YTSEJAM Digest 5225
Today's Topics:
1) Egberto Gismonti
by Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
2) Spiral Architect
by Rob T Doyle <clockuniv@juno.com>
3) YTSEJAM digest 5224 empty ??
by Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
4) On Dancing Turtles...
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
5) Re: interview with the vampire
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
6) concept album casualities and Marillion
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
7) Re: Pain of Salvation
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
8) Re: interview with the vampire
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Re: interview with the vampire
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
10) Re: interview with the vampire
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
11) Phish/Met 2000
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
12) Re: interview with the vampire
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Devin Townsend question
by "Alexis/Axel" <alexis1@prtc.net>
14) Sonnier bros./Phish
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
15) Re: Devin Townsend question
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) Megadeth show review
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
17) Tours
by "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com>
18) Gold
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
19) NAMM show in Los Angeles?Angeles
by Natr1stLaw@aol.com
20) Three band gigs suck.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
21) Pain of Salvation
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
22) Re: US Tour info....
by Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com>
23) Pixel Planet Top 90 CDs of the '90's
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
24) ?
by "Adrian K. Tunggono" <pluki7@indosat.net.id>
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:33:15 -0200
From: Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Egberto Gismonti
Message-ID: <384E5E1A.2BACB1ED@conex.com.br>
Cyberduke wrote:
>> NP: Egberto Gismonti - Sol Do Meio Dia
>Christ I can't believe I see this name on the jam! :) Guys, this dude
is
>one hell of a guitarist and musician.
Actually, this is the first album I've ever heard from him. My father
is a
Gismonti fan, and has almost all albuns on LP :). Great stuff.
NP: The Guitar Trio (96)
[]s Fernando Rauber
ICQ: 2281311
http://fast.to/frmp
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:47:05 -0600
From: Rob T Doyle <clockuniv@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Spiral Architect
Message-ID: <19991208.154707.-350281.1.ClockUniv@juno.com>
Has anyone found a place yet to order this record that should be
MIND-BLOWING!!?
I know it comes out in Japan/Europe on Dec. 18th, and I want to find a
place to import it from-
(plus the euro release has a red-tinted cover rather than the blue-tint
for the US release)
anyhow - the import has a cover of a Fates song as well...
just wondering if anybody's been able to find it online yet!
thanks!
-Rob Doyle
Community Educator - University of Missouri
Fine Arts Residential College
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 22:59:28 +0100
From: Daniel Beziz <danjohn@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5224 empty ??
Message-ID: <384ED4C0.74AE4E4D@club-internet.fr>
Why is ytsejam5224 empty ??
is it just me ??
Just checking...
jonathan
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 17:58:17 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersv.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: On Dancing Turtles...
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991208175106.00c16100@cs.millersv.edu>
>First Dancing Turtle=Death
>Second Dancing Turtle=?
Second Dancing Turtle = Michelangelo.
Ninja vanish,
Brian
[NP...Gentle Giant -- s/t]
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:53:48 -0200
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: interview with the vampire
Message-ID: <19991207185348.A671@iname.com>
On Dec 07 1999, Scott Sturdivant wrote:
> Hell, I knew Virgil was good.....but to invent a new sig and still
> make it feel like 4/4 - that's just godly..... Hey Portnoy -
> there'd better be some 13/11 played on the tour or else Virgil's my
> main man from now on! ;-)
It would be actually much cooler if Portnoy played 355/113.
:-)
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: Do the math and be amazed. :-)
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@iname.com - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 04:01:47 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: concept album casualities and Marillion Message-ID: <v04210102b474c5cfca15@[192.168.1.1]>
>By the way, WAY too many people get killed in concept albums I >noticed. Sure it works our cool for the listener but not for those >in the story!
Well, I wish Marillion would have let the main character of their Brave concept album die. It's all about an abused girl which is, in short, totally fucked up and wants to jump from a bridge to end it all. Then, near the end of the album, all of a sudden, she decides, hey, I'm a total wreck, I hate my father, I hate myself, but what the fuck, life is great, isn't it?
C'mon, what's going on here? Let her JUMP, dammit!
