YTSEJAM Digest 5243
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Emotional Songs
by Fett2002@aol.com
2) Re: Desmond Child
by Fett2002@aol.com
3) Desmond's Child + DT
by "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se>
4) anecdote/emotional songs
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
5) supergroups
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
6) you or me
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
7) RE: Gordian Knot?
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
8) Kevin Moore and DT instrumentals
by "Justin Sepulveda" <ytsejamdt@hotmail.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5242
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
10) Chroma Key
by Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
11) Re: emotional songs
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) Re: Moore instrumentals | Hell Mary
by JamesAhab@aol.com
13) Cairo, Spock's Beard, Heather Nova, etc.
by "Daniel T. Chen" <chenda@cs.unc.edu>
14) Re: Kevin Moore and DT instrumentals
by "Wolfgang Rehmert" <Wolfgang.Remert@gmx.de>
15) Cables
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
16) Re: Cables
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
17) Re: Cables
by "Wolfgang Rehmert" <Wolfgang.Remert@gmx.de>
18) New Riffbreak CD now finished!!
by "Jorrit Godeke" <jogobass@hetnet.nl>
19) LOL!
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
20) I found something I didn't like. Amazing.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
21) ARPROCH WEB PAGE
by "ARPROCH" <arproch@vtr.net>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:15:03 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Emotional Songs
Message-ID: <0.48f912b9.25926f27@aol.com>
> > Pearl Jam - Black
>
> Yes, "Black" remains one of my favorite Pearl Jams ever. Absolutely
> stunning in concert, BTW
This seems to be the one thing that we all can agree on here! Great, great
song. You can tell that it is a very personal song to Eddie Vedder and that
emaotion comes right through into the song. Also, for emotional songs, I'd
have to say anything from Pink Floyd's The Wall. And for DT, Space Dye Vest,
JP's solo form LITS, and Hell's Kitchen. I'm sure there's much more, just
can't think of it now.
-Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:21:05 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Desmond Child
Message-ID: <0.6b321d01.25927091@aol.com>
>First: I love Desmond Child's work with Bon Jovi and Alic Cooper. If I
>think of Living on a Prayer, Poison, Let It Rock, I'm thinking of really
>catchy choruses, totally superb break/key changes and huge singalongability.
Actually, you just said every reason why personally I hate Desmond Child and
what he does to songs. I am so glad DT only did that one song with him. IMO
(and it's just an opinion of course) is that the above music is total pop
crap and we don't need that coming from DT!
-Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:31:56 +0100
From: "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Desmond's Child + DT
Message-ID: <001501bf4caa$d36c3aa0$0d01a8c0@slitz.se>
Well... fuck AOR! If DT were to work with Destiny's Child - THAT would be
something. That would RIP AZZ!!! :)
Merry Xmas everyone!
top 3 albums of '99:
* V/A - Return Of The Grievous Angel: A Tribute To Gram Parsons
* Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt 2: Scenes From A Memory
* Euro Boys (Kare & The Cavemen) - Long Day's Flight Till Tomorrow
/Mats
http://progorama.web.com
http://members.xoom.com/rydstrom
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:09:22 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: anecdote/emotional songs
Message-ID: <19991222190922.48867.qmail@hotmail.com>
I was driving the other day with my mother, listening to a mix tape I had
made. LTL was on it, and at that part near the end where the lyrics
go:"ohhhhohhhhhohhhhhh, ohhhhhhhohhhhhhohhhhhhhh,
whoaoooohhhhohhhhhhhoohhHHHHHHHHHHHHHH", my mom asked me "hey! Is that the
'4 non blondes' lady?". Needless to say, I was VERY amused. That's funny
on SO many levels =^).
