YTSEJAM Digest 5011
Today's Topics:
1) Mini Digest (5005)
by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
2) Dutch Dream Theater Mailinglist
by "Bob Hiemstra" <PortnoyFan@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Ice Age / DT
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
4) Some new abbreviations
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) tommorrow night, the show goes on
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
6) Dream Theater on MTV
by "Justin Sepulveda" <ytsejamdt@hotmail.com>
7) Heavy.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) RE: Dream Theater on MTV
by Josh Watkins <jwatkins@megsinet.net>
9) TRL Live
by Compadre32@aol.com
10) Kubrick
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
11) Shadow Gallery live
by Alexandro Talamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
12) asdf
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
13) Re: Shadow Gallery live
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) RE: Shadow Gallery live
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
15) Re: Shadow Gallery live
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) regarding a band called "toxik"
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
17) what is the opposite of selling out?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:53:17 +0200
From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mini Digest (5005)
Message-ID: <199908022353170660.0197EC68@194.143.224.1>
Hey,
>From: "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg>
>Subject: RE: Zeus
>>Well, if it helps, I was on the right side, in one of the first rows.
>IT WAS ME, MAN! :-))))
As I always say, the world is fucking SMALL.
>I remember you pretty well. :-) Indeed before the
>show they played a couple of unreleased tracks through the PA.
Damit, I always have some problems with these abbreviations.
So what does PA, RTK and BTW mean???
>pretty cool when they played RTK with vocals because nobody knew that song
>and there were constant questions "What the f**k is this?" around me. As
far
>as I remember, there was a crazy guy behind us, who kept on screaming
"Let's
>hear some f**king music!" all the time. :-) Nice crowd. :-))))))))
Yeah, I rememver that guy. He was weird.
He was from Romania and he was pretty drunk...;))))
>Breadfan, Master of Puppets (full version), Of wolf and man, The thing
that
>should not be, Fuel, Memory remains, Bleeding me, Four Horsemen, For whom
>the bell tolls, King nothing, Wherever I may roam, One, Fight fire with
>fire, Nothing else Matters, Sad but true, Creeping death, Die die die my
>darling, Enter sandman, Battery
This sucks. So they played the same night by night?
This is uncool.
>BTW the Bulgarian TV broadcasted the show recenlty. Guess who taped it...
>:-))))
Maaaaaan.
Okay.
Can you send it via post?
I'll give you my home address in priv.
Bye
ZZZZZ
NP: Dream Theater: Lie - Awake
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:45:47 +0200
From: "Bob Hiemstra" <PortnoyFan@hotmail.com>
To: "Dream Theater Mailinglist" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dutch Dream Theater Mailinglist
Message-ID: <19990802224500.90268.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Hello Everybody,
I just wanted to say that al Dutch Dream Theater Fans can now subscribe =
to the Dutch Dream Theater Mailinglist at:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/DutchDT
Or visit the official Dream Theater homepage and subscribe there
Greetings,
Bob Hiemstra
List Owner
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:54:10 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Ice Age / DT
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9908030046250.16085-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> I gotta disagree here. That first riff on Perpetual Child is the
> heaviest riff on the whole album, the rest are quite mild compared to
> that (which isn't necessarily a bad thing.... I kinda like how IA is
<snip>
Okay, my final respond to this subject and then i'll shut up. I agree that
the concerned riff IS the heaviest on the album, that's why I picked it as
an example. As far as I'm concerned, just like someone might say that he
thinks that Symphony X is heavier than DT, I say that I think IA is
heavier. Not only the guitar level and all that, also the overall mood.
It's just a matter of feeling. Let me conclude by saying that without a
doubt I LOVE the Great Divide and that, even yough I said I didn't like
the vocalist too much, I do start to appreciate him after a couple of
listens. Looks like I should check out Styx:-)
> BTW Zaphod.... I'm not trying to be a dick, just giving my opinion.
