YTSEJAM Digest 5237
Today's Topics:
1) Russian fans
by Ksenia troitskaya <snusm@yahoo.com>
2) Re(2): Helsinki tickets
by "Nissinen Tommi"
3) A letter to the North Pole (NDTC)
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
4) Re: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
5) Re: Lyrical Sophistication
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
6) DT without MP
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
7) Polyrythmic King?
by "Jorrit Godeke" <jogobass@hetnet.nl>
8) Xmas CD
by "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
9) James' voice
by "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
10) NDTC: Looking for a Helloween Bootleg
by MTeiper@aol.com
11) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5236
by "The Wizard" <thewizard@gw.total-web.net>
12) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5236
by "The Wizard" <thewizard@gw.total-web.net>
13) Mike Portnoy
by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
14) Re: MP
by Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
15) Pink Floyd and TSO concert
by Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5236
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
17)
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
18) RE: Polyrythmic King?
by David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
19) Re: Why drum machines kick ass.
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
20) Re: DT without MP
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
21) re: the (minor) problem with jordan
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
22) Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
by Greg Kristianson <gkristia@UCALGARY.CA>
23) Re: DT without MP
by "DarkHarmony" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
24) RE: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
25) Info on finding out about European prog tours?
by "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:32:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Ksenia troitskaya <snusm@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Russian fans
Message-ID: <19991217073248.13914.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com>
Just wondering... Is there in ytsejam mailinglist
somebody from Russia?
If yes, write to me.
thanx
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Date: 17 Dec 1999 09:38:00 +0300
From: "Nissinen Tommi"
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re(2): Helsinki tickets
Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAG1urwABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
Tanja Sorsa (17.12.1999 9:55):
>And just to add to this reminder, please remember that even if the
>show is in Ice Hall, they will turn it into an amphitheater so there
>will be much less tickets on sale!
>
>Tanja
>http://Tenze.tripod.com
>
When I bought my ticket yesterday (yess!!!) they didn=B4t know anything abo=
ut
that amphitheater-thing at Jyvaskyla=B4s lippupalvelu and they sold tickets=
to
almost every part of the ice hall. Although I mentioned about it to them and
they said they don=B4t know=20anything about it. So what=B4s it gonna be...
waiting march 24th...
-Tommi
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:46:32 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: A letter to the North Pole (NDTC)
Message-ID: <385A0677.1A3D5A16@isd.net>
Dear Santa,
I haven't written a letter to you in decades. I feel it's safe to say I've never
asked for much. I'd like some credit for that applied to this years request.
Santa, I want the perfect woman. With the face of a goddess, Body of a
Cosmopolitan cover girl, voice of an angel, and the wisdom of Solomon...
Oh yeah, dentures would be a nice touch...
PS. There's some *special* cookies in it for you. I'd recommend not giving
any of them to the reindeer.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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Chet's nuts roasting on an open fire...
Happy Holidays!
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:48:04 +0100
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
Message-ID: <385A06D4.E3416B55@siol.net>
>I believe that Dream Theater with someone else att drums, maybe Vinnie
>Colaiuta, Gregg Bisonnette, or Terry Bozzio, would be MUCH better, and
>musical...
>
Dude... I've no idea what kind of shit have you been smoking, but it's
obviously starting to affect your judgement :)
Those are all fine drummers you mentioned, but Mike IS what makes DT
such a kick ass band, he aces at every aspect of drumming.
I hope Mike isn't taking this crap serious...
M.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:39:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Lyrical Sophistication
Message-ID: <19991217103944.18884.qmail@web501.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Neil Evans <progmtl@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Tristam Douglas asked about DT lyrics: "What is
> generally considered to be
> the best effort."
>
> I don't know that there's any consensus, but here's
> my opinion. I think
> Kevin is/was the best DT lyricist, closely followed
> by John Petrucci. In
> particular, my favorite lyrical song is "Only a
> Matter of Time." The lyrics
> are brilliant and poetic, and I have to give Charlie
> a lot of credit for
> finding a cool way to sing such challenging lyrics
> over such complex music.