Well, it's not that I support committing suicide or something, but it really doesn't fit. Interesting enough that the single version of The Great Escape, that's the song where this girl is standing on the bridge, ends with her jumping. They also used this version of the song in the Brave video. And last but not least, this alternative bad-ending-version also kicks *ass* musically, one of the most intense songs they *ever* made.
Anyway, the twist at the end may be strange, but it's still a great concept album with lots of atmosphere. And their last listenable and interesting album so far (IMHO, shoot me!)
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:21:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <199912090321.AA18470@crl.crl.com>
> there was another album listed called Entropia. Anyone own >this out there?
"I have it," Paul said, skirting around the legalities. :)
It's about as good as ONE HOUR, perhaps a bit better (I just got a copy of Entropia recently). Outstanding band -- they were one of the reasons I flew to Holland for the Progpower Festival gig and they were easily one of the highlights of the day. Both albums are great and both are contending for Top 5 of 1999 slots with me. (They'll be in there, just a question of where. SFAM will be #1, I think. :))
Not sure I posted this before:
My Progpower photos and reviews: www.crl.com/~vanyel/images/progpowr/
:)
-- + Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ #4151223+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Storm Constantine * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Mutha's Day Out * Raymond Feist....|
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:08:29 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: interview with the vampire Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912082307390.7979-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> It would be actually much cooler if Portnoy played 355/113. > :-) > > P.S.: Do the math and be amazed. :-)
As much as I thought that it was funny that you put PI as a time sig, for the last time, TIME SIGS are NOT fractions! It's not about the math.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 22:20:44 -0600 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: interview with the vampire Message-ID: <B4748A3C.181E%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
> From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> > > On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Rogerio Brito wrote: > >> It would be actually much cooler if Portnoy played 355/113. >> :-) >> >> P.S.: Do the math and be amazed. :-) > > As much as I thought that it was funny that you put PI as a time sig, for > the last time, TIME SIGS are NOT fractions! It's not about the math.
Yeah, they're not fractions, and anyway, they should always have a multiple of twelve on the bottom, since it's all about twelfth notes.
;)
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 02:31:58 -0200 From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@iname.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: interview with the vampire Message-ID: <19991209023158.A12525@iname.com>
On Dec 08 1999, Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Rogerio Brito wrote: > > > It would be actually much cooler if Portnoy played 355/113. > > :-) > > > > P.S.: Do the math and be amazed. :-) > > As much as I thought that it was funny that you put PI as a time > sig, for the last time, TIME SIGS are NOT fractions! It's not about > the math.
Uh, oh, perhaps you didn't notice the humor. :-)
BTW, pi is not a rational number, in the same fashion that time signatures are not fractions, but smell like fractions. :-)
BTW #2 and FYI, pi is very far from bein a rational number. It's a transcendental number. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@iname.com - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 21:13:19 PST From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Phish/Met 2000 Message-ID: <19991209051319.63934.qmail@hotmail.com>
Darn Right, Phish is prog!! You listen to "It's Ice" or "You Enjoy Myself" and then tell me they're a Greatful Dead ripoff! I won't go to their shows anymore though. The vibes there just suck. All preppy rich kids who don't care about the music as long as they can get high and feel cool. Ug. It's okay though, there's a million other jambands out there...
And on that note (an 11th note?!?) Adam~~~>I talked to Rod Morgenstein the other day at a Jazz is Dead show (holy wow!!! 2/5 of the dixie dregs, + Jimmy Herring + Alphonso Johnson playing Greatful Dead tunes! Go see these guys!!!!) He confirmed that Spock's Beard WILL NOT be the third act on the Met 2000 tour. And Jimmy Herring says the Aquarium Rescue Unit will once again be touring in April! YAY!!! I'm gonna have to follow 'em, I think maybe......
