YTSEJAM Digest 5236
Today's Topics:
1) Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
by Diego Errazuriz <jerrazur@reuna.cl>
2) Re: In Defense of Voices
by Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
3) James voice/My friends thoughts on SFAM and DT in general
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
4) RE: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
by David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
5) eMtV
by "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
6) Re: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
7) Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) MP3:s of Jericho, Derringer + DT's Lost Without You
by "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se>
9) The (minor) problem with Jordan
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu>
10) Spock's & MI
by "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se>
11) Re: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy!
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Why drum machines kick ass.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) Re: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy!
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Re: X-Mas Cd 99
by MTeiper@aol.com
15) X-mas CD '99
by Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
16) Awake, re: Derek's Lead Sound among other synthy topics
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
17) Re: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy!
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
18) Re: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy!
by "DarkHarmony" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
19) MP-VIDEO IN FINLAND???
by "Nissinen Tommi"
20) Re: Portnoy video-the new one
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
21) Re: Lyrical Sophistication
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@mindspring.com>
22) Re: Helsinki tickets
by "Tanja Sorsa" <keskus@fng.fi>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:52:06 -0400
From: Diego Errazuriz <jerrazur@reuna.cl>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991216175206.007bb990@reuna.cl>
Hi YtseJammers:
This is my first post in the mailing list, and I want to ask all of you for
a sincere opinion on Mike Portnoy=B4s playing, and his attitude towards the
band and all:
Do you really consider him a drum player that puts "feeling" and "sould" in
his playing? (like Terry Bozzio, or Dave Weckl)
Don=B4t you think that he is too "yankee" in all his stuff for the band and=
all?
I believe that Dream Theater with someone else att drums, maybe Vinnie
Colaiuta, Gregg Bisonnette, or Terry Bozzio, would be MUCH better, and
musical...
dont you?
well thats it, IMHO...
bye guys, and check out my new web-site, @ http://www.progressivewww.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:59:24 -0500
From: Giannotti Nick Contr ESC/JS <Nick.Giannotti@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Cc: "'tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk'" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: In Defense of Voices
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC01467049@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
>From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: In defence of "Voices"
>
>Why are so many of you bashing this track? Pretensions... I do not think
so
>may be you have been listening to too much Tool or what ever. Having
lived
>with manic depression and lost a friend to it I can say, with certainty,
>that the song is very insightful. This is true of both the lyrical and
>musical content. Please go read up on this illness and then have another
>listen you may change your mind.
Speaking only for myself, I've had friends who've suffered from manic
depression, and while I didn't lose any (thank God; you have my
condolences), one came dangerously close. But I don't view the song from
that perspective, perhaps because I myself didn't suffer from MD. I simply
view it as a song, not as a testimonial to my/my friends lives. As a song
that doesn't affect me as personally as it does you/others, I don't see it
as being the pinnacle of what Dream Theater is all about. My money, for the
record, goes to "Lines in the Sand", where the last line ("Sometimes, a view
from sinless eyes...") brings me to the verge of tears.
This is, of course, all personal opinion, and while I don't agree with
yours, and - due to my own life experiences - can't even pretend to relate
to where you're coming from, I respect it 100%. It's just that I don't dig
the tune, d00d. The music just... bores me, when it all boils down to it.
It's not that it's not good, it's just not my cup of tea. Though maybe it's
time for me to go listen and re-evaluate with a different reference point in
my head and see what I think of it then. :)
Nicholas Giannotti
Joint STARS Joint Program Office / ESC/JSK
System Resources Corporation (Support Contractor)
email: giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
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the bear. Just worry about out-running your friend.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:03:28 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: James voice/My friends thoughts on SFAM and DT in general
Message-ID: <19991216.150334.11990.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Is it just me, or is James' voice getting better/easier to listen to? I
was listening to SFAM then Mullmuzzler, and his voice has improved since
Awake/IAW. Even during the slower songs. True he can't belt out those
high yelps anymore like on Live in Tokyo, but I really think that was
annoying.
this brings me to my next point. I rececntly talked my metal head friend
Paul into buying SFAM, and he likes it except he said about half the
album he feels like he is lisetening to an easy listening station. that
made me notice there is a good bit of slower stuff on the CD. He always
complained about the keyboard sounds and James' voice before (and loved
the heavy guitar) and now he likes the keys and James but there isn't
enough heaviness to it he says. Oh well, can't please everyone. At least
he bought and DT got the sale :)
Kurt
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the end of each post as much as the reading the jam itself. Keep up the
funniness!