I'd have to say a toss up between "Space Dye Vest" and
"A Change Of Seasons". Petrucci is good, but I always
preferred Mikey's lyrics for some reason, esp ACOS. I
dunno why...
=====
*Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue.
People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes.
There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead.
Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them.
So I try to forget them anyway I can."
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:42:29 +0100
From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT without MP
Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC45D6@julia.um.be>
Somebody wrote..
>I believe that Dream Theater with someone else att drums, maybe Vinnie
>Colaiuta, Gregg Bisonnette, or Terry Bozzio, would be MUCH better, and
>musical...
I certainly believe that MP is the biggest force behind our favourite band,
together with JP. I believe we could have DT without JLB or JM or JR. But
take away MP or JP and things will never be the same and never as DT-like as
they are now. Colaiuta and Bozzio are excellent drummers and I also think
that we should not exaggerate MP's capability. They are just playing other
music and MP fits very wel for the music they are playing right now. And
don't forget that MP is not just drumming in this band. He is very 'much
involved in every aspect of this band' (sic, see the FAQ on his website). S
IMHO he is a VERY BIG influence on everything DT does and does not. However,
what is miss in MP's drumming is what I would call 'dynamics'. At the end of
the first Liquid Drum Theater is a drum solo. Technically impressive, but
the whole solo is at a same volume level... I prefer what Neil Peart is
doing so well, o solo with a lot of dynamic. If you know what I mean...
Bang That Head That Doesn't Bang - For the early Metallica Fans
HeinV
NP. Shadow Gallery - Tyranny. My girlfriend says it sounds like Europe. She
will be punished appropriately.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:53:43 +0100
From: "Jorrit Godeke" <jogobass@hetnet.nl>
To: "Y15374M" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Polyrythmic King?
Message-ID: <006901bf487d$1783f8e0$0b9979c3@JorritGodeke>
YOHO, here's mister Hanky
IMHO, I think there's only one true polyrythmic king of drums:
the drummer of Meshuggah. (Shit, can't remember his name)
Later,
--Jorrit%
NP: DT-Y2K demo (M2 is nothing compaired to M3 ;-)
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PS. Sorry if the above offends anyone, I just HAD to post it once.
Won't happen again, bye.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:39:38 +0100
From: "Vandenabeele, Hein" <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Xmas CD
Message-ID: <F999CB08F9C7D21195E30008C70D3506CC45E0@julia.um.be>
I found this on dreamtheater.net...
>Official Dream Theater fanclub members can expect their fanzine and
Christmas CD in the first half of January, 2000. Due to a delay with the
pressing of the CDs, it will >unfortunately not be possible to meet the
"Christmas deadline". Don't worry, it'll be well worth the wait!
Let's say, three more weeks.
HeinV
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:03:08 -0000
From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
Cc: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: James' voice
Message-ID: <000901bf4897$9ca23180$b852883e@default>
It is well documented that the male voice deepens with age. Greg Lake is a
prime example. This may be the reason why you prefer his voice now.
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Tristam Douglas
tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:21:43 EST
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: NDTC: Looking for a Helloween Bootleg
Message-ID: <0.ea3ff08b.258ba0f7@aol.com>
I realize this is a longshot, but I figured I'd give it a try anyway. Does
anyone out there have, or know where they can get, a Helloween boot called
"Hell Singles Part 2"? I am curious to know a track listing if someone can
supply that for me.
Thanks in advance... Matt T.
NP: Rush "Permanent Waves"
PS: "Natural Science" may be the best Rush song EVER!!! IMHO of course.
:-)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:44:31 -0500
From: "The Wizard" <thewizard@gw.total-web.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5236
Message-ID: <NDBBJAOKCLFDIHNFDJMHOEGGCAAA.thewizard@gw.total-web.net>
Hey all,
Everyone is talkin about lyrics and such here. I'd like to see Mike and the
gang offer a lyrics contest for all fans. We can enter into the contest and
if your song is picked you get to go into the studio with the band and watch
them make and record the CD. All from a fan's idea. To do this there
shouldn't be any limits to the amount of words in the lyric, only that it be
of good content.
