YTSEJAM Digest 5242
Today's Topics:
1) re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door.
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Slash
by Fett2002@aol.com
3) Re: emotional songs
by "Daniel T. Chen" <chenda@cs.unc.edu>
4) Stuff...
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
5) Y O/N M
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
6) Re: You Or/Not Me
by Cassiano Pereira Barbosa <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
7) Re: emotional songs
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
8) Re: Slash
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
9) Re: emotional songs
by Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
10) Dream Theater US Tour Dates Part 1
by Portnoy420@aol.com
11) DT covering King's X
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
12) Re: The Silent Date
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) Re:DT covering King's X
by "Nissinen Tommi"
14) Re:DT covering King's X
by "Nissinen Tommi"
15) Audio gear
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
16) Re: The differences between MP's video and a bootleg.
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
17) Re: Jordan and bootlegs
by "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" <mlpruchnicki@computec.de>
18) Re: emotional songs
by Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl>
19) Desmond Child and YNM vs. YOM
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
20) It's about time
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
21) RE: DT covering King's X
by "Webb, Ryan M." <RWebb@spectrapoint.com>
22) Re:Neil's cable.. huh huh huh
by "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
23) You Or/Not me / stuff
by Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
24) Re: The Perfect Woman
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
25) Gordian Knot?
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:19:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door.
Message-ID: <19991222011917.13372.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com>
"Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote:
>> Would we have a never ending debate over which
guitar player we liked
>> better? Yes. Would it still be DT? Yes.
> IMO? No. To me, they're barely (if even) Dream
Theater without Kevin Moore.
;o)
> I can imagine how many of us would still consider
them Dream Theater
> if Mike decided to give everyone the boot, hire Fred
Durst, Jerry Cantrell,
> Flea, and Trent Reznor and call that incarnation
Dream Theater.
Damn Korg, keep that shit quite! You've just
discovered the formula for a multi-platinum DT
recording. Don't be giving Mike any ideas...
my $.99, BH
-- KorgX3 takes my $.99 and invests wisely in nuggets.__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:24:36 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Slash Message-ID: <0.a89a5971.25918254@aol.com>
>hey, >Im not a musical genious. I know enough to keep up with the bpm, time >sigs etc. I know just because a guitarist doesn't do all the technical >stuff that JP, Vai and company do doesn't mean they cant still tear ass. >Have you ever seen Slash play a live show?. The man never stops moving. >All I did was give credit where credit is due. Slash is/was a kick ass >ROCK AND ROLL guitarists. Note I did not say metal, progressive, fusion, >technical I could go on. You get the point.
I completely 100% agree with ya. Alash goes on runs in his solos that are just great IMO. -Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:35:43 -0500 From: "Daniel T. Chen" <chenda@cs.unc.edu> To: "The Merry Ole 'Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: emotional songs Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.10.9912212009500.238694-100000@evans.cs.unc.edu>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote:
>> I was just wondering what everyone considers to be the most stirring >> or emotional piece of music that they have ever experienced. What has > > Pearl Jam - Black
Yes, "Black" remains one of my favorite Pearl Jams ever. Absolutely stunning in concert, BTW.
> Eric Johnson - Pavillion
[sic] I believe it's "Pavilion." ;-) Anything by EJ has the ability to floor me; the G3 show in Atlanta a while back had that effect. _Venus Isle_ is definitely my most-played EJ album. Wow, I could keep gushing over that *tone*!... Another great song is "Desert Rose," although the "Pavilion"-> "Venus Reprise" segue is also quite breathtaking...
> Les Miserables - On My Own
Funny, I'm not a big fan of this music in this musical. Why, I dunno. Perhaps it just doesn't strike me as does Haydn's Cello Concerto No. 1 in C-major. Or Mendellssohn's "The Hebrides" Overture ("Fingal's Cave"), Op. 26, for that matter. ;-) But it is a *fantastic* musical.
The only other musical that has near the devastating effect is "RENT," which I've seen on and off Broadway sixteen times (that's obssession! ;-). Still not a groupie, though...
