YTSEJAM Digest 4829
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Depressing songs/bad gigs
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
2) another disc...
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
3) SB: Day For Night
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
4) CONCEPTION "My Decision" played on Howard Stern!!!
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
5) Re: Day For Night
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) AIC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
7) Spock's Beard
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
8) Re: Kevin Moore's chromakey at BORDERS!!!
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
9) Record collections, Lame n' Stale, Derek.
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
10) Re: VAST
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
11) Re: Depressing music
by "Martin Sandberg" <martin_goose_s@hotmail.com>
12) SB-
by "Yan Gonzalez" <korg_74@hotmail.com>
13) NDTC
by AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
14) Re: SB-
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
15) Band stuff (t shirts) online?
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
16) Re: VAST
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
17) subliterary coincidences
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:24:19 -0500
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Depressing songs/bad gigs
Message-ID: <19990425.224103.3558.1.schnapster@juno.com>
Just to add to the depressing songs thread. Two words, Saviour Machine.
Those guys can really get me going with their moody sounds. Maybe moody
would be a better word than depressing to describe them. In particular,
though, their song "A World Alone" (off the first, self-titled CD) just
gets to me.
All this talk about bad gigs reminds me of Henry Rollins "Get in the Van:
On the Road with Black Flag" spoken word album. He had some bad gigs
back in the day. That's a guy/band that paid their dues.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
To: DT list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: another disc...
Message-ID: <19990426041419.12959.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com>
read this:
"In related news,
bassist BILLY SHEEHAN is currently busy mixing the third NIACIN album,
which features guest appearance by GLENN HUGHES and TOTO's Steve Lukather
on one track, and will start recording his first solo album in May. Lending
a hand will be Paul Gilbert, Tony MacAlpine, Terry Bozzio, Steve Smith,
Derek Sherinian, James LaBrie, and Eric Martin. Look for a release via
Magna Carta around November/December."
NP: Savatage-Welcome (boot mp3)
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:21:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: SB: Day For Night
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990426001920.18868A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Okay, based solely on the words of people on this list, I broke down and
ordered Day For Night from CDNow (why CDNow? I had a 10.00 gift
certificate for it). It hasn't even been shipped yet, and I'm anxiously
awaiting it. What kind of music should I expect from this album? Is it
more like Beware of Darkness, or is it a different style? I have heard
BoD and a few tracks off of The Light, but I don't know if they stick to
that or if they change their style around. Is it that same kind of Jethro
Tull-ish music on this album too? If so, then I'm REALLY going to like
it.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:44:02 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: BG Mailing List <blind-guardian@onelist.com>
Subject: CONCEPTION "My Decision" played on Howard Stern!!!
Message-ID: <3723EF12.45BA492B@earthlink.net>
Hail,
Wonder if anyone else picked up on this...
I know I'm a bit late with this but as I was listening to Howard Stern
last
Thursday (4/22) morning I was FROZEN in my tracks as I heard the
supremely
heavy inro. riff to CONCEPTION's "My Decision" track off of "Parallel
Minds"!!! You'll recognize it when you hear it....sick harmonics in
that
one.
Granted the Stern show was using it as bumper music (like DREAM THEATER)
but
I thought it was awesome that millions of people across the states were
listening to CONCEPTION at the same time (not that they would know good
music
if it tore 'em a new ass).
For those who don't know...Howard Stern is a very popular radio
personality
that has a nationally syndicated morning talk show from 6am - 11am that
centers
around tits, making fun of celebrities, tits, porn queens, tits, lesbian
dating
games, and tits. Nothing mindblowing but always managing to bring a
smile
to my face every morning.
Anyway....my co-workers were wondering what the big deal was as I was
freaking out
and blasting the volume..I just couldn't believe it. Maybe next week
they'll
play some RHAPSODY or CHILDREN OF BODOM.
cheers,
Carlo (Fates)
NP: AYREON "The Final Experiment"
--
"When you know that your time is close at hand
maybe then you'll begin to understand
Life down here is just a strange illusion."