Most emotional songs (excluding DT, of course)
Fleckones - At last we meet again
Edgar Meyer - Sliding Down
Rush - *insert just about ANY song here*
Widespread Panic - C.Brown
Jaco Pastorius - Three Views of a Secret
well, about done, methinks
-Banjoman
NP: Pickin' on the Grateful Dead (I've also seen "Pickin' on Dylan", and
"Pickin' on Clapton". I'm holding out for "Pickin' on Rush" =^)
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:29:42 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: supergroups
Message-ID: <19991222192942.89249.qmail@hotmail.com>
I hate those 'supergroups' when the emphasis is on technique. I listened to
LTE a few weeks ago, and it really did nothing for me. I was SOO excited
when I heard that Victor Wooten had made and album with Scott Henderson, but
when I finally picked it up, it sounded completely uninspired. I recently
bought one with Jerry Goodman, Howard Levy, Steve Smith, and Oteil Burbridge
(I NEVER thought I'd hear Oteil and Jerry together!), and it's actually
pretty cool. And "Surrender to the Air", a side project of Phish's
guitarist + drummer, as well as a whole score of avant-garde artists is one
of the coolest free jazz cd's I own. So basically I just rambled for an
entire post and didn't really say much of anything. So sue me =^)
-Banjoman
np: Leftover Salmon - Ask the Fish
It's always cool to come up with hypothetical "supergroups" that have a lot
of our favorite musicains in them. I for one though, thank God that these
type of bands rarely ever come into existence. For often, they work much
better on paper then they do in reality. For example, remember back in the
early 80's when Jimmy Page (from Zepplin of course) and Paul Rodgers (from
Bad Company) formed the Firm? Many people had great expectations from that
band but God did they suck! I just thought I'd mention this. Having said
this though, putting a band together like in prog rock would probably have
a better chance of succeeding than most other genres. Anyone out there have
examples of these supergroups that worked or didn't work? I'd be interested
in hearing people' s responses.
-Mike C.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:45:41 GMT
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: you or me
Message-ID: <19991222194541.47186.qmail@hotmail.com>
until "you or me" there wasn't one dream theater song i would skip over..
"you not me" was increadible.. "you or me" lacked the depth that dream
theater always displays in their music..
inferno
Michael Romero - The Dark Chapter
><< He completely changed the lyrics into typically cheesy
>relationship lyrics that you can hear on any generic top 40 hit. >>>
>
>Actually, I think Desmond Child SAVED that song. The orignal just >drones
>on
>and on and has no discernable hook. "His" version was actually >decent.
>Probably the worst song on FII, but still light-years better than the
>original.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:59:21 -0800
From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Gordian Knot?
Message-ID: <001c01bf4cbf$6bdeeee0$046400c0@oemcomputer>
I found Gordian Knot to be the best CD of 1999. Very inventive instrumental
music, that sounds fresh and original. If you like bass playing, you'll
really like this CD, as Malone plays all sorts of interesting stuff. JM from
DT shows up on a couple of tracks as well. Highly recommended.
If you want, you can go to the site shown in my signature and read a review
of the CD.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet
Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming
tools and more!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:59:15 PST
From: "Justin Sepulveda" <ytsejamdt@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Kevin Moore and DT instrumentals
Message-ID: <19991222225915.72905.qmail@hotmail.com>
Just wondering if anyone else thought that the best instrumentals from DT
(not LTE) came when Kevin Moore was in the band. Hell's Kitchen is a good
song but it's more of a guitar solo and Dance of Eternity is good too, but
there is no structure to it or common ground. Both of these songs are great
and very technical but they just don't have the same impact. Ytsejam,
Bombay Vindaloo, and Erotomania, to me, had a much greater impact.
Later Jammers,
Justin
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:10:46 EST
From: Stixntrixx@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5242
Message-ID: <0.b3a097cb.2592c286@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-12-22 13:00:22 EST, you write:
<<
First: I love Desmond Child's work with Bon Jovi and Alic Cooper. If I
think of Living on a Prayer, Poison, Let It Rock, I'm thinking of really
catchy choruses, totally superb break/key changes and huge singalongability.
Can you really croak along to James going 'It's all about you, not me'? I
don't want to yell along in falsetto.
I don't know. I do find myself singing along with the chorus of YNM, but it's
obviously not nearly in the same league as Livin' On A Prayer, probably
because YOM pretty much sucked (for a DT song, which, like bad pizza, is
still pretty good) from the get go. But I NEVER find myself singing along to
YOM. And that's the difference.