> Pink Floyd - Terminal Frost...
Good song, although I would have picked "Echoes" or "High Hopes" (pretty diverse, eh?). The music in the former is astoundingly similar to a Mendellssohn piece; the latter's lyrics are simply dashing.
Of course, I'm beating a dead horse, but DT's "Space-Dye Vest" is a pretty darned emotional song, too. Several songs on Pain of Salvation's _One Hour by the Concrete Lake_ also qualify. Come to think of it, the music on Royal Hunt's double live disc set is amazing, and the crowd interaction is preserved, too, which should make some of y'all's (is that legal? ;-) day... The Mahavishnu Orchestra has some amazing stuff, too; _Between Nothingness & Eternity_ (just recently released as "The Lost Sessions" in studio form) has some spine-tingling passages. Miles Davis's "Tribute to Jack Johnson" is also stellar (I think Phish borrows quite a bit from the first song)...
*Nothing*, however-- and I do stress nothing-- will ever top Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2 in c-minor, Op. 18. I watched a video of Van Cliburn (sp?) perform this piece (at the Tchaikovsky International Piano Competition?) many, many moons ago and was/is captivated. Oh, the wings on the ivories...
A bit more than my usual $.02 this time 'round... ;-)
dtc
--- Daniel T. Chen chenda@cs.unc.edu
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 23:56:52 -0200 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Stuff... Message-ID: <F94188B5027B3D11DA4C0005B8E831CD@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>As I'm sure many other people will do as well, I'm going to have to >disagree >big time on this. John Petrucci is my favorite guitarist. If he were >replaced, Dream Theater IMO would be a completely different entity. >He is >100% essential to this band.
Agreed... John's, IMHO, the best guitarist out there now...
>I was just wondering what everyone considers to be the most stirring >or >emotional piece of music that they have ever experienced. What has >really >got you stirred up for whatever reasons??
Like Korg wrote, PJ's "Black" is a hell of a song, very emotional... John's solo in "Through Her Eyes" is also very touching... Mr. Crowley, in the Tribute album, sounds incredibly powerful to me... And seeing Page & Plant play Kashmir in the Un-Ledded tour was probably the most emotional one... There also others, but these are the ones I remember...
>He also played drums with U2 on the song "real thing" on the MTV >video >awards back in about 92.
Yeah... U2 songs are not really hard to follow, but that was quite impressive... And Dana Carvey is a fairly good drummer... The Wayne's World thing is the best display of that...
Later, Adriano
"A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush your mind right down the drain" DREAM THEATER Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get up to $200 towards airline tix: www.priceline.com/promo/zzn1 - Free!
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 03:01:30 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Y O/N M Message-ID: <v0422080cb485dbd06c24@[192.168.1.1]>
>You NOT Me is ASTRONOMICALLY better than You OR Me. Contrary to the above >statement, YNM grooves much harder and better than the demo YOM. The >chorus wallowed in its own indifference until the break was inserted and >the key was changed. The lyrics are better in the chorus, too.
You OR Me is ASTRONOMICALLY better than You NOT Me. Contrary to the above statement, YOM grooves much harder and better than the studio YNM. The chorus fits a lot better and is making for a lot more coherent song without the break and the key change. The lyrics are better in the chorus, too.
You see? It works either way. I, in fact, like the old version a lot better, but that doesn't make me someone who doesn't know about good songs. Taste differs, people, and if you can't live with that, keep your mouth shut and your fingers still, please.
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:19:19 -0200 From: Cassiano Pereira Barbosa <cassi.b@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: You Or/Not Me Message-ID: <385E02A7.80C4240B@uol.com.br>
Steve Zebrowski wrote: > You NOT Me is ASTRONOMICALLY better than You OR Me. Contrary to the above > statement, YNM grooves much harder and better than the demo YOM. The > chorus wallowed in its own indifference until the break was inserted and > the key was changed. The lyrics are better in the chorus, too. (I don't > really pay attention to the lyrics in the rest of the song.) The solo > section in YOM is a meaningless wank-fest, and it just generally sounds > like lazy composition; I'm glad it was edited down on the album version. > Granted, there are some parts I miss: the techno-bass intro was really > cool. I think it's much better than the drum intro. I also really miss > the piano/falsetto break before the "solo" section. Those things aside, > however, YNM is a VAST improvement.
