaquico
by Barbara B <babs@sgenab.cc.geneseo.edu>
12) Happy Birthday, Mike!
by "xxx" <hipodilski@usa.net>
13) Drum Machines...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
14)
by "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
15) Re: Drum Machines
by "Sasha C." <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
16) I&W drum machine
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
17) Re: Drum Machines
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
18) Re: Drum Machines
by prog <prog@yunque.net>
19) Re: DT drum machines...
by Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu>
20) 420
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
21) Mr. Sandmann
by "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:53:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
Subject: Re: Recommendation Wanted
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9904200651470.6661-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Spanish/Flamenco, etc... doesn't matter at this point, i wanna try it all.
> :-) -- feeling and composition are.
> If any of have favorites, please let me know.
You might wanna try "The California Guitar Trio" on Robert Fripp's
label, Discipline Global Movile. They are 3 guitarists trained in the RF
style (New Standard Tuning) but play in a very "together" sort of way -
kinda like a mexican restaurant. :) They've got 3 releases, and their
website is at http://www.cgtrio.com
- mike.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:56 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: porntoy is a machine
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3FDC@ms.kallback.com>
> I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is
> recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was
> recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard
> (all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum
> machine.
Nope, it's a live drummer, but the drums are triggered, which means when
he hits a drum, a pre-programmed sample of a drum sound is played/recorded.
That's why all the snare sounds the same.
Or something like that. I know fuck all about drums.
Trevor
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:17:05 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4818
Message-ID: <371C6231.DA4F5B9B@siol.net>
>I posted a message about Bill Dickens before. An awesome bass player. I
>went down to Bass Alone in San Diego and got to get my hands on one and it
>was an awesome experience. They didnt have the 7 or 9 string bass but the
>Conklin 6 string was just awesome. Oh and the tuning on a 7 string is the
>same as a 6 except for the lower F#. It kills the yamaha TRB 6 II bass I
>own now. Also in musicians freind I noticed John Myung's bass being sold
>now. Anyone play it yet? I am curious to see how good it is since it is less
>expensive. Also Happy Birthday to Mike Portnoy.
>
>Later Jammers,
>Justin Sepulveda
I'm gonna check this Dickens character real soon. Sounds like an
extremely
interesting bass player. Any solo albums, or band enviroment worth
checking
out? I play a Yamaha TRB6II and it's by far the best bass I've ever held
in my hands, and I tried ALOT of highend basses. This Conklin sounds
like
a killer bass then, wish I could try one out here in EU. Gonna check out
Myung bass too, but if you have TRB6II, you already have a bass by far
superior to the new Myung model in every aspect, except maybe if you
have
very small hands, Myung one has smaller string spacing.
Turn on the bass!
Matej
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:27:49 EDT
From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: MP1000
Message-ID: <19990420112750.63677.qmail@hotmail.com>
but I was wondering whether I&W was
recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've
heard
(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a
drum
machine.
Cheers
Niall
Yes Niall...they do...as a matter of fact they use it live too
Its called the MP1000...it hauls ass in perfect time huh??
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:41:41 EDT
From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Message-ID: <19990420114141.59995.qmail@hotmail.com>
hey. i was listening to awake. and on erotomania...around 5:30-5:45
is a
cool guitar ,drum,and bass riff. check it out, its pretty fast, you
may miss
it.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:40:39 EDT
From: "J C" <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Message-ID: <19990420114039.85521.qmail@hotmail.com>
hey. i was listening to awake. and on erotomania...around 5:30-5:45
is a
cool guitar ,drum,and bass riff. check it out, its pretty fast, you
may miss
it.
WHAT????!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:57:50 -0500
From: "Geoff Stephens" <gstephens@austin.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: MP1000
Message-ID: <000501be8b25$0371e800$37491c18@geoffste.austin.rr.com>
Not many people know about that. I&w was done mostly using a drum
machine. Too bad no one pays attention.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:01:03 +1000
From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 1st DT experience/Other cool DT Australia info
Message-ID: <371C6C7F.8FFA4157@winshop.com.au>
Hello,
My 1st DT experience; friend 1 saw the JP article in GW around the time
Awake came out and thought they seemed like a pretty cool band based on
the article. So he order Awake. Waited about ONE FUCKING YEAR for the
disc to come in due to several delays, but finally he got it, paid
something like $40 for it and disliked it due to the vocals. Anyway,
this friend 1 was playing Awake in his car one day and friend 2 was
present and took an interest in Scarred. He borrowed the disc and soon
enough fell in love with it. He showed them to me - I hated them since
they were metal (I was into rap, alt/grunge shite back then) but
something about the music made me want to keep listening, I found their
music unpleasant at the time, but unpleasant in a unique sort of way. I
taped Awake eventually since curiosity got the better of me and
eventually I found myself thoroughly enjoying it. And as the saying
goes, I haven't looked back since....