I don't know where the hook is in YNM. 'That's all right, that's ok' shows
signs of Desmond Child,
Wasn't that in the original YOM? If so, I don't think that was Desmond
Child's doing, though it does sound like something he would have done.
YNM makes my throat seize up just listening to it. So much for a key change!
For me, the chorus is the best part of YNM, and that seems to be the part
where DC had the most influence.
And I loved the bass at the beginning of the track and beneath the solo.
I do admit, I like the intro to YOM better than YNM. But that was probably
more of an arranging choice than a songwriting one.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:17:31 -0200
From: Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Chroma Key
Message-ID: <38613FEB.7D9F5EDA@conex.com.br>
Hello fellow Ytsejammers!
I've just bought Chroma Key and I loved every of second of it. Well,
almost every second. The only problem for me is the last track, I think
it would be better if "Dead Air For Radios" ended on track no 8. I just
can't listen to Hell Mary. The ambiental music on this track is ok, but
there's no way to stand the voice. It sounds like an old Sound
Blaster/Creative
voice synthetizer (texto ole,blah blah)...
Favorite tracks: Colorblind, Even The Waves, S.O.S, On The Page,
Mouse.
[]s Fernando Rauber
ICQ: 2281311
http://fast.to/frmp
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:37:26 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: emotional songs
Message-ID: <0.d46f607d.25930106@aol.com>
Long list here: these are songs that make me `feel`
Queensryche: Someone Else
Dishwalla: Until I Wake Up
Dogma: Unsaid
Bon Jovi: Bed of Roses
Dream Theater:
A Vision (w/Charlie on vox)
ACoS
Eve
Without You
Bad (U2 cover)
To Life Forever
Space-Dye Vest
Mullmuzzler: Slow Burn
Billy Joel: Goodnight Saigon
Symphony X: Candlelight Fantasia
Neal Morse:
Emma (the saddest song I've ever heard)
Everything Is Wrong
Guns 'n Roses: November Rain
Alanis Morrissette: Mary Jane
Conception: Cry
Pearl Jam: (for all the bad songs they have, they have some powerful,
emotional songs)
Black
Yellow Ledbetter
I Got Id
Better Man
Immortality
Savatage:
Believe
Stay
Shadow Gallery: Alaska
No Doubt: Don't Speak
Duran Duran: Ordinary World
LTE: State of Grace
Fates Warning: Guardian
Eric Johnson: Manhatten
Marillion: Easter
Jim
np - chroma key: dafr (also emotional)
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:41:37 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Moore instrumentals | Hell Mary
Message-ID: <0.8ab8217f.25930201@aol.com>
>< Just wondering if anyone else thought that the best instrumentals from
DT (not LTE) came when Kevin Moore was in the band. Hell's Kitchen is a good
song but it's more of a guitar solo and Dance of Eternity is good too, but
there is no structure to it or common ground. Both of these songs are great
and very technical but they just don't have the same impact. Ytsejam, Bombay
Vindaloo, and Erotomania, to me, had a much greater impact. ><
Actually, I feel the complete opposite. It's just a coincidence. I don't
think Kevin Moore is less of a player for it, but I love Hell's Kitchen and
Overture 1928 whereas Ytse Jam and Erotomania bore me. I don't particularly
care TDoE though, yet I love Eve, which is almost all Kevin.
>< The only problem for me is the last track, I think it would be better if
"Dead Air For Radios" ended on track no 8. I just can't listen to Hell Mary.
The ambiental music on this track is ok, but there's no way to stand the
voice. It sounds like an old Sound
Blaster/Creative voice synthetizer (texto ole,blah blah)... ><
That trakc scared the hell out of me the first time I herad it. Still does. I
don't think of it as a song at all. There is music, but it's more of a
soundtrack. I hardly ever listen to it, but that is some dark, eerie,
powerful stuff.
