YTSEJAM digest 5241

From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Date: Tue Dec 21 1999 - 19:48:14 EST

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 5241

    Today's Topics:

      1) Solstice
     by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
      2) Re: The Silent Date
     by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
      3) You Or/Not Me
     by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
      4) Scarred
     by William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu>
      5) Re: You Or/Not Me
     by JamesAhab@aol.com
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5240
     by Stixntrixx@aol.com
      7) Doh. I'm rambling again...
     by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
      8) RE: Doh. I'm rambling again...
     by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
      9) Re: Dream bands
     by Fett2002@aol.com
     10) Re: Band Member Stuff
     by Fett2002@aol.com
     11) Neil's cable.. huh huh huh
     by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
     12) Re: Mangini ... an opinion
     by Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
     13) Emotional Stuff
     by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
     14) Favorite DT album - last call!
     by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
     15) Fan Club & Christmas CD
     by Nick Storr <nick_storr@onaustralia.com.au>
     16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5240
     by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
     17) SHN files
     by Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com>
     18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5240
     by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
     19) We were given two ears and one mouth and they should be used in those
     by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
     20) Bleah. I finally found the closet door.
     by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
     21) Re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door.
     by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
     22) Re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door.
     by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
     23) Re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door.
     by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
     24) Re: Fan Club & Christmas CD
     by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
     25) Re: Slash
     by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
     26) Re: WDADU/LTE
     by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>

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    Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:27:29 -0800
    From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Solstice
    Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991220172729.00c7a890@objypop>

    >Just in case you have not seen this on the news yet....
    >This year the Winter Solstice, December 22 -- the longest night of the year,
    >will be extremely special. This is because the solstice will coincide with a
    >Full Moon. Ah, but not just any Full Moon.

    (blah blah)

    And it'll be my 27th damn birthday. You can thank me later. ;)

         ~Chris

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    Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:54:18 -0500 (EST)
    From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Re: The Silent Date
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912202048260.98511-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>

    On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote:

    > Is there something you'd like to share with us? It certainly starts
    > me wondering how you *stumbled* across such a site.

    Actually, I think I spotted this thing in the latest Playboy (I believe it
    was the Jan. 2000 issue, and NO, she wasn't one of the models). It might
    have been Maxim, though... I'm not sure. I thought it was just about the
    funniest thing I've seen in a while - I mean, hey, if you're going to buy
    a blow-up doll, why not go in for the best equipment you can find (Al, I
    KNOW you agree on this topic)?

    > Was it perhaps a search for rare vinyl?

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

    > However, the lack of vocal cords more than makes up for that. :o)

    You obviously know what the perfect woman looks like, don't you? She's
    two and a half feet tall, with a flat head, big ears, and no teeth. :)

    -------------------------------------------------
    Andrew Coutermarsh
    a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
    http://cout.dhs.org/
    Cloak on IRC
    ICQ: 2513441
    -------------------------------------------------
    The only stupid question is the one that is never
    asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about
    time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer,
    isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
    in fact, I was speeding?"
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    Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:23:00 -0500
    From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: You Or/Not Me
    Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991220212300.007ba6e0@pop.gl.umbc.edu>

    > Remove BMS, AL, TAMP, maybe JLMB. Add TWIUTB (the song that
    >should have been the single). Replace YNM with YOM (the beat is so much
    >better, the chorus is better, especially James; everyone grooves so much
    >more.

    Good God. I am beginning to think that I am the only person on this list
    with a clue what a good song is. :D

    You NOT Me is ASTRONOMICALLY better than You OR Me. Contrary to the above
    statement, YNM grooves much harder and better than the demo YOM. The
    chorus wallowed in its own indifference until the break was inserted and
    the key was changed. The lyrics are better in the chorus, too. (I don't
    really pay attention to the lyrics in the rest of the song.) The solo
    section in YOM is a meaningless wank-fest, and it just generally sounds
    like lazy composition; I'm glad it was edited down on the album version.

    Granted, there are some parts I miss: the techno-bass intro was really
    cool. I think it's much better than the drum intro. I also really miss
    the piano/falsetto break before the "solo" section. Those things aside,
    however, YNM is a VAST improvement.