I know that, Joe:-)
Cheers
Zaphod
|Peter Geerts ICQ:13122363 (weekend) "...And for an encore, Man |
|zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be proved that black is white |
|zaphod@dreamtheater.zzn.com and got himself killed on |
|Political Science Student the next zebra crossing..."|
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:01:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Some new abbreviations
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9908021858190.65038-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt wrote:
> Damit, I always have some problems with these abbreviations.
> So what does PA, RTK and BTW mean???
These are pretty simple: PA stands for "public address" or, to be more
basic, the loudspeakers at a concert. A PA system is used for whenever
sound has to be played "to the public", as it were.
RTK would be "Raise the Knife", if I'm not mistaken? Something which I've
never heard, though...
And finally, BTW means "by the way," as in, "by the way, I think that
blouse you're wearing would look much better rolled up in a ball on my
bedroom floor."
Later.
NP: Symphony X - The Relic
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.home.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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He stands before the window
His shadow slowly fading from the wall
And from an ivory tower hears her call
"Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater "Surrounded"
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:16:51 -0400
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: Pc Audio mailing list <pc-audio@egroups.com>
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com, midi-mag@maelstrom.stjohns.edu
Subject: tommorrow night, the show goes on
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990802210336.009ba6a0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Just wanted to advertise some more that on Tuesday from 8 to 11 pm eastern
time, we are going to do installment 4 of no holds barred radio. If you
have heard us before, or never heard us yet, please tune in and let us know
what you think. We have gotten great reviews, such as, "You guys suck", "go
to hell", and "turn your volume down." Sop, with glowing reviews like that,
why not tune in and see what all the fuss is about. We want to break the 5
listener mark. You can help us do it. JPoint your winamp to
216.32.166.89:8448. You can also check our half-assed web site at
http://members.aol.com/nhbradio3/home.html, or you can see us on the
shoutcast or live365 web sites under the rock genre. Come and see the show.
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:17:28 PDT
From: "Justin Sepulveda" <ytsejamdt@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater on MTV
Message-ID: <19990803011728.70955.qmail@hotmail.com>
I am glad to see at least one person liked the idea of getting Dream Theater
on MTV. I first posted the message that people should go down to the studio
and hold signs representing Dream Theater. I know some of you say that MTV
is a shitty station and that it only appeals to the pop generation. But to
me Dream Theater has an extreme amount of talent and I think they deserve a
little more. I doubt we can get their video played, but my idea was just to
get their name out to more people in the US. I am sure metal fans would be
taken into the DT sound. It's only a matter of time.
Later Jammers,
Justin Sepulveda
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:40:39 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Heavy.
Message-ID: <001901bedd59$9c79ac00$5600fea9@korgx3>
> thinks that Symphony X is heavier than DT, I say that I think IA is
> heavier. Not only the guitar level and all that, also the overall mood.
To clarify what I think Mr. Greets is trying to state. He means heavy as in
the Marty McFly, "Whoah, this is getting pretty heavy, Doc" statement in
which Doc Brown would inevitably reply, "Heavy? Gravity is not the issue
here, Marty!"
Whereas it is merely a slang adjective used to represent the extremity of a
situation, not actually referring to weight, mass, density, not any other
physical attribute. Maybe deeper might be a more correct adjective?
Perhaps. Penisinvagina. But the extent upon how "deep" a band can be
varies from person to person.
Ta. Da.
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:15:51 -0500 From: Josh Watkins <jwatkins@megsinet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Dream Theater on MTV Message-ID: <LOBBKLLBKGCMJBOCOGGHAEINCAAA.jwatkins@megsinet.net>
Not to put a damper on anything but...
I've written to numerous rock and "alternative" radio stations about playing Dream Theater, Savatage, and some other very good Americam metal/hard rock bands. When they bother to reply, it's usually along the lines of..."Thank you for your email, but you need to understand that we are running a business, and no one likes Savatage or Dream Theater." Others have replied in less than friendly tones telling me to take my 80's loving ass and make my own radio station to play my "dead" metal music.