For all you musicians out there, maybe they should offer a contest for the
best prog demo tape or MP3. Have a contest musically, the winner would get
time in the studio to record the track with the help of DT. Wouldn't that be
cool. :))
Recently I went to a CD show here in Atlanta and got 5 CD's there. 4 of
which I think are great, as for the 5th one I am not liking the vocals.
The CD's are:
Tiles: Presents of Mind (great recording)
This is one of the favs of the groups. The bass tracks on this are
refreshing and great. The guitar could be a bit heavier, but over all I like
the effect. The recording is awesome, another Terry Brown mix.
Gordian Knot: Gordian Knot (another great recording)
A really nice prog CD that almost leans toward jazz. John Myung plays a
couple tracks and shows he's a great bass player. Over all a great CD,
recorded well too.
Labyrinth: Return to Heaven Denied
An all around great CD.
Angel Dust: Bleed
Another all around great CD.
Crimson Glory: Astronoaica
The music on this CD is awesome. I'm not into the vocals. He either sings
low or screams way to high and the mix of the two aren't very good. As a
band the music is there, but vocally he doesn't need to scream throughout
the CD. He could use it as a way to express pain or orrow instead of what he
does here. Just my opinion.
4 out of the 5 I recommend.
Enjoy,
The Wizard
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:52:23 -0500
From: "The Wizard" <thewizard@gw.total-web.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5236
Message-ID: <NDBBJAOKCLFDIHNFDJMHOEGJCAAA.thewizard@gw.total-web.net>
How do I change my e-mail address for this?
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:10:42 +0100
From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Mike Portnoy
Message-ID: <11z0tu-04q0MEC@fwd07.sul.t-online.de>
Yo Jamanoids!
I don't care if there are better Drummers than Mike. I just think no one could
replace him in DT. Think about it: If DT actually has a band leader, who is it?
Mike! Definitely. I have the impression that he gets things where they are. I
mean, he reads the jam (=listens to the fans), produced and concepted SFAM
(together with JP of course), makes funny videos for us and whatever . Dream
Theater without Mike Portnoy just wouldn't be Dream Theater.
I don't want to creep up Mike's ass (was that the right expression?) but he just
seems to be a great guy and I don't think anyone should even think about
replacing him.
Alex
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:25:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin <newmln@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: MP
Message-ID: <19991217172544.7125.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>
>This is my first post in the mailing list, and I want
>to ask all of you for a sincere opinion on Mike
>Portnoy=B4s playing, and his attitude towards
>the band and all:
Portnoy fits DT without any doubt.
>Do you really consider him a drum player that puts
>"feeling" and "sould" in his playing? (like Terry
>Bozzio, or Dave Weckl)
Look, I play drums and I know about that stuff a lot.
I've got 5 albums with Dave Weckl, but I don't like
his playing much. It's technically brilliant but, most
of the times, it lacks feeling (except Master Plan).
Bozzio is an awesome player (I've got BLS, Explorer's
Club and Zappa's albums) but he is a melodic player
rather than rhythm player now. :-) Btw, he has an
amazing drumset.
>I believe that Dream Theater with someone else att
>drums, maybe Vinnie
>Colaiuta, Gregg Bisonnette, or Terry Bozzio, would be
>MUCH better, and musical...
I can't imagine Vinnie Colaiuta or Bisonette whackin'
his drumkit on Mirror or Beyond This Life, sorry. :-)
Vinnie is such an amazing player but he plays kinda
jazz/rock/pop and not prog. rock. I have to agree that
Mangini would be the best replacement.
>dont you?
no, my friend. :-)
Martin
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:22:43 -0500
From: Michael Pontrelli <ponte@epix.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Pink Floyd and TSO concert
Message-ID: <385A7163.39FAEE96@epix.net>
>>And Learning to Fly, which DOES have some terrific guitar work form Gilmour
>>in it, has really bad lyrics: >"tongue tied and twisted, just an earth bound
>>blisted flight" What's up with THAT crap???
>I could be wrong but i thought this song was using airplane piloting (or
>skydiving) as a metaphor to getting hi for the first time.
>The lyrics make sense to me..
>This is what i get out of the song.. But i was also totally fucked up when i
>heard this for the first time and that might be were i'm getting this from..