OK, but I think that there's a difference between giving the song an improvement over the original arrangement (like they did with the other songs in FII) and giving the song really significant changes, like completely changing the chorus section in the case of YOM. I think it would be much cooler if there was a re-worked YOM version with the original chorus and bridge sections.
[]'s Cassiano
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:23:42 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: emotional songs Message-ID: <3860443E.481EAAD0@wezl.org>
I'd have to throw in my two bits and either say "Nora" from Kevin Moore's demo stuff, or Extreme's "Who Cares" from 3 sides to a story...I guess it's just some wacked personal thing but those two songs still give me goosebumps every time I hear them
"Daniel T. Chen" wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote: > > >> I was just wondering what everyone considers to be the most stirring > >> or emotional piece of music that they have ever experienced. What has
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:01:47 -0500 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Slash Message-ID: <38605B3B.51C4B9CE@yunque.net>
Kurt M Hampton wrote:
> hey, > Im not a musical genious. I know enough to keep up with the bpm, time > sigs etc. I know just because a guitarist doesn't do all the technical > stuff that JP, Vai and company do doesn't mean they cant still tear ass. > Have you ever seen Slash play a live show?. The man never stops moving. > All I did was give credit where credit is due. Slash is/was a kick ass > ROCK AND ROLL guitarists. Note I did not say metal, progressive, fusion, > technical I could go on. You get the point. >
Im sorry i just have to disagree, Slash's solos are sloppy and unoriginal. The only solos worth a damn are the ones on the ballads and even then its just basic stuff. Live? He seems to be tone deaf. I dont know but maybe i just dislike him so much because he is SO friggin overrated. Hes prolly the most overrated guitar player out there, aside from Kirk Hammet, who used to be good, and now is a sloppy mofo. And no im not a technical nazi...my favorite JP solos are the ones in slow songs, like one last time, spirit carries on, and my personal favorite : impact 2 on AOI. If sloppy pentatonic unoriginal blues guitar is your cup of tea..then slash rips..
Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:08:01 -0500 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: emotional songs Message-ID: <38605CB1.4BE13C95@yunque.net>
"Daniel T. Chen" wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote: > > >> I was just wondering what everyone considers to be the most stirring > >> or emotional piece of music that they have ever experienced. What has > > > > Pearl Jam - Black > > Yes, "Black" remains one of my favorite Pearl Jams ever. Absolutely > stunning in concert, BTW.
Here here! (or is it hear hear) This is one of my all time most emotional songs for me.. anyone who thinks pearl jam is a bunch of grunge wankers must listen to this song..its soo awesome in a heart wrenching kind of way. My other moments and this being i think my most stirring one..would be the end of ACOS...the whole I sit down with my son part. That is also oh so brutal. Now in the negative side of emotion i could say anything from Meshuggah will do the trick. (mental note: do not drive while being angry and listening to meshuggah).
Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:38:02 EST From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Theater US Tour Dates Part 1 Message-ID: <0.6c5cbd0e.2591afaa@aol.com>
Here is the first couple weeks of the US tour dates.... The remaining dates (mid Feb to Early March) will be confirmed in the coming days....
**The Dregs will not be joining the tour until the LA shows (as well as a *possible, but not definate* 3rd act TBA) **Opening act for the 1st three dates will be announced soon
Dream Theater - Metropolis 2000 US Tour
Monday January 31 Phoenix, AZ Celebrity Theater Tuesday February 01 Las Vegas, NV The Joint Wednesday February 02 Santa Anna, CA Galaxy Theater Friday February 04 Los Angeles, CA Palace Theater Saturday February 05 Los Angeles, CA Palace Theater Sunday February 06 San Francisco, CA Maritime Hall Wednesday February 09 Denver, CO The Fillmore Friday February 11 Minneapolis, MN State Theater Saturday February 12 Milwaukee, WI The Rave Sunday February 13 Chicago, IL The Riviera
Of course, all dates are subject to change....