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:23:45 -0700
From: David Dixon <davidd@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E617521179E9@MESSAGING>
> Do you really consider him a drum player that puts "feeling" and "soul" in
> his playing? (like Terry Bozzio, or Dave Weckl) <edited for spelling> :)
IMHO, you couldn't have picked two poorer examples... :)
Bozzio, though obviously solid technically, has never really done it for me
as a consummate drummer. I don't feel anything as deeply when I listen to
him as I do drummers like Carter Beauford, Dennis Chambers, Bill Bruford, or
even Danny Carey.
Portnoy's feel is driving, powerful, and energetic, which is exactly what DT
needs.
> I believe that Dream Theater with someone else att drums, maybe Vinnie
> Colaiuta, Gregg Bisonnette, or Terry Bozzio, would be MUCH better, and
> musical...
But see, Dream Theater wouldn't BE Dream Theater if you had Bozzio at the
helm rather than Portnoy. It would be HIS band (he couldn't stand to be in
the background for two seconds - just like Mike), and for the love of God,
does anybody REALLY think anybody fits DT better than Mike?? :)
Personally, I think the only two drummers that could even come CLOSE to
replacing Portnoy are Mike Mangini (whom I saw Tuesday night - and who IS
the Lord) and Rod Morgenstein (we all know what he can do and how musically
he can do it). Most other drummers I think are just too damn pretentious
and full of themselves (Bozzio) to really, from the heart, play for the
music like Portnoy does (yes, he may lack "finesse" at times, but he still
plays what is appropriate, with feeling). I was never really impressed with
Bissonette, and Colaiuta, though he is a fantastic drummer, just wouldn't
fit. Besides, Portnoy is a solid writer and is really the heart of the
band. But, if you look at it from a merely functional standpoint, Mangini
is my choice. He has the unique ability to really add (in a very musical
way) to anybody he plays with (and besides, he's the polyrhythmic king of
the universe). Morgenstein is just tasty. 'Nuff said.
Yes, I do wish Portnoy would mix things up a bit more, but his style suits
DT. And would you really want to see "Dream Theater featuring Terry
Bozzio"? :)
BTW - Welcome to the JAM! ;)
David Dixon, MCP
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:03:10 -0000
From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: eMtV
Message-ID: <003c01bf4811$857144a0$3f31883e@default>
Just a note to all an this list. The phrase "Empty TV" was originated
shortly after the birth of MTV. this was not a commentary of it's content
but a criticism of the number of the videos it had at it's disposal to play.
Does any noe know who originated the spelling used in JLmB?
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Tristam Douglas
tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:25:51 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy: "Feeling?"
Message-ID: <385966EF.956E9468@wezl.org>
Umm...What about Mark Zonder??? I think Mark is the only drummer...besides Neil
Peart...who could even begin to keep up with Mike's badass chops...not like I
enjoy the idead of DT without Mike...I mean hell...Mike IS DT...along with the
two Johns
David Dixon wrote:
> Personally, I think the only two drummers that could even come CLOSE to
> replacing Portnoy are Mike Mangini (whom I saw Tuesday night - and who IS
> the Lord) and Rod Morgenstein (we all know what he can do and how musically
> he can do it).
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:00:00 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy!
Message-ID: <001001bf4819$4bde37e0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>Umm...What about Mark Zonder??? I think Mark is the only drummer...besides
I was thinking Puff Daddy's drum machine would probably be best. I mean,
anybody could program that thing to play better than Mike. I mean shit.
You can basically have a drummer with 5 hands, 6 feet, 3 penises, etc. if
you wanted. Who gives a sheet about feeling? It's all about the testes.
Perhaps Mr. Nicky Lemons would make a better drummer as well. hehehe.