>This, besides Comfortably Numb (DUH!), is my favorite song to listend to
>when i'm hi..
I thought the lyric is actually "Toungue tied and twisted just and
earthbound misfit, I"\
You can twist any song to be a drug reference. While I cannot say what
the Artist really meant, I always felt that this song was about
transending the normal boundaries which confine us. Whether that
transention is through drugs or some other means..who knows.
As an asside, Pink Floyd has been my favourite band for 15 years and I
still feel that they are one of the most poetic and intelligent bands
ever. And I never did any drugs!
PS: It was Pink Floyd which made me listen to other bands with Floydian
elements to them, such as Marillion, Queensryche, and Dream Theater. I
remember first hearing about that awesome song "Grendel" ten years ago
on the Floyd mailing list.
Now if anyone wants to send me a copy o the TSO concert..I would love to
see it. I wanted to go to the NYC show but didnt have anyone to go with
:( erghg.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:03:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5236
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991217095847.15596A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
<<So why not just walk across campus and tell him, rather than trying
to look like some kind of YtseSavior? It was obvious to everyone he
misunderstood Korg's post; why rub his nose in it publicly? Before you
tag me a hypocrite, remember: I already went home, and to tell you in
person, I'd have to pay money and call you. ;)
And to anybody who wants to flame me for yelling at Ke-- err, Andrew,
don't - he's a good friend of mine, so I'm just giving him this
friendly reminder. :)>>
It's the jam... if you make spares, you're gonna get your nose rubbed
in them... and Kenn, don't quote so much of a post. It wastes valuable
digest space. And don't talk with your mouth full. And quit dragging
mud across my nice, clean kitchen floor!
--Matt (who IS Nick Danger, third eye)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:07:05 GMT
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Message-ID: <19991217180705.88945.qmail@hotmail.com>
you haven't been around long enough :) korg's just fucking around..
sarcasm man..sarcasm
inferno
NP: artension - phoenix rising
some guy said in response to korg:
>I myself, being a musician (not a drummer mind you) have to disagree
>with you. While drum machines are capable of creating parts that are
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:15:27 -0700
From: David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Polyrythmic King?
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E617521179F3@MESSAGING>
I am a fan of Meshuggah dude's work (I can't remember his name either), but
nobody comes CLOSE to Mangini. I've seen him do clinics and shows with
Steve Vai, and anybody that can carry different weird-ass time sigs with
each of his limbs SIMULTANEOUSLY is my hero. In his clinic, he played 13
beats/measure with the double bass, while soloing over the top with 5
beats/measure in his right hand and 11 beats/measure in his left hand.
Complete cluster-fuck... :)
David Dixon, MCP
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-----Original Message-----
]From: Jorrit Godeke [mailto:jogobass@hetnet.nl]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 4:03 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Polyrythmic King?
YOHO, here's mister Hanky
IMHO, I think there's only one true polyrythmic king of drums:
the drummer of Meshuggah. (Shit, can't remember his name)
Later,
--Jorrit%
NP: DT-Y2K demo (M2 is nothing compaired to M3 ;-)
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PS. Sorry if the above offends anyone, I just HAD to post it once.
Won't happen again, bye.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:29:25 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Why drum machines kick ass.
Message-ID: <385A9D25.C9FAE4DA@wezl.org>
I think Korg needs to take a little time away from Q3 and move on to a REAL game
like Unreal Tournament...Hell Yeah!!!!!
Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> All they needed to do was take a standard MIDI interfacable drum
> machine and/or synthesizer and cross it with the new Quake III Monster AI
> and suddenly they can make programmed music "feel" better than anything a
> human could ever do. Soon, musicians will be a thing of the past. They
> will use 3D technology to create the perfect performers. These performers
> will utilize Quake III's advanced AI such that even their holographic
> projections will be completely interactive with the audiences while on tour.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:35:24 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT without MP
Message-ID: <385A9E8C.B8138B40@wezl.org>
I'd start looking for a new woman!!!