-Banjoman np: Dixie Dregs: King Biscuit Flower Hour
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:23:30 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: interview with the vampire Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912090022420.15929-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> Uh, oh, perhaps you didn't notice the humor. :-) > > BTW, pi is not a rational number, in the same fashion that > time signatures are not fractions, but smell like fractions. > :-) > > BTW #2 and FYI, pi is very far from bein a rational number. > It's a transcendental number. :-)
Sorry, it's just that there are so many people on the list already that don't know what the hell a time sig REALLY means that I didn't think you were joking.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- If it's raining, a cute thing to tell a child is "God is crying." If they ask why, another cute thing to say is, "Probably something you did." -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:26:36 -0400 From: "Alexis/Axel" <alexis1@prtc.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Devin Townsend question Message-ID: <000b01bf4205$fdd7a0e0$0101a8c0@JonDoe.prtc.net>
Hello. I have a Devin question. I have Ocean Machine: Biomech and I love it. How does Infinity compare to this cd? Thanks in advance for the info.
Alexis
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:57:58 -0600 From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Sonnier bros./Phish Message-ID: <19991209.001820.2014.0.schnapster@juno.com>
Good to hear Dane Sonnier is still doing some stuff. I really dig his playing oin the first two GC albums (although I do like Wally Farkas, too). I'd really dig hearing these guys play some good blues rock stuff. As far as Phish goes (someone asked about that last jam, I believe), I really dig Phish a lot. I don't hesitate to separate myself from their stereotypical fanbase, though (I'm not a hippie by any stretch). I've seen them once,a nd it was pretty amazing. Has anyone heard anything off the new box set (Hampton Comes Alive)? Interesting DT moment today. I was working (at Shakespeare's Piza i Columbia, MO, for anyone who may or may not be familiar with the area). My roomamte and a friend of his came in. As soon as his friend saw my DT (touring into infinity) shirt she said "Man, if I ever leave my husband, you can be his new roommate. He thinks those guys are the shit." :)
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:05:06 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Devin Townsend question Message-ID: <001a01bf4213$c8af3280$520d84d0@safelink.net>
> Hello. I have a Devin question. I have Ocean Machine: Biomech and I love > it. How does Infinity compare to this cd? Thanks in advance for the
Get it. :) Infinity is a very good album. It's just really mixed and diverse. Possibly one of the most insane albums I've ever bought, but brilliant nonetheless. Devin uses some really, really, really odd stuff on it, though. Just go into it with an open mind from the start and you'll probably love this album, too. :) Infinity and Ocean Machine are very much alike in a musical sense, but the moods are very different. Whereas Ocean Machine has sort of a melancholy feel to it, Infinity's comes across (to me) more spiritual and uplifting, even if the lyrics always aren't. :) Kind of like the book of Job... Anyway... -- JobX3 picks at one of his gazillion scabs, hoping to offend someone.
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 01:18:36 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Megadeth show review Message-ID: <19991209.012054.11678.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Just goy back from Megadeth:here are my thoughts: opener -Doubledrive-seen them once love the CD but this time I knew everything and got into these guys hardcore. I have never sweated so much so fast in 35 minutes. I think for new hard rock bands these guys are the cream of the crop. Absolutely blows Creed, Godsmack all those bands away. Blew Megadeth clean off the stage.
Marty's solo was good as always, but the band shows no energy. Being that the tour is in support of Risk, they only played 3 songs from it-Prince of Darkness, Crush em, Breadline Thank god. They played 4 or 5 songs from Cryptic Writings. I felt like I was in a time machine about 2 yrs before. Hangar 18 was cool to hear live, but they just didn't rock the way they used to. I couldn't get into them at all.
Moral of story: go check out Doubledrive.
oh yeah, the chiick next to me kept rubbing her breasts on my arm, that was pretty cool.
Kurt NP-Ringing in ears from Doubledrive
"and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going"-Doubledrive New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out In Stores NOW! "I don't know how the guys in Slayer are going to live past 40"-Paul Blocker See Queensryche on Tour this fall! www.queensryche.com for latest dates!
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:45:49 +0100 From: "Gallop, Neil" <Neil.Gallop@softwareag.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Tours Message-ID: <C23163F98473D311874C0008C7E62107E788F4@daemsg02.software-ag.de>
Hi all
am I the only person here who isn't getting their knickers in a twist because Dream Theater will be taking the Dixie Dregs on tour with them? Just more time to be spent in the bar. The interesting question for me is more who will the mysterious 3rd band be. After Spock's Beard have said it won't be them, my personal number one choice would be Mastermind. Anybody else?