And now for some cool Australian DT info - no, I haven't got the news we
all want to hear about an Australian tour, but as if finding out there
was a fellow DT-ist in the same street as me was exasperating enough, I
now see a TV ad for a local music store the other day and what
background music do I hear? LIE! :) Stoked. (Please remember the 'lack
of fans' predicament us Australians keep whinging about and take it into
account) :)
Btw, Australian jammers, I don't know if this has been posted here, but
Gary Carson's 'Screaming Symphony' prog metal radio program is now of
PBS Melbourne. This is a big step as the flood of petitions they
received was so overwhelming (the largest amount of petitons they'd ever
received) they had no choice but to allow the program onto their
airwaves. Gary can be contacted at penwon@easylink.net.au for the
frequency/program times, etc.
Cheerin'
Luke.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:59:24 +0300
From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Recommendation Wanted
Message-ID: <199904201210.PAA02948@forthnet.gr>
>Jim Matheos' solo album. Don't know the name, but he's only had one so far
It's called First Impressions. Actually, his second album Away With Words
is ready and about to be released.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:37:47 -0400
From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: MP1000
Message-ID: <371C751B.4024D8F4@frontierlogic.com>
Actually, I think you're a bit off the mark here. We're quite certain
that the snare drum sound that you hear is a sample, but this does not
mean in any way that Mike Portnoy didn't actually play the part. It's
very easy to either replace or duplicate a snare drum track with a
sampled drum, using some and not so sophisticated equipment. But by
saying that I&W was done by 'mostly using a drum machine' gives off the
impression that MP sat in a chair and hit buttons on a little box,
instead of hitting drums with sticks.
-mojoman
Geoff Stephens wrote:
>
> Not many people know about that. I&w was done mostly using a drum
> machine. Too bad no one pays attention.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:42:54 -0400
From: Barbara B <babs@sgenab.cc.geneseo.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Chaquico
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990420084254.006be15c@sgenab.cc.geneseo.edu>
And even though some people will
>disagree, I recommend Craig Chaquico's "Once in a Blue Universe." Save
that one for last or something though... It's alright, but nothing
astonishing.
Hello everyone, it's Babs. I just wanted to comment that it was good to
read the above comment. Being that I broke down two years ago and finally
bought a cd player, I've been taking my time building my rock and jazz
collection. I've been scouring playlists, etc. and bought Marc Antoine's,
Madrid after seeing that it was number one on a lot of jazz stations around
the country. I find it to be good listening. I also have seen Chaquico's
name come up on these lists and wondered if his stuff was any good. Is
there anybody else on this list who might know a little bit more about his
past acoustical work?
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:08:43 +0300
From: "xxx" <hipodilski@usa.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Happy Birthday, Mike!
Message-ID: <000301be8b2e$fea168a0$198205d4@xxx>
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday, dear Mikey,
Happy birthday to you!
Vic
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:14:14 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Drum Machines...
Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF31A62C@bham-xchg1>
Niall wondered....
>I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is
>recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was
>recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've
heard
>(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a
drum
>machine.
Hey,
They used drum triggers, that's a sample drum sound that goes
off everytime the accoustic drum is hit, it makes it sound like a drum
machine (well, not always but it does on I&W), I don't suppose there's
anyone on this list who likes the I&W drum sound, least of all MP I
would guess.
God, I'm bored today already...
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:16:56 -0400
From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Message-ID: <18DB7F3D6363D1119B080060083FF42CC4E504@PFC_EXCH01>
Howdy, y'all...
Here's 2 cents or so about this BitKnee Spears discussion(Ugh):
[Joe DeAngelo]> IF she was an AVERAGE LOOKING person...she wouldn't have
sold shit for albums.<
[Brian Hansen]>But what if she wasn't so attractive? It's quite possible
that she could release the same music, and be taken much more seriously,
just because she wasn't attractive. <
Well, i think this is a moot point. i have to think that if she wasn't
attractive then she never would have been given the songs to perform. (gross
assumption: she didn't write the material she performs. i have no proof of
this, however.) In today's marketing to the pre-teen and teenage market,
looks seems to be at least as important as talent in deciding who gets deals
and who doesn't. If you can dance and pout for the camera, you will be given
music to perform and one or two of these songs will get you on the charts
and MTV and make you some money -- until the next pretty face comes along.
[BH]>Does looks/image really effect the music? <
Well, probably not. Nowadays i'd bet 2-to-1 that those writing the music are
not the ones performing it. At least, in the hit-radio, teenage market. The
only way the looks affect the music is when the songwriter envisions
attractive teens singing their songs.