Basically, this sounds alot to me like the rise and fall of Mr. Sherinian.
hehehe. Pretty soon there's going to be rumours floating around about Mike
being gay, and he's going to get this big rock and roll atmosphere about
him, start wearing Gary Cherone's clothes, and the fans are gonna boot him
out. I mean, shit, he already cut his hair! It's a long dark road ahead of
you, Mike. The fans are now against you. :(
-- KorgX3 is constipated and doesn't give a crap. NP: What Dreams May Come.mp3------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:16:25 +0100 From: "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: MP3:s of Jericho, Derringer + DT's Lost Without You Message-ID: <000801bf481b$931c8560$0d01a8c0@slitz.se>
Dear everyone,
I'm pleased to see that DT are playing Solnahallen, which is a quite la= rge sports hall (3000 capacity I would guess) when they get to Stockholm, S= weden in March. That place has crap acoustics but it gets enormously hot in t= here, which sometimes makes for high spirits and a good time. And it'll be ni= ce to see Spock's Beard again, I caught them at the Whisky in LA when I visit= ed for the E3 trade show, last May.
Anyhow... My spoof-spunk-death-metal cover band took a half-assed stab = at =46ire (Arthur Brown's, which ppl have talked about here) last Friday, = at a club here in Stockholm. Which leads me onto an important question:
We also play a track called ETHIOPIA by the band JERICHO. I have copies= of their two first (only?) very rare and very very good albums. 1) Does an= yone know of a online CD store that carries them? 2) Do you know anything ab= out their history? What I've heard is that they were from Israel, and all o= f them but one got KIA in one of Israel's wars/conflicts with their neighbouring countries. The final one, the bass layer, died from a heroin OD some ye= ars later. Very tragic. Very heavy and dynamic records, recorded in 71-72 I think. The 11 minute Kill Me With Your Love are one of the lost classic= s in rock'n'roll history!
I've uploaded Ethiopia, together with the great Derringer-track Beyond = The Universe (also a cover we use to do!) on my radio show, PROG-O-RAMA's w= ww page: http://progorama.web.com together with the best version of DT's (Petruccis rather) Lost Without You. So check it out!
---
Also saw Meshuggah last week - great gig, the sound was a little muddy = but the playing still crisp. I wonder, what did you americans think of them= when they toured with Slayer? Rolling Stone Mag featured them as one of the = 10 best metal bands etc, did they get any more exposure?
And to clarify: Someone asked about the Fredrik Thordendahl solo album'= s vocals - his sister is credited with "gallskrik", which means exactly w= hat it sounds like: screaming at the very very top of your lungs.
/Mats
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:47:00 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@indiana.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The (minor) problem with Jordan Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991216184700.007eae40@imap.indiana.edu>
Today I finally figured out what has been bugging me about Jordan's playing on SFAM.
Do you notice how he starts off on every one of his solos just great; thoughtful and leading toward the middle of the phrase. However, by the end of the phrase, he degrades into a mush of 128th notes, usually descending??? He never concludes an idea, opting instead to end every phrase with a display of his considerable technique. While impressive, it doesn't make sense musically.
Compare this to JP, where every solo seems to be thought out, and every note planned, from the beginning of the phrase to the end.
I'm SO happy to have finally figured this out. Now I know what rubs me the wrong way about this album. Anyone else feel the same way?
Jon
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:40:12 +0100 From: "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Spock's & MI Message-ID: <003401bf481e$e5d7b100$0d01a8c0@slitz.se>
Yep,
Spock's should be confirmed for Europe, right? There are posters all ov= er town for the gig, with their name on it and the hp of EMA www.ema.se sa= ys so.
BTW, did anyone here go to MI (NO F**KIN' GUARANTEE!!!!!!!!) in LA? Wha= t I was looking for was some hints on how to get somewhere to stay for the duration. How mu= ch do you normally pay for a simple studio apt out there, which areas should = you look for etc etc? Anyone feel like sharing their experiences? I was thi= nkin about taking a 10 week break and go there. Approx how much are the fees= per semester? How's Berklee compared to MI overall?
