YTSEJAM Digest 5046
Today's Topics:
1) My new web page!!
by Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
2) Re: Everything I know about Sweden I learned in a beer commercial.
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
3) Korg Triton
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
4) sus / dixie / vai
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
5) Vlatko Stefanovski
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
6) Vlatko Stefanovski and Krushevo
by Jeremy Garman <jgarman@kmbs.com>
7) Dali's Delima
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
8) Both Matheos & Alder solo CDs available for pre-order
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
9) The Legality Of Bootlegs?
by MTeiper@aol.com
10) Re: The Legality Of Bootlegs?
by Andreas Skarin <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
11) Re: The Legality Of Bootlegs?
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
12) Puppies on hallucinogens
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) I'm really going to show my age with this one...
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
14) Re: The Legality Of Bootlegs?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) RE: The Legality Of Bootlegs?
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:57:04 -0700
From: Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My new web page!!
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990827105530.00953c20@sc.llu.edu>
Hi all, please take a look at my new web site that I have set up. It's VERY
HUMBLE right now so please just bookmark it and keep checking back
periodically. Please let me know if there are any parts of the page that
are messed up. Thanks!!
The url will be in my signature file!! 8-)
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Wesley Foll, Geology B.S., Loma Linda University
http://www.redrival.com/wesfoll/main.html
follwes@sc.llu.edu
wfoll00g@ns.llu.edu
beavis@ytseradio.com
ICQ #4550740
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:50:22 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Everything I know about Sweden I learned in a beer commercial.
Message-ID: <003801bef0bd$04a8a940$702010ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
]From: Andreas Skarin <skarre@2.sbbs.se>
Subject: Re: Everything I know about Sweden I learned in a beer commercial.
>Here's how you do it:
>Din j=E4vla jubelidiot! Du har mage att kritisera mina meddelanden n=E4r =
>du =E4r en
>minst lika god kolsupare sj=E4lv. Hur i helvete v=E5gar du? Dina meddelan=
>den bygger
>i alla fall bara p=E5 anv=E4ndandet av humor i brist p=E5 argument! Visa =
>aldrig din
>fula nuna h=E4r igen, fattar du?
wow, you foreigners never cease to amaze me. how DO you manage to pronounce
those equal signs?
in other news, i got the new megadeth album at the radio station a few days
ago. man, it's a disappointment... i mean, i like the music, and i've been
listening to it almost nonsteop, but its SO not metal. i really didnt expect
this from Megadeth. another disturbing thing is that in the liner notes,
they pulled a "Load-ism" and only print a few verses from each song... i can
try my hand at writing a full review if anyone wants me to. moo.
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:20:57 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Korg Triton
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990827201908.16561C-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
I just bought a new Korg Triton. All I have to say is... WOW! Buy one
of these things NOW. I don't care if you don't play keys, don't have any
money, and need a kidney operation. Buy one NOW. FINALLY a keyboard that
will complement my Kurzweil K2000! This will find BIG time use on my
band's first CD. Any questions about it, e-mail me.
-- Bert
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:54:55 +0100
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: Phi Ytse Jamma <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: sus / dixie / vai
Message-ID: <37C6ED0F.B0DF089F@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> >suscribe ytsejam aggressor@dreamtheater.zzn.com
^^^
Oh no! Not another one of them damn musicians wanting to invade
my^H^Hour music list. Between them and the hyper intelligent, this place
is starting to have a more diminished feel to it lately... :)
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Ok, tell me at least SOMEONE on this list has been to one of T H E D I
X I E D R E G S live shows out in California this week.
Must.....Have.....Reviews!
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Some tasty morsels from http://www.vai.com/News/
> NEW SOLO RECORD & LIVE APPEARANCES!
[...]
> Steve is also doing 5 very special in-store
> appearances/performances across the country on the week of the record
> release! The scoop on that:
>
> Hicksville, NY @ Sam Goody Long Island, 6pm
> Broadway Mall #960, Hickville NY 11801 (516-938-1858)
> Tuesday, Sept. 7
>
> Boston, MA @ Tower Records, 6pm
> 360 Newbury St., Boston MA 02115, (617-247-5900)
> Wednesday, Sept. 8
>
> Hollywood, CA @ Tower Records, 7:30 pm
> 8801 Sunset Blvd., West Hollywood CA (310-657-7300)
> Thursday, Sept. 9
>
> Chicago, IL @ Crow?s Nest, 12:00 pm
> 333 S. State St., Chicago IL 60604 (312-341-9196)
> Friday, Sept. 10
>
> Detroit, MI @ Harmony House, time tba
> 30830 Orchard Lake Rd., Farmington Hills MI 48334 (248-626-4533)
> Saturday, Sept. 11
>
> Steve will be performing at each of these appearances, and will give away
> the entire rig he?s using (the Jem, the Carvin Legacy amplifier, a Bad
> Horsie pedal by Morley, and Dean Markley strings with Hal Leonard music
> books! You must be present to win.