    Steve Z

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    Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:24:00 -0500
    From: William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Scarred
    Message-ID: <385EE4C0.DB103261@cs.unc.edu>

    A week or so ago I posted a message warning everyone not to purchase
    from Scarred records (as if we shouldn't have all figured it out after
    Prism). I did eventually receive my goods from Scarred, albeit very
    late. Just wanted to put Ryan's name in semi-good standing. Better
    late than never.

    Cary

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    Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:55:29 EST
    From: JamesAhab@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: You Or/Not Me
    Message-ID: <0.eb6ff39.25904621@aol.com>

    >< > Remove BMS, AL, TAMP, maybe JLMB. Add TWIUTB (the song that
    >should have been the single). Replace YNM with YOM (the beat is so much
    >better, the chorus is better, especially James; everyone grooves so much
    >more.

    Good God. I am beginning to think that I am the only person on this list
    with a clue what a good song is. :D

    You NOT Me is ASTRONOMICALLY better than You OR Me. Contrary to the above
    statement, YNM grooves much harder and better than the demo YOM. The chorus
    wallowed in its own indifference until the break was inserted and the key was
    changed. The lyrics are better in the chorus, too. (I don't really pay
    attention to the lyrics in the rest of the song.) The solo section in YOM is
    a meaningless wank-fest, and it just generally sounds like lazy composition;
    I'm glad it was edited down on the album version. ><

    I agree. I was beginning to think I was the only person on the face of the
    Earth who liked YNM better than YOM. I don't really care about the lyrics,
    but the music of YNM is far better and more importantly better-written than
    the music of YOM. Not that either song is particularly good.

    jim

    np: spocks beard: the light

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    Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:02:06 EST
    From: Stixntrixx@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5240
    Message-ID: <0.8aaa1659.259047ae@aol.com>

    In a message dated 99-12-20 20:02:37 EST, you write:

    << He completely changed the lyrics into typically cheesy
     relationship lyrics that you can hear on any generic top 40 hit. >>

    Actually, I think Desmond Child SAVED that song. The orignal just drones on
    and on and has no discernable hook. "His" version was actually decent.
    Probably the worst song on FII, but still light-years better than the
    original.

    Richie

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    Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:33:06 -0700
    From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: Doh. I'm rambling again...
    Message-ID: <003c01bf4b64$4266a820$780d84d0@safelink.net>

    > You NOT Me is ASTRONOMICALLY better than You OR Me.

    I don't care either way. Both are fun to sing to in the car. hehehe.
    Especially if you invent your own harmony strand in the chorus that actually
    works. :) It makes bathtime lots of fun.

    > You obviously know what the perfect woman looks like, don't you? She's
    > two and a half feet tall, with a flat head, big ears, and no teeth. :)

    Why is it I see Coldfire and Lisa Marie passing out bullets to all of the
    other ytse-grrrrls? And why is it I see the Ice Queen laughing
    hysterically? I mean, does she really have a dick? Doh! :)

    On top of things I'd like to thank Dave Thomas (not the pixel planet guy)
    for having such great, tasty, crunchy chicken nuggets for $.99. I'd also
    like to thank Dave Thomas (the pixel planet guy) for having such similar
    tastes in music as I and for having heard Pain of Savation's OHbtCL and The
    Gathering's Nighttime Birds before me, thus piquing my interest in picking
    them up and being wholely satisfied with both. And I'd also like to thank
    Dave Thomas (aka Psycho Charlie) for being such a good sport when I made fun
    of him all the time for being handicapped back in high school. Gotta keep
    those turds out of the gene pool (Just kidding, dammit! Or am I?)

    I'd also like to thank Russia for giving me Beef Stroganoff even if Al
    thinks I make it all wussy and un-Russian-like. We can all thank the US
    gov't for not allowing me to afford Sirloin whenever I feel like cooking it
    (twice a week). Hamburger works fine and the gov't gets its cut. :)

    --
    KorgX3 puts on his apron and washes his Land Before Time toys.
    NP: The Gathering - Nighttime Birds.
    

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    Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:33:17 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Doh. I'm rambling again... Message-ID: <004201bf4b6c$816e3da0$046400c0@oemcomputer>

    > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Korg Ecksthrey > Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 7:44 PM > > On top of things I'd like to thank Dave Thomas (not the pixel > planet guy) > for having such great, tasty, crunchy chicken nuggets for > $.99.