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:18:41 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: "Korgie's Angels" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Day For Night
Message-ID: <001401be8fa4$40b0f520$730d84d0@default>
>BoD and a few tracks off of The Light, but I don't know if they stick to
heh. Sorry, that just struck me as funny as there aren't even a few tracks
on The Light. :) Just four. Carry on!
--
KorgX3 is bored and logs onto EverQuest
P.S. I'd answer you SB questions, but I only have "The Light."
Great album by the way.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:42:50 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: AIC
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F4031@ms.kallback.com>
> But has Alice in Chains really broken up?...I thought they were just put
> on hold while Layne Staley goes through another rehab stint.
They just played a gig at The Viper Room in LA a couple weeks ago,
so I guess they're back.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:19:27 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990426011927.00804440@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
>Where do I start with Spock's Beard?
Anywhere. Everywhere. It doesn't matter. You will end up getting all
their releases, just like the rest of us. :)
Seriously though, their latest release, Day For Night, is the most refined
Spock's...Kindness of Strangers is in the same accesability range as DFN.
Their older releases, Beware of Darkness and The Light, are more proggy,
but still very good. They are a little less focused than the first two
I've mentioned. But they are all incredibly good, and I love their
vocalist. Spock's is definitely prog ROCK, not metal. Don't buy this
expecting Symphony X to come blasting through the stereo. Nor are they
much like Dream Theater, other than that they can write some incredible
songs. Their lyrics are quite enigmatic, but after a while make a bit of
sense. They do not opt toward virtuosic displays of their ability. They
tend toward writing songs as a whole, and they are very, VERY good at it.
If DT is a 10, Spock's is a 9, right up there with them. If not a 9, then
a 10. I keep saying they, but generally it is the work of
Spock's is all about the groove, all about the emotion, all about
diversity, all about great musicianship, all about smart and thought
provoking themes, generally all about what we all love in music. Get Day
For Night, and then branch out, I would say. I've been listening to DFN
nonstop since I received it. Great vocal harmonies on this disc too.
Just get Spock's. Take the risk and buy one of their discs. I did and
they are one of my favorites, up there with DT.
Good luck.
Jon
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 99 01:27:30 -0800
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Moore's chromakey at BORDERS!!!
Message-ID: <199904260825.BAA10277@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>this cd is on a BORDERS listening station. this means that if there's one of
>these around town there isnt any reason for you to not take a few minutes
>and take a listen. You can friggin' listen to it to see if you like it for
>free.... you cant beat that mi amigos!!!
This was the present surprise I was treated to at a recent trip to
Borders. Under the "music you can't classify" section. Bought the CD...it
is indeed fantastic. My goodness. Kevin's voice is great...very different
than what I was expecting, but great nonetheless. Part of an excellent
CD-buying sojourn, actually, as I bought Fish's "Raingods with Zippos"
and Rick Wakeman's "Return to the Centre of the Earth" at the same time.
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:36:09 +0100
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: "Caught In a Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Record collections, Lame n' Stale, Derek.
Message-ID: <199904260941.KAA09938@mail1.derby.ac.uk>
> albums in rock & roll history, if you don't think so go ask the guys
> from DT.
This is extremely sad. I don't define the parameters of my record
collection by the bands that DT mentions in interviews. If you do,
you're very sad; and I hope you fuck off and die, since it's exactly
this attitude that allows the music scene to stagnate. I hope that
you are alone on this list in making this mistake.
> local DJ here in Minn. said if you listen closely to his vocals on the
> "Another Brick.." remake, you can tell he's missing his teeth. Now I haven't
> heard the song since he said that, so I don't know if you can actually hear
> that, but also wouldn't he get some fake teeth to wear to prevent "lisping"?
That might go some way to explaining the Shane McGowan take-off.
Seriously, even I could have sung better than that. Even Roger
Waters sung it better than that. All I know is that if I ever run
into Lame, he'll be missing a few more teeth for what he did to this
excellent song.