Hmmm.... even it looks like they're just giving away some used piece of
shit rig he doesn't seem to want anymore or has probably beaten the piss
out to the point where it sounds like utter crap (indistinguishable in
my case), I guess I'll swing on by Newbury St. anyways :)
Can you see some anal twit winning it and then bitching because he
doesn't like the sound of Dean Markley's?
<heh>
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:00:21 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vlatko Stefanovski
Message-ID: <37C71885.92BA00BE@mol.com.mk>
> From: "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Vlatko Stefanovski cds?
>
> Hi everybody,
> there's been some enough talk about this artist to get me
> interested. Could someone provide me with information of his
> record(s?), meaning the name, record label, release year, stock
> number,... I'll need at least some of this info to try to order
> the cd(s), I think there's a very little chance of finding
> anything in ordinary record stores (in Finland). Also
> suggestions/descriptions of his work album-wise is
> appreciated. Thanks.
Well, well, what do we have here? I'm glad! :)
The only album available outside in the world is his latest project with
Miroslav Tadik, YU origins guitarist living in USA for long time and
from 1985 he is professor at Art Institute in California. 1997 Guitar
Player magazine announced him as one of the best 30 world guitarists!
Their project is called KRUSHEVO, a 2 acoustic guitars music inspired by
the traditional Macedonian ethno music. Now, although this is AWESOME
album, seek no shred-fest here. I think CDNow has it, and I think that
originally Krushevo is US release!
While for others ughh, .. check this story out:
Macedonia was part of ex-YU thus many bands recorded their albums all
over it. Being a communist coutry 'n all that, none of the YU music went
outside, although we had pretty much to show! :) After the collapse of
YU, all those copyrights legal crap made big problems! Damn it,
Macedonian band can't re-release their stuff because back then it was
released from Serbian or Croatian house! :( So, at least in near future,
there won't be any CDs available!
Vlatko has few solo albums after that, but I doubt they can be found
outside! Like, can you find let's say Hungarian band album in UK? :(
Huh, I don't think so!
But I said that I can put up MP3s on someones server if possible, I
wanna get this music to jammers!
I'll be glad to do it if someone offers his server.
Until then check out his home page:
http://www.vlatkostefanovski.com.mk/
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________________"What do you think about it?" "Shocking!" "Yeah, but do you think it was funny?" "Of course not! That would be REALLY shocking!"
The 2 balcony fossils, "The Muppet Show" ________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:27:0 -0500 From: Jeremy Garman <jgarman@kmbs.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Vlatko Stefanovski and Krushevo Message-ID: <199908280025.RAA22305@knight.axnet.net>
At 8/28/99 1:39:00 AM, CyberDuke wrote: >The only album available outside in the world is his latest project with >Miroslav Tadic. Their project is called KRUSHEVO, a 2 acoustic guitars music inspired >by the traditional Macedonian ethno music. Now, although this is AWESOME >album, seek no shred-fest here. I think CDNow has it, and I think that >originally Krushevo is US release!
Yes, the Krushevo album I have is on M-A Recordings, from the USA, and also it was supposedly released in Japan I believe. And now, as CyberDuke pointed out, CDNow has it listed. Too bad when I got it, I couldn't find it here, and had to have it imported from Macedonia.(Thanks CyberDuke!:)
But if you want to hear a good acoustic album, by all means try this one out. Ethno- inspired music that is quite beautiful, very soulful. Overall, it's not a shred-fest, but there are a few songs that really move. We get treated to some nice nylon and steel string guitar-playing, and even a dobro on a few tracks. I really wish I have a decent stereo to listen to this album with, because sonically it's quite unique. It was recorded inside the monument at Krushevo, Macedonia. The music's very smooth, yet still creates an intensity which I still can't quite grasp. Maybe it's those irregular Macedonian rhythms eh CyberDuke? :-)
So I would definitely second the recommendation made by CyberDuke, check it out.
>But I said that I can put up MP3s on someones server if possible, I >wanna get this music to jammers!
