YTSEJAM Digest 5017
Today's Topics:
1) VG prog
by Jimbojorda@aol.com
2) Re: Actually I find Ice Age to be similar to Boyz II Men! What? Wanna fight?
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
3) Re: what am I?
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
4) messups
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
5) Looking for all the dream theater music vids
by "Mark Scott" <strength@bpwebs.com>
6) Re: Looking for all the dream theater music vids
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
7) RE: Prog in the most unlikely places
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
8) Europe/Ytseland
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
9) Ytse Island
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
10) The Blair Witch Project...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5016
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
12) Reviews and comments
by "Gallop, Neil" <nga@software-ag.de>
13) Re: FUCK ME IN THE ASS: MAIDEN CANCELS
by Tom Tubbiola <ttubbiola@earthlink.net>
14) Re: Vanessa-Mae
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
15) Roland Users Group Newsletter
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
16) DT reference
by "TheCowGod ." <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
17) Derek Sherinian on ESP disc (?)
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
18) Maiden...
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
19) Re: DT reference
by Andrew James Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
20) Re: DT reference
by "TheCowGod ." <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:22:27 EDT
From: Jimbojorda@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: VG prog
Message-ID: <d21232fe.24dbd923@aol.com>
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Very true!! In fact, when I play a DT song such as Metropolis for a friend
who is curious, the most frequent comment is "this sounds like a video game"
(during the crazy instrumental sections). This could have something to do
with the electronic/keyboard sound textures, but I also think it is the prog
style of composition. Japan is quite receptive to prog metal, and most video
games are designed in Japan. Hmmmm. In fact, the first place I heard of Dream
Theater was back in 1992 or so, in a video game magazine called Gamefan.
Thanks for the Castlevania MP3 link, I'm gonna check it out now.
________
NP: Steve Tibbetts -- The Fall of Us All
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:37:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Actually I find Ice Age to be similar to Boyz II Men! What? Wanna fight?
Message-ID: <19990806063712.26195.rocketmail@web305.yahoomail.com>
--- CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> wrote:
> Nope, I'm not upset at all! :) Jokitalo ... Japanese?=20
No, but I gotta admit it sounds like Jap...I'm from Finland. (ha,
right, like you wanted to know :-)
> Anyway, so you think this was conversation? :) Do you dare to even
> say
> it's a FRUITFUL one? :)=20
Okay, so you got me wrong. I wasn't posting about THAT thread, just
generalizing the opinion-share thingie...But hey, I might have got you
wrong that time, so let's just leave this, if I did.
=3D=3D=3D
Janne Jokitalo
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Homepage: http://www.jyu.fi/~jajokita
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: what am I?
Message-ID: <19990806064023.13950.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com>
--- Andreas Skarin - SDTS <skarre@2.sbbs.se> wrote:
> Any other former Europe fans on the jam?
Hmm...dare I raise my hand ?? :-) Yes, I listened to their Final
Countdown - album. Actually, liked some of it's songs. Heard that John
Norum made some solo albums after Europe split. How are they ? Anyone
listened to them ?=20
=3D=3D=3D
Janne Jokitalo
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:46:40 -0500
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: messups
Message-ID: <000d01bedfd7$705c1c40$c53088cf@jammer>
Metallica did that at every show on the tour...
]From: shams <shams@drik.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metallica vdo
hi guys,
I was just watching a metallica vdo called clever stunts or somthing. well
neat
the end some guy was climbing up the light rig and came down hanging from a
cable.
then the whole mid section of the lighting rig crashed! there was a guy on
fire
and soem other people flying. Jamez said "what the fu*k and then all the
lights
went out. Paramedics were helping the guy on fire.
So was it really a stunt or the screw ups really happened? Oh and it was a
show in
Fortworth Tx.
after every thing cooled down the band came up with some combo amps and
finished
the show.
Anyone know about this?
-Shams
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:48:58 -0700
From: "Mark Scott" <strength@bpwebs.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Looking for all the dream theater music vids
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:00:36 +0200
From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Looking for all the dream theater music vids
Message-ID: <37AA9624.CA20E31D@2.sbbs.se>
Mark Scott wrote:
> I hear DT has some vids (MTV style)... I have yet to see ANY of them. If =
> you have them, I would like to buy copies of them (: Just email me. =
> Thanks
I thought we settled this already!? Buy OIAL and/or IAW - LIVE IN TOKYO. They
are both available on CDnow!
Cheers!
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater Sallskapet
http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:skarre@2.sbbs.se
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:17:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Prog in the most unlikely places
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990806011430.27145A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Hehe... funny, I always called Symphny X "Castlevania Music". Royal Hunt
is good for moments too (track 3 off of Paradox at the 3:02 mark *is*
Castlevania, man!). And Martial Arts? Man oh man.
