YTSEJAM Digest 5013
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Stanley Kubrick
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
2) Re: opposite of selling out
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
3) Selling out is hard work.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
4) Re: opposite of selling out
by Padawan Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
5) Re: Selling out is hard work.
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
6) Project Update
by "Stickmaster D." <stickmaster@hotmail.com>
7) TR Live - a much better idea / Kubrick
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
8) re: Ice Age (AOR)
by "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5012
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
10) Radio in Sweden sucks! & ACOS
by "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@telia.com>
11) Re: Ytse Island
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
12) Some new stuff in my CD player
by "Gallop, Neil" <nga@software-ag.de>
13) Vlatko Stefanovski
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:58:07 -0300
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Stanley Kubrick
Message-ID: <19990804005807.A1196@iname.com>
On Aug 03 1999, Portnoy420@aol.com wrote:
>
> <<<way off topic I know but I need to know if someone on this list likes
> Stanley Kubrick's movies...>>>
>
> He was and always will be MY GOD.....
> (see my favorites lists in "about Mike" at mikeportnoy.com)
> Didn't anybody notice our opening theme music from the FII tour?
Indeed, it was the Clockwork Orange theme.
I have mentioned this waaay back, but if any of you haven't
seen his "The Shining" yet, please stop reading your e-mails
and go watch this incredible movie. The last scenes are among
my all-time favorites, for they're so perfectly crafted.
And Jack Nicholson is perfect in his role (that is what you
get when you have both a perfectionist director and an actor
with a great deal of excellence in his field).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@iname.com - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:36:25 -0500 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: opposite of selling out Message-ID: <l03130300b3cd7e266f48@[128.83.251.130]>
this here is a pretty interesting thread... selling out is tough to spot. I remember reading something about green day being called sellouts at a concert the day after they signed a major label contract, even tho' their music didn't change a bit that day. one thing to keep in mind, tho', is that some people want to make the music that is popular. Korn was playing their style of music long before it became popular, and I can't tell much difference btwn their first album and their most recent. also, I'm not sure what to think about "artistic integrity" and getting paid for your music and all that. personally, I would love for my band to have a record at #1, raking in millions of dollars. Getting paid to play guitar every nite in front of a bunch of people would be a dream come true. however, I don't want to go out of my way to specifically write a "pop hit."
damn... I just had a brain fart, and I can't think any more. g'nite everybody!
Jim Shields Guitar/vocals - Room 213 (www.room213.com) Now Officially a Radio-TV-Film Student!
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:09:56 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Selling out is hard work. Message-ID: <002d01bede40$19963460$af09fea9@korgx3>
> selling out is tough to spot. I remember reading something about green day > being called sellouts at a concert the day after they signed a major label
See, I don't think that making money writing music is selling out. Shit, any person in the world would be ecstatic making money just for doing what they like to do. The only problem, I've noticed, is that once you get paid for doing what you like to do, it becomes a job. And once this "job" doesn't make you as much money as you wanted it to, you begin to lose interest altogether.
I think this is where people start to lose track, no matter the occupation. Once you start considering it work, it begins to become the last thing you want to do. :\ Maybe this is why artists change so much and sometimes so abruptly. The idea that making more money might bring back the love of your job lingers in your mind, but money never helps. I think sometimes the bands in Magna Carta have it best. I doubt they make much for their albums. Alot of them probably still have to work day jobs, but they hit their target audience, and the people that listen to them love them for their music, not their image. Personally, I think that's gotta be more rewarding than cash anyday. :)
'Nuff said -- KorgX3 NP: Def Leppard - Euphoria
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:22:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Padawan Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: opposite of selling out Message-ID: <19990804072240.17418.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com>
--- Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> wrote: > > however, I don't want to go out of my > way to specifically write > a "pop hit."
I know you didn't mention DT in your post. I only bring them up as a common reference and to illustrate a point (although I'm tired, so bear with me).
I often wonder if people would've called DT sell outs if FII had been a success. It seems to be okay for DT to write a song like "Anna Lee" as long as it bombs like so many German warships during WWII, but if it's a success, then they sold out.
I think in a tendy and label-loving material world like the one we live in today, people want to feel like they belong to something. The trendy people look down on the non-conformists as being losers. The non-conformists look down on the trendy people as being sheep. Who's right?