If he does get some MP3s somewhere, don't hesitate to try them. I think alot of jammers would like this music too.
******************************************* Jeremy Garman ICQ: 2891526 AIM: jmgarman mailto:jgarman@kmbs.com mailto:jgarman@mypad.com *******************************************
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:34:29 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dali's Delima Message-ID: <001101bef0ed$17ebd740$045299d1@default>
Does anyone know if Dali's Dilemma has a fan club and if so how to contact them?
Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:49:56 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: "fates@listservant.com (Parallels List)" <fates@listservant.com>, Subject: Both Matheos & Alder solo CDs available for pre-order Message-ID: <37C74044.6165E4E@ivorygate.com>
Hey guys, if you want to pre-order Jim Matheos' "Away With Words" or Ray Alder's "Engine" albums, in case you can't find them locally, you can get them from CD NOW for $12.99 each. Just follow the links from http://www.ivorygate.com/fw
-or directly to: http://cdnow.com/switch/from=sr-183074/target=buyweb_products/artfs=jim+matheos
http://cdnow.com/switch/from=sr-183074/target=buyweb_products/artfs=engine Note: The single listed here for "Higher & Higher" is from a different band!
Also, check out the CD Now coupons in the "On-line Coupons" forum of my bulletin board: http://www.ivorygate.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:04:39 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Legality Of Bootlegs? Message-ID: <fabefa28.24f8abc7@aol.com>
Hey gang -
We interrupt this regularly scheduled flame-war to bring you.... a question. Well, several questions, actually, regarding a sensitive topic... bootlegs. Now, before we go any further, I know that there are many of us on the Jam that have very strong, very passionate opinions about different aspects of bootlegging, and if possible I'd like to put the morality issues aside and focus specifically on the legal side of things. I apologize if this has been covered in detail before, but I am looking for specific explanations about what is legal and what's not with bootlegging. My wife was asking me (probably for fear of having to someday bail me out of jail ;-) ) exactly what is and what is not illegal, and I actually didn't know the answers.
First off, I understand that recording and/or selling bootlegged material is technically illegal. Just so I'm clear, what about the following things:
1.) Simply owning bootlegged material? 2.) Trading bootlegged material for other bootlegged material? 3.) Buying bootlegged material from someone else?
Are all these things technically "illegal"? I'm just wondering how many years in the slammer I could be eligible for. ;-)
If any of you could shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it. I'm not "in the know" when it comes to legal stuff. I'm only a lowly computer programmer, you know. ;-)
Laterz.... Matt T.
NP: Metal Church "Masterpeace" <-- Not half bad, surprisingly!
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 05:37:19 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin <skarre@2.sbbs.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Legality Of Bootlegs? Message-ID: <37C7596F.DA545868@2.sbbs.se>
MTeiper@aol.com wrote:
> First off, I understand that recording and/or selling bootlegged material is > technically illegal. Just so I'm clear, what about the following things: > > 1.) Simply owning bootlegged material? > 2.) Trading bootlegged material for other bootlegged material? > 3.) Buying bootlegged material from someone else?
I don't know about 1 & 2, but if buying illegally recorded material is against the law, I don't think the cops are gonna care who you are buying it for. Or else I could by myself a scud from Saddam, and if I got caught, say I was buying it for Al @ Switchcraft :-). I don't think I ever would be able to prove it though. Another example would be if you hire someone to kill off somebody. The hitman would still be charged with murder. So my guess would be that it is illegal to buy for someone else.
Well, I didn't exactly provide any answers, just throwing in my thoughts on the subject.
Cheers!
Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater Sallskapet http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:skarre@2.sbbs.se
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Legality Of Bootlegs? Message-ID: <19990828063222.5520.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com>
--- MTeiper@aol.com wrote: > > My > wife was asking me > (probably for fear of having to someday bail me out > of jail ;-) ) exactly > what is and what is not illegal, and I actually > didn't know the answers.