There will also be an excellent tour coming through Europe in February next year - Opeth, The Gathering and My Dying Bride! Promises to be a good evening.
Keep the top ten poll lists coming in - a couple of my own personal favourites are doing well so far.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com) Currently playing: 7Zuma7 - Deep Inside
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Gold Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.10.9912090937560.22609-100000@gs.bass.org>
Zeusz gets four stars. It's from Prince's Gold Experience. I would've (not "would of," damn homonyms) responded earlier, but, oh well.
paul, always checking who's (not whose) paying attention NP Pain of Salvation: OHBTCL [found at a local record store, surprise] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Open fire on Hollywood/ Open fire on MTV
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:20:58 EST From: Natr1stLaw@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: NAMM show in Los Angeles?Angeles Message-ID: <0.9d28064e.258122da@aol.com>
Anyone know the dates or website for the upcoming NAMM show in Los Angeles?
Stephen
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:08:27 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Three band gigs suck. Message-ID: <001c01bf425f$c062f3e0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>(not "would of," damn homonyms)
Hey! That's my line! Tryin' to steal (not steel, damn homonyms!) my thunder, eh? :)
>am I the only person here who isn't getting their >knickers in a twist because Dream Theater will be >taking the Dixie Dregs on tour with them?
No, you're not. You know, I really don't mind the idea of a band touring with another band and all that. I mean, sometimes it's a bonus to see two bands you like performing together (like when TON was with QR), and I think that DT is trying to capitalize on that. Both crowds are likely mutually distinctive if you know what I mean. I think most fans of one group will like the other. I've never even heard the Dregs, so I'm not sure what they're like, but I bet I'll like 'em from what I've heard. I'll mostly go just to see DT, so I'm hoping DT isn't treated as an opener only getting maybe a whole hour to perform SFAM in its entirety and then bow out. :P And with the added third band, that's even worse considering they'll be eating into DT's time even more.
I generally go to a concert to see >one< band. A second band is usually nothing better than a distraction, and a third band is even more often a trip to the concession stands/bathroom/whatever. :P -- KorgX3 takes his bitching and moaning elsewhere. NP: John Tesh - Forever More.mp3
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Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:10:38 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <384FE28E.99239A93@home.com>
Steve said: > I just heard a few clips of Pain of Salvation, One Hour by the Concrete Lake > on CDnow.......I promptly ordered it after that!!! There was another cd called > Entropia by them.....but it didn't have any clips.....anybody own it out there?
I have both discs, and really love them both. One Hour... is a little more polished, and more mature sounding. I'd say Entropia is rawer, a bit more chaotic at times, and also just a bit heavier.
- Joe D.
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:39:09 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey <willeyatc@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: US Tour info.... Message-ID: <19991209.110518.282.0.willeyatc@juno.com>
> It is known that it will start west of the Mississippi and will be in > Los > Angeles for the NAMM Show. > So all you on the West Coast get the first taste in the US. Damnit,
Hell Yeah!!! If they come to Seattle or Portland or any where close to eastern WA, I am there.... When the tour dates are released if anyone wants to carpool or something to a show let me know!!! I am in Pullman, WA.
ytseJon
Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:19:39 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pixel Planet Top 90 CDs of the '90's Message-ID: <005901bf427a$57381600$046400c0@oemcomputer>
I thought some of you might be interested in this article. I've put together a list of what I think are the best 90 CDs of the 1990's, with extended commentary. Check it out and let me know what you think, good or bad. Thanks.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:13:50 +0700 From: "Adrian K. Tunggono" <pluki7@indosat.net.id> To: ~status seekers <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: ? Message-ID: <385142DE.874D627C@indosat.net.id>
Isn't it funny that only A MONTH after SFAM is released, we're back into FII flame wars again? Wasn't FII released TWO YEARS ago? Is SFAM not THAT interesting to argue about? ;-)
-- pluki 8498006
"You can fight without ever winning But never ever win without a fight"
-N. Peart
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