YTSEJAM digest 5037

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    Today's Topics:

      1) the essay, part 2
     by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
      2) sava
     by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
      3) The Essay...
     by "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5036
     by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
      5) Internet Fax Service
     by sales@wlnet.com
      6) violins
     by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
      7) Re: Essay
     by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
      8) Ice Age - The Great Divide
     by GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE
      9) VERTU
     by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
     10) Chops, James, release date
     by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
     11) Lost Jams
     by WoodyTJ34@aol.com

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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:00:09 PDT
    From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: the essay, part 2
    Message-ID: <19990820170012.59536.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Part 2

         He (Kevin) decided that he was not going to defend the Sleeper twin
         anymore.
         Why? Because "the siren [kicked] him from a dream." 'Siren' must of
         course
         refer to James/Charlie, who is the same person, who is The Miracle and
    The
         Sleeper in one, who is Dream Theater. He knows all about the honor of
    God,
         Mary Jane, but he also knows when he's hopelessly outmatched.

         Kevin's album with Chroma Key, _Dead Air For Radios_ is an attempt to
    let
         the world know what is going to happen, but Kevin chooses to do so
    rather
         abstractly.

         "i'm colorblind three way tragedy...
         maybe i'm paranoid yeah that's my problem" - Colorblind

         In "Even the Waves" he speaks of three pairs, "me & judas" followed by
         "me & jonas" and then finally "me & joseph." Note that all three start
         with the letter 'j.' Like Petrucci's Metropolis, this is also a 3-way
         tragedy. We have the first, Judas, Death and Charlie, followed by
    Jonas,
         Deceit and DT's middle period, and then finally, Joseph, Love, and
         Armageddon. [Judas, the betrayer, followed by Jonas, an oblique
    reference
         to Jonah (and the whale), who appeared to be dead, and then finally
         Joseph, the father (Love) of the prophesized one (in this case,
    James)].

         Since DAFR is so oblique, I will only include a few more quotes in the
         effort of moving on.

         "there's a song that i'd rather forget" - Undertow
         "i was half outside and half inside a dream" - America The Video
         "left them behind or ahead and he said
         sooner or later you get up off the floor
         when no one wants to hear it anymore" - S.O.S.
         "each time i walk out the door
         someone mixes metaphors" - On the Page
         "she steps into the stream the level rising" - Mouse (Now watch what
         happens)

         Note the cry for help, ie SOS, 'She' once again is Dream Theater, the
         Mother. But, the 'someone' who 'mixes metaphors,' well, that bring us
         back to what I tried to skirt earlier. The part about "Deceit is the
         second without end," and what "Lie" Kevin really wrote about. But be
         patient.

         A 'Change' of Seasons indeed. We now have Derek instead of Kevin, and
    a
         new ep. I invite you to search through the title track on your own, in
         order to find out how much Mike really knew about this whole thing.
         Compare the earlier versions of this song to the official one, and see
         what, if any, changes Mike made now that Kevin, the main Sleeper force,
         was gone.

         But let us look at the covers. "Funeral For a Friend/ Love Lies
    Bleeding"
         is fairly obvious. The members were still morning the loss of the
    Kevin,
         and possibly still the loss of Charlie. In the Flesh? - Possibly James
         questioning his own existance as the Dream Theater, the Miracle and the
         Sleeper in one mind, or flesh.

         Brace yourself for this one.

         Carry On Wayward Son - John Petrucci is speaking to James, his adopted
         son, who he wants to finish his work here by writing Metropolis Part II
    -
         Armageddon.

         We're through the looking glass, folks.

         Yes. John Petrucci - he who wrote a song with each of the incarnations
    of
         the two twins in one, he who wrote of the future in Metropolis Part I,
    he
         who spoke of himself with the line "Deceit is the second without end,"
    he
         who is the 'stepfather' (of James/Charlie with Dream Theater the
    Mother)
         from Kevin's expose "Lie," he who mixes metaphors like nobody's
    business,
         he who wrote of "Poor Vanessa" (aka Dream Theater the Mother, aka
    "Mother
         Mary quite contrary" [hence the Mary Queen of Scots logo]), he who
    wrote
         of his "Fortune In Lies" - is the true villian here.