Forgive me if this post makes no sense, I've re-written it about a thousand times using a thousand different points, but I'm tired now and I'm going to bed. So I apologize in advance. === *Trent
"Here he comes, he's a man of the land he's Leatherman, smile on his face, axe in his hand." Eddie Vedder, '98
- Metropolis Online - http://members.xoom.com/el_trento _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:44:03 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Selling out is hard work. Message-ID: <37A7EF43.F04E17B1@imap1.asu.edu>
Korg Ecksthrey thus spake:
The only problem, I've noticed, is that once you get paid for doing what you like to do, it becomes a job. And once this "job" doesn't make you as much money as you wanted it to, you begin to lose interest altogether. ---
This is the most sense I think I've ever read out of you. Are you okay? Are you still using your Juiceman juice extractor? I haven't seen such sense since that wild Toxic Sock kiwi strawberry shake I made a couple months ago.
--- I doubt they make much for their albums. Alot of them probably still have to work day jobs, but they hit their target audience, and the people that listen to them love them for their music, not their image. Personally, I think that's gotta be more rewarding than cash anyday. :) ---
But you have to admit...it still looks like a hell of a lot of fun to be on the stage in front of a stadium full of drunken fans who sing every word of every song you're performing :)
~Eckie shouts, "SCREAM FOR ME, YTSEJAM!"
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:05:27 +0200 From: "Stickmaster D." <stickmaster@hotmail.com> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Project Update Message-ID: <19990804080258.51951.qmail@hotmail.com>
Howdy,
Here is a little update about my project. Last weekend Marcel, me and the bassplayer (Rob) dit some really cool jamming at my studio. Things went really well. Way beyond anyone's expectations. We recorded 2 10-minute jams, 1 5-minute jam and a we finished one complete song. I'm not going to go into it too much but I can tell you that song is heavy! 7-string guitar kicks ass! As it looks now Marcel and Rob are going do do some writing at home and we'll be meeting again in a few weeks. Some vocal stuff should be finished by then too. For more details check out my website at http://www.xs4all.nl/~dl , go to the "SOLOPROJECT" section. I added some pictures of the "band"-members. And please sign my guestbook! Now I gotta run cuz the keyboardplayer kan be here any minute now!
Thanx and catch y'all later,
Dennis Leeflang
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www.xs4all.nl/~dl | ICQ: 21285351 | dl@xs4all.nl
"I feel very empowered by my vulnerabilities" ~ Alanis Morissette
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 04:48:37 -0500 From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TR Live - a much better idea / Kubrick Message-ID: <37A80C75.D25@earthlink.net>
> From: Compadre32@aol.com > I saw we vote for "Hollow Years" just because it would get folks into the > shit at first.
I've got a much better idea. Why don't you stop watching the damn channel? If you don't watch it, you don't get irritated about what they play (or don't play).
And as a PS to the Kubrick question - I first was blown away by what he did with "The Shining." Since then I have watched most of his movies, and I have decided that he was brilliant. If you can track it down, get a copy of the "Making of The Shining" documentary that Vivian Kubrick made. It's got some fantastic moments, including Kubrick, his mom, and Jack Nicholson sitting at a table talking about stuff.
Take care, Mark Peters, whose stupid webpage is now active at http://home.earthlink.net/~epididymisle/index.html
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 05:54:14 -0400 From: "Art Ellis" <artellis@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Ice Age (AOR) Message-ID: <000701beae70$35adb7e0$3d21f7a5@pbcustomer>
<<<I think the world that best describes is 'progressive AOR' they have the heaviness of prog metal, yet the melody of AOR. AOR = Adult Oriented Rock gaz>>>>
I've always understood AOR to stand for "Album-Oriented Rock", as in, if a radio stations format is AOR, they play album cuts, not just singles
~~Art
www.joestump.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:58:00 EDT From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5012 Message-ID: <8fe2a003.24d968a8@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/3/99 10:21:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Yeah yeah yeah-- it's great to buy a CD and think that you're doing > the artist a service, but the fact of the matter is that you spend > $12 to $18 on a CD, and the artist only gets $2.50. Screw that. First of all, $2.50 is $2.50 more than they get when you buy used CDs and/or download material from the web (although look for the second one to change very soon). And second of all, where do you derive this $2.50 figure from? Each artist has a unique record contract with the record company in which the label agrees to pay the artist a percentage of the suggested retail list price of an album. There are escaltions and descalations worked into the contract which change the amount of money you receieve based on how much your CD is sold for. And thirdly, in actuality $2.50 is a bit high, unless you've achieved a faior amount of success (or had a really good lawyer). Also, it should be noted that everything I just talked about is for performance royalties only, meaning the money you receieve for appearing on a record. There's also the amount payable to the writers of the songs on the CDs themselves, which is a whole seperate issue, which, if you were smart in drafting your contract, the record company would have nothing to do with.
So, up 'till now record companies exist because bands are incapable of doing all the work right?