Dream Theater is a great band. All of us here realize that, but this country (USA) is a trendy ass bastard, in every respect from music to clothes. I would live in Sweden where In Flames' Colony debuted at #38 on the Billboards, and Dimmu Borgir wins a Grammy, because I'm really sick of this disgusting surge of New Kids On The Block wannabes (namely the Backdoor Boys), wussy alternative bands singing about the rain, and the r&b/rap music you can't get away from.
Besides, metal fans have already given up on MTV. If they did play "Pull Me Under" or a newer video, we'd all miss it! :)
Josh
-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@ax.com [mailto:ytsejam@ax.com]On Behalf Of Justin Sepulveda Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Dream Theater on MTV
I am glad to see at least one person liked the idea of getting Dream Theater on MTV. I first posted the message that people should go down to the studio and hold signs representing Dream Theater. I know some of you say that MTV is a shitty station and that it only appeals to the pop generation. But to me Dream Theater has an extreme amount of talent and I think they deserve a little more. I doubt we can get their video played, but my idea was just to get their name out to more people in the US. I am sure metal fans would be taken into the DT sound. It's only a matter of time.
Later Jammers, Justin Sepulveda
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:40:43 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TRL Live Message-ID: <c70f0e17.24d7cccb@aol.com>
I saw we vote for "Hollow Years" just because it would get folks into the shit at first. I know for a fact that they truly do play the most requested videos. One day, as a joke, a bunch of jokesters online requested New Kids "Hangin tough" and eMpTyV played it as well as "Ice Ice Baby" on a seperate occasion. This TRL shit would be an interesting way to fuck with the brainwashed Korn fans of america (BKFA). Just go to mtv.com and find the query and VOTE FOR OFB!~
-Compadre32 speaks
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:55:14 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kubrick Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990802235514.007ef7b0@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
way off topic I know but I need to know if someone on this list likes Stanley Kubrick's movies...
please email me privately...
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Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- http://welcome.to/thenetdom
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:52:21 -0300 From: Alexandro Talamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Shadow Gallery live Message-ID: <CB9A835262C6D1118B3B00805FEA2A710162B1BB@CORREIO>
I asked:
>Are you sure??? Do mean Shadow Gallery doesn't tour regularly?? >How about Magellan, Tempest?? >
Carol answered:
>> No...Shadow Gallery does not tour regularly. Infact Shadow >> Gallery as a band has not played out live at all.
I ask again:
WHY??? Is there any special reason???
Alex Curitiba, Brazil
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:11:14 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> To: "DT Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: asdf Message-ID: <001a01beddb1$aa45bec0$76035a8c@noaa.gov.nws>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 08:15:50 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery live Message-ID: <001201b82408$bbee8d00$0201010a@chuck.meserver.com>
>>> Gallery as a band has not played out live at all. >WHY??? Is there any special reason???
Well, I think the biggest reason is because of funding. I don't think that Magna Carta funds any of its bands at all for touring. Now, touring can be great, yes. Sell merchandise, make money from admittance and such, but the problem is, touring takes quite a bit of overhead that alot of people can't afford to pay out of their own pockets (mobilization of alot of equipment, gas, lodging, creating merchandise to sell). I don't see how Enchant ever did it. AFAIK, they were about the only group from MC that ever really toured, but even then, it wasn't much. Just a couple of dates in the California area and a short time opening for DT last year in Europe.
What funding Enchant had for this I can only assume came from Inside Out maybe, their distributor in Europe. *shrugs* But then, on Shadow Gallery's part, they've never really had a drummer until this last album, as well. Hopefully this latest guy sticks around. :) -- KorgX3 NP: Savior Machine - Carnival of Souls.mp3
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:03:33 +0200 From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Shadow Gallery live Message-ID: <000801beddc9$bc612280$0100007f@localhost>
KorgX3 wrote about Enchant:
> AFAIK, they were about the only group from MC that ever > really toured, but even then, it wasn't much. Just a > couple of dates in the California area and a short time > opening for DT last year in Europe.