         Petrucci is the mastermind behind this. He found Dream Theater, the
         Mother, and married her, becoming stepfather to the two twins. He was
    not
         pleased with the first incarnation, Charlie, and demanded another,
    "this
         time for real" - from the ominously titled "The Ones Who Help to Set
    the
         Sun." Thus cames James. John was estatic, so much so that he allowed
    the
         greatest force against him, Kevin Moore, to remain in the band for
    another
         two albums ("you tell me 'bout your two more coming"). He writes of
    his
         overwhelming joy in "Under A Glass Moon." I will not analyze it at
    this
         time, but you can't help but think that that song was written by some
         hyper child, rejoicing in what has been given him. John was less
    jubilant
         after _Awake_, and quickly disposed of Kevin, who was replaced by
    Derek,
         who John claimed to be a "Perfect Stranger." I think it's clear -
    Derek
         is a clone of John Petrucci, placed in the band to do John's bidding,
         which is why Derek hasn't written anything yet - there is no need for
    it.

         What else can we tie in? John's facination with pop songs, as
    mentioned
         before. To this list we can add "The Silent Man," a song which John
    wrote
         both the lyrics and the music for, which was released as a single.
         [Previously, only the rebellious Kevin Moore had written both music and
         lyrics for a song, with SDV and "Wait for Sleep." Or, as he wanted to
         call it, "Wait for Sleeper."] The point is, Petrucci is branching out,
         trying to get a larger audience for his band, which is his ticket to
    world
         domination.

         If James was the evil one here, he could just write "Metropolis Part II
    -
         Armageddon" and be done with it. But he's not, and he's only just
         realizing that he is merely a pawn in Petrucci's game.

         Several questions, areas for study, remain. First off, we need to
    study
         that final verse of "Metropolis Part I" to learn what the future holds
    for
         us. From FII, Petrucci's "Lines In The Sand" seems fairly prophetic,
    but
         even I cannot yet interpret it. And also, what does Desmond Child have
    to
         do with Petrucci's conspiracy of a planned Armageddon? Did he think
    that
         Petrucci was being to arrogant, calling the song "You Or Me"?

         And just where do Mike Portnoy, who wrote "Why'd I betray my friend" in
         "The Mirror," his companion song to Kev's "Lie;" and John Myung, who
         possibly was Kevin's only true friend in the band - he was also part of
         the Sleeper twin; he wrote LtL so Kevin could write the intro song, WfS
    -
         stand on this issue? And is James really neutral or is he going to
    rebel
         like so many before him, forcing Petrucci to either find another
         replacement incarnation of the two twins together in on mind/flesh?
    And
         if that does happen, will Petrucci replace James as he did Kevin, with
    a
         clone of himself? And actually, is the current John Myung, who wrote
         "Trail of Tears," a Miracle/Theater song, the same one that wrote LtL
    and
         LSoaD?

         TO SUM UP:
         John Petrucci and his army of clones (Sherinian and Myung) are taking
    over
         DT, waiting for a Charlie/James incarnation to write "Metropolis Part
    II -
         Armageddon," sparking the end of the world as we know it.

         If John and his clones of the Miracle/Theater twin are victorious in
    the
         final battle, Petrucci will reign forever - for he loves only himself,
    and
         "Love is the Dance of Eternity."

         The wild cards? Mike Portnoy, who appears to be a solid
    Miracle/Theater
         follower, who plays the party line, who has never written a
    Sleeper/Dream
         song, could be on the side of good, i.e. the side against John
    Petrucci.
         There is also Kevin Moore, who was beaten by Petrucci once, but has
         returned with his _Dead Air For Radios_, which he is trying to use to
    once
         again do battle with the evil that is John Petrucci.

         So support Kevin and his fight by buying DAFR. As for Mike? Well, we
         can't really help him, but he still can help himself. Mike, you must
    take
         it upon yourself to write "Metropolis Part II - John's Dementia"
    exposing
         to the world the chilling scheme that John Petrucci is trying to hatch.