And don't tell me not to... I know MI is going to make me a big rock s= tar (tm) overnight, NOT! But my life sucks quite nice as it is right now so= I thought I might as well move to Hollywood, get strung out on drugs, be totally pathetic and die in my own puke outside the Rainbow Bar-n-Grill= =2E At least there'd be nicer weather, more junk food and chicks with big plas= tic boobies. ;)
/Mats
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:12:22 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy! Message-ID: <001101bf4823$63d630a0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
I myself, being a musician (not a drummer mind you) have to disagree with you. While drum machines are capable of creating parts that are impossible for humans to play they lack in "soul." No matter how precise a person plays it is physically, due to environment, muscle movement, whatever to be perfectly in time. These small, nearly nonexistant variances in tempo, along with variances in how hard the drums are struck and where they are struck on the head create the "soul." It is hard to notice, unless you listen to alot of midi. Alot can be done with dynamics and accents, but phrasing and anticipation are another matter. This is something that only a real drummer can do. A drum machine can be programed to play anything, but only a real drummer can lock in with the rest of the band and make music. Try grooving with a metronome, and tell us again that real drummers suck.
Korg Ecksthrey Wrote:
> > >Umm...What about Mark Zonder??? I think Mark is the only drummer...besides > > I was thinking Puff Daddy's drum machine would probably be best. I mean, > anybody could program that thing to play better than Mike. I mean shit. > You can basically have a drummer with 5 hands, 6 feet, 3 penises, etc. if > you wanted. Who gives a sheet about feeling? It's all about the testes. > Perhaps Mr. Nicky Lemons would make a better drummer as well. hehehe. > > Basically, this sounds alot to me like the rise and fall of Mr. Sherinian. > hehehe. Pretty soon there's going to be rumours floating around about Mike > being gay, and he's going to get this big rock and roll atmosphere about > him, start wearing Gary Cherone's clothes, and the fans are gonna boot him > out. I mean, shit, he already cut his hair! It's a long dark road ahead of > you, Mike. The fans are now against you. :( > -- > KorgX3 is constipated and doesn't give a crap. > NP: What Dreams May Come.mp3 >
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:14:30 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Why drum machines kick ass. Message-ID: <001801bf482c$14f00b60$7f0d84d0@safelink.net>
> with you. While drum machines are capable of creating parts that are > impossible for humans to play they lack in "soul." No matter how precise
Completely wrong. YOU'VE obviously never heard about the new trend forming called, "Virtual Musicians" where they are now able to program random music strands into different devices intended to take the place of human musicians. All they needed to do was take a standard MIDI interfacable drum machine and/or synthesizer and cross it with the new Quake III Monster AI and suddenly they can make programmed music "feel" better than anything a human could ever do. Soon, musicians will be a thing of the past. They will use 3D technology to create the perfect performers. These performers will utilize Quake III's advanced AI such that even their holographic projections will be completely interactive with the audiences while on tour.
Supposedly, there are a few bugs to work out. While testing this, one of the test subjects took shrapnel from an RPG fired by Ricky Martin's new holographic replacement. No biggie.
Pretty soon, humans will be ruled by these holographic beings and supposedly everything's going to be peaceful, or else. -- KorgX3 gets ready to suck on a chromium orbital roto-plooker.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy! Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912162016280.9982-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Kenn de Mello wrote:
> I myself, being a musician (not a drummer mind you) have to > disagree with you. While drum machines are capable of creating parts > that are impossible for humans to play they lack in "soul." No matter > how precise a person plays it is physically, due to environment, > muscle movement, whatever to be perfectly in time. These small, > nearly nonexistant variances in tempo, along with variances in how > hard the drums are struck and where they are struck on the head create > the "soul." It is hard to notice, unless you listen to alot of midi. > Alot can be done with dynamics and accents, but phrasing and > anticipation are another matter. This is something that only a real > drummer can do. A drum machine can be programed to play anything, but > only a real drummer can lock in with the rest of the band and make > music. Try grooving with a metronome, and tell us again that real > drummers suck.
Kenn, I know you're new to the jam and all, so I'll give you a warning this time. Don't be stupid. :) It must be notified that anything that Korgie over there says ISN'T serious. So do yourself a favor and don't criticize anything he says, because, well, he does it to make people laugh and to get a rise out of people, NOT so he can get on his soapbox. When he wants you to take him seriously, he'll let you know.