Jim
np - megadeth: rust in piece
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:54:35 -0500
From: "Daniel T. Chen" <chenda@cs.unc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Cairo, Spock's Beard, Heather Nova, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.10.9912230142220.287639-100000@evans.cs.unc.edu>
Hi fellow 'jammers,
I trust you're all enjoying the holiday. I can hardly contain my
excitement at picking up three of the most wonderful albums I've run
across in the used bin at a local record store...
(1) Cairo - _Conflict and Dreams_ - Wow, I know I'm a bit late in catching
this year-old album, but it rocks! There is some astounding keyboard
wizardry that I simply cannot express in words... Six songs, four of
which top ten minutes... Virtuosity, creativity, passion-- for what more
can I ask?!
(2) Spock's Beard - _The Kindness of Strangers_ - Yes, I'm a latecomer to
Spock's Beard, but ever since I downloaded, err, heard ;-) _Day for
Night_, I have been hooked. I've since bought that and this album, and I
must say that Spock's Beard would be a more-than-worthy third act for the
DT US tour. Excellent album. For those of you lurking in the shadows
who haven't gotten your hands on this album, do so! It's critical for
your survival! Heh, well, nearly so anyways... ;-)
(3) Heather Nova - _Siren_ - Perhaps a bit poppy, but wow are these songs
*catchy*, not to mention the lyrics are great. I've heard "London Rain
(Nothing Heals Me Like You Do)" prior, but uh, it doesn't do this artist
justice. Her songs are incredibly poignant.
In any case, take care and have a walloping holiday fit! ;-)
dtc
--- Daniel T. Chen chenda@cs.unc.edu------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:19:21 +0100 From: "Wolfgang Rehmert" <Wolfgang.Remert@gmx.de> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Kevin Moore and DT instrumentals Message-ID: <001601bf4d1e$6bd2d4c0$4352fd91@roterplatz>
> Just wondering if anyone else thought that the best instrumentals from DT > (not LTE) came when Kevin Moore was in the band. Hell's Kitchen is a good > song but it's more of a guitar solo and Dance of Eternity is good too, but > there is no structure to it or common ground. Both of these songs are great > and very technical but they just don't have the same impact. Ytsejam, > Bombay Vindaloo, and Erotomania, to me, had a much greater impact.
I partially agree with you on this one. Especially the keys-guitar unisono parts on IAW seem to be a good example for this one, as in Metropolis Pt.1. I never got the feeling of "solo-part" on this one, but that of an instrumental part instead. To me it seems that on both IAW and ACoS the instru-mentals ;-) were planned more orchestral than one instrument soloing and the rest of the band laying the groundwork for that solo, wich is why I love both of 'em so much. There's a lot more to learn from an incredible part that's played within a context to all the other instruments than from all this "wailing while the others keep it low" -stuff and the impact that this kind of music has on the listener is much higher IMVHO. That kind of work is almost totally missing from FII and SFaM. On a different note, some titles that have moved me are
DiMeola, McLaughlin, DeLucia - Guardian Angel (Friday Night in SF) Rush - <whatever you want to put in here x-cept "Roll the bones"> Queensryche - The whole Mindcrime album Hendrix - All along the watchtower Metallica - Fade to Black Steve Vai - Blue Powder
and the list goes on and on and on............
Merry X-Mas to all you Jammers out there!
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:13:15 +0100 From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Cables Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC4627@julia.um.be>
Funny how some people pretend they can hear musical differences for different types of cable being used to connect an ampifier and loudspeakers. Have been looking around a while for class speakers (I am very much into Dynaudio) and some sellers tried to sell me the idea of different cables, some of which are VERY expensive. I can understand you hear the difference between different kind of speakers (easy), but between diffent cables ??? Isn't this kind of over the top ?????
Just wondering
HeinV
NP Liquid Drum Theater Part II
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:31:11 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Cables Message-ID: <000f01bf4d28$8d604370$850d84d0@default>
> between different kind of speakers (easy), but between diffent cables ??? > Isn't this kind of over the top ?????