    Wendy's burgers are lame, but the chicken sandwiches rule.

    >I'd also > like to thank Dave Thomas (the pixel planet guy) for having > such similar > tastes in music as I and for having heard Pain of Savation's > OHbtCL and The > Gathering's Nighttime Birds before me, thus piquing my > interest in picking > them up and being wholely satisfied with both.

    Thanks. I figure you read my opinion on these on my "Top 90 CDs of the '90's" list currently featured at www.pixelplanet.com (shameless plug over). Thanks for reading. That article was fun to write, even if it did take a lot more work than I thought it would. Thanks to everyone that sent along their kind (and sometimes not as kind) comments. Both of the above mentioned CDs are very good, and should be checked out by everyone.

    > And I'd also > like to thank > Dave Thomas (aka Psycho Charlie) for being such a good sport > when I made fun > of him all the time for being handicapped back in high > school. Gotta keep > those turds out of the gene pool (Just kidding, dammit! Or am I?)

    Well, this sounds about right. It was almost twenty years ago, but I can still remember all my high school adventures. Being endlessly insulted by almost everyone. Being told by any girl I attempted to show interest in that they just wanted to be "friends" (which in case you didn't know, is a coded way of saying "You are far too repulsive for me to ever think about touching"). Spending much of my spare time playing the guitar. Hiding in the house.

    Hmm, come to think of it, this doesn't sound too different from now, except I spend most of my spare time playing Everquest/Unreal Tournament as opposed to playing the guitar. Well, I do have a woman that is more than a "friend" too, so I guess that part worked out OK.

    And there's no need to worry about me polluting the gene pool. No kids around here, either now or in the future. We'll stick with cats. If you decide to go away for the weekend, you can just put down a bowl of food and water and leave. Do this sort of thing with a kid, and you end up spending far too much time talking to various authority figures. Not my idea of a good time.

    Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:43:05 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dream bands Message-ID: <0.5191df76.25908989@aol.com>

    >As an excercise similar to imagining the perfect girl of my dreams, I have >always imagined what would be the composition of an hypothetical perfect >prog band.

    It's always cool to come up with hypothetical "supergroups" that have a lot of our favorite musicains in them. I for one though, thank God that these type of bands rarely ever come into existence. For often, they work much better on paper then they do in reality. For example, remember back in the early 80's when Jimmy Page (from Zepplin of course) and Paul Rodgers (from Bad Company) formed the Firm? Many people had great expectations from that band but God did they suck! I just thought I'd mention this. Having said this though, putting a band together like in prog rock would probably have a better chance of succeeding than most other genres. Anyone out there have examples of these supergroups that worked or didn't work? I'd be interested in hearing people' s responses. -Mike C.

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 03:06:41 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Band Member Stuff Message-ID: <0.c6b7bdf1.25908f11@aol.com>

    >What if Petrucci had left after Awake and been >replaced by Reb Beach? Or Steve Vai? Or Micheal Romeo? >Would we still be listening? Yes. Would we have a >never ending debate over which guitar player we liked >better? Yes. Would it still be DT? Yes.

    >my $.02, BH

    As I'm sure many other people will do as well, I'm going to have to disagree big time on this. John Petrucci is my favorite guitarist. If he were replaced, Dream Theater IMO would be a completely different entity. He is 100% essential to this band. The CD may still say Dream Theater, the concert ticket may still say Dream Theater, but brother it wouldn't be Dream Theater! Not to me at least. And I really dont think that we would be having an argument over which guitartist we all liked best. I think that this list would be very nonexistent at that point. Not to say that the new entity wouldn't be a god band neccessarily but it wouldn't be the SAME band or IMO as good.

    Also at this point, I think that since all the guys have been in the band for such a long time that no one would consider the band to still be Dream Theater if one of them left (except for the keyboard player since there have been many changes recently and we're used to that!). Perhaps we would still listen to them but I dont think it would be quite the same.

    -Mike C.

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:26:43 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Neil's cable.. huh huh huh Message-ID: <385F39C3.E1C157C7@isd.net>

    Neil Gallop wrote: >Once more I have to tip my hat to the wisdom of good >ol' Al. This weekend I replaced the cables I use to >connect up my stereo (not the speaker cables - they are already pretty >good). I spent about DM 300 (approx. >US $ 150) and the difference is quite amazing. Lots >more detail, a smoother overall tone and feel. Well >worth it, and something I would recommend to anybody >else who is considering making this move. But I can't >help feeling this will get very expensive in the end...