And to anybody who wants to flame me for yelling at Kenn, don't - he's a good friend of mine, so I'm just giving him this friendly reminder. :)
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:20:16 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: X-Mas Cd 99 Message-ID: <0.15b52346.258ae9d0@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/16/1999 6:47:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Are you serious that the M2 demo is on there or are ya just yankin our chains?! If you're not serious each and every one of us will find you and subject you to countlesss hours of listening to the Backstreet Boys! And that aint a threat, that's a promise! And if it is on there, then all I gotta say is :WOOHOO! >>
Well sir, you'd better start firing up that BSB in the CD Player... and it's time for a road trip to Brazil! (At least I think that's where the dude's from based on his e-mail addy.) I wrote to the dude via private e-mail, and he admitted to me that he was kidding. So consider your chain yanked. Dude really doesn't have the X-Mas CD yet, and I believe Steffen when he says M2 won't be on it. Although the original M2 would certainly be nice to hear on it, I'm holding out for WAYN, RTK, and other goodies like that. :-)
Laterz... Matt T.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:40:45 -0200 From: Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: X-mas CD '99 Message-ID: <3859949C.2A463EDD@conex.com.br>
>>NP: DT - Xmas CD '99 (wow, M2 demo w/derek is better than SFAM!) >>[]s Fernando Rauber >>ICQ: 2281311 >>http://fast.to/frmp
>Are you serious that the M2 demo is on there or are ya just yankin our >chains?! If you're not serious each and every one of us will find you and >subject you to countlesss hours of listening to the Backstreet Boys! And that >aint a threat, that's a promise! And if it is on there, then all I gotta say >is :WOOHOO!
Yes, and also there is also a Backstreet Bays cover in prog-metal version!
NP: Area - Gerontocrazia.mp3 []s Fernando Rauber ICQ: 2281311 http://fast.to/frmp
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Awake, re: Derek's Lead Sound among other synthy topics Message-ID: <19991217023403.16158.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>
Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> wrote:
About Awake > I also think the keys are completely buried in the mix and really uninspired.
An infamous quote about Awake was that it was "written a lot without his (KMs) enthusiasm". That's the kind of thing that sticks in the back of your mind, especially when it comes from another band member. That shaded my view of the keyboard work on Awake for awhile. Obviously there's several songs on Awake that KM was very "into", but it does seem that he added his part on some songs after they were mostly put together already (especially the heavier songs). Many of the songs are very guitar oriented. This is why I used the phrase "icing on the cake". Even a little tweak or addition at the end can change a good song into a great song.
When I listen to Awake, I can't help but think that every note that KM plays is perfect (as well as the rest of band!).
As for being buried in the mix, I agree that some parts are buried, and some are right in your face. Some of those great melodies that KM added to Awake are so buried that you almost have to complete it in your own mind. You may call it subtle. I might mix it a tad less subtle in some places. Of course the mix depends on who's doing the mixing or what instrument you're interested in. It's typical for the guitar player to always want the guitar higher, drummers the drums, bassists the bass, etc... Kind of like taking a group photograph; everyone wants to use the one where they look the best or are in front.
my $.02, BH
OK, I'll stop gushing over Awake now, otherwise some of you may puke all over your Korgs. ;o)
P.S. Of course no one out there HAS to like Awake. It's really all a matter of preference anyway. Personnally, I was never thrilled with the repeating "6:00 on a Christmas Morning" sound bite. Also, the chorus vocals on CiaW and Innocence Faded come a little out of left field (in a Journey kinda way); they just didn't fit in that well for me.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:37:59 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy! Message-ID: <000701bf4837$bbc95bc0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
Sorry Korg, I will try not to take things too seriously :-)
If only the real Ricki Martin had been killed by the virtual one;-)