         To close, ever wonder why "The Killing Hand" is the only song with
    vocals
         from WDADU that is still played with any regularity? It is John's
         confession:

         "No one is left now
         my one and only land
         I laugh at what I've done
         I am the Killing Hand" - "The Killing Hand" - John Petrucci

                    Mad dog --- jhaveman@u.arizona.edu --- John Haveman
               "Im Anfang war das Wort?" ... "Nein. Im Anfang war die Tat."
            Goethe's Faust I - Scene III - as quoted in Phillip K. Dick's
    _Valis_

         P.S. - John, I am _so_ sorry for exposing your plan to the entire
         Ytsejam...

    hope you have as much fun as I did. Nice work.
    seb

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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:51:26 GMT
    From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: sava
    Message-ID: <19990820195126.86195.qmail@hotmail.com>

    just a little ndtc.. saw Detroit Rock City yesterday and just about shit
    myself when they started playing The Hall of the Mountain King.. it does
    make sence that they'd have sava on the sound track but regardless is was a
    surprise.. and a nice one at that..

    inferno
    NP: savatage - dead winter dead

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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:17:10 -0500
    From: "Jeremy Kube" <kube@fullnet.net>
    To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: The Essay...
    Message-ID: <000501beeb51$5e729b00$3f6a67ce@jeremyku>

    I must say.. I never looked at it like that. Its kind of funny to look at
    it like that. But, I must say... the man who wrote it kind of "Reads into
    things too much" Worth a good laugh at best. Rock on, J
    Jeremy Kube
    Oklahoma State University
    Fire Protection and Safety Engineering Technology Major
    inflammabl@aol.com
    kube@fullnet.net
    "Sex is Death, Death is Sex. It says it right here on my crucifix!"
    Dream Theater.

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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:34:28 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5036
    Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990820163306.23584A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>

    I have to say, I mean this in the most not flaming way, you have a little
    too much time your hands to read htat much out of the lyrics. I really
    don't think JP wrote a Fortune in Lies about his taking over DT 10 yrs
    later

    Peace out,
    Kurt
    Np-Queensryche Sign of the Times SIngle

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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:04:58 PDT
    From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: violins
    Message-ID: <19990820220459.62822.qmail@hotmail.com>

    before I go into an art museum, i find out what kind of brushes the painters
    used, and I make sure that I only enjoy paintings that were made with really
    crappy, difficult to use brushes.

                  -Fran the Bitter
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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:08:56 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Essay
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9908201807490.98204-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>

    On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Kurt Hampton wrote:

    > I have to say, I mean this in the most not flaming way, you have a
    > little too much time your hands to read htat much out of the lyrics. I
    > really don't think JP wrote a Fortune in Lies about his taking over DT
    > 10 yrs later

    Oh, but I thought it was a fine piece of analytical writing. Granted, I'm
    SURE that it was written in jest, but I thought it was very well-thought
    and well-planned. I, for one, got a HUGE laugh out of it.

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    until caught. Then lie.
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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:18 +0200
    From: GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Ice Age - The Great Divide
    Message-ID: <199908202318.YM5j@semagroup.sema.se>

    --- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 99-08-21 01.18

    ICE AGE - The Great Divide USA
    Rating: * * * * (out of 5) 1999
                                        MAGNA CARTA
                                        MA-9028-2
                                        Time: 74:26

    Ice Age is:
    Jimmy Pappas: Guitars
    Arron DiCesare: Bass
    Josh Pincos: Vocals and Keyboards
    Hal Aponte: Drums and Percussion

    The tracks are:
    1. Perpetual Child (10:29)
    2. Sleepwalker (5:24)
    3. Join (5:55)
    4. Spare Chicken Parts (Instrumental) (8:50)
    5. Because Of You (5:32)
    6. The Bottom Line (4:44)
    7. Ice Age (11:08)
    8. One Look Away (5:40)
    9. Miles To Go (5:01)
    10. To Say Goodbye (11:31):
    Part I: Worthless Words (Instrumental) (3:13)
    Part II: On Our Way (8:18)

    History:
    The US band Ice Age was founded in 1993. This is their promising
    debut album.