They opened for Dream Theater during the Fix for '97 mini tour in Europe. And in 1998 they opened for Spock's Beard and a few times for Marillion...both also in Europe.
I know, 'cuz I was there. ;-) The coolest thing was when Steve Rothery (Marillion's brilliant guitarist) got up on stage and jammed with Enchant in Rotterdam...
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 11:08:44 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery live Message-ID: <000801b82420$de9a5ba0$0201010a@chuck.meserver.com>
> I know, 'cuz I was there. ;-) The coolest thing was when > Steve Rothery (Marillion's brilliant guitarist) got up on > stage and jammed with Enchant in Rotterdam...
Oooh, yah. :) I've often wondered what the relationship between Steve and Enchant is... Considering he produced half of the songs on their first album, he must be friends with someone in the band, or a cool uncle, or something. :) -- KorgX3 NP: Toto - Rosanna.mp3
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:33:38 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: regarding a band called "toxik" Message-ID: <19990803173339.26405.qmail@hotmail.com>
(hang with me, there's a point, eventually)
screwing around on ebay, got me a 15 tape metal band lot....some of the stuff i had before, like QR-Empire, Savatage-Edge of thorns, and fates warning - perfect symmetry (so if you've been looking for cassette versions of those.....)
i also got stuff from bands i know about but don't have anything from, like anthrax, armored saint, and testament (if that m-band sold out, what do you call what Alex Skolnick has done?)
the best category, of course, is the stuff from bands i've never heard of, like Riot, Fifth Angel, and Toxik....the riot tape is damn cool, what with a cover of DiMeola's race with devil on a spanish highway, plenty of samples running in and out of their songs, and a kind of proto-metalprog thing going on (just tendencies, mind you, most people would probably write that off as metalhead overindulgences)
but i want to ask if anyone know anything about the band toxik....i got two of their tapes, both roadrunner records product from the late 80s....even though i'm not too big on their music, i regained a measure of respect when i read some of the people they thanked in their liner notes....on one tape, it included Bill and Opus - Deathtongue (i've many times expressed my appreciation of the work of one Berkely Breathed on this forum and many others)
and on the other, on a tape released in 1989, they thank a band called "Dream Theatre".......anyone know any story about how that came about? a tour together in the early days, perchance, or common Berklee roots, maybe? Mr. Portnoy?
partha
np: nothing but monkeys
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:45:43 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: what is the opposite of selling out? Message-ID: <19990803174543.86404.qmail@hotmail.com>
i just mentioned Skolnick in the last post, as a reference to his going from metallica style thrash with Testament in the 80s (good stuff, say I) to funky jazz stylings (if what i hear about attention deficit is true -- haven't heard the disc myself).......
and i was wondering, what is the opposite of selling out? is that something like committing commercial suicide? or is it more like Kevin Moore leaving DT to go do the kind of stuff he really wants to do (in other words, commercial suicide, unless that borders thing works out)
is it possible to be commercially viable while doing the opposite of selling out? I'm of the opinion that any musician that is selling his art is to some degree, no matter how miniscule, selling out some pportioon of his or her soul when it comes time to offer that art out to the world in exchange for monetary reward, but that's just me....
under my theory, does the fact that Great White and Ratt (as heard last night on Rockline (I didn't know Bob Coburn was still alive, frankly)), are still making raucous records even after having basically dropped off of everybody's radars for basically this whole decade, mean that they've accomplished that goal of anti-selloutism?
and as far as DT99 goes, if it's as (subjectively speaking) GOOD as we are hoping it to be, does that automatically doom it to critical and commercial failure? Does the fact that DT is making that album that they've always wanted to make give it that anti-sellout status regardless of whatever creative control they've relinquished due to record company request in the past (anyone remember Desmond Child?)
don't mind me too much, I'm just in one of pseudo-philosophical moods, ranting my way as i stomp on every dandelion patch i can find
partha
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