> > On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Kenn de Mello wrote: > > > I myself, being a musician (not a drummer mind you) have to > > disagree with you. While drum machines are capable of creating parts > > that are impossible for humans to play they lack in "soul." No matter > > how precise a person plays it is physically, due to environment, > > muscle movement, whatever to be perfectly in time. These small, > > nearly nonexistant variances in tempo, along with variances in how > > hard the drums are struck and where they are struck on the head create > > the "soul." It is hard to notice, unless you listen to alot of midi. > > Alot can be done with dynamics and accents, but phrasing and > > anticipation are another matter. This is something that only a real > > drummer can do. A drum machine can be programed to play anything, but > > only a real drummer can lock in with the rest of the band and make > > music. Try grooving with a metronome, and tell us again that real > > drummers suck. > > Kenn, I know you're new to the jam and all, so I'll give you a warning > this time. Don't be stupid. :) It must be notified that anything that > Korgie over there says ISN'T serious. So do yourself a favor and don't > criticize anything he says, because, well, he does it to make people laugh > and to get a rise out of people, NOT so he can get on his soapbox. When > he wants you to take him seriously, he'll let you know. > > And to anybody who wants to flame me for yelling at Kenn, don't - he's a > good friend of mine, so I'm just giving him this friendly reminder. :) > > ------------------------------------------------- > Andrew Coutermarsh > a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu > http://cout.dhs.org/ > Cloak on IRC > ICQ: 2513441 > ------------------------------------------------- > I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend > that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill > it anyway because I already gave away all of his > stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of > humor. > ------------------------------------------------- >
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:41:58 -0500 From: "DarkHarmony" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Down with Portnoy! Down with Portnoy! Message-ID: <002901bf4849$0e762720$c38ffea9@guest3382>
Coutermarsh wrote: > > And to anybody who wants to flame me for yelling at Kenn, don't - he's a > good friend of mine, so I'm just giving him this friendly reminder. :)
So why not just walk across campus and tell him, rather than trying to look like some kind of YtseSavior? It was obvious to everyone he misunderstood Korg's post; why rub his nose in it publicly? Before you tag me a hypocrite, remember: I already went home, and to tell you in person, I'd have to pay money and call you. ;)
And to anybody who wants to flame me for yelling at Ke-- err, Andrew, don't - he's a good friend of mine, so I'm just giving him this friendly reminder. :)
Regards, Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu ICQ: 22473371, AOL IM: Mortua, IRC: Mortua
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Date: 17 Dec 1999 08:01:00 +0300 From: "Nissinen Tommi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: MP-VIDEO IN FINLAND??? Message-ID: <JA8AAAAAAG1d2QABYQADbpMOAcxU@kesko.fi>
Hi Jammers!
Does anybody Finnish jammers know that is Liquid Drum Theater available in anywhere in Finland yet=3F
Please, e-mail me privately if you know something about it!
Thanks, Tommi
e-mail:Tommi.Nissinen@kesko.fi
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:05:07 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Portnoy video-the new one Message-ID: <3859D293.DE228ED8@ivorygate.com>
Matej Grginic wrote: > > >Since I am a non-drummer and currently cannot afford to purchase the video's > >myself, would anybody be willing to tape them for me if I supply the tapes > >and a nominal fee? Just curious. Email privately. > > > >James > You wanna pirate the video, and you post it on this list? Are you out > of your fuckin' mind?! If you can't afford it, you can't afford it, but > don't you try to rip Mike off! I don't think anyone will copy you the > tape anyway.. Yeah, don't be ripping me off damnit! I have to get my $0.00001 per copy royalties from sales of the video... ;-)
Incase you were wondering who that blur (with the long sleeve, black Fates Warning shirt) in the video was walking my the camera backstage at the Roxy, that would be me... ;-)
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<<
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:27:25 -0800 From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Lyrical Sophistication Message-ID: <000b01bf4857$da8706a0$a0c1aec7@default>
Tristam Douglas asked about DT lyrics: "What is generally considered to be the best effort."
I don't know that there's any consensus, but here's my opinion. I think Kevin is/was the best DT lyricist, closely followed by John Petrucci. In particular, my favorite lyrical song is "Only a Matter of Time." The lyrics are brilliant and poetic, and I have to give Charlie a lot of credit for finding a cool way to sing such challenging lyrics over such complex music.
-Neil.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:24:24 EET From: "Tanja Sorsa" <keskus@fng.fi> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Helsinki tickets Message-ID: <46130B04940@fng.fi>
Jarno wrote: just a reminder; tickets are available as of today (December 16th) for the Dream Theater at Ice Hall, Helsinki show on March 24th from Lippupalvelu (www.lippupalvelu.fi). The tickets cost 185FIM. --------------- And just to add to this reminder, please remember that even if the show is in Ice Hall, they will turn it into an amphitheater so there will be much less tickets on sale!
Tanja http://Tenze.tripod.com
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