> We now know what REALLY happened to Derek. He killed Mike, and took over
> his life (a la "Single White Female"). Now Derek's doing the drumming;
> that's why they needed a new keyboardist! Petrucci, watch out, he'll be
> coming for you too!! :)
My theory on what happened: Derek was superceeding JP as the good
looking one and MP as the flamboyant one. Thus, they ditched him in
favour of JR, who threatens them in neither way.
Si
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:44:14 -0400
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: VAST
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990425154414.006f5118@popserver.panix.com>
> I was reading in one of my guitar magazines about a band called VAST or
> Video Audio Sensory Theater. I have seen this band mentioned here a few
> times very recently and was wondering if anyone could tell me more about
> them. In the article I read it said that the guitar player is the
> mastermind of the band and also was a kid prodigy and had albums put out on
> Shrapnel records in the 80's
Haven't heard the music. There seemed to be, er, vastly disparate opinions
on Perpetual Motion. Apparently it's pretty modern stuff. Orchestral techno
or something equally strange. I got the feeling I might like it. The only
other thing I know about it is that my old friend Rowan "Robertsson"
Robertson (we both were in Dio a few years ago) is playing guitar with
them, too.. I talked to him a few months ago, I think he said the band was
thinking about relocating to Europe (?)
SEK 0.16
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:05:57 PDT
From: "Martin Sandberg" <martin_goose_s@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Depressing music
Message-ID: <19990426120557.97722.qmail@hotmail.com>
I realise that it's late in the thread and I haven't read all posts
but I just have to add a marvellous record to the list. Anyone heard
"Painting on glass" by "3rd and the mortal". It's a beautiful album
with tons of atmosphere. Whenever I listen to it I just sit
breathtaken for the whole album, nothing can drag me away.
If you haven't heard it yet go out and get yourself a copy, cause
this baby is great stuff. Turn down the lights and just listen.
NP. Chroma Key - Dead air for radios
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:10:05 PDT
From: "Yan Gonzalez" <korg_74@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: SB-
Message-ID: <19990426121007.71588.qmail@hotmail.com>
Greetings jammerz !
Finally, I got last thursday my copy of Day for nigth.
Love at a fisrt sight (well, ok, first listening.)
Now I realize what someone mean when talking about that smile never
leaving his face when hearing the disc.
Well I have a question. Yesterday, as all sundays, I went to
rehearsal and brought (proudly) my new adquisition..(jeje) When I
showed it to my bandmates, my rythm guitar(and singer) told (at a
very first listening (30 secs. aprox. of DfN) that they're a lot more
comercial now (Uh?) I asked him, You know THIS band?, Yes, he replied
me. I saw a video on MTV.
MMmmmmm, I don't have cable Tv, so I don't watch EmpTvy (is like
that?), but.. really I can't believe that they have clips on rotation
there.
Besides, this is a I-know-everything and all-that-i-like-is-great-and-
all-that-you-like-sucks guy. Just now (like a year after of playing
and knowing him) I finally made him get onto DT (even not that
enthusiastic)
Well, any help will be apreciated. Do SB have clips on MTV ?
See ya !
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:37:23 -0300
From: AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: NDTC
Message-ID: <CB9A835262C6D1118B3B00805FEA2A710162AF92@CORREIO>
Hi there,
I'll be spending part of my vacation in New York City, between the 13th and
19th of May. Can anyone, please, e-mail me *pritately* regarding places to
buy a CD-R burner (and possibly what type) and to buy CDs for lower
prices????
Thanks in advance,
Alex
Curitiba, Brazil
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:16:16 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: SB-
Message-ID: <3724833F.77E3C0BF@pacbell.net>
Yan Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Well, any help will be apreciated. Do SB have clips on MTV ?
>
> See ya !
There are definitely no Spock's Beard videos on Mtv.
SB only has one video available: 'The Spock's Beard Home Movie', which
is of a concert at Club Zeche in Bochum, Germany (Jan 98)... and it's
not commercially available (you can only order it directly from the
band's website).