Shhhh!!! You know that and I know that but people like *whisperpssstheywhisperALpsstshhhhheybequiet!psst* don't know that. More expensive gear has a placebo effect on them. They are only psychologically prepared to receive the music better when no discernable change has really taken place. :) Little do they know that my MP3 collection sounds just as good through my Cambridge Soundworks computer speakers as it does through their collective Denon, etc. stuff. But let's allow them to enjoy their crudely-constructed, mentally divergent escapades knowing we're the ones who can accept reality. :)
Shhh. Just don't tell! -- KorgX3 is up waaaay past bedtime and the caffeine is rocking his ass. NP: John Tesh - Live at Red Rocking his ass.
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:37:18 +0100 From: "Wolfgang Rehmert" <Wolfgang.Remert@gmx.de> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Cables Message-ID: <000201bf4d31$eb2e9ca0$4652fd91@roterplatz>
Damn Korg, now you blew it!!!!
The whole Hi-Fi industry is going to collapse and all because of you. Because you so cunningly uncovered their marketing methods, they'll be forced into hiding or selling cheap stuff. Factories will have to close, unemployment rates will rise to the skies....this is how armageddon got started!! And all 'cause you didn't e-mail privately but had to shout it out loud!!!!!
:/\)
Wolfgang
Caffeine RULES! NP - Monster Magnet Powertrip
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:44:14 +0100 From: "Jorrit Godeke" <jogobass@hetnet.nl> To: "Y15374M" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: New Riffbreak CD now finished!! Message-ID: <003201bf4d4b$e87486e0$2a9979c3@JorritGodeke>
Hello Jammers,
Finally, after month of hard work, our new CD 'Beyond Redemption' is finally finished.
Please take the time to listen to the MP3's on our website: http://riffbreak.tripod.com
Let me know what you think of it!
--Jorrit ------------------------------ "Virtue constitutes happiness and selfcontrol is the essential part of virtue." (Cynic) -------------------------
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:03:24 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: LOL! Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB5312@ms.kallback.com>
]From the Marillion/Fish list:
"Worst - Dream Theatre, sorry guys. I have read and taken your advice on many things, but this CD has to be the pits (IMHO)! It sounds like a poor excuse for a bad Extreme CD (did the drummer get a new set of double bass drums for this??)"
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:51:59 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I found something I didn't like. Amazing. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912231246580.88704-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
After listening in awe to this album, I've found something I REALLY don't like. I can't believe they didn't notice this, actually, because to somebody who really listens well, it's so obvious. In the end of The Spirit Carries On, there's just the piano and bass playing (or it's a much softer section, at least - I don't know if it's just bass and piano or other stuff too, I think there's a gospel singer in there)... THe problem I have with it is that the bass is SO flat! Why would they not re-record something like that, when it's extremely obvious that the instrument is out of tune? I just couldn't believe something like that...
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- If it's raining, a cute thing to tell a child is "God is crying." If they ask why, another cute thing to say is, "Probably something you did." -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:51:50 -0400 From: "ARPROCH" <arproch@vtr.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: ARPROCH WEB PAGE Message-ID: <007901bf4d76$c6242340$4ad91bc8@default>
Dear Ytsejamers :
Hello to all the prog fans around the World. We would like to invite you = to meet the new web site of the Chilean Progressive Rock Association ARPROCH= : www.unete.cl/arproch
You can find a review of the LTE 2 Album and Meet a New Chilean Prog-Met= al Band : Cris=E1lida Besides in this First Issue : Prog News, An exclusive report to the trip of IQ to Chile with exclusive pictures, An interview to the Chilean Prog band TRYO, CD reviews: Steve Hackett, LTE, Pendragon, Fish, YES, Arena, Porcupine Tree among others - Dossier of the Chilean Prog Bands: Tryo, Standard Implacable, Subterra, Sur Pacifico, Amusia , Dwalin - Prog Gigs Reports, etc.
Also, we invite you to the poll of the end of the Century: Vote for the b= est 5 progressive bands and the best 5 progressive albums of the Millenium. T= o the voters we have a few surprises!!!
Any comments, reviews, colaborations, please send to our e-mail: arproch@vtr.net
Greetings and best wishes for this Christmas and the New Year 2000.
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