I wish Konami or Square would hire SX or RH for their soundtracks to
Castlevania or Einhander II or whatever. Video games need good,
high-quality neo-classical metal. Amen.
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 01:15:01 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Europe/Ytseland
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F45EE@ms.kallback.com>
> YIKES, count me out pal! :)
Yea!!! Count me in pal! Europe kicks ass!!! :o) Cherokee is my
favorite
song. Any other former Europe fans on the jam?
I like 'em! I hear thier influence in the earlier Royal Hunt albums as well.
I haven't heard any of their (Europe) solo stuff though. How is it?
> This Ytse Island-idea made me think: "I wonder how many
> black/colored/afroamericans/whatever people there would be..."
There would be some cool prog brothers like Doug Pinnick there.
Oh wait, he's gay and woudn't be allowed on the island. :)
Trevor
"The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw."
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 05:21:48 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytse Island
Message-ID: <37AAB73C.AB4115B9@isd.net>
"indii" wrote:
>With volume magnitudes in the 115 db range (audio engeneering arranged
>by Al sponsered by Rotel), they will be forced to gag
No way, Beavis! With the collective cash flow of the entire Jam, we'd be using
Rotel gear in elevators. As much as I recommend Rotel, I don't actually own
any of their gear, but for the price, it's VERY hard to beat.
Ytse-tunes:
Amplification and line selection by: Bryston, or Krell.
Digital by: Wadia Digital, or Theta.
Speakers by: Me! I do build some impressive shit. /Me pats self on back :)
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:13:35 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Blair Witch Project...
Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B02D88A@bham-xchg>
Hey,
If you haven't seen this movie - go now.
If you have - how do you sleep at night...?
Dave (a UK jammer - still here).
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:25:35 EDT
From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5016
Message-ID: <19990806122535.7454.qmail@hotmail.com>
>So..... how does that phrase go? "Once is an accident, twice is a
>coincidence, three times is a trend"? Something like that, anyway.....
>
>Maybe dropping out of Berklee really IS a fucking guarantee!!! :-)
Wow!
At the end of last semester, I ran out of money and had to drop out of
Berklee. You can all feel free to start worshipping me now before the
multitudes catch on! ; )
kevin
the artist formerly known as keham@student.berklee.edu
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:19:30 +0200
From: "Gallop, Neil" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Reviews and comments
Message-ID: <005355AD0596D211B4F30000F81B0D32B85C4B@daemsg01.software-ag.de>
Hi all
first some reviews than a couple of comments.
PRIMORDIAL - A Journey's End (Misanthropy Records - 015)
What would Opeth sound like if they had been exposed
to the celtic influences of Ireland in their early
years? Pretty much like Primordial I guess. Complex,
avant garde arrangements, good and varied vocals,
some Floydian touches, acoustic passages that remind
me of Ulver from time to time, and everything executed
very professionally. Add some traditional Irish
instruments, lots of atmosphere and some distinctly
black metal parts and you end up with a very interesting
and promising album. Parallels to Waylander are obvious,
but the sound is very different - this album can be much
more melancholy, especially the song "Solitary Mourner".
The final and instrumental track "On Aistear Deirneach"
is a fitting way to close the album and a track that
leaves me wanting more. 8/10
SPIRIT CARAVAN - Jug Fulla Sun (Tolotta Records - TOL04)
Spirit Caravan is the new group of Wino, mastermind,
singer and guitarist of the legendary Obsessed. He sings
like Ozzy and Lemmy had a sexual encounter sometime (he
almost looks like Lemmy too, but without the warts).
Doomy riffs abound, fuzz and wah-wah pedals help create
a wonderful, warm gut-wrenching wall of sound and the
whole album is very trippy (but not as wigged out as
e.g. Cathedral or Electric Wizard). This album proves
that doom doesn't have to be dark and depressing. The
bass player and the drummer do an excellent job of
providing Wino with enough space for some very solid
guitar solos. Songs vary from mid-tempo doom/hard rock
to slow down-tuned killers like "Lost Sun Dance". This
album simply grooves. Very honest and no bullshit.
My favourite doom/stoner/desert album of the summer.
Hence 10/10.
Count me out for living on the Ytse-Island. Life would
get pretty boring pretty quick just listening to prog
all day, with nobody but other prog-heads to talk to,
regardless of their gender.
The opposite of selling out is buying in - obvious.
I don't really think that many small bands make money
when they tour in support slots. They get to sleep in
the tour bus for free, get food and possibly booze
paid for, and that's usually it. Mecrchandising may
bring in a bit, but my guess is that the members of
support bands often make a loss (taking vacation as well
in order to tour). Ask the guys from Superior or Vanden
Plas and I'm sure they'll confirm this.