"Vandenabeele, Hein" wrote:
> NP. Shadow Gallery - Tyranny. My girlfriend says it sounds like Europe. She
> will be punished appropriately.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:21:58 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: the (minor) problem with jordan
Message-ID: <19991217212158.72214.qmail@hotmail.com>
Last Jam, Jon Wrote:
Do you notice how he starts off on every one of his solos just great;
thoughtful and leading toward the middle of the phrase. However, by the end
of the phrase, he degrades into a mush of 128th notes, usually descending???
He never concludes an idea, opting instead to end every phrase with a
display of his considerable technique. While impressive, it doesn't make
sense musically.
I completely agree with you there, Jon. In fact, after listening to SFAM
several, several times, I must say that I don't actually recall any
particular keyboard solo, other than the player piano and synth horn parts.
They're just meaningless barrages of notes. And the one solo in which I
really really like the notes he's playing, he uses a painfully cheesy patch
(yep, synth horn.....).
As for lyrics, I'd have to say that SDV is my fave. "And I'll smile and
I'll learn to pretend" is such a simple statement, but is says SOOO much,
IMO. WFS->LTL (does ANYBODY listen to these as separate songs?!?!) is a
close second. The last line (By nature's.......) just KILLS me. JLMB is
cool because they bash Kurt Cobain and EmptyV, but that song, to me, sounds
really.........."thrown together", both musically and lyrically. I've never
been a big fan of that one (and I'm NOT an FII basher!). I just thought of
something: If FII was supposed to be so 'commercial', why would they bash
Kurt Cobain & MTV? That's sure not how you sell records.................
-Banjoman
np: OiaL ~ CiaW
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:42:01 -0700 (MST)
From: Greg Kristianson <gkristia@UCALGARY.CA>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9912171428280.38904-100000@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca>
Diego my amigo:
Get off the crack-cocaine, my friend. Bozzio is a superb drummer with an
incredibly insightful approach to the drums as an instrument. He's more
into the solo drum exploration than the band vibe. Dave Weckl-he's a
fucking machine; awesome. For some reason he can't get out of the Jazz
Lite thing. Mike Portnoy-has the chops of both aforementioned masters of
the kit, and shares a common vision with the other members of DT which is
why he works so well with the others. He plays such an integral role in
the DT camp that I simply cannot see the band viably existing without him,
kinda like the whole PF-Roger Waters connection. The chemistry and common
vision between members of a band is what allows a band to thrive and
remain craeative; it is when the shared vision is lost that the chemistry
is also lost and it's time for a change (D.S.'s "departure" from DT).
Feeling and soul alone do not make a good band or musician. Besides, MP
plays with more feeling than 98% of drummers in rock, so what exactly is
your bitch with him in the first place?
Grp
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:10:48 -0500
From: "DarkHarmony" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DT without MP
Message-ID: <005701bf48e3$f586ee20$de35fea9@guest3382>
----- Original Message -----
]From: Vandenabeele, Hein <Hein.Vandenabeele@um.be>
> together with JP. I believe we could have DT without JLB or JM or JR.
But
Been there, done that. We've all heard DT without JLB and JR before, and
IMO, this is the best arrangement of people in DT yet.
Although, if we wait long enough, JM may be ousted for Tony Levin....
Regards,
Josh Calkin:
URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony
E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu
ICQ: 22473371, AOL IM: Mortua, IRC: Mortua
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 00:51:54 +0100
From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
Message-ID: <LOBBJMCAFBFJBCBENPFDCEJMCAAA.finn2@get2net.dk>
Diego Errazuriz <jerrazur@reuna.cl> wrote:
>Do you really consider him a drum player that puts "feeling" and "sould" in
>his playing? (like Terry Bozzio, or Dave Weckl)
>
>Don=B4t you think that he is too "yankee" in all his stuff for the band
and=
> all?
>I believe that Dream Theater with someone else att drums, maybe Vinnie
>Colaiuta, Gregg Bisonnette, or Terry Bozzio, would be MUCH better, and
>musical...
>
>dont you?
well...no. I think that MP's playing is, like the cornerstone in all of DT's
music...well, I guess that's just difference of oppinions for ya. BTW I
don't know Vinnie or Gregg but Terry Bozzio is no match what-so-ever to MP
IMO.
no hard feelings.