    Let me help you justify your expense.. I'll bet you've spent more than US $150.00 on CDs that suck. How much do you use them? The DM 300 you've spent on your cables will heighten your enjoyment of every CD you hold dear for years to come... In my book, That's priceless.

    Start setting some cash aside for a new CD player... Once you've acquired a more detailed and dynamic player, you'll be hooked on hi-end for life. Figure on spending about US $800.00 - $1,500.00 to get your foot in the door... I warn you though.. There's no turning back, and it only gets more expensive as you go. BUT IT'S WORTH IT!!! :o)

    PS. What's really twisted is the fact that you could buy several different brands of cables in the same price range, and each one of them will have a slightly different sonic signature. It can really mind fuck you as you try to decide what cable to purchase. It's best to have all the cables the same. I usually recommend people buy a few sets of cables and spend some time listening to each cable group with plenty of familiar CDs. Once you've made the decision which cable sounds best with YOUR GEAR, return the others to the store. Most hi-end stores are receptive to sales of that nature. A certain cable can sound great on one preamp and lousy on another. It all depends on the termination impedance at each end, and how the gear responds to the differences in capacitance and inductance offered by each cable. Confused? Well that's half the fun of hi-end system building. :-)

    NP: Engine -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:40:53 -0800 (PST) From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mangini ... an opinion Message-ID: <19991221084053.12463.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>

    >Billy Cobham, I salute you! (Now thats a polyrythmic >dude.) With MP I think I could play along without >counting, no way with Cobham too freaky.

    I know that Billy is a single stroke master (check out Drums By Design, or his article in Modern Drummer, Dec '99) but I don't think he is a polyrhythmic dude.

    my $.02, Martin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:42:07 +0100 From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Emotional Stuff Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC45F0@julia.um.be>

    Somebody wrote: <I was just wondering what everyone considers to be the most stirring or <emotional piece of music that they have ever experienced. What has really <got you stirred up for whatever reasons??

    My experience is 'Forgotten Sons' from 'Real To Reel', old live album made by Marillion. 'Mother Brown has lost her child...'

    Bye

    HeinV

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:18:37 PST From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Favorite DT album - last call! Message-ID: <19991221101837.38939.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Votes are still coming in pretty consistently, but I want to draw from as large a population as possible. If you haven't voted for your single favorite DT album, this is your last chance!

    Send the name of the album in the subject line to: glyde@hotmail.com Results will be posted between Christmas and New Year's.

    Regards,

    - Dr. Teeth

    P.S. Don't forget to participate in Neil Gallop's "Best albums of 1999" poll. He's accepting your top 10 albums of the year. I forgot his e-mail address but he posts pretty consistenly. He's compiling his as we speak right now! Let your vote count! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:04:05 +1100 From: Nick Storr <nick_storr@onaustralia.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Fan Club & Christmas CD Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991221110404.006d63c0@onaustralia.com.au>

    Hey y'all

    I think I asked this last year too... Once again I've left my run VERY late to join the Fanclub... does anyone know if I'll still be up for a CD if I join NOW?

    I'll do it anyway... at least get in early for next year's :)

    Nick Storr

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    Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:27:09 +1100 From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5240 Message-ID: <38D8216C.C0E854E2@alphalink.com.au>

    > I was just wondering what everyone considers to be the most stirring or > emotional piece of music that they have ever experienced. What has really > got you stirred up for whatever reasons??

    This could be interesting (although its probably been done before) I scanned my CDs and came up with these- Led Zeppelin - Kashmir Smashing Pumpkins - Disarm Dream Theater - Fatal Tragedy guitar solo Pink Floyd - All of Dark Side of the Moon and all of Animals Tool - Forty Six and Two Faith No More - Evidence

    On the drum machine thing, I liked a quote from Bjork. In reference to electronic music she said if there was no emotion in electronic music it was because people hadnt put the emotion there. I agree that currently 99% of electronica is fairly unemotional but I would say the same about guitar, drums etc. I have a theory that if you spend a hell of a lot of time playing an instrument you learn its sounds and learn to bring out its emotion. I think Bjork's work is very emotional as well as Trent Reznor, Massive Attack and a handful of other bands.