To a certain extent, yes. The whole point of a record company is to make and sell records. With the advent of CD-R and CD-RW, along with the availabilty of sophisticated home studio technology, artists no longer need a label to "make" their albums for them. Remember the days when having your own CD meant something? Now, alot of the clubs, A&R people, and radio people only accept CDs from unsigned artists. The "selling" aspect of the record business is really all the industry has left going for it. The labels have much more money to get your song played on the radio stations that count than the average artist (we're not talking local "talent" shows), as well as to get your product in nearly every store across the country, plus make sure that once it's in the store it doesn't get lost in the pile of new releases by the other major labels. The artist can do alot of this himself through hiring independent promotion, publicists, selling records on consignment in stores or through a web site. But nowhere near the extent that labels can. But make no mistake about it, the industry is scared shitless about it. Not so much on the basis of what has already been accomplished, but what the implications are once the internet becomes more widespread and accessible. That's why you see the various record conglomorates, electronics manufacturers, and anybody else with a stake in the game scrabbling to figure out how the encode mp3 files, charge for downloads, etc. Industry people will most likely downplay all these implications in interviews so as to not create a panic among their shareholders, but there's going to be a lot of action in this area for the next couple of years.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:13:04 +0200 From: "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@telia.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Radio in Sweden sucks! & ACOS Message-ID: <001d01bede61$f3d6fee0$0d01a8c0@telegate.se>
>From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <skarre@2.sbbs.se> > >Josh Watkins wrote: > >> I would live in Sweden where In Flames' Colony debuted at #38 on >> the Billboards, and Dimmu Borgir wins a Grammy... > >It's no better here Josh. We can't listen to the radio here either -( Maybe we >should buy an island somewhere for all the Ytsejammers. We could all liv= e on >this "Ytse Island" and have our own radio station. >
Anders! You CAN listen to radio here! At least once a month!
PROG-O-RAMA is Sweden's only (?) progressive/symphonic/psychedelic/heavy rock/metal/fusion radio show. The first Saturday of every month, 11-12 AM. The frequency: 95,3 MHz Stockholms Studentradio. You'll hear everything f= rom Cynic to Pink Floyd, Sparks to Mountain, Return To Forever to Phish and Metal Church to It Bites.
We'll be back on the air in September. Also, look out for a e-zine, and possibly a PROG-O-RAMA club, in Stockholm sometime soon. We'll play cool music, have live bands and offer the fantastic cigarillos PROGRAMA, which= is the Danish Queen's favourite. ;-) Our celebration of the 25th anniversary= of Deep Purple's California Jam earlier this spring was a success and we wan= t to continue that. We're also looking for someone to host real audio radio for us, please let us know if you've got any hints.
Check out http://progorama.web.com for updates.
And as far as the vox on ACOS. There were some overdubs on ACOS, not just vocals. If you compare the tracks (I'm not able to right now) from the official release, the DTIFC stuff and the bootleg Uncovered you'll find b= oth bass, guitar and vocal parts re-recorded, but in some instances maybe jus= t mixed differently than from the live performance. For instance, James mic was out for the beginning of Love Lies Bleeding, so it's hard to know if they re-recorded or if they took what's in the board and didn't come thro= ugh the PA. I'm sure someone has got all the details... James did sound very good though, on the raw recordings themselves, but you gotta understand t= hat it is a tad harder to sing on a regular stage, maybe outdoors, moving aro= und and having people throw bottles of piss at you, than to do it in a jazz c= lub setting, like ACOS was.
/Mats
NP: K=E5re & The Cavemen - Long Day's Flight Til Tomorrow ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mats.rydstrom@slitz.se - lordrosse@yahoo.com http://www.slitz.se - http://www.mp3.com/lordrosse
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:38:57 +0200 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Ytse Island Message-ID: <005901bede6f$8563d100$5ee91dc3@sasa>
>From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
>Maybe we should buy an island somewhere for all the Ytsejammers. We could all live on this "Ytse Island" and >have our own radio station.
wouldn`t that be great! our own TV, radio, music stores... man it would be an island for prog like Monte Carlo for gambling and formula 1! wow...
stop me! :-))) before i get too carried away!
long live ytse tribe! :-)))
"Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr ICQ UIN - 6098813 http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:55:54 +0200 From: "Gallop, Neil" <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Some new stuff in my CD player Message-ID: <005355AD0596D211B4F30000F81B0D32B85C24@daemsg01.software-ag.de>
Hi all
some more reviews to brighten up your day.