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:03:25 +0100 From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT covering King's X Message-ID: <386077BD.CFAFB866@siol.net>
I discovered a cool site that has King's X songs covered by the fans and there is this awesome short cover of Over My Head that DT played in one of their medleys... Guess who's singing this oune :) Our faithfull drummer!! :)
Check it out: http://www.tapeheadz.co.uk/mp3/omh.mp3
Does anyone know when/where did DT perform this? Have DT performed any other King's X songs? Anyone, Mike? :)
This is so cool!!!
Matej
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:54:28 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Silent Date Message-ID: <386083B4.5E975ED0@isd.net>
Yours truly wrote: >> Is there something you'd like to share with us? It certainly starts >> me wondering how you *stumbled* across such a site.
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: |Actually, I think I spotted this thing in the latest Playboy (I believe it |was the Jan. 2000 issue, and NO, she wasn't one of the models). It might |have been Maxim, though... I'm not sure. I thought it was just about the |funniest thing I've seen in a while - I mean, hey, if you're going to buy |a blow-up doll, why not go in for the best equipment you can find (Al, I |KNOW you agree on this topic)?"
Dude! Talk about damage control.. You should be a Clinton cabinet member. :)
>> Was it perhaps a search for rare vinyl?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
> However, the lack of vocal cords more than makes up for that. :o)
|You obviously know what the perfect woman looks like, don't you? She's |two and a half feet tall, with a flat head, big ears, and no teeth. :)
I dunno.. I think I'll just settle for dentures. I don't think I could make many public appearances with *your* perfect woman. Nice packaging helps.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: 22 Dec 1999 10:07:00 +0300 From: "Nissinen Tommi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:DT covering King's X Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAG8TjwABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
Matej Grginic (22.12.1999 10:14): > >I discovered a cool site that has King's X songs covered by >the fans and there is this awesome short cover of Over My Head >that DT played in one of their medleys... Guess who's singing >this oune :) Our faithfull drummer!! :) > >Does anyone know when/where did DT perform this=3F
Try bootleg called The Rudess Experiment (scarred records). The date was May 22nd 1998 and place was Lubbox,TX,USA
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Date: 22 Dec 1999 10:08:00 +0300 From: "Nissinen Tommi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:DT covering King's X Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAG8T0gABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
Matej Grginic (22.12.1999 10:14): > >I discovered a cool site that has King's X songs covered by >the fans and there is this awesome short cover of Over My Head >that DT played in one of their medleys... Guess who's singing >this oune :) Our faithfull drummer!! :) > >Does anyone know when/where did DT perform this=3F
Try bootleg called The Rudess Experiment (scarred records). The date was May 22nd 1998 and place was Lubbox,TX,USA
-Tommi Nissinen
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:58:28 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Audio gear Message-ID: <386092B4.6673EE8C@isd.net>
For those of you interested... I stumbled on Stereophile's recommended components list. Pay attention Neil. :) http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~axiom13/reccom99.htm
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:29:10 +0100 From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The differences between MP's video and a bootleg. Message-ID: <386099E6.924A2462@home.se>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> However, at least two of the members of DT have officially stated that they > are pro-bootleg (I know JP is hard against them, but I don't know about JLB > and JR).
I actually asked Mike about this in October, and he said that Petrucci and James are "very against them" and Myung doesn't really care. He didn't know about Jordan's attitude though.
Andreas Skarin mailto:skarre@dtifc.com http://www.dtifc.com/sweden/
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:02:35 +0100 From: "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" <mlpruchnicki@computec.de> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Jordan and bootlegs Message-ID: <A1205194D0DAD2119B05006097B4030801E4ED@fileserver2>
> I actually asked Mike about this in October, and he said that Petrucci and > James are "very against them" and Myung doesn't really care. He didn't know > about Jordan's attitude though.