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:01:22 -0500 From: Shane Hunziker <Shane.Hunziker@harbinger.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SHN files Message-ID: <FB6DDB4A76FED21181170090273C5FA8BEB8F7@atlmisech1.harbinger.com>

    Does anybody on the list have any shows in the shortened WAV format?? I just burned an Ozrics show and I gotta admit, it beats the hell out of mp3!

    Shane Hunziker Harbinger Quality Assurance -------------------------------------- "You can find all you need in your mind If you take the time."--Dream Theater

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:31:17 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5240 Message-ID: <002701bf4bc8$6db23080$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>

    > I was just wondering what everyone considers to be the most stirring or > emotional piece of music that they have ever experienced. What has really > got you stirred up for whatever reasons??

    Ocean Machine - Things Beyond Things Marillion - All of Misplaced Childhood and The Space Pearl Jam - Black Alkaemy - Nimue's Lament Chris and Johnny - Boulder River Eric Johnson - Pavillion Kenny G - In The Rain (hehehe) Les Miserables - On My Own Pink Floyd - Terminal Frost...

    Before this turns into a top ten list, I'll stop right there. :) -- KorgX3 listens to alot of stuff like that. NP: Pain of Salvation - One Hour... (Count this in there too)

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:39:19 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: We were given two ears and one mouth and they should be used in those Message-ID: <385FC957.37F12A04@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>

    When Mike speaks do people listen?

    With all the theorizing it's surprising how, after reading the posts that no one mentioned a certain someone that *Mike himself* indicated was one of a very select few who could replace him should the unthinkable happen. Guess you'll get a chance to see/hear that someone soon enough, though ;)

    BH: > Would we have a never ending debate over which guitar player we liked > better? Yes. Would it still be DT? Yes.

    Nice.

    Regards, Jon

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:20:02 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Bleah. I finally found the closet door. Message-ID: <001201bf4be8$a84d5740$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>

    >that no one mentioned a certain someone that *Mike himself* indicated >was one of a very select few who could replace him should the

    Sean Reinert? Dana Carvey? Mickey Mantle? Richie Cunningham? Actually Dana Carvey rocks. I was watching some stand-up show he did on Comedy Central where he was going through an act of making fun of musicians. He was playing guitar, piano, singing, not too badly either. hehehe. I always thought he was just a drummer. Not too shabby.

    And this has been popping up here and there: >> Would we have a never ending debate over which guitar player we liked >> better? Yes. Would it still be DT? Yes.

    IMO? No. To me, they're barely (if even) Dream Theater without Kevin Moore. Dream Theater is not some concrete thing that gets passed from autobot to autobot like the Prime Matrix, hoping one day someone will be able to harness its full ability. It's an individualized abstract presence made up of a group of five particular people. It all especially depends on which era of a band you're attached to. John's guitar style is a signifigant presence in DT. Take it away and replace it with someone else, and it's not the same. Rush could have replaced Neil Peart, but then would you still consider them Rush?

    Dream Theater is what each individual fan makes of them. Not what the band makes themselves. I can imagine how many of us would still consider them Dream Theater if Mike decided to give everyone the boot, hire Fred Durst, Jerry Cantrell, Flea, and Trent Reznor and call that incarnation Dream Theater. They may still be Dream Theater in name, but not in spirit, and I'm sure alot of us fans would reject it. -- KorgX3, who is enjoying SFaM less and less with each listen. NP: Liquid Tension Theater - Scenes From a Memory

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:31:13 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door. Message-ID: <001101bf4bf2$8269bdc0$b13ffea9@dan>

    ]From: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> Subject: Bleah. I finally found the closet door.

    > Sean Reinert? Dana Carvey? Mickey Mantle? Richie Cunningham? > Actually Dana Carvey rocks. I was watching some stand-up show he did on > Comedy Central where he was going through an act of making fun of musicians. > He was playing guitar, piano, singing, not too badly either. hehehe. I > always thought he was just a drummer. Not too shabby.

    opposite for me. i have seen the "chopping broccoli" skit dozens of times (still funny :), and i thought he just played piano, then a few days ago i saw him do a church lady skit where (s)he played drums and went into a drum solo, and i was like "damn, hes good at drums too". hehe.