HOLLENTHON - Domus Mundi (Napalm Records - NPR 067)
Hollenthon is essentially Martin Schirenc, ex of Pungent Stench, and with Domus Mundi he has created one of the most interesting black/gothic/metal albums that I have heard for years. The music covers a wide range of styles, contains a multitude of influences and makes use of a wide range of instruments from heavy riffing guitars to bagpipes and tin whistles. There are also some very good choral sections a la Therion. Basically melodic balck metal, there are healthy portions of oriental/celtic melodies and sounds in there, in addition to some tribal stuff that almost sounds like Sepultura. Sometimes I can almost hear early Skyclad, and then I am reminded of the promising Irish band Waylander. This album is epic, intense and mystical without straying too far from its black roots. Fast double bass passages are mixed with screams, chants and cookie monsters before Irish gigs cut in and you are whisked away to dance with fairies who then come up with some beautiful and very melodic choral vocals. Almost impossible to pigeon-hole, but certainly most interesting. 9/10
SAMAEL - Eternal (Century Media - 77185-2)
When they think of Switzerland, most people think of numbered bank accounts, mountains and Swiss army knives. I, however, think of Samael, and I believe a lot of others will too, once they have got their ears around this great album. There are several examples around of bands moving away from the original sound/concept, some successfully (Tiamat, Anathema), other not quite so successful (Paradise Lost, Metallica). Samael have come a long way from their early satanic/black days, and it has done them only good. Some people thought the band's last highlight "Passage" was too mechanical, with much of the music depending heavily on the drum machine and Xy's programming. "Eternal" is much slicker, and the songs are smoother. It is still unmistakably Samael, but the band and the music has matured. The sequencer and keyboard arrangements are majestic and sweeping, providing an ideal backdrop for some very solid and chunky guitar work and also for Vorph's inimitable voice. The precision with which the songs are delivered is almost clinical, but althought the overall atmosphere is mechanical, cold and dark, there is an undertone that suggests warmth and hope. The songs are now much more varied in their structure and the speed at which they are played, which makes the album easy to listen to (older albums like "Blood Ritual" are still very good but can be very arduous listening). The majestic and bombastic touches are still there, as are the rasping guitar sounds, and Xy has advanced to the level of master of the drum machine. An excellent example of a band successfully redefining themselves. The only problem with an album this good is that it will be very difficult to follow. My favourites are "The Cross" with its ball-grabbing intro, and "Supra Karma" with goose-pimple inducing pizzicato keyboards. And although I don't usually care about the artwork much, this album comes in a superb digipak. 10/10
THE BRONX CASKET CO - The Bronx Casket Co (Massacre Records - MAS 0188)
Tired of waiting for the new Type O Negative album? Looking for something almost as intense as Tool's "Aenima"? Hankering after some dark and doomy Sabbathesque riffs? Look no further - The Bronx Casket Co (got to like that name) is the answer to your problems. The band is a side project consisting of members from Overkill, The Misfits, Seven Witches and Shotgun Symphony, and the guys have hit it off in style. A bit faster than Type O and not quite so whacked out as Tool, they produce some very gloomy songs from the crypt. You can almost feel the cold mist creeping from the white marble tomb on some of these songs. Very atmospheric stuff, with some occasional spoken samples. Spy on vocals does a grand job. The second song "Change The World" is a perfect doom/goth track with a very cool bass line, some eerie piano and a nice riff progression. The influence/sound of Life Of Agony can't be denied either. Song number 4 "No Miracles" starts of with a child's musical box unwinding, with the melody being taken over by the bass guitar - a very nice effect. All in all a very sepuchural album with some great songs on it. My only gripe is that I'm not too keen on the cover of Metallica's song "Jump In The Fire", but this is more than compensated by other tracks such as "Vampire War" which could almost have be stolen from Pete Steele (real creepy keyboards). I can't wait to here this on a cold and foggy winter evening. 9/10
NOTE: I've had quite a few people asking if they can use my reviews in ezines or whatever: no problem, just let me know you are doing it, and where I can find the web pages in question.
Happy 99th birthday, Queen Mum!
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: MY INSANITY - Still Dreams In Violent Areas
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:48:16 +0200 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Vlatko Stefanovski Message-ID: <000901bede77$c3c9a840$23e91dc3@sasa>
hi! in case anyone`s interested, i`ve uploaded an mp3 of Vlatko Stefanovski, encoded in 128 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo, file size is 3.2 megs. URL is: http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com/Stefanovski.zip get ready for some 5/8 rhythm all the way through!
p.s. you know the drill: upon download, unzip the file and change the extension to mp3. That`s all, enjoy!
"Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr ICQ UIN - 6098813
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