These acts nowadays are manufactured more than they are discovered. ("We
need 5 guys/girls. OK. You be the bad one, you be the quiet, reserved one,
you be the athletic one, etc...) If anything can be good in all of this,
it's that the record companies are making so much money from them, that a
little of that cash can trickle down and help support the kinds of bands we,
on the jam, are all fans of but that don't bring in the quick cash that the
teen acts do.
Over and out...
CHRIS
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:24:35 +0200
From: "Sasha C." <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Drum Machines
Message-ID: <003901be8b31$3e1d0460$6fe51dc3@sasa>
why the hell would they use a drum machine when they have Mike
Portnoy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
>From: Niall Connaughton <nconnaug@socs.uts.edu.au
>I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is
>recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was
>recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard
>(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum
>machine.
>Cheers
>Niall
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:57:52 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: I&W drum machine
Message-ID: <v04020a0db3421887e54a@[195.14.233.184]>
Hi!
>I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is
>recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was
>recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard
>(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum
machine.
Sue David Prater, the producer. He insisted on having triggered snare drums
on this album.
You record the snare, the signal goes into this MIDI device, and every time
the snare is hit this device triggers (hence the name) a sampler with a
sampled snare drum sound. This way you get a well defined and always
precise snare sound, since it's actually always the same one.
Great idea if you are playing 80s hair rock with huge snare sounds and
boring beats, but a very bad idea if you are playing prog metal with busy
and dynamic drumming. Listen to the end of the middle section of Metropolis
on I&W and compare it to some live recording. On the studio version you
hear full blown snare drum hits, live you hear some fine ghost notes.
Needless to say that Mr. Mike Portnoy wasn't too happy about all this. The
first thing he said to David Prater when they met again for the recording
of ACOS was "no triggered drums!" ;-)
Steffen
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:36:15 -0400
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: A Ytse of Seasons <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Drum Machines
Message-ID: <4.1.19990420085638.00946470@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Niall wants to know:
>I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is
>recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was
>recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard
>(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum
>machine.
Not quite. I&W was recorded with triggered drums (producer David Prater
likes working with triggered drums for some inexplicable reason). This made
all the drum hits sound identical (and also mangled some songs like Met pt.
1 where Mike plays a lot of ghost notes that then became full hits due to
the triggers).
If I remember correctly (and no doubt some wisenheimer will correct me if
I'm wrong) :) it's like this: a recording of each drum being hit is made.
Then the actual drum tracks are laid down. Then the producer goes back over
the tracks and every hit of the snare triggers the recorded snare hit, so
every snare hit sounds the same. I think each tom was triggered as well.
Not surprisingly, this makes for a pretty mechanical drum sound.
Prater also was responsible for the triggered "coffee-can" snare sound on
ACOS. Not sure whether the toms on that disc were triggered also.
ta,
Phil
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-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:40:50 -0400
From: prog <prog@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Drum Machines
Message-ID: <371C91F2.350979C1@yunque.net>
Phil Carter wrote:
> Prater also was responsible for the triggered "coffee-can" snare sound on
> ACOS. Not sure whether the toms on that disc were triggered also.
>
> ta,
> Phil
I dont think the snare on acos was triggered at all...
it sounds like a normal small snare..
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:53:45 -0400
From: Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: DT drum machines...
Message-ID: <371C94F9.2AFB14F8@mtu.edu>
><snip>I was wondering whether I&W was recorded with the use of a drum >machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard (all of the albums they've >produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum machine.
Well, my friend, that's the trigger. AFAIK, Mike only used it (thank
the gods) on I&W. Basically, instead of the sound of the snare being
miked, when Mike hits the snare drum it trips a trigger that record a
pre-existing synthesised drum beat. Which is why every single snare hit
sounds the same on the album. They're good because it's really easy to
record with them, no mic problems, but they suck, as anyone who has
listened to Awake and then I&W right after knows, because they eliminate
all variance from the snare and it sounds super-sterile and, well,
artificial. 'Cause it is. So just listen to LATM when you want to hear
Metropolis with a real snare part. That's what I do...
Josh
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--Dave Hahn, Climber
The box said "Windows 98 or better," so I bought Solaris.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:45:54 -0400
From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: 420
Message-ID: <371CA130.A4ACB09E@ic3.ithaca.edu>
Happy 420 everyone and Happy Birthday Mike Portnoy...I find it really
strange that his birthday is today.
chris
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:51:02 +0200
From: "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Mr. Sandmann
Message-ID: <000d01be8b45$aee99320$0dcc52c3@robsmaskine>
KorgX3 wrote:
>a really cool Speed Metal version of Mr.
>Sandman on it
That would be the very cool Blind Guardian. It's from their "Forgotten
Tales" album containing all sorts of leftovers and remakes from their
earlier albums and stuff. Also, there are two rather amusing speed metal
versions of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann" and "Surfing USA". But I'd
definitely recommend their regular albums.
Rob
NP: Vast - Visual Audio Sensory Theater
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