    Ice Age is impressive musicians and the music contains heavy
    riffing, great memorable melodies and a lot of complexity. Their
    music is somewhere between very heavy melodic progressive rock and
    progressive metal with many changing time signatures and great
    arrangements. Their influences are Black Sabbath, Deep Purple,
    Kansas, Pink Floyd, Rush and Yes. They're also sometimes
    reminiscent to Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Journey and Queensryche,
    but most of all do they remind of Dream Theater ca. "Awake".

    The vocalist Josh Pincus is somewhat reminiscent to Steve Walsh of
    Kansas, but only a little. He's very skilled and has a powerful
    voice, but it's quite unusual, but after a while you'll get used
    to him. The guitarist Jimmy Pappas is very good and the rhythm
    section is excellent. Jimmy is actually one of the better
    guitarists I've heard in the prog metal genre.

    The highlights are "Perpetual Child", "Sleepwalker", the
    instrumental "Spare Chicken Parts" that contains a very good drum
    solo, "The Bottom Line", my favorite "Ice Age" that is over 11
    minutes, "One Look Away" and "To Say Goodbye". It's actually the
    two instrumentals that are the best tracks. A good thing about the
    songs is the catchy and memorable choruses.

    The guitarist Jimmy Pappas designed the beautiful cover image.

    It would surely be nice to hear what they can achieve with their
    next album. Considering that this is a debut album it's very
    convincing. I'm sure that Ice Age has a very bright future, but
    it's with a slight hesitation I give this CD a four star rating
    (out of 5). But after all this is an outstanding album that
    probably will end up as one of the highlights of prog metal in
    1999, so buy and enjoy!

    -Reviewed by Greger R=F6nnqvist-

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:58:13 +0200
    From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: VERTU
    Message-ID: <37BDDD85.F8CCDEFD@mol.com.mk>

    > From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
    > Subject: Vanessa Mae... Mai?... Vai? :)
    >
    > I'm not crazy about her, but she's okay :)

    Agreed! :)

    > Don't forget that Karen Briggs that plays with VERTU. If I had
    > to pick my favorite jazz/rock/fusion violin player, she'd be my
    > first choice. CHECK OUT VERTU!!!!! BEST FUSION ALBUM THIS YEAR.
    > (Vertu = Stanley Clarke, Richie Kotzen, Karen Briggs, Lenny
    > White and Michael Caplan)

    <JAW DROP> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WHAT??????????????????
    Who put these freaks together? What? When? Where? Why? Who? SPEAK DAMN
    IT! :)

    > From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
    > Subject: the essay, part 2
    >
    > Yes, Armageddon.

    I dunno about that, but this POST seems to be the end of a jam we once
    knew! :) Geez, I have a feeling that it'll 'cause a whole lot over here!

    -- 
    CyberDuke
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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:48:06 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Chops, James, release date Message-ID: <v04210102b3e35e98c91d@[192.168.1.1]>

    Hi there,

    >Fans who loved DT because of the chops will like the addition of >Derek. He's a chops/jam kinda player.

    Fans who loved DT because of the chops will freak out when they listen to Jordan. ;-)

    Though the guy who wrote this weird Miracle/Sleeper analysis doesn't seem to be on this list, I'll reply anyway ;-):

    >Derek has yet to write any songs, so we must tread lightly.

    Anna Lee was a Derek Song, and don't forget he already has a solo album out...

    >James has only one solo credit, "Anna Lee," ...

    Don't know if that counts for this analysis, but James also penned "The Way It Used To Be" and "Speak To Me", both outtakes from FII. Pretty good songs actually. ;-)

    Oh, did anyone mention yet that the actual release date for the new album is October 26th?

    Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)

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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:43:38 EDT From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lost Jams Message-ID: <99b5fd12.24ef6c5a@aol.com>

    I haven't received any jams since 5030 on 8/15. Is it just me or what? Please send me a note if this has happened to anyone else. Thanks, Todd

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