Jordan doesn't seem to have a problem with bootlegs. "Just send me a copy, too" seems to be the general comment from him when asked about this stuff :)
- Mike -- "What makes a dream so very different from any other dream ?" -- Michael Pruchnicki Editor PlayStation Zone, N-Zone
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:34:24 +0100 From: Marc van der Wal <M.R.van.der.Wal@cable.a2000.nl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: emotional songs Message-ID: <3860A930.8247EB89@cable.a2000.nl>
> *Nothing*, however-- and I do stress nothing-- will ever top > Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2 in c-minor, Op. 18. I watched a
I have to agree on this, Rachmaninov's piano conertos (esp. No.2 and 3) are among the most intense music I've ever heard. Highly recommended. It's cool that you mentioned this here.
Marc
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:43:18 -0000 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Desmond Child and YNM vs. YOM Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E2701A5C2C0@LON01XBCAPGE>
>Actually, I think Desmond Child SAVED that song. The orignal just drones >on and on and has no discernable hook. "His" version was actually decent. >Probably the worst song on FII, but still light-years better than the original. >Richie
Whoah! I'm on the other side of the argument to Richie! I certainly wasn't expecting that to happen! I'll be arguing with Korg, Jon Parmet and Jon Kretchmer next.
First: I love Desmond Child's work with Bon Jovi and Alic Cooper. If I think of Living on a Prayer, Poison, Let It Rock, I'm thinking of really catchy choruses, totally superb break/key changes and huge singalongability. Can you really croak along to James going 'It's all about you, not me'? I don't want to yell along in falsetto.
I don't know where the hook is in YNM. 'That's all right, that's ok' shows signs of Desmond Child, but it's not in the same league (as a break/hook, rather than lyrically) as the 'We gotta hold on to what we got, it doesn't make a difference if we make it or not' bit or the 'I want to kiss you but your lips are venomous Poison' or the 'It's all right/If you want to cross that line, break on through to the other side/Let It Rock!'. I HAVE to sing along to those. YNM makes my throat seize up just listening to it. So much for a key change!
Granted, the solo was 'uneconomic' (I liked it, but I can see that a producer would want to cut it back) but no more so than LTE. And I loved the bass at the beginning of the track and beneath the solo. It would be interesting to hear what the guys think, now that they don't have to plug FII. After all, Derek was saying he was more catholic than the Pope as far as writing prog was concerned, while the others were all huddling with Desmond Child. Did MP ever come back on that? Do DT think that YNM was an improvement?
Jonathan
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:19:48 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: It's about time Message-ID: <3860DE04.52F19E75@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I was just wondering what everyone considers to be the most stirring or > emotional piece of music that they have ever experienced.
I don't do 'most'
> What has really got you stirred up for whatever reasons??
Styx - Show Me The Way
It was mainly due to the video and where I was at that time in my life. Grandparents are just the coolest people ever created.
Regards, Jon
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:20:34 -0600 From: "Webb, Ryan M." <RWebb@spectrapoint.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: DT covering King's X Message-ID: <8D9A3E0C6F42D1118EDC0060081D3FFA0207B302@ucusmail.spectrapoint.com>
It's 'Lubbock',the city where I grew up...I was at that show, and the KingsX tune was one of MANY short 'covers' that the band did that night, I wish I could remember them all. I belive this was because Derek's rig lost power, so they had to improvise. James sang a couple covers, Mike did some, Derek sang and played guitar on one song...and Mike's drum tech came out and sang as well....all covers. I think James got a little pissed after awhile, he came back on stage, looked at mike, then said to the crowd something along the lines of 'how would you like to hear some DREAM THEATER music??'