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:52:40 -0400 From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door. Message-ID: <001901bf4bf5$528e6e40$37351ec8@yunque.net>

    > ]From: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Bleah. I finally found the closet door. > > > > Sean Reinert? Dana Carvey? Mickey Mantle? Richie Cunningham? > > Actually Dana Carvey rocks. I was watching some stand-up show he did on > > Comedy Central where he was going through an act of making fun of > musicians. > > He was playing guitar, piano, singing, not too badly either. hehehe. I > > always thought he was just a drummer. Not too shabby. > > opposite for me. i have seen the "chopping broccoli" skit dozens of times > (still funny :), and i thought he just played piano, then a few days ago i > saw him do a church lady skit where (s)he played drums and went into a drum > solo, and i was like "damn, hes good at drums too". hehe. >

    so that means you havent seen waynes world? He does a drum solo in the first movie to.. and in some Waynes world skits too heh he IS good....

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:11:56 -0600 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door. Message-ID: <B485493C.1C98%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>

    He also played drums with U2 on the song "real thing" on the MTV video awards back in about 92.

    -Brian

    --

    "Is there anything you won't drink?" "Poison. I'm saving it for you."

    > From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> > Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:07:29 -0800 (PST) > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: Re: Bleah. I finally found the closet door. > > >> ]From: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> >> Subject: Bleah. I finally found the closet door. >> >> >>> Sean Reinert? Dana Carvey? Mickey Mantle? Richie Cunningham? >>> Actually Dana Carvey rocks. I was watching some stand-up show he did on >>> Comedy Central where he was going through an act of making fun of >> musicians. >>> He was playing guitar, piano, singing, not too badly either. hehehe. I >>> always thought he was just a drummer. Not too shabby. >> >> opposite for me. i have seen the "chopping broccoli" skit dozens of times >> (still funny :), and i thought he just played piano, then a few days ago i >> saw him do a church lady skit where (s)he played drums and went into a > drum >> solo, and i was like "damn, hes good at drums too". hehe. >> > > so that means you havent seen waynes world? He does a drum solo in the first > movie to.. and in some Waynes world skits too > heh > he IS good.... > > >

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:20:23 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Fan Club & Christmas CD Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991221172005.00a27c10@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>

    How does one know when his DT ifc membership has expired? fAt 07:14 AM 12/21/99 , you wrote:

    >Hey y'all > >I think I asked this last year too... Once again I've left my run VERY late >to join the Fanclub... does anyone know if I'll still be up for a CD if I >join NOW? > >I'll do it anyway... at least get in early for next year's :) > >Nick Storr

    -- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio every Tuesday night from 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern time. go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. Comedy on the Internet. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words

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    Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:21:42 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Slash Message-ID: <19991221.163029.2998.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>

    hey, Im not a musical genious. I know enough to keep up with the bpm, time sigs etc. I know just because a guitarist doesn't do all the technical stuff that JP, Vai and company do doesn't mean they cant still tear ass. Have you ever seen Slash play a live show?. The man never stops moving. All I did was give credit where credit is due. Slash is/was a kick ass ROCK AND ROLL guitarists. Note I did not say metal, progressive, fusion, technical I could go on. You get the point.

    Kurt NP-Galactic Cowboys At the End Of the Day (Another good rockin band)

    "and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone" "Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred" 45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower

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    Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:34:56 +0100 From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: WDADU/LTE Message-ID: <199912220134560040.0005DCA6@post.hem.hu>

    Hi all + Martin,

    At first, I have to admit that I just don't have any problem with Dominici's voice. He is not a great singer, but fuck, he's allright on WDADU. I can't imagine WDADU sang by KJLB in studio. I think the sound of that album is very bad, but its due to the lack of financial support given to the band.

    >Especially >when he sings 'killing haeaeaend...' Aargh, driving me >nuts every time I hear it. :-)

    Well, I got goosebumps everytime I listen to that part. It's just pretty fine.

    >Anyway, I somehow don't get it how the hell they could >take such singer like Dominici.

    Oh, They didn't have any chance. They had to find a singer as they had helluva much unreleased material back in 1988-89.

    Bye

    ZZZZZ mailto:zeusz@bigfoot.com UIN:7315852 HP:http://RS.irisz.hu/zeusz

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