I like the idea of bootlegging. If a band won't release the live performance legit, why not find a way to get it myself thru non-legit vendors? Anyway, it's not like you're somehow taking away from the band since they never stood to gain money on a concert event after the fact. Studio cuts are a different matter altogether IMHO. I know you said ethics aside, but hey... Anyway, having said all that mess, it's not illegal to own or buy bootleg music. It's illegal to *sell* it. The RIAA can't touch you for buying or ownership. No one else can either. They can pick on you a bit, but no legal action can be taken. You can cop ignorance of knowing what it was that you were buying (surely all Pearl Jam CDs are authorized by the band, right? :o) )and there's nothing anybody can do. So there ya go. === *Trent
"Thru the eyes and I sparkle, senses growin' keen. Taste your love along the way, see your feathers preen. Kinda makes me feel sometimes, you didn't have to go. We are eagles of one nest, the nest is in our soul." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:08:00 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Puppies on hallucinogens Message-ID: <37C798E0.670FE606@isd.net>
Mark Bredius wrote: >No problem... Notice how "The Mirror" works in three ways in this >quote? A real mirror, Steffen Barabasch (The Mirror fanzine), and >Lisa Marie (The Mirror mailinglist)... And all three of them are >telling you you're being an ass. ;-)
C'mon now, Mark. Stop picking on Mr. Warmth. Any intelligent person can clearly see that the Jam collective is the problem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IRON Brian wrote: >I dunno about anyone else out there, but I'm planning on writing CDNow and >giving 'em a piece of my mind. They should not have the option to preorder
The resident ProGtologist replied with: >Can you afford it? :)
Brian: >Depends which piece I'm giving away. Longterm memory of pointless trivia, >that's important, but the center of my brain that appreciates romantic >comedies, *that* I hardly ever use...
I love it! Let's go to the movies together and piss people off. :)
/Al punches a hole in the bottom of his popcorn bucket in hopes that Korg will be seated beside him. The man just can't resist salt. ;-) -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vhee yuoo leefe-a in zee lund ooff 10,000.00 lekes, it's neece-a tu knoo thet ell mee ere-a creeted iqooel in culd veter. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 03:21:50 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I'm really going to show my age with this one... Message-ID: <37C79C1E.685335EF@isd.net>
I'd like to acquire a copy of these 60's songs:
Lovers Concerto --The Toys To Sir With Love --Lulu
MP3's would be fine. Original vinyl would be even better.
/Al rips the safety seal off his new bottle of Geritol and beats ever so manly upon chest... Then coughs. -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000.00 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: The Legality Of Bootlegs? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9908280601590.29804-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Trent wrote:
> > My wife was asking me (probably for fear of having to someday bail me > > out of jail ;-) ) exactly what is and what is not illegal, and I > > actually didn't know the answers. <snip stuff about how much he likes boots, which was irrelevant> > Anyway, having said all that mess, it's not illegal to own or buy > bootleg music. It's illegal to *sell* it. The RIAA can't touch you > for buying or ownership. No one else can either. They can pick on > you a bit, but no legal action can be taken. You can cop ignorance of > knowing what it was that you were buying (surely all Pearl Jam CDs are > authorized by the band, right? :o) )and there's nothing anybody can > do.
Have you ever gone to an MP3 site where it says something like, "This material may only be used to backup purposes, and if it is't yours you can only keep it for 24 hours or else you're breaking laws?" Well, first of all, you can't download MP3s off the web and then claim that you were retrieving them from a backup... Because the ONLY way you can use backed up MP3s is if you have backed them up yourself. It's illegal, plain and simple, no 24 hour grace period, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Unfortunately, owning ANY material that is copyrighted by somebody without their explicit written permission is illegal. Any material that a band plays in a concert is still copyrighted by that particular band, and may not be used in ANY way, whether for home use or for re-broadcasting purposes. Nobody (and I've even talked with people who work for copyright police on this one, too) will care if you copy music - whether it be from the radio or off somebody else's CD or whatnot - for your own use at home. When you want to sell it, that's when they get upset - but owning it is still illegal, whether they care or not. It's illegal to record songs off a radio station, download them off the web, copy them from a friend... All illegal methods.
So that's the lowdown on copyrighted material. The good news for Trent is that since DT officially endorses bootlegged material, it is legal for you to own bootlegs of their concerts - even to sell and trade it, I believe, as long as it's not for profit. But don't quote me on the selling/trading thing (I'm almost positive that trading is legal, but I'm not sure on the selling CDs thing).
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.home.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- If you try and don't succeed, cheat. Repeat until caught. Then lie. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:31:38 +0200 From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: The Legality Of Bootlegs? Message-ID: <000c01bef140$82604220$0100007f@localhost>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> The good news for Trent is that since DT officially > endorses bootlegged material, it is legal for you > to own bootlegs of their concerts
Actually... as far as I know, Mike Portnoy is the only member of Dream Theater who is pro-bootlegging...
Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org *** Join the FREE weekly Dream Theater newsletter ! *** Send email to <uacm-subscribe@egroups.com> to subscribe
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