Simon Krogh
NP: Mullmuzzler
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:29:30 -0000
From: "Charlie_Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Info on finding out about European prog tours?
Message-ID: <007701bf48ee$f53e9980$3689bc3e@farrell>
Dave,
hate to tell you that the UK is a prog-metal wilderness - but you'll
find out soon enough :-) Barry Mannilow is on tour in January
- better move quick! :-)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:39:09 PST
]From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Info on finding out about European prog tours?
>I'm planning on being in London for a month in January and would
>LOVE to see as many prog-metal bands mentioned on the Jam as
>I can while I'm in Europe. Is there any place on the internet (or
>in a magazine) that would list that sort of information? Is there
>something to effect of a "tours.com" for bands on tour?
I'll mail you privately with details of record stores, though if you
are used to US prices, you're gonna hate paying US$20+ for
CDs in the UK.
As for gigs - we have lots of them, unfortunately most of them are
either Boy bands (kiddie music), Indie, Death metal, or Korn-like
neo-metal. Prog is not really in demand and gigs are few and far
between, though, in all seriousness 1999 hasn't been a bad year
and in the prog and prog-metal fields I've seen Threshold,
Landmarq, Spocks Beard, Arena, Saga (yuk), Pendragon, Grey
Lady Down, Porcupine Tree and Anathema (stretching the
definition a little there, maybe).
For Dream Theater, Angra, Strato, Vanden Plas, Pain (in the arse)
of Salvation, Lemur Voice, Superior etc, I have to get a train or
plane across the channel and visit Holland, Belgium or France,
which is what I'd suggest you do also, 'cept January is a bit of a
lean time for tours, with everyone staying at home to recover from
the cost of Christmas.
Anyway, here's a few places to start looking
UK:
http://www.tickets-online.co.uk/
http://www.aloud.com/
- both with on-line ticket purchase facilities (I think)
also
http://www.beat.co.uk/gigs/
and try
http://www.rocknetwork.com/
for general info - get a feel for what the UK 'scene' is all about.
Holland and Belgium:
the Dutch Progressive Rock Page - NL gigs
http://www.dprp.vuurwerk.nl/nlgigs/index.html
For on-line purchase of tickets - use the Dutch PPT website
and follow the instructions for foreigners
http://www.postkantoor.nl/
Belgium:
http://olwr.belgacom.be/fr/
- has on-line ticket ordering
France
http://www.rockinfo.fr/
reasonably comprehensive, but light on facilities for
buying tickets.
http://www.fnac.com/
record store chain with on-line ticket sales - again
not for all concerts.
Germany
http://www.euro-ticket.de:8080/
Handy for those Bush, Cher and Sting tickets, but
never seems to list any real rock gigs
http://www.vorverkauf.com/
Another fairly useless German site.
http://www.ticketworld.de/
and another one
Italy
http://www.rockanddogs.com/
The only site I've found - they don't seem to have many gigs in Italy.
Sweden:
http://www.torget.se/biljett_direkt/
Prog gigs in Spain
http://usuarios.iponet.es/cfalp/CONC/concprog.htm
Europe-wide
http://www.live-music.com/
this site is good for some countries, but lacks
info and ticket-buying sites for many countries.
Good venues with lots of prog and metal acts
http://users.skynet.be/sky80229/66/ - Route 66, Verviers, Belgium
http://www.planetmusicbiebob.com/ - Biebob, Vosselaar, Belgium
>Any help would be appreciated. I hope to hang out in Germany
>one weekend too, to check out their music scene.
Sounds a safer bet :-)
Vanden Plas start touring at the end of January. I will be seeing some
of the dates on the tour - I just haven't worked out which ones yet.
Also Crimson Glory are supposed to be touring in January/Feb but
I heard rumours that this was dependant upon sales of their new
album - which certainly haven't been as good as expected. Neither
band will be bothering to visit the UK (unless I suddenly find the
money to promote vanden Plas myself), so a cross-channel trip
would be necessary to catch either of these. Yes start touring in
early Feb.
Anyway - check out those websites and mail me if you have any
questions
Charlie
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