Thies - bitte melde Dich: vielleicht koennen wir uns
treffen am Dienstag auf dem Konzert von Apokalyptika
in Darmstadt.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: GARDEN OF DELIGHT - Symbol And Vision
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:50:43 -0700
From: Tom Tubbiola <ttubbiola@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FUCK ME IN THE ASS: MAIDEN CANCELS
Message-ID: <37AAF63F.5A3D899B@earthlink.net>
I was at that show in LA. Bruce tried to put dave up on his shoulders but it didn't
quite work and dave went flying into the orchestra pit. It was kind of funny. You
couldn't tell he was hurt at the time.
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:11:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Vanessa-Mae
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.9908061109150.9613-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Sasha wrote:
> >NP: Vanessa Mae - The Violin Player
>
> looky, looky what have we got here! Vanessa Mae fan... and i was scared
> shitless to say that i attended her concert! :-))). Hey, mr. Korg where
> you`re from? i noticed a while back you even had Loreena McKennitt in your
> "now playing" section. You gotta be from somewhere in Europe, right? cause
> as far as i know, Vanessa hasn`t conquered USA yet? or am i wrong?
You'd be surprised at the musical range of some Americans! :) I'm from
the US and have Mckennitt and Mae in my CD changer every so often as well.
I'm sure that a lot of people on here have Loreena McKennitt stuff. As
for Vanessa Mae, not really sure, but it's pretty easy to get her albums,
and I personally know of 4 or 5 people just in my area that like her....
-Al
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:51:16 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Roland Users Group Newsletter
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE87F@messaging>
When my Roland Users Group Newsletter arrived via snail mail yesterday, I
was thumbing through the first few pages, and.... lo and behold...
Trent Gardner?!?!
They had a very interesting, full-page feature article on Trent and his work
with Magellan and Magna Carta. Overall the interview was very positive and
OFB even got some mention (JP, KJLB, and DS, anyway - for their involvement
in Explorer's Club). Trent discussed how he uses the Roland VS1680 to help
in songwriting (I definitely wouldn't mind having one of those) and his
relationship with Magna Carta. Anyway, thought ya'll might like to know...
:)
David Dixon
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:23:28 AST
From: "TheCowGod ." <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT reference
Message-ID: <19990806162328.11954.qmail@hotmail.com>
hey hey, i was browsing www.digitalblasphemy.com (awesome 3D graphics site)
and noticed this paragraph:
Anyway, I'm still working on my first Poser 4 image and it should be ready
in a few days. Last night I took a needed break from it and started dabbling
with, as John Cleese would say, "something completely different". The result
is "Metropolis I" (there will be a "II"), and it is on display in the WIP
and Night Scenery galleries.
i found that particularly coincidental :) moo.
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:39:36 -0400
From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek Sherinian on ESP disc (?)
Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D016C2200@HQEXS01>
> This may be old news, but...A friend of mine just got the new ESP (Eric
> Singer Project) disc. Listed as the keyboard player on one of the tracks:
> "Nicky Lemmons." I wonder why he wouldn't want to use his real name?
>
> Zircon the Blue
> (aka Jason)
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:32 -0400
From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Maiden...
Message-ID: <199908061500.AA655534@pressroom.com>
>after months of anticipation, the MAIDEN show was finally coming
>to California. But it was not to be. An hour before I was going
>to leave to see the greatest show ever, it was postponed
>and then canceled. FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.
At least they were comming to your area. No DC show on the schedual. Who the fuck made this schedual? :^(
Jason
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:35:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew James Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT reference
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990806123427.21425A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
> with, as John Cleese would say, "something completely different". The result
> is "Metropolis I" (there will be a "II"), and it is on display in the WIP
> and Night Scenery galleries.
But what you didn't mention is that there already *is* a Metropolis II !
However, it was created several months ago, with different graphics
software, and it won't ever be released to the public until it is
redrawn and rendered.
Too much time on my hands,
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:15:17 AST
From: "TheCowGod ." <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT reference
Message-ID: <19990806211517.29767.qmail@hotmail.com>
> > with, as John Cleese would say, "something completely different". The
>result
> > is "Metropolis I" (there will be a "II"), and it is on display in the
>WIP
> > and Night Scenery galleries.
>
>But what you didn't mention is that there already *is* a Metropolis II !
>However, it was created several months ago, with different graphics
>software, and it won't ever be released to the public until it is
>redrawn and rendered.
yes, i heard the file is something like 300 megs, and takes so long to
render that it has only been successfully rendered once, by an SGI
workstation.
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