-----Original Message----- ]From: "Nissinen Tommi"@fugazi.torchsong.com [mailto:"Nissinen Tommi"@fugazi.torchsong.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 2:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:DT covering King's X
Matej Grginic (22.12.1999 10:14): > >I discovered a cool site that has King's X songs covered by >the fans and there is this awesome short cover of Over My Head >that DT played in one of their medleys... Guess who's singing >this oune :) Our faithfull drummer!! :) > >Does anyone know when/where did DT perform this=3F
Try bootleg called The Rudess Experiment (scarred records). The date was May 22nd 1998 and place was Lubbox,TX,USA
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:01:34 -0000 From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re:Neil's cable.. huh huh huh Message-ID: <001501bf4c8d$76da9740$7c3f883e@default>
Warning here!! You need at least 300-500 hours of burn in on cables. After this time you will notice the soundstaging will improve, tighter more extended bass, sweeter treble etc. etc. If you are connecting a CD player or DAC to your amp I recommend an attenuated cable, especially if it is an older amp. Kimber do one that is "reasoably" priced, from £50-£415 per meter pair.
Also what Al says about cbles sounding differnt is true. The more money you pay the better, more transparent the cable etc. Upward of say £100 ($160) per meter of interconnecters you are buying "character cables." These you buy to get a patricular characteristic to help even you systems sound.
The most effective upgarde though is upraging mains power with a audophile didribution block and power leads.
A real cheap trick also is to colour the edge of the CD with a perminant green pen. Think I am crazy? It cuts down on internal reflection sin the CD improving clarity, soundstaging, extended bass etc. If you don't believe me try it, you will thank me if you do! ;)
Still i have never heard a Cd palyer I like, not even the top of the range Krells(£25,000.) Give me my SME 10 turntable any day!
If any of you want to improve your sound system for very little there a real cool site. That I got a lot of ideas from. Lokk under the Tip, tweaks and DIY section.
NP: King Crimson - In the court if King Crismson (on vinyl or course, the uber-format!!)
PS. Merry Xmas
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:54:29 -0500 From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: You Or/Not me / stuff Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC014670D0@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
a) You Not Me grooves harder. Much, much harder. I actually like the song; I hated it when I first heard it ("Shit. DT's lost it. This album's gonna suck."), but the song grew on me more and more to become one of the more-played tracks on FII (and the album didn't suck, to my relief).
b)
>You obviously know what the perfect woman looks like, don't you? She's >two and a half feet tall, with a flat head, big ears, and no teeth. :)
Andrew, you forgot to mention that at midnight, the perfect woman turns into a roast beef sandwich and a six pack. And she's also a blind deaf nymphomaniac who owns her own liquor store, has a huge trust fund, and season tickets to <enter name of favorite sports team here>.
c)
>Wendy's burgers are lame, but the chicken sandwiches rule.
No way!!
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:18:31 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: The Perfect Woman Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912221215380.30307-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS wrote:
> >You obviously know what the perfect woman looks like, don't you? She's > >two and a half feet tall, with a flat head, big ears, and no teeth. :) > > Andrew, you forgot to mention that at midnight, the perfect woman > turns into a roast beef sandwich and a six pack. And she's also a > blind deaf nymphomaniac who owns her own liquor store, has a huge > trust fund, and season tickets to <enter name of favorite sports team > here>.
Well, the reason she's got a flat head, obviously, is so that you can rest your beer on top of it. The having no teeth thing speaks for itself - but the reason she's got big ears is so you have something to grab onto. ;)
A trust fund and being a blind-deaf nympho would be nice too, however, I could do without the sports tickets. Turn them into season tickets to the Met and I'll consider your deal. :)
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:58:58 +0100 From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Gordian Knot? Message-ID: <000b01bf4ca6$5a67d6e0$a5ec1dc3@sasa>
hi! just a quick one... As I'm purchasing a hell-of-alot Cds in this time of year (as usual) I also need alot of recommendations. I know, I know, I'm bugging the living crap out of you cause all that I've been posting in the last month were "anyone heard this?" type-of-posts. Well, here's another one... :-))). As the subject says, this time it's about Gordian Know. Now, I know Sean Malone and Sean Reinert played on that album, I even heard a few clips (Rivers Dancing) but if someone has it in posession and is willing to elaborate on the "masterpiece" I'd be more than grateful... So, thanx ALOT!
p.s. I'm waiting for my copy of TSO - CE&OS and Explorers Club - Age Of Impact... :-)). That better be good! In case I don't post anything in the next few days...
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