--
Lisa Marie "Jessie"
ytsegirl@pacbell.net
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:15:04 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Band stuff (t shirts) online?
Message-ID: <199904261516.KAA205930@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Hey Gang-
Is there a good place to go to on the internet to purchase cool shit
such as t-shirts, long sleeves, posters, and so forth? This place of course
would have to handle Dream Theater stuff, but also, I'm looking for Opeth
t-shirts, Maybe Ozric Tentacles...you know. Blue Grape used to do merch,
and maybe still do. Any Thouhgts? Send to ytsejam and to my address (free
mahi mahi...free mahi mahi) if you will.
thanks
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:21:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: VAST
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990426111214.23449A-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
VAST is a one-man project. The guy's name is John Crosby. Apparently,
about 8 years ago, when he was 13, Guitar Player magazine tapped him as
one of the young guitarists to watch or something.
Anyway, the album, which is self-titled, is not a shred-fest or anything
like that. Has some crunchy guitar, but mixes in techno-ish keyboards,
18-piece orchestra samples, gregorian monk work, female choir work, etc.
Reminds me of a mellower Nine Inch Nails or a harder Chroma Key. The
single, called "Touched" is quite awesome, and the rest of the album is
quite good itself. Very good vocals.......
Anyway, some background on the guy. John Crosby as a kid was a fan of
Beatles, Metallica, and then Joe Satriani. He joined a guitar workshop as
a kid and sent a demo tape to the president of Shrapnel, and that's what
brought about the Guitar Player coverage. Anyway, he continued working on
music, and got into the whole electronic music scene, and
finally got a record deal. The album came out last Tuesday.......I would
recommend it for those who enjoy Nine Inch Nails on low-dose Valium, or
Chroma Key........
Hope this helps.......
-Al
On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Robert Newcomb wrote:
>
> I was reading in one of my guitar magazines about a band called VAST or
> Video Audio Sensory Theater. I have seen this band mentioned here a few
> times very recently and was wondering if anyone could tell me more about
> them. In the article I read it said that the guitar player is the
> mastermind of the band and also was a kid prodigy and had albums put out on
> Shrapnel records in the 80's
>
> ThankX
>
> Thorin
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:02:55 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: subliterary coincidences
Message-ID: <19990426170255.86910.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Yes, Theres prog-metal, speed-metal and symphonic influences
>in there (particularly from the Baroque-era composers). The
>singer Fabio is great too.
yeah, but what does he LOOK like? :)
as for the subject, you ever have those instances where some
reference that you haven't heard used in ages all of a sudden start
popping up all over the place, in totally unconnected ways?
Case in Point, the "better to reign in hell, than to serve in Heaven"
bit from Milton's "pairofdice lost"....read it in high school,
thought it was a cool line, forgot about it until this week, when I'm
trawling through the library, and my eyes fall upon a book by William
Diehl (Primal Fear, from which the shitty Richard Gere/Edward Norton
movie was made, Show of Evil).....it's called Reign in Hell, and of
course it references Milton.....
and then the next day (friday), I'm watching a Woody Allen movie
called Deconstructing Harry (funny flick, btw, recommended), and
Woody uses that reference when he's talking to the devil, aka Billy
Crystal.....too bizarre a coincidence.....
and then there's this total non-coincidence....i listened to some DT
for, as far as I know, the first time this year.....Images and Words,
probably because you all were talking about the triggered drums last
week.....well, the triggered drums have never before bothered
me.....it's never really hit me upside the hezd how uniform each of
those snare hits were......
but something changed from all the other times the triggered drums
have been discussed.....someone (more than one actually) DESCRIBED
what was going on with the triggers, what exactly triggered drums
meant.....and so when i went and listened to I&W.....all i could hear
were those maddeningly uniform snares.....took me a couple of songs
to get over it, and then i had to start wondering why on earth I
hadn't listened to any Dream Theater in so darn long......that's a
mystery i fear may never be resolved....
partha
"i was blinded by a pair of dice..."
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